The octaweb is misaligned *duck*.
T-shirts with the patch are listed in the SpaceX shop, but currently "out of stock." :(
T-shirts with the patch are listed in the SpaceX shop, but currently "out of stock." :(
The Men's 5X is still in stock.
As noted, as the flight rate increases, having a party thread for each mission could be a bit messy, so we said we'd go with a general party thread for "regular" missions and reserve the specific party threads to CRS missions and big events like the first FH, Dragon 2 and so on.
So we need a suggestion for the title of the general party thread title, with the suggestion with the most likes becoming the title of this thread.
Such as "SpaceX Falcon 9 'Jim says it's only a ComSat Launch' Party Thread." ;D
As noted, as the flight rate increases, having a party thread for each mission could be a bit messy, so we said we'd go with a general party thread for "regular" missions and reserve the specific party threads to CRS missions and big events like the first FH, Dragon 2 and so on.
So we need a suggestion for the title of the general party thread title, with the suggestion with the most likes becoming the title of this thread.
Such as "SpaceX Falcon 9 'Jim says it's only a ComSat Launch' Party Thread." ;D
Well I guess we can keep using this party thread until we suffer a collapsed landing leg and the thread tips over and is destroyed. ;)
Could we give the thread a new name for each launch, while keeping it the same thread?
"The Never-ending Party - Launch, land, rinse, refuel, repeat"
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
First off, criteria for a Name:
1) it musk Mention SpaceX
2) it should NOT reference a specific LV / SC
3) it should be FUN!!!
My suggestion therefore:
The SpaceX Lunch - Drinking Game Party Thread
The SpaceX Falcon's Nest Party Thread
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party ThreadMild modification suggestion-
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread
That's FRRLPT for short.Too bad it's not:
A single never ending party thread will surely test the limits of the forum backend at some point.
Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Wow, only on page 3 and "someone" is already writing about a possible valve malfunction!
Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Winning name (Barrie's) now the thread title. He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)Request the modified version? That's daft! What if he says "the modified version is "Chris Bergin is a Boaty McBoatface" ???
Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Winning name (Barrie's) now the thread title. He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)Request the modified version? That's daft! What if he says "the modified version is "Chris Bergin is a Boaty McBoatface" ???
Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party ThreadMild modification suggestion-
>The fully and Rapidly Reusable Falcon Party Thread<
- Because you can party longer than just the launch
- Because Falcon Party makes it sound like its a Falcon party.
He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)Hey, I didn't vote for the modified version!* It adds another word that is not necessary to an already long thread name. We are in the SpaceX section, so nobody would confuse it with a BO rocket. SpaceX only has Falcons, it can't launch anything else. If and when we get a non-Falcon launched by SpaceX we will probably want another party thread anyway...
It adds another word ...
That's FRRLPT for short.
Contested convention on Party Thread?Whose convention?
It's a word exchange, not an add; no additional letters. :P The party is for more than launch. The mod would be better.Only semi-serious; but Dragon landings following a successful mission wouldn't fit. There is no "Falcon" involved. So maybe we should just get rid of Launch completely! "The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Party Thread". That's sufficiently generic for everything except for an expendable launch which... we may have some of.
;)
Winning name (Barrie's) now the thread title. He has the right to request the modified version, but that's his call as he's the winner. :)Request the modified version? That's daft! What if he says "the modified version is "Chris Bergin is a Boaty McBoatface" ???
Remember not to get too carried away. It's mainly the relief valve for the "serious face" mission threads.
Sooo, maybe Disney should get a couple cardboard cut-outs of Han and Chewie, fly them up as space-filler cargo on a Dragon flight and then the crew can pose them in the cupola for publicity shots from outside. ;)Given that there was room for a gorilla suit on a previous flight, they can probably squeeze in a wookie outfit..
with some careful tailoring and a new headmask you probably could fudge the Wookie look using the g-suit...Sooo, maybe Disney should get a couple cardboard cut-outs of Han and Chewie, fly them up as space-filler cargo on a Dragon flight and then the crew can pose them in the cupola for publicity shots from outside. ;)Given that there was room for a gorilla suit on a previous flight, they can probably squeeze in a wookie outfit..
So is only the first stage of the party reusable? Or will Chris be out doing spaceX and reuse the party's second stage. The part that may or may not put a hole in Chis's servers ;)As long as the hole's in the server, not the barge!
Pardon me. Is this the 4-month-party-to-Mars thread? No? Be back later.
Nah, sent my worldly goods ahead on the SEP route. Just taking myself and a kilo of Concord grape seeds on the all-propellant fast run.Pardon me. Is this the 4-month-party-to-Mars thread? No? Be back later.
Well Ionmars, if you're planning to go to Mars by ion power it will probably be a lot longer than 4 months.
Repairing the ASDS can only be fun for so long.
Why target the ASDS at all then? If they really think the 3-burn landing is the way to go in the future, why not test it out "landing" on the open ocean like they did before the ASDS was ready? When you show you can do it there, then but a boat underneath it.
Consider the "enormous commercial possibilities should they succeed"...
stages are worth more than the cost of the repairs to the ASDS.
(monty python episode referencing flying sheep removed since this actually isn't the party thread).
As long as it doesn't further move to Cinco DeBargoMayo
...the ASDS is a ship, ships sometimes have rats, and rats are known to chew holes in things.It did manage to come back from the Bermuda Triangle...
Occam's Razor.
As long as it doesn't further move to Cinco DeBargoMayo
I'll be quite happy so long as they don't cinco de barge.
However, regarding SES 9's 3 engine landing attempt, many are claiming, without evidence so far as I can see, that it resulted in a hole in the ASDS. I've seen the pictures, but they show the ASDS (hole-free) leaving, the other pics show it returning with a hole. For some reason, everyone seems to assume that the F9 did this. This is perplexing to me, because there's a far more plausible explanation; the ASDS is a ship, ships sometimes have rats, and rats are known to chew holes in things.
Occam's Razor.
Do we have to bring up the whole duck floats witch thing again?
It did manage to come back from the Bermuda Triangle...
Are you saying OCISLY is a witch?
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...
re: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40146.msg1523961#msg1523961
...this is starting to feel like a party thread..
wait it is the party thread! Never mind.
By the way, I modified that poll for a few hours to include the option "A moose once bit my sister"
but nobody voted for it, and I deleted the option because... it's wasn't a party thread.
... SpaceX has to have a very aggressive pace to meet humans on Mars by 2025.
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...
re: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40146.msg1523961#msg1523961
...this is starting to feel like a party thread..
wait it is the party thread! Never mind.
By the way, I modified that poll for a few hours to include the option "A moose once bit my sister"
but nobody voted for it, and I deleted the option because... it's wasn't a party thread.
You got the reference! Well played, sir
Given today's announcement I want to party like it's 2018...
Red Dragon to Mars on a FH in 2018? That launch window is centered on April 30th, so just about two years from today. It's highly ambitious, because SpaceX has a huge amount to accomplish in order to do it. The biggest challenge may be landing (Which would be January, 2019); can they get the ASDS there in time?There's water on Mars so it seems perfectly reasonable to me that ASDS will float on Mars. :D
So does anybody have some ideas about what the payload will be? I was thinking either some ISRU testbeds or something to search for ore deposits and ice.
Elon
Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark. ;DQuote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
Not even a fleet of BFSs would be enough to launch away all useless people from this planet.As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark. ;DQuote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
Not even a fleet of BFSs would be enough to launch away all useless people from this planet.As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark. ;DQuote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
Just remember what happened to Golgafrincham after all their telephone sanitizers left on the B ark..As I finally read through the announcement thread and find this party thread-worthy jewel, I think an even better idea would be to send [insert your most detested politician here] on that capsule, one-upping Jeff Bezos' offer:We could load it up with all the best, maybe throw a telephone sanitizer on for good measure, and call it the B Ark. ;DQuote from: https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/674008204838199297Finally trashed by @realDonaldTrump. Will still reserve him a seat on the Blue Origin rocket. #sendDonaldtospace
So which SpaceX intern will get the job to paint the Dragon red?
