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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : 2023
« Reply #20 on: 10/09/2023 06:45 am »
NextSpaceflight, updated October 9:
NET December

Could = NET Q4 in NextSF jargon?
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : 2023
« Reply #21 on: 11/26/2023 05:24 am »
Open question: Launch delayed into 2024?

Edit December 13: Still no news--I suspect yes.

Edit December 16: News!
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #22 on: 12/16/2023 07:33 am »
The thread title has been updated from a launch in 2023 to NET 21 December. Source is nextspaceflight.com. Spaceflight Now also added Sarah today for a launch in December and put it before Ovzon, which is scheduled for 22 December. Starlink Group 7-9 accordingly slips from today (UTC) to 29 December.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #23 on: 12/16/2023 07:35 am »
The thread title has been updated from a launch in 2023 to NET 21 December. Source is nextspaceflight.com. Spaceflight Now also added Sarah today for a launch in December and put it before Ovzon, which is scheduled for 22 December. Starlink Group 7-9 accordingly slips from today (UTC) to 29 December.

3 launches and 15 days left in the year, with 7 days to turn around the pad.  Going to be tight.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #24 on: 12/16/2023 04:10 pm »
I hope that the peeps get some Christmas time off.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #25 on: 12/16/2023 07:47 pm »
I hope that the peeps get some Christmas time off.

They should. I think there has to be a rule that all SpaceX employees get a Christmas break.

Well, me saying that is ironic because James Webb launched two years ago on Christmas Day.
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #26 on: 12/16/2023 10:49 pm »
This disappeared for some reason.
NextSpaceflight, updated December 16:
Launch NET December 21st, 2023
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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #27 on: 12/16/2023 11:35 pm »
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/91
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Launch Time
Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:56 GMT

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #28 on: 12/17/2023 01:29 am »
NGA Space Debris notice.

Quote from: NGA
170204Z DEC 23
HYDROPAC 3945/23(83).
SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   1440Z TO 1705Z DAILY 21 THRU 26 DEC
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   31-21.0S 145-01.0W, 31-20.0S 147-36.0W,
   52-50.0S 148-24.0W, 52-51.00S 144-45.0W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 261805Z DEC 23.

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Re: SpaceX F9 : SARah 2/3 : VSFB SLC-4E : NET 21 December 2023
« Reply #29 on: 12/17/2023 04:24 am »
NGA Space Debris notice.

Quote from: NGA
170204Z DEC 23
HYDROPAC 3945/23(83).
SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
...

Quote from: FAA Mexican zone MMFR
B1286/23 NOTAMN
Q) MMFR/QRPCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/
A) MMFR
B) 2312211256
C) 2312261516
D) DLY 1256-1516
E) PROHIBITED AREA FOR LAUNCH OF ROCKET FALCON 9 SARAH-2
   LATERAL LIMIT: AREA FORMED BY THE UNION OF THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
   30 45N 120 50W
   31 02N 120 17W
   30 59N 120 17W
   30 36N 120 18W
   30 21N 120 24W
   30 45N 120 50W
   MMFR
F) MSL
G) UNL

This zone off the Mexican shore is a funny shape for a fairing recovery, but its alignment is consistent with a roughly 90 deg orbit inclination, as is the long axis of the stage 2 zone found by Ken the Bin (thanks!). The leading edges of the hazard times for launch and stage 2 are 104 min apart; trailing edges are 109 min apart.

These are the launch hazard windows for SARah
  Start (PST)        End (PST)
12/21  04:56am     12/21  07:16am
12/22  04:56am     12/22  07:16am
12/23  04:56am     12/23  07:16am
12/24  04:56am     12/24  07:16am
12/25  04:56am     12/25  07:16am
12/26  04:56am     12/26  07:16am


Interestingly, these 6 opportunities interleave with the two opportunities for Firefly Alpha flight 4:
  Start (PST)        End (PST)
12/20  08:48am     12/20  10:26am
12/21  08:48am     12/21  10:26am

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The weather currently on the California coast this week is the result of a cut-off low, which means that it meanders and could potentially stall before moving on eastward.
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I received NGA Space Debris notice. It looks like it might be effectively a Rocket Launching notice for this launch, but it runs from December 22 to 26, which would mean a one-day postponement.

Thoughts?

Quote from: NGA
182313Z DEC 23
NAVAREA XII 877/23(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   1256Z TO 1516Z DAILY 22 THRU 26 DEC
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   30-30.00N 121-10.00W, 29-50.00N 120-52.00W,
   29-51.00N 120-35.00W, 30-43.00N 120-21.00W,
   31-16.00N 120-39.00W, 31-16.00N 120-52.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 261616Z DEC 23.

Pretty sure this is SARah 2&3 being transported to 4E today? Im unfamiliar with payload processing out at vandenburg and the route a payload like this would take from encapsulation to the launch site.
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I received NGA Space Debris notice. It looks like it might be effectively a Rocket Launching notice for this launch, but it runs from December 22 to 26, which would mean a one-day postponement.

Thoughts?

