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UAE space agency
« on: 07/16/2014 04:30 pm »
according to the French daily Le Monde, the United Arab Emirates are to set up their national space agency, aiming at sending a probe to Mars in 2021. UAE investments in space are said to be of the order of $4 billion
http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2014/07/16/les-emirats-arabes-unis-veulent-envoyer-une-sonde-sur-mars-en-2021_4458190_1650684.html

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #1 on: 07/16/2014 05:12 pm »
Presumably they are going to use someone else's launcher rather than develop their own? Wonder who would be interested in the business?
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #2 on: 07/17/2014 01:42 pm »
Presumably they are going to use someone else's launcher rather than develop their own? Wonder who would be interested in the business?

Presumably so. I think that is the hope of many who might be selling.

Would they want their own launch facility? May have a suitable spots on the Gulf of Oman coast.

Isn't it the hope of companies such as Bigelow, that wealthy countries like the UAE will come to them for services? If a mission to Mars is about proving something (national/regional prestige?), does paying for someone else's rocket, at someone else's launch pad, to maybe one day go to someone else's station,... really that prestigious? I guess I'm hoping the answer is yes?
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #3 on: 07/17/2014 05:47 pm »
Well by the looks of it it's a falcon with 3 boosters and a Orion.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #4 on: 07/17/2014 06:27 pm »
Well by the looks of it it's a falcon with 3 boosters and a Orion.



not crossfed but they do have legs!
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #5 on: 07/17/2014 09:20 pm »
Presumably they are going to use someone else's launcher rather than develop their own? Wonder who would be interested in the business?

Presumably so. I think that is the hope of many who might be selling.

Would they want their own launch facility? May have a suitable spots on the Gulf of Oman coast.

Isn't it the hope of companies such as Bigelow, that wealthy countries like the UAE will come to them for services? If a mission to Mars is about proving something (national/regional prestige?), does paying for someone else's rocket, at someone else's launch pad, to maybe one day go to someone else's station,... really that prestigious? I guess I'm hoping the answer is yes?

Who says it is about national prestige? Pulling out a wad of hundred dollar bills, having your own private space yacht or wearing 40 million dollars in bling is its own form of prestige.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #6 on: 07/18/2014 07:04 am »
Their rocket has three boosters. I initially thought they were heading to the Moon, but this looks to be a Mars probe. I don't think the flag on the upper stage nozzle would be there for long due to the heat from the engine.
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #7 on: 07/18/2014 07:42 am »
Definitely looks like a F9, has the legs and 9 engines, but 3  boosters!!. We maybe looking at a 70t FSH ( super heavy).

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #8 on: 07/18/2014 07:47 am »
Just remembered Chris said SpaceX had some news to announce after Orbomm launch, maybe this is it! All speculation of course but rumours have to start somewhere.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #9 on: 07/18/2014 08:07 am »
That must be a really tough flag they've got stuck on the engine bell  ;)

I do hope that the inaccuracies here are just a case of the graphics guy being a bit confused, with no implications for the rest of the agency :P

I have my doubts spacex is involved and the "falcon heavy++" in the video is likely just a lot of artistic license.

Would be nice to see billions flowing to space exploration as opposed to silly sand islands that keep sinking!
« Last Edit: 07/18/2014 08:25 am by NovaSilisko »

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #10 on: 07/18/2014 08:29 am »
Does the PLF in the video look like the current one SpaceX is using?

Was unclear if the spacecraft is an orbiter or a lander from the video.


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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #11 on: 07/19/2014 03:35 am »
I suspect the guys they got to do the video just took existing 3D models of F9R and Orion and cobbled it together so it would look a little different before rendering it. The customer probably didn't realize those decorative arrow shapes around the core bottoms would be instantly recognizable to anybody with a minimal interest in rockets.

Hard to imagine UAE trying to develop it's own expendable launcher much less a SpaceX style reusable one, especially since they couldn't be bothered to even make an original 3d model for their video.

They would make a good customer for SpaceX FHR/Red Dragon though. A few billion dollars would buy a whole Mars exploration program with multiple missions. Everything could be appropriately plastered with UAE flags and Arabic Script.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #12 on: 07/19/2014 03:54 am »
Musk wants lots of launch sites so maybe (ITAR not withstanding) SpaceX might get into the business of developing sites for others, with the proviso they can use them to or something similar. We have speculated that the "engine department" will be kept busy rather than shed... once Merlin is done, they started on Raptor, and once Raptor is done, they start on something else, continuously cranking out new designs.

