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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #40 on: 12/09/2024 05:49 pm »
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It measures just 4cm squared but it possesses almost inconceivable speed.

Google has built a computing chip that takes just five minutes to complete tasks that would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years for some of the world’s fastest conventional computers to complete.


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Significantly, Willow is claimed to be far less prone to error than previous versions and could swell the potential of the already fast-developing field of artificial intelligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/09/google-unveils-mindboggling-quantum-computing-chip?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-5

53 qubits, (which I had to go to Reuters to find).

It's an improvement, but still not able to outpace classical computers.

The inflection point is on the order of 64-96 qubits.

It's the projected slope of improvement that is key.  If they hit the top of the logistics s-curve soon, it'll prove to be a useless technology.  If they can steadily grow to 1000 qubits, then they'll have something amazing.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alphabet-quantum/google-unveils-quantum-computer-breakthrough-critics-say-wait-a-qubit-idUSKBN1X21QW/

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #41 on: 12/09/2024 05:56 pm »
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It measures just 4cm squared but it possesses almost inconceivable speed.

Google has built a computing chip that takes just five minutes to complete tasks that would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years for some of the world’s fastest conventional computers to complete.


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Significantly, Willow is claimed to be far less prone to error than previous versions and could swell the potential of the already fast-developing field of artificial intelligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/09/google-unveils-mindboggling-quantum-computing-chip?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-5

53 qubits, (which I had to go to Reuters to find).

It's an improvement, but still not able to outpace classical computers.

The inflection point is on the order of 64-96 qubits.

It's the projected slope of improvement that is key.  If they hit the top of the logistics s-curve soon, it'll prove to be a useless technology.  If they can steadily grow to 1000 qubits, then they'll have something amazing.

I thought IBM has the lead in this race -- aren't they supposed to be close to coming out with 1024 qubits and the like?

https://www.livescience.com/technology/computing/ibms-newest-156-qubit-quantum-processor-runs-50-times-faster-than-its-predecessor-equipping-it-for-scientific-research

Also, there's a race on to cultivate the largest user install base, to leverage the network effect of that, like Nvidia did with CUDA.

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #42 on: 12/10/2024 06:28 am »
Wouldn’t this be useful to spaceflight and engineering in general as it should be good for fluid dynamics calculations?

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #43 on: 12/10/2024 08:35 pm »
This seems to have baffled those in the industry.

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Although quantum computers theoretically have the potential to threaten national security by breaking encryption techniques, even the most advanced quantum computers currently in public existence are too small and too error-prone to achieve this, rendering the bans seemingly pointless.

Not too baffling, really. Presumably you want to control the tech well before it advances enough to become a threat. To do so afterwards is pointless, the horse is already out of the barn!

If adversary nations are only 1 generation behind the earliest "weaponizable" generation of a technology, it won't be too hard (or take too long) to reproduce the latest advancement and become weaponizable. If they're instead 3-4 generations behind, it will take a lot longer.
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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #44 on: 12/10/2024 09:55 pm »
Google apparently made the claim that their new quantum chip carried out its calculations across many universes.

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That may seem like a strange thing to say, but it is made necessary by a strange claim tucked away in Google's announcement. According to Neven, the fact that the computer can perform such a calculation "lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes, in line with the idea that we live in a multiverse, a prediction first made by David Deutsch."



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While some, including Max Tegmark, have suggested that working quantum computers would prove the existence of the multiverse, this is really jumping the gun. Quantum computers rely on quantum mechanics, and not any specific interpretation of it, as far as we have evidence. They work under the Copenhagen interpretation, and are possible in hidden variable theories too.

Though what Google has done with quantum computers is pretty neat, it is far from practical, and by no means proof that it performed calculations across many, many universes.

https://www.iflscience.com/google-suggests-its-quantum-computer-may-use-other-universes-to-perform-calculations-77155

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #45 on: 12/11/2024 06:32 pm »
Google apparently made the claim that their new quantum chip carried out its calculations across many universes.

Meh, that's one interpretation out of many. Sort of like the blind men feeling the elephant, then writing news articles about it, based on whatever sells more copy.

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #46 on: 02/21/2025 02:07 pm »
Microsoft has announced its proof-of-concept Majorana chip with fanfare, claiming it demonstrates topological quantum computing through its 8 qubits, which it one day hopes to scale up to millions of qubits. Topological quantum computing is supposed to be especially resistant to noise.


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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #47 on: 02/22/2025 03:55 pm »
Majorana 1 Explained: The Path to a Million Qubits:


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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #48 on: 03/04/2025 05:31 pm »
Controversy on Microsoft's Alleged Topological Qubits


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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #49 on: 03/05/2025 11:59 am »
Chinese Quantum Computer Prototype Is Million Billion Times Faster Than Best Supercomputer

https://www.iflscience.com/chinese-quantum-computer-prototype-is-million-billion-times-faster-than-best-supercomputer-78306

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #50 on: 05/04/2025 05:32 pm »
Are Black Holes the Ultimate Quantum Computers?