Quote from: NGA
182313Z DEC 23
NAVAREA XII 877/23(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   1256Z TO 1516Z DAILY 22 THRU 26 DEC
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   30-30.00N 121-10.00W, 29-50.00N 120-52.00W,
   29-51.00N 120-35.00W, 30-43.00N 120-21.00W,
   31-16.00N 120-39.00W, 31-16.00N 120-52.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 261616Z DEC 23.

Delay because of Firefly launch on the 20th ?

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I received NGA Space Debris notice. It looks like it might be effectively a Rocket Launching notice for this launch, but it runs from December 22 to 26, which would mean a one-day postponement.

Maps from the NGA notices. The effective Rocket Launching notice aligns with the predicted 88.2° inclination.

Edit:

This notice from the USCG District 11 weekly Local Notice to Mariners that came out today still has December 21. Times are PST; add 8 hours for UTC.

Added area A to the LHA map.
« Last Edit: 12/20/2023 09:48 am by OneSpeed »

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This notice from the USCG District 11 weekly Local Notice to Mariners that came out today still has December 21. Times are PST; add 8 hours for UTC.

Quote from: USCG
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA-VANDENBERG AFB-HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS
Hazardous operations will be conducted from Vandenberg AFB, CA for Western Range 2346 from 4:26am on 21 December, 2023 until 7:16am on 25 December, 2023. Hazardous operation areas are bounded by the following coordinates:
Hazard Area A:
34-41-00N 120-42-00W
34-41-00N 120-25-00W
34-18-00N 120-25-00W
34-03-00N 120-35-00W
33-34-00N 120-36-00W
33-32-00N 120-40-00W
34-41-00N 120-42-00W (CLOSING THE FIRST POINT)
Hazard Area B:
30-30-00N 121-10-00W
29-50-00N 120-52-00W
29-51-00N 120-35-00W
30-43-00N 120-21-00W
31-16-00N 120-39-00W
31-16-00N 120-52-00W
30-30-00N 121-10-00W (CLOSING THE FIRST POINT)
Mariners are advised to remain clear of these areas for the duration of operations. For more details or comments contact Vandenberg AFB at 805-606-8825 or on VHF-FM Chan. 06 or 16.

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Delay because of Firefly launch on the 20th ?
The interleaving of their launch times existed a few days ago. Surely the range administration would ensure both companies knew about it, while also deconflicting the VSFB staff.

I figure both companies will react to the weather, which has some wind in it. Might be a double-launch Friday!

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Große Dinge werfen ihre Schatten voraus! 🤗Das @BaainBw ist mit beiden #SARah Satelliten🛰️auf dem Weg zur Rakete 🚀. Am 22.12.2023 ist es dann endlich so weit. Nach Übergabe an #CIR wird das #ZAbbAufkl seine Fähigkeiten zur Aufklärung für die #Bundeswehr weiter steigern können.💪

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Great things cast their shadows ahead! 🤗The @BaainBw is on the way to the rocket with both #SARah satellites🛰️. On December 22nd, 2023 the time has finally come. After handing over to #CIR, the #ZAbbAufkl will be able to further increase its reconnaissance capabilities for the #Bundeswehr.💪

https://twitter.com/cirbw/status/1737143109618667798

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Die letzten Meter bis zum geplanten Start der beiden Reflektor-Satelliten sind geschafft. Übermorgen sollen sie von der Vandenberg Space Force Base in Kalifornien/🇺🇸 aus ins All starten. Dann sind alle #SARah Aufklärungssatelliten für die #Bundeswehr im Orbit.#Beschaffungläuft

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The last few meters until the planned launch of the two reflector satellites have been completed. The day after tomorrow they are scheduled to launch into space from the Vandenberg Space Force Base in California/🇺🇸. Then all #SARah reconnaissance satellites for the #Bundeswehr will be in orbit.#Procurementongoing

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Fresh NOTAMs just out showing the launch slipping to December 23 (back-up days post-Christmas, December 27-30). This should allow for Firefly next door to re-attempt launching on the 22nd which seems to have better weather forecasts than today or tomorrow.

B1434/23 NOTAMR B1387/23
Q) MMFR/QRPCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/
A) MMFR
B) 2312231256
C) 2312301521
D) 23 27 1256-1516, 28 29 30 1256-1521

E) PROHIBITED AREA FOR LAUNCH OF ROCKET FALCON 9 SARAH-2
   LATERAL LIMIT AREA FORMED BY THE UNION OF THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
   30 45N 120 50W
   31 02N 120 17W
   30 59N 120 17W
   30 36N 120 18W
   30 21N 120 24W
   30 45N 120 50W
   MMFR
F) MSL
G) UNL
« Last Edit: 12/20/2023 04:55 pm by Galactic Penguin SST »
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Große Dinge werfen ihre Schatten voraus! 🤗Das @BaainBw ist mit beiden #SARah Satelliten🛰️auf dem Weg zur Rakete 🚀. Am 22.12.2023 ist es dann endlich so weit. Nach Übergabe an #CIR wird das #ZAbbAufkl seine Fähigkeiten zur Aufklärung für die #Bundeswehr weiter steigern können.💪
Can anyone post here SARah logo which is seen on the fairings?
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