Perhaps SpaceX has decided the same thing could eventually be true for other parts of the company. Maybe the teams that are currently working on 39A and Boca Chica... albeit at way different stages, BC is more land acquisition followed by basic infrastructure work,much earlier in the process, so perhaps the 39A crew could descend on it once that was done, as the BC land/infra team goes on to the next facility location (Georgia?), while the 39A crew shifts to Chica to do the GSE/erectors/hangars/control rooms, etc and so on in succession. Thus keeping crews busy. Once SpaceX has enough pads (and presumably has done the process improvement on pad creation that they presumably would want to do) keep the crew busy building national ones.

Thin gossamer but not completely impossible.  We'll see
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #13 on: 07/19/2014 02:12 pm »
Definitely looks like a F9, has the legs and 9 engines, but 3  boosters!!. We maybe looking at a 70t FSH ( super heavy).
Not FH, but MCT? ;-)

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #14 on: 07/20/2014 12:56 am »
They will be struggling to send anything to Mars by 2021 if UAE are planning to develop their own LV from scratch. I'm picking they will use somebody else's LV and develop the payload themselves.
If it is somebody else's LV then the video indicates SpaceX but 3 boosters!!.
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #15 on: 07/20/2014 03:10 am »
They will be struggling to send anything to Mars by 2021 if UAE are planning to develop their own LV from scratch. I'm picking they will use somebody else's LV and develop the payload themselves.
If it is somebody else's LV then the video indicates SpaceX but 3 boosters!!.
That 3 booster thing HAS to be notional, someone playing with KSP too much.  May or may not be SpaceX, who knows but ITAR says it would be hard.
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #17 on: 07/21/2014 04:05 pm »
Would be nice to see billions flowing to space exploration as opposed to silly sand islands that keep sinking!

I hope, for their sake,  they don't build a new launch facility on a sand island then.

Would the East coast of the UAE be a good place for a facility? Is India far enough away at the right angle?
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #18 on: 07/21/2014 07:10 pm »
Would the East coast of the UAE be a good place for a facility? Is India far enough away at the right angle?

The Khor Fakkan-Fujayrah area is rather more mountainous than the Persian Gulf side of the UAE.

Anything launched from there would have to fly down the coast and then dogleg to the south to avoid India.

They would be better off to go with something like SeaLaunch - they have the money for it.

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Re: UAE space agency
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #21 on: 04/09/2015 11:21 pm »
The UAE Space Agency and the Centre National d’Etudes Spatiales (CNES) announced a collaboration agreement.

More: http://www.thenational.ae/uae/science/uae-space-agency-to-collaborate-with-france-for-mars-mission
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #22 on: 04/20/2015 03:23 am »
Things may be picking up. The UAE has decreed that a space center be built to support their Mars mission.

http://www.astrowatch.net/2015/04/united-arab-emirates-establishes-space.html
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #24 on: 05/07/2015 07:08 am »
Its a very nice video going into the why, how and when of the mission. Launch is in July 2020 with the main science focus being the Mars atmosphere. It is called the Emirates Mars Mission. They will manage and build the spacecraft themselves. They show a UAE vehicle with six boosters, core, third stage and a fregate type fourth stage, which the video shows staying attached to the third stage! Oops. I guess this satellite is staying in LEO. :-) My guess is that with the involvement of CNES, they will probably use a Soyuz STBF.
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #25 on: 05/07/2015 05:06 pm »


In this picture something is not right !!!


rocket launched from saudi arabia !!??


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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #26 on: 05/07/2015 05:12 pm »
& here !


earth is not visible !!! :o


Rocket heading towards earth !? ???



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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #27 on: 05/07/2015 05:19 pm »
I don't know for sure that they intend to launch this thing from UAE soil, but earlier in the video you see the rocket in a completely different position. The only reasonable explanation is artistic license/continuity goof on the part of the people who made the animation. In other words, nothing to read into.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #28 on: 05/07/2015 05:42 pm »
A UAE space program could be a truly exciting endeavour. The UAE has a lot of money, and a lot of drive. They spend money on big projects like they're shovelling slag out of a blast furnace.