They could have been listening also to this freakin' awesome power metal....Sounds like Powerslave from Iron Maiden :)
...Because Elon isn't cool enough apparently, he now has his own tribute band. And it's amazing!
They're even called Raptor Command. Just... yes. My amazing peopleism simply can't endure this, please send for an ambulance.
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Sounds like Powerslave from Iron Maiden :)
Just not as loud ;D
Heavy metal tribute band???? ;D
Holy. Crap.
*weirded out*
Heavy metal tribute band???? ;D
Holy. Crap.
*weirded out*
If you and I are weirded out, imagine how Elon must feel! ;D
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.
Last time I visited, you could get from the airport to downtown via light rail but a short EVA was required to get from the light rail into either the downtownSo is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.
https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=39843.0,3Battach=1113981,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wSoI7BBZVe.jpg)
Last time I visited, you could get from the airport to downtown via light rail but a short EVA was required to get from the light rail into either the downtownSo is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.habitrailskyway system or the Mall of America.
Meanwhile, in the JCSAT-14 - NET May 5, 2016 - UPDATES thread...https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=39843.0,3Battach=1113981,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wSoI7BBZVe.jpg)
this is now a FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL launch party thread :E
Can you imagine when the church of Elon starts holding regular sessions?
... Wait this is the church of Elon already!
Can you imagine when the church of Elon starts holding regular sessions?
... Wait this is the church of Elon already!
Is this like a monarchy-based, church-of-England style church? Because Elon already has the title of Elon according to a certain author.
Oh Chris of clan Bergin, bequeath us your divine secrets of MCTs and Magicks most holy.
Can you imagine when the church of Elon starts holding regular sessions?
... Wait this is the church of Elon already!
Is this like a monarchy-based, church-of-England style church? Because Elon already has the title of Elon according to a certain author.
Oh Chris of clan Bergin, bequeath us your divine secrets of MCTs and Magicks most holy.
Sir Elon of Musk if he gives the Queen a free Tesla.
Anyway, where's that Darth Vader/JCSAT-14 image? ;D
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted. He can only get an honorary knighthood. Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling. "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted. He can only get an honorary knighthood. Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling. "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted. He can only get an honorary knighthood. Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling. "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?
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Anyway, where's that Darth Vader/JCSAT-14 image? ;D
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted. He can only get an honorary knighthood. Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling. "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?
He probably got a security clearance, related to DoD payloads, so he would have had to turn in foreign passports or destroy them. Technically, if he turned in his passport he could get it back upon termination of his security clearance.
I think the real question is when he will become a dual U.S. - Martian citizen.
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Who wants to start the first Martian Embassy with me? Where should we build it?
Elon Musk for Martian PresidentElon Musk for
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Who wants to start the first Martian Embassy with me? Where should we build it?
Minneapolis, MN where Mars, Inc was HQ originally (sort of).
or... DUH Washington DC where their principle offices were moved in 1959.
Maybe we can rent 'space' from them for the embassy (kind of ironic, no?).
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Who wants to start the first Martian Embassy with me? Where should we build it?
Minneapolis, MN where Mars, Inc was HQ originally (sort of).
or... DUH Washington DC where their principle offices were moved in 1959.
Maybe we can rent 'space' from them for the embassy (kind of ironic, no?).
Oh, THAT Mars! Got me! Although I am not sure there is a better first export from Earth to Mars than M&Ms -- cold M&Ms are awesome. We could negotiate that as the first trade agreement.
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted. He can only get an honorary knighthood. Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling. "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.
Sort of a raw deal. Get the all clear for ITAR but lose out on being Sir Elon. (yes, I know permanent residency is the real requirement, not citizenship)
Elon Musk for Martian PresidentElon Musk forMartian PresidentSupreme GrandSpeakerTweeter of Mars!
Tweet One!
Quote from: starhawk92 link=topic=40089.msg1527901#msg1527901 date=146229452
With Martian Blueberries on the backhaul.
[/quoteI wonder if those 'Martian Blueberries' can be put through a fermentation process? Martian Blueberry Wine, anyone?? ;)
Or Blueberry pickles... Plenty of salts on Mars to lacto-ferment them.
That is if we can get the pickle trees to grow ;DThe beauty of lacto-fermentation is it occurs in a Mars like atmosphere (CO2 rich, O2 reduced) with a fairly primitive bacteria (Lactobacillus). More primitive than yeast and maybe even cyanobacteria (theorized in the Allen's Hill Meteor).
That is if we can get the pickle trees to grow ;DThe beauty of lacto-fermentation is it occurs in a Mars like atmosphere (CO2 rich, O2 reduced) with a fairly primitive bacteria (Lactobacillus). More primitive than yeast and maybe even cyanobacteria (theorized in the Allen's Hill Meteor).
So Mars is the perfect place for Pickles, Kim-chi, Sour Kraut, Relish, yogurt, cheese, all the ingredients you need to host a party! (except the yogurt, who serves yogurt at a party? Some healthy whole earther? They would stick to Earth hugging a tree anyways and we won't find them on the Mars party thread!)
With Mar's atmosphere, you will even be able to skip the airlock to create all your party treats! Bonus!
In every recipe for yogurt that I've ever seen, one of the 2 required ingredients was yogurt. Duh, if I had any yogurt in the first place, I wouldn't be trying to make it. Now that the Chicken-and-Egg paradox has been conclusively solved (the Egg was first), the big question facing philosophers is what came first? The Yogurt or the Yogurt?
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.
Since Elon has become an American citizen, he is no longer able to be knighted. He can only get an honorary knighthood. Ergo, can't use "Sir" styling. "Elon of Musk, KBE" on his stationary would be okay though.Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?
Part of the Naturalization (i.e. Citizenship) Oath (https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/naturalization-test/naturalization-oath-allegiance-united-states-america) is "...renouncing and abjuring all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;..."
He can still be a dual (triple? Canada?) citizen, meaning that he enjoys certain rights of citizenship in SA. The US doesn't require renouncing most rights. But, even if he didn't technically renounce his SA citizenship, he renounced "allegiance and fidelity" to the Queen. IANAL, but, in my opinion, that should disqualify him as a subject who recognizes the Queen as his monarch. So, while the shorthand for who is capable of being knighted is someone who's a citizen of a Commonwealth country, if they've renounced their allegiance and fidelity to the monarch I don't think they would still qualify.
In every recipe for yogurt that I've ever seen, one of the 2 required ingredients was yogurt. Duh, if I had any yogurt in the first place, I wouldn't be trying to make it. Now that the Chicken-and-Egg paradox has been conclusively solved (the Egg was first), the big question facing philosophers is what came first? The Yogurt or the Yogurt?
Or Blueberry pickles... Plenty of salts on Mars to lacto-ferment them.
That is if we can get the pickle trees to grow ;D
So is the name of the poll, I want to live like a sardine the rest of my life?Like a Minnesotan! We invented the indoor shopping mall for a reason. You can't go outside (or you'll literally freeze your face and lungs and die within minutes if not protected), so you build large indoor environments.
The Mideast is similar in this respect, mega malls in big cities like Dubai exist because one will melt in the summer heat. Literally. Mars related in that in the short term at least the daily lifestyle will be an "indoors" one similar to mall life. Going outdoors will require specialized clothing and equipment.
