Quote from: Cinder on 05/09/2010 07:10 pmSkylon?Seconded.I know it's bad for an engineer to get on a bandwagon and stop thinking, but sometimes I'm amazed at how much effort it takes to get people to even acknowledge the Skylon concept's existence in an SSTO thread...
Skylon?
In fairness the OP specified rocket power.
I'll play, using existing engines and flown tank mass ratios (the Lego method):SSTO, VTVL, truncated cone.Mass budget in metric tons:GLOW: 185IMLEO: 14.7Propellant: 171 LOX: 125 RP-1: 40 LH2: 6 Tankage: 2.5 LOX: 1.3 RP-1: 0.5 LH2: 0.7
Good concept with the LEGO method! Nice high tankage ratios. About 100 for LOX and RP and 10 for LH2.
Quote from: meiza on 05/15/2010 01:39 pmGood concept with the LEGO method! Nice high tankage ratios. About 100 for LOX and RP and 10 for LH2.96, 80 and 8.6. All have been bettered in existing flight vehicles.Could have gone with higher performance engines too, but the ones I selected could do the job and appear robust enough for multiple flights.I used a spread sheet to optimize the kerolox/hydrolox ratio for delta v, based on tank & engine mass.Interestingly, the pure RP-1 case requires RD-180 like Isp, and loses so much performance it would not be reusable. The pure LH2 would also not be reusable. But a kerolox/hydrolox ratio of anywhere from 2.5 to 10 works, with a maximum at about 4.2 for my assumptions.You could probably get a small payload increase by carrying the RP-1 in drop tanks, but it probably wouldn't be enough for even one extra person in a manned vehicle.
I'll play, using existing engines and flown tank mass ratios (the Lego method):SSTO, VTVL, truncated cone.4 x Merlin 1c4 x RL-10-A-2Mass budget in metric tons:GLOW: 185IMLEO: 14.7Propellant: 171 LOX: 125 RP-1: 40 LH2: 6 Engines (inc plumbing and thrust structures)4 x Merlin 1c: 4.54 x RL-10-A-2: 1.5Tankage: 2.5 LOX: 1.3 RP-1: 0.5 LH2: 0.7TPS: 0.5(Bolt on PICA replaced after each flight)Cabin: 1Other: 1 (avionics, ECLS, batteries, RCS, etc)Leaves 500 kg for crew/passengers.The only armwavium is an assumption of double bell nozzles on the RL-10s so they can be used at sea level for landing. Propellant includes 1 t of LOX/LH2 for landing. Boil-off GOX/GH2 used for RCS.Launches using the Merlins, which provide 3600 m/s dv, then switches to the RL-10s which provide another 5840 m/s.Further details left as an exercise to the reader...
What about an RBCC?Use air (compressed by a compressor) to replace the LOX oxidizer. Same thrust chamber and fuel pump. Use a heat exchanger in the inlet, so that the excess heat (from the shock-heated air) can be transferred to the fuel just prior to injection.Note that the power turbine (which drives the pump) would be the SAME for both configurations. It would be an oxidizer-rich staged combustion cycle; O2 and N2 have close enough molecular masses that combustion gasses from either air or LOX and fuel could drive the turbine.
What about NK-33? or plug-nozzle version of said engine?Also, what about a higher performance LH2/LOX engine? Use SSME T/W; 480sec vacuum Isp.As for methane, do not forget the thrust bonus when using it. This is because it is volume flow that limits thrust. For LOX/methane, stoichiometric, one gets a thrust bonus of 44% if the thrust chamber is the limiting factor, or 64% if one is limited by the turbopumps. These numbers are over stoichiometric LH2/LOX, which itself has a thrust bonus over the typical fuel-rich mixture ratios. Use stoichiometric O/F ratios in the sustainer engine.
Also, what about a higher performance LH2/LOX engine? Use SSME T/W; 480sec vacuum Isp.
Don't forget that LOX/methane can reach 435sec vacuum Isp!! This is for SSME- or NK-33- caliber designs.
RL-10s are too small. you's need 25 of them. And their T/W is only about half that of a Merlin. So engine mass is almost doubled.Methane is not dense enough for a first stage. With an O/F of about 1, you've increased the tankage mass by about 50%.Congratulations, you now have negative payload as an SSTO, let alone RLV.RD-191 is a litlle heavy, but with the higher Isp would provide a small increase in payload. Maybe enough for a third person.
Quote from: tnphysics on 05/15/2010 10:39 pmWhat about an RBCC?Use air (compressed by a compressor) to replace the LOX oxidizer. Same thrust chamber and fuel pump. Use a heat exchanger in the inlet, so that the excess heat (from the shock-heated air) can be transferred to the fuel just prior to injection.Note that the power turbine (which drives the pump) would be the SAME for both configurations. It would be an oxidizer-rich staged combustion cycle; O2 and N2 have close enough molecular masses that combustion gasses from either air or LOX and fuel could drive the turbine.If you wanted to use air as the initial oxidixer you need much bigger chambers to get the same thrust, because there's only 20% of the oxygen to burn with the fuel. You get some benefit from the N2 reaction mass, but not enough. That's why rocket engines have far higher T/W ratio than jet engines.I wouldn't worry about a heat exchanger, just stay sub-sonic until the air start to thin out at about 15 km.Ducting the airflow into the rocket exhaust for extra thrust is probably more effective than trying to burn it.
Be sure to run very fuel rich if using air augmentation. The air burns your fuel, much less LOX needed.Also, I would spike the LH2 with boron and aluminum. This increases Isp and thrust. The Al is to form particles of Al2O3, which act as condensation nuclei, reducing the problems that the B2O3 particles create.One problem with this last approach is that the turbine may need be either hot enough that B2O3 vaporizes (over 2100K) or cool enough that it solidifies to prevent particle deposition on the turbine blades (bad).Also, I would use a tripropellant (only 2 pumps-start with LOX in pump 1 and RP-1 in pump 2, then switch to LH2 in pump 1 and LOX in pump 2, thus making good use of both pumps regardless of which propellant is being used).
In retrospect, it appears that I should have allowed air-launch, provided that it is done in an inexpensive way. In other words, no major ground equipment or crew for the assembly (too expensive).