Shades of Psyche?
Yeah, we asked that question 12 years ago. If it's really hard, why not just not do it? Why not only service spacecraft that are designed for servicing? It just didn't make much sense. This was an earmarked project.
But I think NG demonstrated that for propulsion, attaching a jetpack (ala their MEV or MEPs attached by their MRV) is way easier than trying to MacGyver your way through fill/drain valve closeouts that were never intended to be serviceable. That's the direction that most of the industry players going after providing life extension to legacy satellites have decided on (NG, Astroscale, Atomos, etc).
I do not understand the economics of satellite refuelling. Can someone check me on this?
Quote from: jongoff on 03/02/2024 05:18 amBut I think NG demonstrated that for propulsion, attaching a jetpack (ala their MEV or MEPs attached by their MRV) is way easier than trying to MacGyver your way through fill/drain valve closeouts that were never intended to be serviceable. That's the direction that most of the industry players going after providing life extension to legacy satellites have decided on (NG, Astroscale, Atomos, etc).I have vague memory that we asked about refueling. We were told that satellites often have fill valves that are completely sealed after fueling and cannot be reopened. It's not like a screwcap on a car's gas tank. We asked why satellite designers couldn't simply design the fill valve with a screwcap or something similar that could be opened again. The answer was leaks, they want a system that won't leak. I could have some of that wrong, but like so many things, there are specific reasons why systems are designed the way they are, and it's not because the designers are dumb, it's because they are trying to address known problems.But the Goddard effort in 2012 seemed like they were not serving a need, they were playing around with their technology. Maybe they reoriented the program and it made more sense. Dunno.
I do not understand the economics of satellite refuelling. Can someone check me on this?A satellite in orbit can either be refuelled or replaced. If refuelled, its life is extended . If replaced, the newer satellite would presumably have a longer life than the extended life of a old satellite and would benefit from newer technology. Thus the cost of the refuelling mission needs to be considerable lower than the cost of a replacement mission.But launch costs are now dramatically lower than they were in 2012 when OSAM-1 was being contemplated. Sure this lowers the cost of a refuelling mission, but it also lowers the cost of a replacement mission, including the cost of the replacement satellite. It seems like the potential customer base of refuelling candidates is vanishingly small.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/03/nasa-cancels-a-multibillion-dollar-satellite-servicing-demo-mission/"A report by NASA's inspector general last year outlined the mission's delays and cost overruns. Since 2016, the space agency has requested $808 million from Congress for Restore-L and OSAM-1. Lawmakers responded by giving NASA nearly $1.5 billion to fund the development of the mission, nearly double what NASA said it wanted."Note how that is consistent with what I posted above, that this project had earmarked money from Congress.
Absolutely. If Mikulski hadn't been the Senator from the same state as Goddard, there's zero chance it would've gotten the level of support it did. The thing that surprised me is how much it kept getting funding even after Mikulski retired.
Quote from: jongoff on 03/06/2024 03:24 amAbsolutely. If Mikulski hadn't been the Senator from the same state as Goddard, there's zero chance it would've gotten the level of support it did. The thing that surprised me is how much it kept getting funding even after Mikulski retired.Yes, I vaguely remember that when we discussed this back in 2012 (we were doing a review of NASA's strategic direction), somebody said that the person who ran that lab at Goddard was just really good at selling his work to Congress. And I vaguely remember that the center director at the time was unhappy about that, because he didn't have control over what work his center did and did not do.It's something that you discover when you get involved with how NASA actually works, that there are always centers and even individual labs within centers that can make end runs around the leadership. As to how they continued getting money after Mikulski left, I am as puzzled as you. As a sidenote, DART at APL was something similar. If you look at the public record (Aviation Week, Space News, any other public sources) you will be hard-pressed to find out how and why that mission happened. But that too was an earmarked mission where somebody managed to get Congress on board even though NASA leadership didn't want it to happen. So these things are not uncommon.
Plus much of the successful servicing technology, mostly Hubble, was done at contractors, Ball Aerospace predominantly. Bringing the work in house to GSFC undid that dynamic.
https://spacenews.com/on-orbit-servicing-mission-planned-for-military-satellite-in-2025/
While the bill broadly supports the administration’s request, it does criticize some decisions by NASA to cancel or cut missions. That includes the On-Orbit Servicing, Assembly and Manufacturing (OSAM) 1 mission to demonstrate satellite servicing technologies that NASA announced in March its intent to cancel. NASA requested $11 million for OSAM-1 in 2025 to close out the project.The Senate report, though, directs NASA to spend up to $174.5 million on OSAM-1 in 2025, pending a report requested by the 2024 appropriations bill on how the mission can meet a 2026 launch. The Senate language seeks a new report not later than 30 days after the final bill is enacted on those plans, as well as the potential for cost-sharing with the Defense Department and use of the spacecraft in an extended mission for national security or commercial applications.