CLEARLY it was the YogurtFirst Elon made SpaceX and saw it launch
Actually, all you need is milk and the proper bacteria.
Not dual citizenship? He renounced his South African Citizenship?
Sat at the launch site!
http://www.orbitalatk.com/news-room/release.asp?prid=142
Am I the only one that looked at this and said Princess Leah?Princess Vespa!
Am I the only one that looked at this and said Princess Leah?Princess Vespa!
Actually, all you need is milk and the proper bacteria.
Okay, bacteria, easy peasy. But cows are heavy, and require lots of life support, and don't like zero-g... Best we could do is probably put them in a medically-induced coma for 200 or so days, and then somebody has to deal with a bovine colostomy bag. Carrying milk to Mars isn't much of an option, since it's essentially water that has a shelf life. (even sterilized, it tends to stratify... then again, in zero-g, maybe not?)
So, with cows and their milk out of the question for now, and goats being the greater of two evils, we are left with only one solution: human milk.
Mars may be an even more interesting place than we thought.
OK, repeat after me
"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"
If everyone chants this for about 10 minutes around 1:25 AM we should be home free, and OCISLY will catch another stage.
It's called a Falcon 9... Now if you want a super super effective hair dryer you will have to wait for the Falcon Heavy!Where is the super effective hair dryer???Am I the only one that looked at this and said Princess Leah?Princess Vespa!
Does anyone know if SpaceX deleted their Live Stream account? All the links that I have are returning a 404 error.
Ahem, this is the party thread, that sounds like a serious update ... SO off topic!
But why would he be tinkering on launch day? We need to get Bencredible over here too :)
OK, repeat after me
"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"
"We need another rocket in the barn"
If everyone chants this for about 10 minutes around 1:25 AM we should be home free, and OCISLY will catch another stage.
(prompted by someone on another thread saying that SpaceX will soon have so many surplus rockets that they will start flinging stuff at Mars just to get rid of them)
This is the first launch that I'm going to miss because of some hospital tests tomorrow. :( Good luck to all the teams at SpaceX to all our excellent NSF members during event coverage... Go SpaceX! Go NSF! :)
Thank you! :)This is the first launch that I'm going to miss because of some hospital tests tomorrow. :( Good luck to all the teams at SpaceX to all our excellent NSF members during event coverage... Go SpaceX! Go NSF! :)
Good luck with the tests, Rocket Science. :)
Clearly, the reasoning behind BFR is so they can fling the actual stages at Mars once they start to surplus out on F9 and FH cores/boosters. When the BFR stages start to stack, they'll resort to a larger BFR. Slowly but surely the entire mass of the Earth will be converted into rocket stages, only to be cast into Mars in a desperate endeavour to move all life on Earth to the Red Planet.
We must stop this shenaniganry before it's too late.
One cow, freezer full of embryos, enough to ensure genetic diversity.
The marker lights on the landing legs are a nice touch.
@ Elon Musk: May need to increase size of rocket storage hangar
I've got one broadcast on my iPhone w headphones, one on my big TV and I'm following ya'll on my laptop. Need more ears and eyes. Especially if they keep on getting this landing stuff right. Still got my fingers crossed on second burn and deployment. Too cool. 8)
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?That's a rough estimate.
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?That's a rough estimate.
I've got one broadcast on my iPhone w headphones, one on my big TV and I'm following ya'll on my laptop. Need more ears and eyes. Especially if they keep on getting this landing stuff right. Still got my fingers crossed on second burn and deployment. Too cool. 8)
Already working on it...
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?
how many zillions is a gazillion? ;)
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?
What do you think which types of Halls will SpaceX be looking for to store all these coming first stages ?
shipyard halls , old hangers in Area 51 ?? any suggestions ?
Did that graphic just show "2.3 ZILLION KM"?
Heh! Alan Parry @ampontour
Had to sleep through this one, woke up to very good news. Congrats SpaceX! They should start selling "SpaceX amazing people" and "Fangirl" shirts. Looking ahead to a triple-screen event later this year, but still lots to do before then.Indeed, I had to miss this one too--first F9 launch webcast I've missed, which is a bit of a pity to break, but I had work this morning...still, very pleased it worked out surprisingly well in spite of my absence!
how many zillions is a gazillion? ;)
Wow, that was super ninja, especially with the camera getting overexposed and then black and then .... wham, there's the first stage.
Now that was a hover slam! View from the OSCILY at 8:38 into the flight and the deck is clear and when the smoke clears at at 8:41 the stage is just standing there rock solid.
Arthur C. Clark was right when he said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Congrats, SpaceX!
You all realize they all will not get reflown... ???
I suspect some will be recycled for scrap value...
The one that just landed is likely to be totally parted out to learn everything they can about it...
They burned da chit out of it and it did not crash... goldmine of info to be had as parts in a lab...
Just saying... ;)
Seriously, though - you know how engineering grads get a ring made from the scrap metal of some bridge? Why not update the tradition, and make them out of scrapped SpaceX booster metal?
"Dear Class of 2016, your graduation rings are made out of Flight Metal - metal which has actually flown to space and back."
The carbon fiber could be turned into mousepads. 8)
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.Wow, that was super ninja, especially with the camera getting overexposed and then black and then .... wham, there's the first stage.
They're going to HAVE to work on some sort of autofilter mechanism to catch the whole landing.
Some whackjob's likely to say that they faked the whole landing, simply overexposing the image and then switching the image to another barge with a rocket already standing on it!
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.
i am curious if any chance exist that in the far future spacex will start to sell old flown retired engines to drag racers? imagine breaking sound barrier on the 1 mile race.
Let's not go there. That might dent the bell, delaying reuse.I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.May they trip over a landing leg and face-plant into that engine bell.
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.
You know space is popular again when the "Arrgh my tax dollars"/"We need to end all the world's sufferings first"/"Humankind is a virus Mr Anderson"/"Totally fake, I can replicate that on my casio"/"Goddard lied!" crowd actually bothered to comment in the first place! :D
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water Cannon
"One out of 5 droneships suffer from immature ejection--the difficulty of performing at your best when everyone is paying close attention to you (or things atop of you) not exploding in fire.
"When your droneship suffers stiffening of the rings and problems in performance, there's Dronex."
"WARNING: DRONEX IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. Side effects include paranoia (especially regarding large heavy objects, on fire, falling at hundreds of meters per second towards you), dizziness, a strange swimming sensation, and motion sickness. Dronex should not be taken while you are not at work in the ocean. Dronex is especially proscribed for those who know they are loved or who have read the instructions. Dronex should be taken 1 hour before the possibility of inflamed and exploding deck plates may occur."
"If your droneship is commanded by Blue Origin, consult your patent attorney to see if Dronex is right for you."
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water CannonLet us also shed a tear for the intrepid forces of PadX ... remember those guys? They're doing rather poorly at rocket retention of late
I am convinced that there are people that would tell you it was faked even if they watched it live from the deck of a ship 100 meters off OCISLY in broad daylight, boarded OCISLY immediately after and burned their fingertip on an engine bell.
You know space is popular again when the "Arrgh my tax dollars"/"We need to end all the world's sufferings first"/"Humankind is a virus Mr Anderson"/"Totally fake, I can replicate that on my casio"/"Goddard lied!" crowd actually bothered to comment in the first place! :D
Hey, I know that they landed it YOU know that they landed it, but do THEY know that SpaceX landed it?
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water CannonDo they have Twitter accounts?