Edit: It's also wonderful that they're looking to do something for the global image of the region at large. Arabia needs some positive press.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #29 on: 05/07/2015 05:56 pm »
They will be struggling to send anything to Mars by 2021 if UAE are planning to develop their own LV from scratch. I'm picking they will use somebody else's LV and develop the payload themselves.
If it is somebody else's LV then the video indicates SpaceX but 3 boosters!!.
That 3 booster thing HAS to be notional, someone playing with KSP too much.  May or may not be SpaceX, who knows but ITAR says it would be hard.
I guess they could always ask China or Russia...
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #30 on: 05/08/2015 07:30 am »
The launch vehicle is most likely going to be Soyuz/Fregat, probably from Kourou. The video shows a Soyuz/Fregat core with a made up booster configuration. Also, from the pdf they say

"The Probe will be housed in the nose cone of a rocket similar to those used to launch satellites and astronauts visiting the International Space Station."
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« Reply #31 on: 05/08/2015 10:29 am »
It looks like they are applying the knowledge they gained from their Earth Observation program to deep space.

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« Reply #32 on: 06/15/2015 04:40 pm »
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After success of India’s Mars mission at a budget of Rs 450 crore, the Unites Arab Emirates (UAE) has now approached Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) for launch its own mission to red planet in 2020, the government said Monday. 

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/UAE-Seek-ISROs-Assistance-to-Launch-its-Own-Mars-Mission/2015/06/15/article2868080.ece
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« Reply #33 on: 09/24/2015 05:22 am »
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Without naming any agency, he said at least one Gulf country wants to kick-start its space activities by launching a Mars mission with ISRO’s help. A few other Asian nations are also sharpening their space plans, purely egged on by the MOM effect.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/mom-turns-one-spurs-asian-wannabes/article7684119.ece
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« Reply #34 on: 09/24/2015 10:20 am »
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Without naming any agency, he said at least one Gulf country wants to kick-start its space activities by launching a Mars mission with ISRO’s help. A few other Asian nations are also sharpening their space plans, purely egged on by the MOM effect.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/mom-turns-one-spurs-asian-wannabes/article7684119.ece

Looks like there might be significant financial rewards for Indian from Mars Orbiter Mission.

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« Reply #35 on: 09/29/2015 07:33 pm »
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Abu Dhabi: The UAE Space Agency has made an official visit to the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) to discuss opportunities of cooperation between the two organisations.

The UAE delegation was led by Dr Khalifa Al Rumaithi, chairman of the agency, and included Dr Mohammad Al Ahbabi, director-general of the agency, and a number of senior officials of the agency. They met a number of Isro engineers and officials.

The delegation learnt about the Indian space sector and the different programmes that Isro has led within space exploration. They also looked at India’s satellite launching capabilities.

The visit also involved a tour of the Satellite Assembly and Testing Centre for Isro, where the final tests are made to satellites before they are launched. This was followed by a visit to the Control and Information Centre for the Indian Mars probe project, which was launched in 2013 and began to orbit Mars last year.

The delegation was briefed on the quality and type of information received at the centres and the methods of collecting and distributing this information to other science and research bodies.

Al Rumaithi said: “The UAE and India have deep bonds and connections that span across political, economic, commercial and cultural historic roots. Working together within the space sector will only strengthen these connections and bring benefits to the UAE that include knowledge transfer and human capital development.”

http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/government/uae-space-agency-explores-cooperation-with-india-s-isro-1.1591990
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« Reply #36 on: 09/29/2015 07:37 pm »
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Without naming any agency, he said at least one Gulf country wants to kick-start its space activities by launching a Mars mission with ISRO’s help. A few other Asian nations are also sharpening their space plans, purely egged on by the MOM effect.

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/mom-turns-one-spurs-asian-wannabes/article7684119.ece

Looks like there might be significant financial rewards for Indian from Mars Orbiter Mission.

More than what they had anticipated.Not only the satellite performed beyond expectations but also their coffers are filled with launch requests.
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #38 on: 11/12/2015 06:16 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34790041

During Mars launch windows Mars and the Earth are *not* at their closest, as this ill-informed article claims.   Normally Mars is close to western quadrature relative to the Earth for a launch window.
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« Reply #39 on: 02/11/2016 01:45 am »
UAE, Isro to ink deal for launching first Arab Mars mission

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Isro will be signing a deal on Thursday with its counterpart in the United Arab Emirates to launch Arab world’s first ever mission to Mars.

