GW_Simulations - 19/1/2008 3:49 AMFurther ahead, I think that L-32 is scheduled for Q3 2009, L-34 for October 2009 and L-41 for June 2010.
SFox - 19/1/2008 8:57 PMBut anybody nothing knows about past mission: NROL-2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14
faustod - 20/1/2008 12:59 PMNROL-10 USA-155 on 06.12.2000 was launched by Atlas 2AS AC-157 not Titan 4B-30.This last is already listed for NROL-16 on 30.04.2005
WHAP - 20/1/2008 5:56 PMNROL-5 (Capricorn) 29.01.1998 Atlas 2A AC-109 NROL-12 (Aquila) 10.10.2001 Atlas IIAS AC-162
GW_Simulations - 10/5/2008 5:21 AMSome of the ones that haven't launched yet (Satellite types are guessed based on patches and known mission parameters):NROL-25 - NOSS "Altair" - Delta IVM+(5,2) - 2011NROL-26 - Adv. Orion or Prowler - Delta IVH - 9 September 2008L-27 (DIVM+(4,2), April 2010) is probably Trumpet, L-15 (DIVH, April 2011) and L-32 (December 2009) could be GSO ELINTs. L-49 (DIVH, December 2010) is probably the last Improved Crystal, but it could be Lacrosse. L-29 (Atlas, TBD) is probably radar reconnaissance, hit by huge delays following the failure of L-21, which would explain the dissapearence from the schedules. The same could apply for L-39 (Atlas, 2011). Not sure about L-34 (AV401, October 2009), but possibly NOSS. I really don't know about L-41 (AV501, 2010), probably something with high volume and low mass. I would guess a follow-up to either Lacrosse (Like L-29) or Improved Crystal. These are just guesses, and time will show how many are correct.
faustod - 10/5/2008 4:44 PM1- I read somewhere that Prowler is the followon of Trumpet. So, I understand that NROL-26 will be an Adv.Orion in case of a GTO launch, otherwise it will be a Prowler, if the launch will be to a Molniya type orbit.
2- I suppose that the already launched NROL-22 and NROL-28, were Trumpet/Prowler type.
3- About NROL-34 and NROL-25(probably NOSS), I noted that the previous NOSS sats, were launched: NROL-13 and NRO-18 from VAFB and more recently NROL-23 and NROL-30 from CCAFS. Apparently, this type of sats, will now return to be launched from VAFB.
faustod - 13/5/2008 3:19 PMUSA-141 STEX 03.10.1998 Taurus 1110
WHAP - 13/5/2008 4:50 PMCan you post a picture of the patch?
WHAP - 13/5/2008 6:17 PMThe Joker patch is for Titan/Centaur-13 (Titan 4 A21/K21), which was a Milstar launch on 11/6/95. It is not NROL-2.
WHAP - 13/5/2008 6:17 PMThe Sugar Daddy patch is for Titan/Centaur-16 (Titan 4 A17/K20). This was not a Milstar launch. It occurred on 11/7/97.
What's with the difference in designations?Are you sure? I've already seen two patches for that launch. I would say the number looks more like a 15, not a 16, but it is hard to read given the low quality of the image.Thanks for your help.
I'm pretty sure we called that one "Sweet 16" as in a young girl's 16th birthday - hence the "How Sweet it is" and the "Sugar Daddy" references. I didn't work that mission (since it flew with the older Centaur avionics?) so I didn't get the patch.
I think that it's very probable thatUSA-133 Lacrosse 24.10.1997 Titan IVA was NROL-3.
NROL-49 "Betty" - USA-224 - KH-11 - 20.01.2011 - Delta IV-H - CCAFS
Quote from: GW_Simulations on 01/22/2011 07:27 pmNROL-49 "Betty" - USA-224 - KH-11 - 20.01.2011 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSIt was only the day before yesterday so I don't think my memory has gone yet - it didn't look much like CCAFS to me.
NROL-25 "Altair" - - NOSS?? - 2012 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFB[/i]NROL-34 "Frigga" - - Trumpet? - 2011 - Atlas V 411 - VAFBFor these two launches, i have some doubt concerning the payloads:NROL-25 has a 5m fairing, but earlier NOSS launches on Atlas fitted pretty well inside the 4m fairing. Therfore i think, a FIA-R is more likely.NROL-34 is AFAIK a Atlas V 401. It could well be an SDS on a molniya orbit, a Trumpet F/O or a NOSS payload.