I am getting SOOO sick of those type of ****tards - they are EVERYWHERE, spreading like cancer. Some believe the sh1t they're spouting, others are just doing it to get a reaction from space fans. I haven't punched anyone in 30 years but I think that soon, I might get to because I'm participating in a couple events over the coming weeks where I will be doing Space Exploration history presentations in Powerpoint and with models and some terd is bound to mouth off. And one of the biggest problems? When I try to warn some space websites that these people exist and are stepping up their nonsense - my comments or warnings get moderated or deleted away... :( Don't let that happen to you!You just need some mentoring, I hear Buzz Aldrin makes a good mentor on the topic.
Is the technician real or photoshopped though? SSL logos (on stand next to tech and on left side) also appear manipulated. Does this satellite even exist? It would be consistent with the faked landing... perhaps there wasn't even a launch.OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!
Clearly, when the stage tried to "land" and the feed cut out, they just went back to footage of an older stage they'd shot on the barge before. Saying they landed a rocket stage is dumb. Rockets can't land. Don't fall for their lies, sheeple!
(Ew, that felt toxic even in jest).
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!
Clearly, when the stage tried to "land" and the feed cut out, they just went back to footage of an older stage they'd shot on the barge before. Saying they landed a rocket stage is dumb. Rockets can't land. Don't fall for their lies, sheeple!
(Ew, that felt toxic even in jest).
What do you mean land? Rocket's can't even so to orbit because they world is flat!
(And i agree, even in jest that feels wrong, but you can't read youtube comments without running into a few flat earthers aswell.)
I am saddened to see so little appreciation for the true heroes of this launch - Stubborn Stiffener Ring and Enthusiastic Yet Ineffective Water CannonLet us also shed a tear for the intrepid forces of PadX ... remember those guys? They're doing rather poorly at rocket retention of late
What about falcons? Falcons all the way down? :oDown? Shouldn't it be all the way up?
I remember being relayed a facebook comment about how rocket engines are propulsive systems and therefore could only push forward, not slow something down to land.
I remember being relayed a facebook comment about how rocket engines are propulsive systems and therefore could only push forward, not slow something down to land.
I thought we were a plate spinning on top of a pole... You mean Terry Pratchett lied to me?
Is the technician real or photoshopped though? SSL logos (on stand next to tech and on left side) also appear manipulated. Does this satellite even exist? It would be consistent with the faked landing... perhaps there wasn't even a launch.
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!
OMG, you are correct. The light is coming from behind the tech., yet she has a shadow behind her!
Clearly, when the stage tried to "land" and the feed cut out, they just went back to footage of an older stage they'd shot on the barge before. Saying they landed a rocket stage is dumb. Rockets can't land. Don't fall for their lies, sheeple!
(Ew, that felt toxic even in jest).
Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!
I am getting SOOO sick of those type of ****tards - they are EVERYWHERE, spreading like cancer. Some believe the sh1t they're spouting, others are just doing it to get a reaction from space fans. I haven't punched anyone in 30 years but I think that soon, I might get to because I'm participating in a couple events over the coming weeks where I will be doing Space Exploration history presentations in Powerpoint and with models and some terd is bound to mouth off. And one of the biggest problems? When I try to warn some space websites that these people exist and are stepping up their nonsense - my comments or warnings get moderated or deleted away... :( Don't let that happen to you!
I think the SpaceX landing videos are great proof of the fact that we live on a flat earth. Other rockets have been splashing and landing too, but finally we're seeing it in HD. There is no such thing as orbit.
I think the SpaceX landing videos are great proof of the fact that we live on a flat earth. Other rockets have been splashing and landing too, but finally we're seeing it in HD. There is no such thing as orbit.
As we ride on the back of the great turtle! So say we all! 8)
Ever see the RedWarf episode where time runs in reverse? Yeah, just avoid the nearby bushes ;)Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!
Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!
Thank you, Craig. As someone who does customer service for a living, I wholeheartedly embrace the statement "You can fix ignorant, but you can't fix stupid."
Or, as my favorite customer service T-shirt states, "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."
:)
SHEEPLE!!!Because we all know, running video backwards looks so real ;)Also, look how nicely rocket sucks all this smoke into its engines!
<rant>
You can solve ignorance with education, but you can't fix stupid.
The idea that somebody would
- launch a rocket off a platform without any visible means of fueling the rocket
(like the umbilical lines and tanks present at launch sites),
- launch a rocket with one engine off the platform
(as if one engine can even lift a fully fueled stage), while carrying 8 others as useless ballast
- not notice that the stage doesn't have the frosty look of a fueled stage, and that it is has the soot of a returned stage, not the nice paint of a freshly rocket.
- of course there is also the live camera views of the rocket coming into port, being unloaded and trucked out of site and being stored in buildings (etc) so it is still around, versus something that was launched from a platform and then dumped in the ocean.
And if ALL those videos were created to fool people, and played backwards, it would imply that EVERYBODY in the videos that walks around the rocket would have to walk backwards (without looking "behind them") the entire time to not blow the cover on the whole thing!
</rant>
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This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!
And I can tell by the pixels?
/sarcasm
This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.
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This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!
And I can tell by the pixels?
/sarcasm
This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.
Travel of a spacecraft with humans aboard between, e.g. Earth and Moon, is not orbital, as the trajectory takes place at variable distances from heavenly bodies like Earth and Moon (and Sun) all the time ... an n(four)-body problem ... that cannot be solved. The gravity forces acting on the spacecraft in the trajectory vary all the time and speed and direction also vary all the time accordingly, so the 3D trajectory and your position in it cannot be established.
And if you cannot calculate your trajectory, space travel becomes ... difficult. Search Internet about this simple problem and ... you find nothing. Absolutely nothing. Only some simple cases in 2D increasing the distance from the Sun moving from one planetary orbit to another planetary orbit, which has nothing to do with real spacecraft travel. To apply forces on the spacecraft using a rocket engine consuming fuel to proceed towards the target, e.g. the Moon, must be done at the correct location and time in space but ... you do not know where your are.
Gravity assisted kicks are pseudoscience fantasies. The European Xpace Agency, EXA gravity assisted kicks business is another hoax explained further below but I will expand a little with it already here. It is so funny.
How the fast spacecraft in its trajectory manage to encounter the fast planet in orbit around Sun in the first place is not really clear, as you cannot calculate the trajectory of a spacecraft to coincide with the orbit of a planet ... when the two objects are there. How a fast spacecraft in its uncertain trajectory can approach a fast planet in a regular orbit around Sun is not clear. Or how long it takes. What are the trajectories and how do you calculate them? Why doesn't the spacecraft just crash on the planet?
Wrap an ice cold, frozen towel around your head and read above and think about it again! Do you believe that the spacecraft first slows down to 0 m/s speed in opposite direction right and then speeds up while turning 180° around Earth to 70 000 m/s in the direction left apparently still in orbit around the Sun but at more than double speed of Earth. Or does the spacecraft just turn 180° at average speed 40 000 m/s? What is happening? And how long does the spacecraft 180° high speed turn take that increases velocity 7 times. Nanoseconds?
It is suggested that when a manned spacecraft arrives at say 130 000 m altitude with speed >11 000 m/s, suddenly a big force develops out of nowhere up in the sky and slows down the spacecraft. It is suggested that this big force is due only to contact between the spacecraft and air or atmosphere but it is nonsense.
Can a force of 130.900 N (or 13 tons) just suddenly appear out of nowhere up in the sky? It is suggested that this brake force consists of aerodynamic drag and lift but there is no air at 130.000 m altitude to provide any drag and lift. So what can it be? All re-entries are hoaxes!
Elon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.
By June 2015, SpaceX was producing Merlin engines at the rate of four Merlin 1D engines per week, with a total production capacity in the factory of a maximum of five per week. You wonder where all these, >200 new engines/year are used. SpaceX lies about most of its projects and products. You should of course wonder why you build four engines per week when in the end you intend to recover most of the engines.
