Quote from: Lars-J on 01/17/2025 05:18 pmSome ATC recordings from pilots observing the event:The pilots and controllers are used to moving a mile about every 6 seconds. Their decision loops depend on this relatively slow movement rate.The debris moves over 30 miles in those 6 seconds.The response is too late, and the delays to getting things back into that airspace were unnecessary. By the time controllers "talked to their supervisors", the debris was already 100s of miles downrange, if not thousands. By the time they opened the airspace back up, the debris over a thousand miles downrange in the ocean already, and had probably sunk already.The NOTAMs are either sufficiently wide and long, or they are not. The slow reaction times from slow decision loops make divert efforts for airplanes a waste of time and resources.Quoteexpected delay of 99 minutesGood grief, there's no debris in the area in the air after 5 minutes.
Some ATC recordings from pilots observing the event:
expected delay of 99 minutes
This STA uses information from previous grant 0163-EX-ST-2025. This STA is necessary to authorize Starship Test Flight 9 vehicle communications launching from Starbase TX. Application includes a sub-orbital first stage booster and a second stage. Operation Start Date: 03/14/2025Operation End Date: 06/30/2025
Licensing for Launch 8 (+)?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=62496.msg2667540#msg2667540It's interesting to note that this authorization from the "Manager, Safety Authorization Division" has over three times as many words about environmental regulation than human safety. Interesting set of priorities from the FAA.
This STA uses information from previous grant 0184-EX-ST-2025 and is necessary to authorize an additional power level for uplink frequencies 2090 MHz and 2062 MHz for the 1st stage booster on Starship Test Flight 9 launching from Starbase TX. This STA is necessary for Starship Super Heavy vehicle communications at SpaceX facilities located in Boca Chica TXOperation Start Date: 04/07/2025Operation End Date: 10/07/2025
SAT-LOA-20241218-00288Date Filed: 12/18/2024Space Exploration Holdings, LLC, requests authority to construct, deploy, and operate a system of space stations on Starship spacecraft and its variants including a standard ship, tanker, propellant depot, and Human Landing System (HLS). SpaceX requests authority to operate Starship spacecraft and its variants in low-Earth orbit, medium-Earth orbit, high-Earth orbit, and trans-lunar, and lunar orbit. SpaceX proposes to operate in the 410-420 MHz (space-to-space), 2025-2100 MHz (Earth-to-space), 2200-2290 MHz (space-to-Earth), 10.7-12.7 GHz (space-to-space), 14.0-14.5 GHz (space-to-space), 25.5-27.0 GHz (Earth-to-space), and 22.55-23.15 GHz (space-to-Earth) bands.Additionally, SpaceX requests to operate in the 5.735-5.875 GHz band for communications between spacecraft and crew and between crew and the 35.5-36.0 GHz band for lunar landing radar. SpaceX requests waiver of sections 25.114(c), 25.114(d), 25.156, 25.157, and section 2.106 of the Commission’s rules.
This STA uses information from the Boca Chica and Brownsville TX ground testing grant 2252-EX-ST-2024. This STA is necessary to authorize 2056 MHz and 2062 MHz at low power (3W) for on-ground testing only of Starship Super Heavy vehicle communications to include Test Flight 9 day of launch starting at T-14 hours through T+10 minutes at the SpaceX test facility located in Boca Chica and Brownsville TX.Operation Start Date: 05/18/2025Operation End Date: 06/18/2025
FCC may be able to provide a quick path in the short term considering the FT 9 launch window opens on 5/19, rather than to mod 2252-EX-ST-2024 at this time.
This STA uses information from previous grant 0327-EX-ST-2025 and includes uplink frequencies 2056 MHz and 2062 MHz at low power. This STA is necessary to authorize Starship Test Flight 10 vehicle communications launching from Starbase TX. Application includes a sub-orbital first stage booster and a second stage. Trajectory data will be provided directly to NTIA, USAF, and NASA. Launch licensing authority is FAA Office of Commercial Space Transportation.Operation Start Date: 06/01/2025Operation End Date: 12/01/2025
MIRAD: 806 KM (500.93 miles)East trajectory over waterMaximum flight altitude: 0-380160',AGL0-72 miles AGLDates: 2025-06-28 thru 2025-12-28
This STA uses information from previous grant 0493-EX-ST-2025 and is necessary to authorize an additional power level for uplink frequencies 2056 MHz and 2062 MHz for the booster and ship on Starship Test Flight 10 launching from Starbase TX. This STA is necessary for Starship Super Heavy vehicle communications at SpaceX facilities located in Boca Chica TX.Operation Start Date: 06/02/2025Operation End Date: 12/02/2025
This STA extends ground testing frequency and location information for Boca Chica and Brownsville TX in grant 2252-EX-ST-2024, and adds 2056/2062/2230/2236 MHz. This STA is necessary to authorize on-ground testing only of Starship Super Heavy vehicle communications at the SpaceX test facilities located in Boca Chica and Brownsville TX.On-ground testing of Starship Super Heavy vehicle communications at SpaceX test facility locations in Boca Chica and Brownsville, TX.Operation Start Date: 06/13/2025Operation End Date: 12/13/2025
ONE STEP CLOSER TO STARSHIP’S NINTH FLIGHT!The FAA has released a review of flight license 23-129 Rev 5.3, which would allow SpaceX to conduct up to 25 flights annually and authorize Starship to fly again, provided the investigation (MISHAP) into the events of the eighth flight is concluded or SpaceX is permitted to fly while the investigation remains under review
Is this Legit?QuoteONE STEP CLOSER TO STARSHIP’S NINTH FLIGHT!The FAA has released a review of flight license 23-129 Rev 5.3, which would allow SpaceX to conduct up to 25 flights annually and authorize Starship to fly again, provided the investigation (MISHAP) into the events of the eighth flight is concluded or SpaceX is permitted to fly while the investigation remains under review
Nothing new here I think
Hopefully soon sharks and whales will no longer be able to delay Starship launches.
EPA: Mighty launch pads you have here, would be a shame if anyone started investigating...
I'm reminded of the line in Apollo 13, "We just lost the moon"
Quote from: thespacecow on 02/18/2025 06:34 amHopefully soon sharks and whales will no longer be able to delay Starship launches.LOL, spoke too soon.
Both sides are standing down, I'm going to bet 6/5 is a nothing burger.