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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #51 on: 05/11/2025 04:51 pm »
China claims to have cracked RSA2048 with quantum algorithms:


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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #53 on: 05/17/2025 06:25 pm »
Is D-Wave guilty of fraud and misrepresentation? Or is this a false accusation itself meant to misrepresent and manipulate the markets?



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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #54 on: 05/17/2025 08:25 pm »
If terrestrial quantum computing takes off, and if it requires milli-kelvin temperatures to be reliable, then the answer to how quantum computing impacts spaceflight is that it creates a market demand for hundreds or thousands of tonnes of helium-3 per year.

State of the art for achieving milli-kelvin temperatures is through use of a dilution refrigerator, which relies on the weird thermodynamics of He-3/He-4 at very low temperatures.

There is, of course, no guarantee that the winning quantum computing arrangement will require ultra-low temperatures.  But if it does, mining He-3 on the Moon might turn out to be economically viable, without having to resort to all that aneutronic fusion nonsense. 

Or not:  Most terrestrial helium is refined from natural gas, and some of that will be He-3.  Currently, it's more economical to produce He-3 from tritium, which in turn is created by irradiating lithium in nuclear reactors.  But it's unclear whether refinement of He-3 from geological helium would be more expensive than refining it on the Moon and flying it home.

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #55 on: 06/27/2025 02:14 pm »
Theory suggests that consciousness is a quantum process, connecting us all to the entire universe

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Engineers are developing noninvasive terahertz scanners that lock onto microtubule resonances through the skull, hoping to watch consciousness flicker on and off during sleep and surgery.

Early prototypes detect subtle electromagnetic signatures that vanish when animals go under anaesthetic and rebound on waking.

If future trials map those signatures to perception, therapies might follow. Stabilizing microtubules could ease anesthesia in chemotherapy patients or counteract disorders of awareness.

Reversible entanglement clues might even inspire brainwide quantum networks that are faster than today’s silicon.

For now, the universewide consciousness model remains a daring explanation rather than proven fact. Still, each year brings fresh data that chip away at the classical firewall between mind and matter, and the conversation is shifting from “if” to “how.”

https://www.earth.com/news/study-consciousness-is-a-quantum-process-connecting-us-all-to-the-entire-universe/

Related papers:

https://www.eneuro.org/content/11/8/ENEURO.0291-24.2024

https://journals.aps.org/pre/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevE.110.024402

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #56 on: 06/27/2025 03:11 pm »
This is more of an old saw, barely a hypothesis, than a real theory. The way it’s described here borders on pseudoscience.
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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #57 on: 06/27/2025 11:06 pm »
Japanese they say advance a terrible thing this quantum race another headline of largest-class superconducting quantum computer

a coin stuck on the edge, the qubit is a two-state (or two-level) quantum-mechanical system, for some a terrible thing to consider

Qubit breakthrough could make it easier to build quantum computers
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2482057-qubit-breakthrough-could-make-it-easier-to-build-quantum-computers/

Entanglement of 3-qubit states
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1868405/entanglement-of-3-qubit-states

What are classical analogies for the notions of superposition, entanglement, and interference?
https://quantumcomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/37977/what-are-classical-analogies-for-the-notions-of-superposition-entanglement-and

Quantum Computing, Qubit Creation/Entanglement
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/17628/quantum-computing-qubit-creation-entanglement

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #58 on: 06/27/2025 11:38 pm »
This is more of an old saw, barely a hypothesis, than a real theory. The way it’s described here borders on pseudoscience.
Ironically, Roger Penrose argued in 1994 that AI could never create human consciousness because the human brain used quantum effects which could never be implemented in computers.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose#Consciousness
The Extropians and other SI investigators rejected the conclusion, not because the brain might be using quantum effects, but because there are likely to be many ways to implement SI.

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Re: How Will Quantum Computing Impact Spaceflight?
« Reply #59 on: 06/28/2025 02:44 am »
This is more of an old saw, barely a hypothesis, than a real theory. The way it’s described here borders on pseudoscience.
Ironically, Roger Penrose argued in 1994 that AI could never create human consciousness because the human brain used quantum effects which could never be implemented in computers.
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose#Consciousness
The Extropians and other SI investigators rejected the conclusion, not because the brain might be using quantum effects, but because there are likely to be many ways to implement SI.

There's a long history of distinguished scientists getting sucked into pseudoscientific dreck. Isaac Newton famously spent much of his later life steeped in numerology.

For my money, Daniel Dennett (RIP) had a much more clear-eyed view on consciousness.

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