Propellants are fed from the tanks to engines combustion chambers via single-shaft, dual-impeller turbo pumps operating on a gas generator cycle. Don't ask me how it works. It is all Elon's fantasies.
How the cold gas jets could control the 44 meters long, 50 tons when empty heavy first stage horizontally in space with 55 tons extra liquid propellants sloshing around in the two fuel tanks is a mystery for me as a naval architect.
It is a very big, free weight moving forward/aft in the two tanks affecting the centre of gravity of the rocket. If the first stage tips forward and the fuel flows forward the turbo pump will suck ... gas, the rocket engines' thrust, if any, will be applied in the wrong direction, etc.
The rocket is thus not stable while in horizontal position so you cannot stop the horizontal advance by firing a rocket engine horizontally. The only stable position is with the rocket aiming upwards with all fuel in the bottoms of the tanks. SpaceX has not provided any answers except that all was nominal. Media should ask real questions and not report nonsense. But how do you apply thrust in the right direction at >1.000 m/s speed? Is the rocket really stable?
The only serious space exploration company is little Arianespace, of which I am a share holder, so do not really believe me until you have studied my web page. We only send spacecrafts one way up. They can never return.Phew. Now we know who to invest in!
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This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!
And I can tell by the pixels?
/sarcasm
This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.
A few delectable excerpts...
...QuoteElon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.
I remember one conspiracist blogger who believed suborbital spaceflight was real, but that there is a clear glass sphere surrounding the Earth to hold the atmosphere in, and that the carbon-carbon nose cone and thermal tiles on the Space Shuttle were necessary to melt their way through the glass sphere. ICBMs and re-entry capsules merely punch their way through the glass sphere. Glass found in deserts after lightning strikes? Definitely fallen from space....
This is big money, guys! Orbit is not a real thing but they are making millions convincing you that it is!
And I can tell by the pixels?
/sarcasm
This has me wondering where some people think satellite TV signals come from.
I've had that conversation... apparently the signals are bounced off of the firmament.
On re-entry, the space shuttle heats to 1650 °C at 100 km altitude.The pain, the pain.
For this kind of temperature to occur at 100 km, there must be a lot of something up there to create this amount of friction; and glass fits the bill perfectly… or you can believe the steel-melting temperatures of the shuttle occur because of the compression of a few molecules of air trapped in the shuttle’s shock wave.
Why over 1650 °C?
At what temperature does glass (silicon dioxide) melt? You guessed it… 1600 °C. This is why the underbelly of the space shuttle has to reach 1650 °C in order to melt the glass underneath, so it can fall through and re-enter. If the angle of the shuttle is too shallow, it bounces off the “atmosphere” (read glass) like a skipping stone and goes back into space, which is called skip re-entry.
A smart one, you are! You will go far, young padawan.A few delectable excerpts...
...QuoteElon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.
IFS= International Fake Station? lol
I've seen a lot of doozys but this has to be the best I've ever seen (http://heiwaco.tripod.com/moontravel.htm).
A few delectable excerpts...QuoteTravel of a spacecraft with humans aboard between, e.g. Earth and Moon, is not orbital, as the trajectory takes place at variable distances from heavenly bodies like Earth and Moon (and Sun) all the time ... an n(four)-body problem ... that cannot be solved. The gravity forces acting on the spacecraft in the trajectory vary all the time and speed and direction also vary all the time accordingly, so the 3D trajectory and your position in it cannot be established.
And if you cannot calculate your trajectory, space travel becomes ... difficult. Search Internet about this simple problem and ... you find nothing. Absolutely nothing. Only some simple cases in 2D increasing the distance from the Sun moving from one planetary orbit to another planetary orbit, which has nothing to do with real spacecraft travel. To apply forces on the spacecraft using a rocket engine consuming fuel to proceed towards the target, e.g. the Moon, must be done at the correct location and time in space but ... you do not know where your are.
All emphasis and whatever else he is trying to do is in the original. But remember, boys and girls, trajectory is an UNSOLVABLE problem, therefore you cannot execute any maneuvers in space. Duh, right?QuoteGravity assisted kicks are pseudoscience fantasies. The European Xpace Agency, EXA gravity assisted kicks business is another hoax explained further below but I will expand a little with it already here. It is so funny.
How the fast spacecraft in its trajectory manage to encounter the fast planet in orbit around Sun in the first place is not really clear, as you cannot calculate the trajectory of a spacecraft to coincide with the orbit of a planet ... when the two objects are there. How a fast spacecraft in its uncertain trajectory can approach a fast planet in a regular orbit around Sun is not clear. Or how long it takes. What are the trajectories and how do you calculate them? Why doesn't the spacecraft just crash on the planet?
Wrap an ice cold, frozen towel around your head and read above and think about it again! Do you believe that the spacecraft first slows down to 0 m/s speed in opposite direction right and then speeds up while turning 180° around Earth to 70 000 m/s in the direction left apparently still in orbit around the Sun but at more than double speed of Earth. Or does the spacecraft just turn 180° at average speed 40 000 m/s? What is happening? And how long does the spacecraft 180° high speed turn take that increases velocity 7 times. Nanoseconds?
No one could possibly have any answers!!QuoteIt is suggested that when a manned spacecraft arrives at say 130 000 m altitude with speed >11 000 m/s, suddenly a big force develops out of nowhere up in the sky and slows down the spacecraft. It is suggested that this big force is due only to contact between the spacecraft and air or atmosphere but it is nonsense.
Can a force of 130.900 N (or 13 tons) just suddenly appear out of nowhere up in the sky? It is suggested that this brake force consists of aerodynamic drag and lift but there is no air at 130.000 m altitude to provide any drag and lift. So what can it be? All re-entries are hoaxes!
Well that settles that.QuoteElon Musk/SpaceX sends, in front of large audiences, (December 2015, April 2016) up a rocket in space, where it disappears behind the clouds (as seen on TV), and then Elon Musk/Space X can invent anything about it, e.g. it delivered some satellites in space, while the first stage of the rocket returned and landed again on Earth ... as seen on TV and by large audiences. Hollywood will produce the footage of it or Elon does it inhouse ... prior to the show. Elon Musk's SpaceX has already (November 2015) won a $2.6bn contract with NAXA to send humans and supplies more than 40 times to the fake International Space Station, IFS, so the latter show was just to confirm the earlier one. More about the SpaceX hoaxes below. You cannot do a re-entry from the IFS. You cannot calculate the trajectory! But it is very easy to produce fake footage of it to fool the public.
By June 2015, SpaceX was producing Merlin engines at the rate of four Merlin 1D engines per week, with a total production capacity in the factory of a maximum of five per week. You wonder where all these, >200 new engines/year are used. SpaceX lies about most of its projects and products. You should of course wonder why you build four engines per week when in the end you intend to recover most of the engines.
Propellants are fed from the tanks to engines combustion chambers via single-shaft, dual-impeller turbo pumps operating on a gas generator cycle. Don't ask me how it works. It is all Elon's fantasies.
How the cold gas jets could control the 44 meters long, 50 tons when empty heavy first stage horizontally in space with 55 tons extra liquid propellants sloshing around in the two fuel tanks is a mystery for me as a naval architect.
It is a very big, free weight moving forward/aft in the two tanks affecting the centre of gravity of the rocket. If the first stage tips forward and the fuel flows forward the turbo pump will suck ... gas, the rocket engines' thrust, if any, will be applied in the wrong direction, etc.