Quote from: GW_Simulations on 01/22/2011 07:27 pmNROL-25 "Altair" - - NOSS?? - 2012 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFB[/i]NROL-34 "Frigga" - - Trumpet? - 2011 - Atlas V 411 - VAFBFor these two launches, i have some doubt concerning the payloads:NROL-25 has a 5m fairing, but earlier NOSS launches on Atlas fitted pretty well inside the 4m fairing. Therfore i think, a FIA-R is more likely.NROL-34 is AFAIK a Atlas V 401. It could well be an SDS on a molniya orbit, a Trumpet F/O or a NOSS payload.
NROL-25 "Altair" - - NOSS?? - 2012 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFB[/i]NROL-34 "Frigga" - - Trumpet? - 2011 - Atlas V 411 - VAFB
Although NOSS can fit inside the four metre Atlas fairing, it did require a lengthened version. The four metre Delta fairing is far shorter, and I do not believe a NOSS payload would fit inside. The five metre fairing is longer, and should be sufficient. There is also a typical NOSS symbol on the patch, but that could be wrong. I agree that if it is not NOSS, then it will be FIA-R.
L-34 is definitely going on a 411, I've got an image of the launch patch somewhere, I'll try and find it.
Quote from: GW_Simulations on 01/24/2011 11:27 pmAlthough NOSS can fit inside the four metre Atlas fairing, it did require a lengthened version. The four metre Delta fairing is far shorter, and I do not believe a NOSS payload would fit inside. The five metre fairing is longer, and should be sufficient. There is also a typical NOSS symbol on the patch, but that could be wrong. I agree that if it is not NOSS, then it will be FIA-R.The Delta-IV 4m fairing is longer than the 4m EPF fairing of Atlas, which was used for NOSS. Therfore it is possible to launch NOSS on an Delta with 4m fairing
If L-39 and L-41 are both FIA-R then why was L-41 the first?
NROL-34 "Frigga"* - - Trumpet? - 2011 - Atlas V 411 - VAFB
NROL-22 Delta IV (4,2) VAFB SLC-6 2005.07NROL-26 Delta IV CCAFS SLC-37B 2005.12NROL-25 Delta IV (4,0) VAFB SLC-6 2006.03NROL-30 Atlas V (501) CCAFS SLC-41 2006.03NROL-28 Atlas V (411) VAFB SLC-3E 2006.05NROL-29 Atlas V (Unk) VAFB SLC-3E 2006.07STP-1 Atlas V (401) CCAFS SLC-41 2006.09NROL-24 Atlas V (401) CCAFS SLC-41 2007.07NROL-41 Atlas V (501) VAFB SLC-3E 2007.09NROL-32 CCAFS 2007.10NROL-43 VAFB 2008.01NROL-39 Atlas V (501) VAFB SLC-3E 2008.10NROL-27 CCAFS 2009.01NROL-34 CCAFS 2009.07NROL-45 Atlas V (501) VAFB SLC-3E 2009.10NROL-38 CCAFS 2009.10STP-2 CCAFS 2010.04NROL-15 CCAFS 2010.04STTR-1 CCAFS 2011.01NROL-36 CCAFS 2012.01NROL-46 CCAFS 2012.01NROL-47 VAFB 2012.01NROL-33 CCAFS 2012.01NROL-59 VAFB 2012.10ODSI 1a&b CCAFS 2013.01NROL-35 VAFB 2013.07
With regards to the NROL-30 question, does anyone have any information on the fairings used by the Atlas II and III NOSS launches?
Quote from: GW_Simulations on 01/12/2012 08:25 pmWith regards to the NROL-30 question, does anyone have any information on the fairings used by the Atlas II and III NOSS launches?Same as in Atlas V: The extended payload fairing (EPF)
What about the fairings?Also,the DIVM is still available.
According to MSDB, L-65 will launch from Vandenberg next year on a DIVH. That means it is almost certainly a KH-11.
HTH I found an ULA article a few weeks back that lists the following:NROL-42 - 2017 - Atlas V 541 - VAFB SLC-3E LEONROL-55 - 2015 - Atlas V 401 - VAFB SLC-3E LEONROL-61 - 2017 - Atlas V 411 - CCAFS-SLC41 GTO NROL-67 - 2014 - Atlas V 541 - VAFB SLC-3E LEONROL-79 - 2017 - Atlas V 401 - VAFB SLC-3E LEO
That leaves the two 541s. LEO from VAFB usually means IMINT. I can't see FIA-R being replaced that soon, so my guess would be a new electro-optical satellite. Rocket is a little large for that though - comparable commercial satellites are booked to launch on 401s.