The MoU between Isro and UAE space agency is among several that would be signed during the visit of Emirates’ de-facto ruler and crown prince of Abu Dhabi, Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan to New Delhi.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #40 on: 02/11/2016 02:19 am »
There's apparently no mention of it in this thread, but the spacecraft and (I think all) the instruments are being built in the United States. So UAE has contracted with one country to build the spacecraft and another country to launch it.

Now that's not unusual or unprecedented. A number of other countries (like Italy) started out that way. The issue is how much training, education and experience the country gets by doing this, and are they satisfied with the relationship?

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #41 on: 02/11/2016 06:55 am »
That's surprising news. I thought the UAE were going to build it themselves. That have built other LEO satellites previously.
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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #42 on: 02/11/2016 07:49 am »
Now that's not unusual or unprecedented. A number of other countries (like Italy) started out that way.

actually the first Italian satellite (San Marco) was entirely made in Italy and launched by an Italian AF team on a US Scout launcher from Wallops.
you probably mean Ariel, the first UK satellite, that was manufactured at NASA's GSFC

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #43 on: 03/06/2016 11:16 am »
A UAE delegation visited (last week) Japan to discuss cooperation in the field of space exploration as well as possible use of Japanese launch vehicle to launch the UAE Mars spacecraft.


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« Reply #44 on: 03/22/2016 07:15 am »
A UAE delegation visited (last week) Japan to discuss cooperation in the field of space exploration as well as possible use of Japanese launch vehicle to launch the UAE Mars spacecraft.

The agreement has been formally signed today.

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Re: UAE space agency
« Reply #46 on: 10/02/2017 03:50 pm »
United Arab Emirates to establish human spaceflight program

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ADELAIDE, Australia — The United Arab Emirates (UAE) plans to establish its own astronaut corps in the next year, seeking to fly its citizens into space on other nations’ vehicles starting in the early 2020s.

In a panel discussion at the 68th International Astronautical Congress (IAC) here Sept. 28, officials with the country’s new space agency said that the country sought to develop a “sustainable” human spaceflight program with scientific applications, rather than simply the prestige of flying humans in space.

“This is an initiative from the UAE government to have a sustainable human spaceflight program,” said Salem Humaid Al Marri, assistant director general at the Mohammed Bin Rashid Space Centre. “When we talk about sustainable, that means that we are not looking at launching an astronaut for a week or launching a tourist flight, but we’re looking at a program that is based on science.”

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Al Marri said later that the government will formally request applications from astronauts by the end of this year or the first quarter of 2018. He didn’t disclose what criteria the space agency had developed for its astronaut program.

That will be followed by a selection process that he estimated will last from six to ten months before choosing between four and six astronauts. “Probably towards the lower end,” he said of that range of four to six, “because obviously all of the astronauts that we train we would also look to fly them at some point.”

The first of those astronauts would fly by the end of 2021, the 50th anniversary of the founding of the UAE. “We have not decided on who will be flying us yet,” he said. “We do envisage that we partner up with all of the major space agencies, somehow and in some structure.”

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DUBAI, 6th June, 2018 (WAM) -- The Mohammed Bin Rashid Space Centre announced that 95 out of the 4,022 applicants have been shortlisted for the UAE Astronaut Programme, part of the UAE National Space Programme. It aims to train and prepare a team of Emiratis to be sent to space for various scientific missions. The programme was announced by His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai, and His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, in April 2017.

The shortlisted applicants are 75 males and 20 females of ages between 23 to 48 years, from across the UAE. The list includes 64 candidates under the age of 35 and 31 candidates over 35 years of age. They hail from diversified educational and vocational backgrounds including civil aviation, air force, medicine, STEM and education.
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The finalists will undergo an intensive training programme, consisting of several stages according to the highest international standards. It will start with the basic training stage, during which candidates will learn about the objectives and plans of the programme and learn the basics of scientific disciplines, including space engineering and space science. Candidates will also have to learn Russian and train in space science and research. They will then move on to advanced and intensive training, during which participants will learn about the maintenance and management of loads, as well as a range of skills including robotics, navigation, medical aid and resource management. Upon completion of this stage, the astronaut will be eligible to participate in missions to the ISS. The first Emirati astronaut will be sent to space in the coming years, and the rest of the team will follow to ISS.

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