The rocket is thus not stable while in horizontal position so you cannot stop the horizontal advance by firing a rocket engine horizontally. The only stable position is with the rocket aiming upwards with all fuel in the bottoms of the tanks. SpaceX has not provided any answers except that all was nominal. Media should ask real questions and not report nonsense. But how do you apply thrust in the right direction at >1.000 m/s speed? Is the rocket really stable?
It's all fake, I tell you!
But there is hope:QuoteThe only serious space exploration company is little Arianespace, of which I am a share holder, so do not really believe me until you have studied my web page. We only send spacecrafts one way up. They can never return.Phew. Now we know who to invest in!
Also nukes do not exist. Just in case you wondered.
boy I opened a can of worms!Just wait until one of these loons turns up in this thread. (Maybe we could talk up L2 as where the folks in on the conspiracy meet..)
We should all make a pact to preface any responses to such poor nuts with:boy I opened a can of worms!Just wait until one of these loons turns up in this thread. (Maybe we could talk up L2 as where the folks in on the conspiracy meet..)
We should all make a pact to preface any responses to such poor nuts with:boy I opened a can of worms!Just wait until one of these loons turns up in this thread. (Maybe we could talk up L2 as where the folks in on the conspiracy meet..)
"Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha...with all due respect, nope."
Then proceed to explain as desired. But getting that preface in ensures we all keep the same high standard of excellence.
And I say this as a former, converted conspiracy theorist. Not of the Moon landing denier variety, mind you, but a pretty damn hopeless one no less.
Don't impugn the Greys by calling them Grays!!!!
We should all make a pact to preface any responses to such poor nuts with:
"Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha...with all due respect, nope."
Then proceed to explain as desired. But getting that preface in ensures we all keep the same high standard of excellence.
And I say this as a former, converted conspiracy theorist. Not of the Moon landing denier variety, mind you, but a pretty damn hopeless one no less.
Don't let the Gray Aliens hear you say that... :D
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
Guys... You're killing me! Please stop!! :) :( I dunno whether to laugh or cry. The kind of excrement you've been parodying and re-posting is literally physically painful to me. The anti-space Conspiracy Sheep nuts I've been battling online for years have - from one extreme to another - either merely called me an idiot for defending space exploration or have actually threatened my life - once in person, here in New Zealand!! I had to shut my Facebook profile and YouTube accounts because of them!! They literally are not funny and need to be taken seriously. They are a very real cancer of ignorance and they are spreading, hopelessly out of control like a wildfire. Nasaspaceflight.com is a haven for me. But I'm afraid I'll have to skip some of the parodies here; they're giving me heartburn! Cheers, Matthew.As I tell my kids ... It's ok,
I knew someone would say something like that to me, but believe me - I do have a sense of humour about all this. It's just difficult, is all. But I take this garbage and the people spouting it seriously and I urge many of you to do the same. And you don't have to lose your mind because of it...Good. And as I said before
Gives a novel twist on the idea of Space Pirates
I don't get it:No webcam... :D
Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
Wow, who was landing rocket boosters on steamboats in 1936? Interesting that they decided to secure it with guy wires instead of the more practical jacks and "shoes" system pioneered by SpaceX. Their targeting algorithms must have been pretty good to avoid hitting the masts.
No webcam? Is that the main reason?Well, it might not be the only reason--there's been a lot more comsats launched than returned stages--but it's not exactly a bad reason. :)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)
No webcam? Is that the main reason?Well, it might not be the only reason--there's been a lot more comsats launched than returned stages--but it's not exactly a bad reason. :)
Personally I'd be fascinated to read as detailed a discussion of the process of checking out the satellite's systems and inserting into its final orbit as we can do on the returned stage, but there's not the ability to stand across a pier and take pictures of the sat. People will post the orbital elements every now and then, which can let us look at its progress towards a final orbit, but it's not like there's a Periscope feed from their control room or something the way some people have had from Port Canaveral.
No webcam? Is that the main reason?Well, it might not be the only reason--there's been a lot more comsats launched than returned stages--but it's not exactly a bad reason. :)
Personally I'd be fascinated to read as detailed a discussion of the process of checking out the satellite's systems and inserting into its final orbit as we can do on the returned stage, but there's not the ability to stand across a pier and take pictures of the sat. People will post the orbital elements every now and then, which can let us look at its progress towards a final orbit, but it's not like there's a Periscope feed from their control room or something the way some people have had from Port Canaveral.
No webcam? Is that the main reason?
No webcam? Is that the main reason?
All is well with the satellite, see updates starting around here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39843.msg1529873#msg1529873
No webcam? Is that the main reason?
All is well with the satellite, see updates starting around here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39843.msg1529873#msg1529873
Without a built-in selfie stick and constant updates of it unfolding it's wings we can not possibly know that is true.
I don't get it:
Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?
I don't get it:
Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?
What is there to say about the satellite itself? As some forum members have commented in the past, it's just a commsat. Beyond reading the press releases about its statistics (transponder type and number) and coverage areas, is there something else to discuss? I'm super stoked to read and discuss space exploration, new science investigation, engineering, etc. But in respect to JCSAT-14, the only thing that holds much interest for me is its launch. So, that's what I have been discussing. Of course, I'm glad to see that the orbit parameters were posted in the Updates thread. But, I'm not reading the SpaceX section because I'm following Sky Perfect JSat corporation. Of course, YMMV and if that's what you're into, more power to you.
And the primary mission is covered. Following mention of successful sat deployment, there is nothing more to say. This is the same for a ULA mission, an ILS mission etc. The difference with those missions is that that is the end of it. Here, we have the stage return and refurb etc to look forward to.I don't get it:
Why is everybody talking about first stage recovery on every mission thread and not about the satellite itself?
What is there to say about the satellite itself? As some forum members have commented in the past, it's just a commsat. Beyond reading the press releases about its statistics (transponder type and number) and coverage areas, is there something else to discuss? I'm super stoked to read and discuss space exploration, new science investigation, engineering, etc. But in respect to JCSAT-14, the only thing that holds much interest for me is its launch. So, that's what I have been discussing. Of course, I'm glad to see that the orbit parameters were posted in the Updates thread. But, I'm not reading the SpaceX section because I'm following Sky Perfect JSat corporation. Of course, YMMV and if that's what you're into, more power to you.
My point is that I thought all mission threads' objective is to cover the primary mission, which is to deploy a satellite into the proper orbit. I completely understand that first stage recovery is a huge topic nowadays, but like the ULA threads, I prefer the primary mission topic. That's all.
By the way, I'm posting my complaints in the party thread because I think it could be removed if I posted on a specific discussion thread and/or update thread. I thought the party thread was the most appropriate place to have my say.
By the way, I'm posting my complaints in the party thread because I think it could be removed if I posted on a specific discussion thread and/or update thread. I thought the party thread was the most appropriate place to have my say.
Complaints in a Party Thread are not appropriate. They are off-topic, unless accompanied by appropriate emoticons and other cues that suggest an attempt at humor.
Besides, it's the "Launch Party Thread!", not the "Satellite Watching Party Thread". Maybe try a search and see if you can find that thread.
:) :)
Besides, it's the "Launch Party Thread!", not the "Satellite Watching Party Thread". Maybe try a search and see if you can find that thread.
:) :)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)
Those coastal mountains have sure eroded a lot in the past 86 years.
So you would vote against providing Darth with a selfie stick?
Plus those beer cans would be awesome. I'd buy beer canned in cans made from F9 first stage metal (if the provenance was clear, as I usually spurn canned beer entirely)
Well.. worst-case, SpaceX can publicly claim they're more "eco-friendly" than the other guys 'cause they pick up at least part of their rocket once they've finished with it rather than leave it sitting on the ocean floor. :)
By burning more hydrocarbons?
Yes, because it take a lot of hydrocarbons, other energy and raw materials to build a first stage, much more than the ASDS and support ships burn recovering one.