Quote from: William Graham on 04/25/2013 07:34 amThat leaves the two 541s. LEO from VAFB usually means IMINT. I can't see FIA-R being replaced that soon, so my guess would be a new electro-optical satellite. Rocket is a little large for that though - comparable commercial satellites are booked to launch on 401s.Huh? Too large? Commercial satellites aren't comparable. Spacecraft on Delta IV Heavy would be.
I think the US financial year starts on 1 October. I also managed to find the table in its original context:http://icubesat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/icubesat-org-2012-c-2-1_presentation_szatkowski.pdf
1. Very interesting. So if "ridesharing" is worked out with the primary customer, the secondary customer would pay the primary customer some agreed-upon portion of the launch cost? And they would have to agree upon the hardware, and coordinate CGs and EMC and so on, amongst themselves (ie not coordinated by ULA at all)?I would think ridesharing with NRO would be a tough proposition, but maybe that aft adapter would help.2. Does "Performance Limited" mean "I put this mission on the slide but there's no way you're going to get on it"? Sounds like either the satellite is overweight, or the US tank will get filled to as much weight as is available.3. Is it ever possible to bump from an Atlas 401 to a 411 or 421 after the purchase, or is that set in stone years in advance? It seems like such an innocent change. 4. Are GeoEye and WorldView satellites both still on the manifest, or does this predate the merger? Does the >4000 margin on a 401 mean these satellites are Delta II sized? 5. And (struggling to come back on topic...) are names like "Improved Trumpet" a description of an NRO satellite bus (like Boeing 601 or 702), or a specific spacecraft/mission (like TDRS)? 6. Is the NRO salivating at the possibility of a Falcon Heavy-sized launch opportunity, or have they sworn off such largesse?
I think the US financial year starts on 1 October.
2. It means the primary payload uses all the capability of the LV. Upperstages are always fully loaded. There isn't such thing as a partial propellant load.Didn't one of the Proton launches fail because the upperstage was overfilled by 1.5 tons--indicating a partial load was intended but not implemented? It doesn't seem possible to fill a tank beyond it's structural/volumetric limit-without ballooning it
It seems that the identification of NROL-67 may not be correct since the current launch schedule now shows it to be launched from the Cape next March (type of rocket is correct). Next generation ELINT?
Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/24/2013 04:15 pmIt seems that the identification of NROL-67 may not be correct since the current launch schedule now shows it to be launched from the Cape next March (type of rocket is correct). Next generation ELINT? L-67 is something of a mystery. It was originally listed as going from Canaveral, then seemed to move to VAFB and back to CCAFS. It could be that it actually changed launch site, or that ULA listed the wrong site in the presentation which listed it as being a west coast mission. The ULA powerpoint also stated it was going to LEO. Apart from a Misty follow-up (which I would expect to require the servces of a Delta IV Heavy), or an old RADINT satellite (I seem to remember a recent discussion concluding that an Atlas V could probably carry one from a mass and volume standpoint, but with two next-generation satellites operational and a third launching in the next fortnight, I fail to see the point), the only things which would fly to LEO from Canaveral would be Intruder SIGINT birds. I strongly doubt that L-67 would be Intruder - unless several pairs of satellites were being launched together, the mass gain wouldn't make sense.So if we ignore the LEO line, it leaves several possiblities. Orion could be a good bet, although I have L-37 as a strong candidate for a current-generation Orion so I'm not sure if they're up for replacement yet. That said L-37's launch site hasn't been confirmed yet and much of my assessment of it was based on the assumption there were no more KH-11s to launch, while the documents leaked in August suggest production is continuing.HEO SIGINT is also possible - L-67 could be a replacement for the Trumpet series. That would again be quite a significant increase in mass over the current-generation satellites however.I'm reluctant to rule out a replacement for the Quasar communications satellites - although these typically use smaller rockets commercial comsats are one type of spacecraft which are still increasing in mass rather than decreasing, and it is possible that a fourth-generation SDS could be adding new capabilities in a similar manner. It is unlikely though.And now for a completly wild guess. Most of the names listed in the leaked NRO documents have been associated with real satellites. The one exception is NEMESIS 2, which is listed as a HEO/GEO SIGINT satellite heavily funded in FY2011 but with nothing listed afterwards. NEMESIS 2 and NROL-67 (and possibly AFSPC-2 as well) could possibly be the same satellite. What that is is anybody's guess - maybe a Prowler followup? But that is pure speculation.
QUASAR has to be ruled out. Delta IV heavy is around 15klb in GSO. QUASAR is less than 5klb.
