Are you familiar with the UR-700? it was to be multiple Protons, their 6 individual engines replaced with a single RD-270, strapped together. In this situation, it would be 7 LM5's, strapped together. You can see a similar design in the Super Delta IV Heavy thread in the Heavy lift section.http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ur700.html
Quote from: Downix on 01/27/2011 09:30 pmAre you familiar with the UR-700? it was to be multiple Protons, their 6 individual engines replaced with a single RD-270, strapped together. In this situation, it would be 7 LM5's, strapped together. You can see a similar design in the Super Delta IV Heavy thread in the Heavy lift section.http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ur700.htmlIt also was never built instead the very different Energia rocket flew.The CZ-5-504 lifts about 25T into LEO it uses four CZ-5-300 boosters.The 25T LM-5 already uses five CZ cores not sure there is a direct route to 100+ T like Delta IV.The CZ-500 core looks too heavy to fly on it's own the boosters appear to be necessary.40 or 50T might be doable with out too many changes to tooling.Now the interesting part is they claim they might be able to produce up to 30 CZ-5 units a year.Not sure if this is complete vehicles or first stage/booster units.But it seems they're going for flight rates vs a large payload.They only spend 2 maybe 3 billion a year on spaceflight a government HLV is just going to be wishful thinking on that budget.
It's not like China is an open society. It's not like they are not actively, although they will officially tell you otherwise, preparing to go head-to-head with the United States.
One of the goals listed is to map out the location for their Lunar Base. You don't map out such a location unless you have at least some plans to make use of such a base, do you?
Pragmatically speaking, they have got to be more technically advanced than the US was in 1959. There should be no technical reason that they cannot accomplish this goal within a decade, but that is not a prediction nor a guarantee.
Their current program is operated in a very careful, incremental manner, and the pace seems to be limited in part by a desire to keep costs down.
China won't go do any manned missions to the moon until they're comfortable with their space station program. They'll move forward in a logical progression. Unlike the United States, which aimed for the moon before laying any groundwork for an ongoing exploration program.Werner von Braun laid out the roadmap to manned space exploration: first you built a space station, they you build a moon base, and then you go to the mars. This has been widely established as the most sensible way to proceed.This is also the kind of long view that doesn't play well in the U.S. but suits the Communist Party of China just fine. They'll be around to take credit for the future successes that build on the steps they're taking today.
WU Weiren, chief designer of China's lunar exploration program: "Chinese will set foot on the Moon before 2030. There's no doubt about it."
Chief designer of China's lunar exploration program: "Chinese will set foot on the Moon before 2030. There's no doubt about it."
One major announcement by CMSA in the Shenzhou-16 press briefing is the crewed lunar landing in full swing, including Long March 10, lunar lander, new generation crewed spacecraft, lunar space suits, heavy rocket launch facility, etc.And, they say BEFORE 2030
It was announced at the Shenzhou 16 press conference that China aims to walk on the Moon by 2030. The CZ-5DY is now called the CZ-10. Two launches will be used for the Lunar landing. The first will send the lander and the second the crewed orbiter. Models of all three vehicles were recently shown.
Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 06/01/2023 07:58 amIt was announced at the Shenzhou 16 press conference that China aims to walk on the Moon by 2030. The CZ-5DY is now called the CZ-10. Two launches will be used for the Lunar landing. The first will send the lander and the second the crewed orbiter. Models of all three vehicles were recently shown.I read the SZ16 press conference they said "2030年前" which should means before 2030, Isn`t 'by 2030' meaning 2030 is included?
Before the beginning of 2030 or the end of 2030?
“The Moon will have access to TV, games and WiFi.”“We are building an [internet] satellite constellation around the moon, that can provide communication, navigation, and remote sensing services,” Wu Weiren, chief designer of China’s lunar exploration program revealed this week.
#NASA aims to get back on the moon by 2025 as #CHINA space programme aim for its first test in 2027 in race that could herald new terrestrial prospects