To quantify this ...
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/resources/aluminum/pdfs/al_theoretical.pdf (http://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/resources/aluminum/pdfs/al_theoretical.pdf)
says that aluminum production in the US requires 46.48 kWh of fuel energy per kg of Al (includes power generation and transmission losses).
Approximating the first stage as 20000 kg of Al, that is 929600 kWh of fuel energy, or 3346560 MJ. If RP-1 is 44MJ/liter, that is 76000 liters, which at the lowest density for RP-1 (0.8) is about 61000 kg.
First stage total propellant load is something like 400 mT, of which 121 mT is RP-1 at a 2.3:1 O/F ratio. The 10% reserved is then 12 mT which is much less than the 61 mT equivalent burned to produce the aluminum in the stage.
So, even if they just land the stage and melt it down to make beer cans, we are ahead overall vs the energy requirements to smelt aluminum from ore.
Canned beer is fine as long as you pour it into a glass so as to avoid that nasty aluminum rim taste while you drink. I won't drink Guinness out of a bottle but I'll drink it out of a can, thanks to the nitro widget inside.So, even if they just land the stage and melt it down to make beer cans, we are ahead overall vs the energy requirements to smelt aluminum from ore.Plus those beer cans would be awesome. I'd buy beer canned in cans made from F9 first stage metal (if the provenance was clear, as I usually spurn canned beer entirely)
Canned beer is fine as long as you pour it into a glass so as to avoid that nasty aluminum rim taste while you drink. I won't drink Guinness out of a bottle but I'll drink it out of a can, thanks to the nitro widget inside.So, even if they just land the stage and melt it down to make beer cans, we are ahead overall vs the energy requirements to smelt aluminum from ore.Plus those beer cans would be awesome. I'd buy beer canned in cans made from F9 first stage metal (if the provenance was clear, as I usually spurn canned beer entirely)
Dunno how the lithium metal would affect the taste, though.
It's just what America has always needed -- titanium beer cans... :D
I guess I'll control my disappointment if they fly before then, of course, and maybe we'll just make do with a Delta. :)Honestly, while I am a big SpaceX fan and would love to see a launch, if I had to pick between the two I'd rather see a Delta IV Heavy launch. Always been a big fan of that rocket and from a spectacle standpoint you can't really beat it.
I guess I'll control my disappointment if they fly before then, of course, and maybe we'll just make do with a Delta. :)Honestly, while I am a big SpaceX fan and would love to see a launch, if I had to pick between the two I'd rather see a Delta IV Heavy launch. Always been a big fan of that rocket and from a spectacle standpoint you can't really beat it.
Until november ;)Right, a FH should be quite spectacular. Still, I can't imagine it being quite as spectacular; how many launch vehicles do you know that light themselves on fire as they ascend? :D
Until november ;)Right, a FH should be quite spectacular. Still, I can't imagine it being quite as spectacular; how many launch vehicles do you know that light themselves on fire as they ascend? :D
Until november ;)Right, a FH should be quite spectacular. Still, I can't imagine it being quite as spectacular; how many launch vehicles do you know that light themselves on fire as they ascend? :D
All of them?I think you know what I mean :p.
rooting for a slip?
Bite your tongue.
"heyyyy uhh can we borrow that barge when you're through with it" -spacex
Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)
So, in many a thread, this refrain (or the more common version with completely unacceptably genericized branding) is heard:Put a small model motor in one of these:Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)
Does anyone have decent skills (something like a dental drill to open up the middle and chemistry to mix solid propellant) to turn some 1x1 round LEGO elements into segments/stages for some micro-rockets? Maybe add a nose cone and some canted fins for spin-stabilization?
It just seems like it'd be good party material to have some little rockets that *were* LEGO elements. ;D
could be lights? to make the deck look cool?Camera pods for a VR edit of landing footage?
There are no visible wires, pipes or anything else running to these protrusions. If they're electronic, they'd need to be battery-powered and remote-controlled.. Possible but highly unlikely IMO.
So, in many a thread, this refrain (or the more common version with completely unacceptably genericized branding) is heard:Official LEGO Group instructions for a micro scale shuttleRockets are not LEGO elements... :)
Does anyone have decent skills (something like a dental drill to open up the middle and chemistry to mix solid propellant) to turn some 1x1 round LEGO elements into segments/stages for some micro-rockets? Maybe add a nose cone and some canted fins for spin-stabilization?
It just seems like it'd be good party material to have some little rockets that *were* LEGO elements. ;D
Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)
Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)
Everyone come up with your best answer: If Rockets are not LEGO elements, what are they?
(zero points for the tautological answer, rockets are rockets)
what are they?
what are they?
Large kerosene storage tanks, obviously. With turbopumps to transfer fuel quickly and oxygen for medical purposes in case someone accidentally inhales some of the kerosene and burns their lungs.
We seem to be really unlucky, though. They keep exploding and going upward. SpaceX has managed to recover some of the tanks from the explosions, but with such a serious design flaw involved, I can't imagine they'd use them again.
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 1936:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Clermont_replica.jpg)
Steamboat heading to Port Canaveral in 2016:
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10419977_10157418683405131_4350150633819910187_n.jpg?oh=affe373c1b6b05f94eca7f9ad535045a&oe=57E22559)
Those coastal mountains have sure eroded a lot in the past 86 years.
Judging from the hawser off the bow, the lack of evidence of the paddlewheels rotating, and the lack of a wake, I would guess that the '1936 steamship' is anchored. That is a beautiful shot of OCISLY, though. I would like to use it as a wallpaper ;)
Nice comparison but the coast behind the steamboat doesn't look too much like the Cape to me!
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but who is (are) TPTB? Since this is a party thread, am I missing a joke here?
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.
I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but who is (are) TPTB? Since this is a party thread, am I missing a joke here?
In other news TPTB are discussing something momentous. You lot will just have to wait and see what it is.I'm fine with waiting and seeing, but who is (are) TPTB? Since this is a party thread, am I missing a joke here?
I feel I ought to point out that, regarding the landing bingo, all the predictions for a touchdown point would require the F-9 to be significantly off course. It is, after all, a tad more likely that the F9 will land on OCISLY rather than the pictured JRTI, as the latter is three thousand miles from the likely touchdown point. :PSo in other words, assuming a successful landing, you just won!
I feel I ought to point out that, regarding the landing bingo, all the predictions for a touchdown point would require the F-9 to be significantly off course. It is, after all, a tad more likely that the F9 will land on OCISLY rather than the pictured JRTI, as the latter is three thousand miles from the likely touchdown point. :PSo in other words, assuming a successful landing, you just won!
Less than 24 hrs till go time.
It gets good from here on out. I'm liking this 3 week cycle.
Less than 24 hrs till go time.
It gets good from here on out. I'm liking this 3 week cycle.
The dosage isn't ramping up with the dependency. Two weeks, two weeks says I!
Less than 24 hrs till go time.
It gets good from here on out. I'm liking this 3 week cycle.
The dosage isn't ramping up with the dependency. Two weeks, two weeks says I!
Don't get me wrong. 2 weeks would be amazing. I hope we see it get there.
I just mean a consistent 3 is nice. The 'more than a month' stuff is painful.
Edit: If they get to 26 launches a year, they would own how much of the global launch market?
Rockets are not LEGO elements... :)
Everyone come up with your best answer: If Rockets are not LEGO elements, what are they?
(zero points for the tautological answer, rockets are rockets)
Edit: If they get to 26 launches a year, they would own how much of the global launch market?
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes. ;)That's how they make it go faster.
Well, that settles it. Voodoo is the spice the space program has been missing for years.