Somebody bumped this thread earlier asking for an update, which was probably overdue.NROL-1 "Nemesis" - USA-179 - Quasar 3G - 31.08.2004 - Atlas IIAS - CCAFSNROL-2 - USA-129 - KH-11 - 20.12.1996 - Titan IV(404)A - VAFBNROL-3 (?) - USA-133 - Onyx - 24.10.1997 - Titan IV(403)A - VAFBNROL-4 - USA-136 - Trumpet 1G - 08.11.1997 - Titan IV(401)A - CCAFSNROL-5 "Capricorn" - USA-137 - Quasar 2/3G - 29.01.1998 - Atlas IIA - CCAFSNROL-6 - USA-139 - Orion 2G - 09.05.1998 - Titan IV(401)B - CCAFSNROL-7 - - Mercury - 12.08.1998 - Titan IV(401)A - CCAFSNROL-8 (?) - - STEX - 03.10.1998 - Taurus 1110 - VAFBNROL-9 - USA-144 - Misty - 22.05.1999 - Titan IV(404)B - VAFBNROL-10 "Ursa Major"* - USA-155 - Quasar 3G - 06.12.2000 - Atlas IIAS - CCAFSNROL-11 - USA-152 - Onyx - 17.08.2000 - Titan IV(403)B - VAFBNROL-12 "Aquila" - USA-162 - Quasar 3G - 10.10.2001 - Atlas IIAS - CCAFSNROL-13 "Gemini" - USA-160 - Intruder 3G - 08.09.2001 - Atlas IIAS - VAFBNROL-14 - USA-161 - KH-11 - 05.10.2001 - Titan IV(404)B - VAFBNROL-15 - USA-237 - Orion 2/3G - 29.06.2012 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-16 - USA-182 - Onyx - 30.04.2005 - Titan IV(403)B - CCAFSNROL-17 - USA-158 - GeoLITE - 18.05.2001 - Delta II 7925 - CCAFSNROL-18 "Libra" - USA-173 - Intruder 3G - 02.12.2003 - Atlas IIAS - VAFBNROL-19 - USA-171 - Orion 2G - 09.09.2003 - Titan IV(401)B - CCAFSNROL-20 - USA-186 - KH-11 - 19.10.2005 - Titan IV(404)B - VAFBNROL-21 - USA-193 - Tech** - 14.12.2006 - Delta II 7920 - VAFBNROL-22 - USA-184 - Trumpet 2G - 28.06.2006 - Delta IV-M+(4,2) - VAFBNROL-23 "Canis Minor" - USA-181 - Intruder 3G - 03.02.2005 - Atlas IIIB - CCAFSNROL-24 "Scorpius" - USA-198 - Quasar 3G - 10.12.2007 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-25 "Altair"*** - USA-234 - Topaz 1G - 03.04.2012 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFBNROL-26 - USA-202 - Orion 3G - 18.01.2009 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-27 "Gryphon" - USA-227 - Quasar 3G - 11.03.2011 - Delta IV-M+(4,2) - CCAFSNROL-28 - USA-200 - Trumpet 2G - 13.03.2008 - Atlas V 411 - VAFBNROL-29 - - FIA-O? - cancelled - Atlas V 521 - VAFBNROL-30 "Pyxis" - USA-194 - Intruder 3G - 15.06.2007 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-31 - UnknownNROL-32 - USA-223 - Orion 2G - 21.11.2010 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-33 - USA-252 - Quasar 3G - 22.06.2014 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-34 "Odin" - USA-229 - Intruder 3G - 15.04.2011 - Atlas V 411 - VAFBNROL-35 - USA-259 - Trumpet 3G - 13.12.2014 - Atlas V 531 - VAFBNROL-36 - USA-238 - Intruder 3G - 13.09.2012 - Atlas V 401 - VAFBNROL-37 - USA-268 - Orion 2/3G - 11.06.2016 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-38 "Drake" - USA-236 - Quasar 3G - 20.06.2012 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-39 - USA-247 - Topaz 1G - 06.12.2013 - Atlas V 501 - VAFBNROL-40 - UnknownNROL-41 - USA-215 - Topaz 1G - 21.09.2010 - Atlas V 501 - VAFBNROL-42 - - Trumpet 3G - 2017 - Atlas V 541 - VAFBNROL-43 - - - - - VAFBNROL-44 - - Orion? 2/3G - 2019 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-45 - USA-267 - Topaz 1G - 10.02.2016 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFBNROL-46 - - - - - CCAFSNROL-47 - - Topaz 1/2G - 2017 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFBNROL-48 - UnknownNROL-49 - USA-224 - KH-11 - 20.01.2011 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-50 - UnknownNROL-51 - UnknownNROL-52 - - Quasar 4G - 2017 - Atlas V 421 - CCAFSNROL-53 - UnknownNROL-54 - UnknownNROL-55 - USA-264 - Intruder 3G - 08.10.2015 - Atlas V 401 - VAFBNROL-56 - UnknownNROL-57 - UnknownNROL-58 - UnknownNROL-59 - - - - - VAFBNROL-60 - UnknownNROL-61 "Spike" - USA-269 - Quasar 4G - 28.07.2016 - Atlas V 421 - CCAFSNROL-62 - UnknownNROL-63 - UnknownNROL-64 - UnknownNROL-65 "Buttercup"?? - USA-245 - KH-11 - 28.08.2013 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-66 - USA-225 - RPP - 06.02.2011 - Minotaur I - VAFBNROL-67 - USA-250 - ?? - 10.04.2014 - Atlas V 541 - CCAFSNROL-68 - - Orion 2/3G - 2021 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-69 - UnknownNROL-70 - - Orion 2/3G - 2022 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-71 - - KH-11??? - 2018 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-72 - UnknownNROL-73 - UnknownNROL-74 - UnknownNROL-75 - UnknownNROL-76 - - Quasar 4G?? - 2017 - Falcon 9 FT - KSCNROL-77 - UnknownNROL-78 - UnknownNROL-79 - - Intruder 3G - 2017 - Atlas V 401 - VAFBNROL-80 - UnknownNROL-81 - UnknownNROL-82 - - KH-11??? - 2020 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-83 - UnknownNROL-84 - UnknownNROL-85 - UnknownNROL-86 - UnknownNROL-87 - UnknownNROL-88 - UnknownNROL-89 - UnknownNROL-90 - UnknownNROL-91 - - KH-11??? - 2023 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-92 - UnknownNROL-93 - UnknownNROL-94 - UnknownNROL-95 - UnknownNROL-96 - UnknownNROL-97 - UnknownNROL-98 - UnknownNROL-99 - UnknownNROL-100 - UnknownNROL-101 - - - 2019 - Atlas V - CCAFS* - Officially "Ursa Major", however "Great Bear" was used on the mission patch, which was designed by a 13-year-old** - Possibly a prototype Topaz?*** - A mission patch on sale c.2007 featured the name "Altair", however a completely different patch, without this name, was issued after the mission's lengthy delay. It is possible that a) The 2007 patch was not related to the mission, and the seller was in error, b) The patch was redesigned, or c) the payload was changed (the Altair patch looked like a typical NOSS/SDS patch)Red: Updates November 2016Blue: Adding assumed generations
Is Silent Barker NROL-107?
Moderator: Moving this thread from the ULA sub-forum to US Other US Launchers sub-forum.American launch providers other than ULA (Atlas V, Delta IV) are now performing NRO launches.Member: Updating the previous list of September 2017.NROL-47 - USA-281 - Topaz 1/2G - January 12, 2018 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFBNROL-71 - USA-290 - KH-11 - January 19, 2019 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-151 - USA-294 - ? - January 31, 2020 - Electron - New ZealandNROL-129 - USA-305/6/7/8 - ? - July 15, 2020 - Minotaur IV - MARS (Wallops)NROL-101 - USA-310 - Molniya Quasar 4G? - November 13, 2020 - Atlas V 551 - CCAFSNROL-44 - - Orion? 2/3G - November 11, 2020 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-108 - - ? - December 19, 2020 - Falcon 9 - CCAFSNROL-82 - - KH-11? - TBD early 2021 - Delta IV-H - VAFB
The NROL-68 mission that was launched today appears to be codenamed Orion 11/Mentor 9:https://mezha.media/en/2023/06/22/during-the-launch-of-nrol-68-the-us-put-a-new-electronic-reconnaissance-satellite-into-space/https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/orion-5_nro.htm
Quote from: Vahe231991 on 06/22/2023 02:46 pmThe NROL-68 mission that was launched today appears to be codenamed Orion 11/Mentor 9:https://mezha.media/en/2023/06/22/during-the-launch-of-nrol-68-the-us-put-a-new-electronic-reconnaissance-satellite-into-space/https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/orion-5_nro.htmWhat you mention isn't the NROL codename, please read the 1st post."L" in "NROL" stands for "launch". It's a name linked to the launch itself, not to the payload ("Orion 11/Mentor 9" is the presumed payload name).