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Thread for the Starlink Group 8-1 launch.

Launch NET Q1 2024, from Vandenberg SLC-4E, on booster 10xx-xx.  The first stage will land aboard Of Course I Still Love You.

Payload ? Starlink V2.0 Mini F9-3 satellites to 53? degree inclination orbit on a southeastern trajectory.  Initial orbit ? x ? km.

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« Last Edit: 01/10/2024 10:22 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink 8-1 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET October 2023
« Reply #1 on: 09/06/2023 07:26 pm »
Cross-post regarding first Starlink Group 8 launch:
1807-EX-ST-2023 Mission 2102 Starlink Group 8-1 from SLC-4E
ASDS North  29  52  50   West  116  45  3
[NET Sep 25]
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink 8-1 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET October 2023
« Reply #2 on: 09/15/2023 12:19 am »
Cross-post regarding first Starlink Group 8 launch:
1807-EX-ST-2023 Mission 2102 Starlink Group 8-1 from SLC-4E
ASDS North  29  52  50   West  116  45  3
[NET Sep 25]

ASDS same coordinates as Group 7 (non dogleg).  Indicates probable 53 degree inclination?
Perhaps Group 8 indicates a satellite variant change like Group 5 (V1.5) and Group 6 (v2.0Mini) did.
Perhaps the first production V2.0 Mini F9-3 variants? 
In an September 1 FCC Filing.  SpaceX indicated.

"Dear Ms. Dortch:
SpaceX is poised to bring the massive benefits of ubiquitous mobile coverage to millions of American consumers—and billions around the world—through supplemental coverage from space.1 SpaceX met with Commission staff on August 30, 2023 to urge the Commission to expeditiously grant its modification application to support upcoming launches of its direct-to-cellular capabilities.2 As SpaceX has shown at length in these proceedings, this barrier-breaking technology will serve the public interest and advance the Commission’s ambitious space agenda without causing harmful interference to other in-band, out-of-band, or cross-border users.
Sincerely,
/s/ Jameson Dempsey"

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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink 8-1 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET October 2023
« Reply #3 on: 09/16/2023 07:01 pm »
Starlink 8-1 now moved from NET Oct 2023 to Q4.
This perhaps solidifies the concept that Group 8 is a "Satellite Varient (F9-3)" change.

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Cross-post re: Starlink 7-5:
https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp
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SPACEX STARLINK 7-5 VANDENBERG SFB, CA
PRIMARY :   10/21/23   0619Z-1039Z
BACKUP:      10/22/23   0558Z-1017Z
      10/23/23   0536Z-0956Z
      10/24/23   0515Z-0934Z
      10/25/23   0453Z-0912Z

This pushes Starlink 8-1 to NET November.  I have seen no notice, beyond that noted in the opening posts, of when it will occur.
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Cross-post re: Starlink 7-5:
https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp
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SPACEX STARLINK 7-5 VANDENBERG SFB, CA
PRIMARY :   10/21/23   0619Z-1039Z
BACKUP:      10/22/23   0558Z-1017Z
      10/23/23   0536Z-0956Z
      10/24/23   0515Z-0934Z
      10/25/23   0453Z-0912Z

This pushes Starlink 8-1 to NET November.  I have seen no notice, beyond that noted in the opening posts, of when it will occur.

Until they get the direct to cell paperwork it won't happen. NET December as of right now I'd say

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This likely pertains to Starlink 8-1.
BREAKING NEWS!   FCC Approves in Part, Defers in Part SpaceX's Feb. 07, 2023 application to provide "Commercial"  Direct 2 Device service. Providing SpaceX with "First Mover Advantage" in the D2D marketplace

SATMOD2023020700021

https://twitter.com/FREESPEECH1017/status/1730772350646526400

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More on SpaceX D2D "Scope of Grant"

The most important.  "Authority to Launch"
This Grant authorizes SpaceX for the Launch of  "Modified" satellites (up to 7,500 Gen. 2)  into the three authorized Gen. 2 orbital parameters and allows "limited on-orbit check out in the PCS G Block of the satellite buss and antenna deployment for a period of 10 days or less. This authority does not permit LEOP operations. Only the initial 10 day check out period on orbit.

This authorization was the first necessary step in the process.  You can not authorize the  "launch of satellites" on a STA. So this is the purpose of this License Grant.  SpaceX will need to perform LEOP operations shortly after the payloads are past the initial checkout period. 

That is where the new STA SpaceX applied for today 12/01 comes into play.

SES-STA-INTR2023-06753

"SpaceX will conduct its payload testing activities during the launch and early orbit phase (“LEOP”) of the satellites’ mission. During the critical check-out phase, which will begin within hours of launch at an altitude between 290 km and 350 km—depending on the particulars of the specific launch—and will continue for several weeks for each satellite, SpaceX will test the functionality of each direct-to-cellular payload and its network capabilities to ensure that they are operating as intended. Permitting this initial, internal LEOP check-out testing over several weeks (or longer as necessary) for each satellite is critical to assess and address issues as they arise."

Then eventually they will transition to the previously filed STA on October 2nd. for wide-spread testing with TMobile.
SAT-STA-20231002-00240

"Direct-to-cell STA to launch and test its non-geostationary orbit NGSO second generation Gen2 satellites with direct-to-cellular communications payloads to connect unmodified cellular phones directly to SpaceX Gen2 satellites"

Every D2D operator that will provide service to the US will require authority to launch from the FCC.

https://twitter.com/FREESPEECH1017/status/1730971108495823025

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Correct.  10 days, then the STA will be approved fo[r] LEOP testing, 30 days, renewable.  The take away is, you can't launch on a STA.  Because you can not easily "unlaunch them" if the STA is not renewed. Watch for a series of filings next week for D2D missions @FCC. I suspect that the 800 satellite number will include at least 1 Starship launch.

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BREAKING NEWS!   FCC Approves in Part, Defers in Part SpaceX's Feb. 07, 2023 application to provide "Commercial"  Direct 2 Device service. Providing SpaceX with "First Mover Advantage" in the D2D marketplace
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So we will get notice of the Starlink Group 8-1 launch soon.  :)
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink 8-1 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET Q1 2024
« Reply #7 on: 01/10/2024 10:23 pm »
Belated cross-post:
Scheduled:
Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)

2024
NET December 2023 Q1 - Starlink group 8-1 (x21) flight ?? [V2 Mini L??] - Falcon 9 (OCISLY) - Vandenberg SLC-4E

Changes on December 21st
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Re: SpaceX F9 : Starlink 8-1 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET Q1 2024
« Reply #8 on: 02/13/2024 04:06 pm »
FCC Experimental Authorization for 8-1 expires ~March 24th

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