I have been meaning to do this juxtaposition for a few weeks... (rough based on the people)
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes. ;)
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=40256.0,3Battach=1281492,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wYcTc2ugGI.jpg)
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes. ;)
Please, somebody tell me that's an engine getting reused!!! I want evidence!!
If they were reusing engine, it would be known already officially. No one will sneak this kind of thing in hope no one notices.Why not? I can easily see Elon at the press conference now. "We chose not to announce it beforehand, but this was the first relaunch of a previously used engine, which we identified prior to launch using stripes. We knew we had enough margin for a single-engine landing burn, so..." blah blah blah.
I'm lost, is this actually a real suggestion, that they striped a (reused) engine and might launch with a used engine in place for testing? or are we just having fun...The question is, we have seen 20+ F9 launches and have never seen anything like this. So, what does this mean?
Sure, it is possible. I find it unlikely. I mean sneaking in engine without fanfare, not single-engine reuse. Latter would be in fact good sense - since F9 can afford engine-out, they already have dozen of used Merlins and if contract allows it, why not. Still too early for me, but I could believe it. Sneaking-in, not so much.If they were reusing engine, it would be known already officially. No one will sneak this kind of thing in hope no one notices.Why not? I can easily see Elon at the press conference now. "We chose not to announce it beforehand, but this was the first relaunch of a previously used engine, which we identified prior to launch using stripes.
I'm lost, is this actually a real suggestion, that they striped a (reused) engine and might launch with a used engine in place for testing?I think reusing engine implies it already had qual and rest of required conditions fulfilled.
The Falcon 9. Now with racing stripes. ;)
(http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=40256.0,3Battach=1281492,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.wYcTc2ugGI.jpg)
Please, somebody tell me that's an engine getting reused!!! I want evidence!!
I think Falcon first stages should come with a recycling sign from now on.
Some mutterings about a wayward boat. Might explain why (if) prop loading delayed.
Anybody know the Lat/Lon position of OCISLY?
Damn... there goes my night sleep .. 1 pm now here.. heading to 2.40 PM launch..
Can someone look into his crystal orb and check if it will be a scrub so I can call it a night and go to bed..
Anybody know the Lat/Lon position of OCISLY?
Anybody know the Lat/Lon position of OCISLY?
On Marinetraffic.com it lists the following that looks
like it might be the OCISLY, about 420 NM due east of the Cape.
http://www.marinetraffic.com
"Tugs & Special Craft"
N 28 16" 55.37', W 073 50" 53.29'
Damn... there goes my night sleep .. 1 pm now here.. heading to 2.40 PM launch..
Can someone look into his crystal orb and check if it will be a scrub so I can call it a night and go to bed..
I think you meant AM :D .....
Why can't they just start the hosted webcast at the planned time? I would love to see shots from the SpaceX factory for two hours, and perhaps the hosts run out of things to talk about and start spilling some secrets.
I am just here to report that The SpaceX Scrubs Thread http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36507.0 is ready for action ;D
They scrubbed about one minute after my post!I am just here to report that The SpaceX Scrubs Thread http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36507.0 is ready for action ;D
Jinx. ;D
They scrubbed about one minute after my post!I am just here to report that The SpaceX Scrubs Thread http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36507.0 is ready for action ;D
Jinx. ;D
Not to tempt fate, but the new server upgrades (with added cowbells) felt really good tonight. We didn't really surge, but we had a nice widening of the floodgates with a lot of people around the T-0 delay point. Site coped really well.
Mark says we have a lot more to implement, but that was a good, good start from my chair (I have a screen that shows real time visitations. We got to the level that would have pulled down the site a few years ago. Now it's fine. Trick is to be like this when we're surging harder than ever before, to cope with FH debut, etc.).
They can access the interstage like "tin snips guy" a few years back...Here's the reason from the man...
So how does anyone examine & fix an actuator inside the 2nd stage at this point? It isn't like you can just open the hood or jack it up.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37476.620
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.
Seriously, with some of the stories of the stuff they've done to be able to launch in short order, I'm still amazed that NASA ever agreed to let them near their payloads. That tin snips one always cracks me up.
PS- I don't think it was duct tape, I'm pretty sure he used a zip tie.
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.
Seriously, with some of the stories of the stuff they've done to be able to launch in short order, I'm still amazed that NASA ever agreed to let them near their payloads. That tin snips one always cracks me up.
PS- I don't think it was duct tape, I'm pretty sure he used a zip tie.
What tin snips >?
So that's why they didn't start the webcast: They didn't want us to see a guy climb up the TE, swing over the LOX lines, unscrew a panel on the inter-stage, shove his hand through a hole, whack something with a wrench and then use duct tape to tighten something.
Seriously, with some of the stories of the stuff they've done to be able to launch in short order, I'm still amazed that NASA ever agreed to let them near their payloads. That tin snips one always cracks me up.
PS- I don't think it was duct tape, I'm pretty sure he used a zip tie.
What tin snips >?
I thought the tvc was supplied pressurized kerosene from the fuel turbo pump? If so how do they test motion when the rocket isn't running?
That is first stage, I believe second stage has EMA's
What is EMS?
Or, the weather is so bad, it is a case of progressing to the final hold and then waiting until they can take a death-or-glory run to a potential hole in said weather at the other end of the terminal count.The only thing I saw in that was "glory...hole".
Since we might be waiting a while, could always wander down to EMS to camp and wait for the launch.
EMS is Emergency Medical Services ...
http://www.ems.gov/ (http://www.ems.gov/)
"... but that's not important right now ..."
It's like what Tony Stark said. The best weapon is not the weapon you never need to use. The best weapon is the weapon you only need to use once.It's not a weapon, it's a way to convey
Time to camp out in the party thread waiting for lunch. Seems my last post was deemed too celebratory for the discussion thread.
Next time I will just have to celebrate in the updates thread!
Time to camp out in the party thread waiting for lunch. Seems my last post was deemed too celebratory for the discussion thread.
Next time I will just have to celebrate in the updates thread!
I'm actually fully prepared to watch this launch...
and Joining us.....
God I hope they keep transmitting that camera on S1 while it comes down
I think I should start a speculative business in large-scale storage in Florida. I think demand is growing right now.
That S1 camera footage was a nice surprise. got to see the waffle iron pre-heat and everything. 8)
The sausages keep rolling off the grid on entry.. :(. Need a work-around.... ???That S1 camera footage was a nice surprise. got to see the waffle iron pre-heat and everything. 8)
And I forgot the blueberries and sausage. Could've been a breakfast for the ages at transonic speeds.
That S1 camera footage was a nice surprise. got to see the waffle iron pre-heat and everything. 8)
Just waiting for a full shot of the landed core, and I can update this...
elonmusk: Rocket landing speed was close to design max & used up contingency crush core, hence back & forth motion. Prob ok, but some risk of tipping.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/736320322996076548
elonmusk: Rocket landing speed was close to design max & used up contingency crush core, hence back & forth motion. Prob ok, but some risk of tipping.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/736320322996076548
Go home, Thaicom first stage. You're drunk.
elonmusk: Rocket landing speed was close to design max & used up contingency crush core, hence back & forth motion. Prob ok, but some risk of tipping.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/736320322996076548
Go home, Thaicom first stage. You're drunk.
Send that wasp over to the port camera to polish-up the lens... :)
Congrats SpaceX, Orbcomm, Thaicom...
I've long been puzzled by SpaceX's development and use of the F9 first stage as an Anti-ASDS-Missile-System (AAMS). The terminal approach sequence is decidedly sub-optimal (the final burn should take place with the engines orientated upward, in order to increase, not decrease, impact velocity.)
However... it does make sense in cases where very precise maneuvering in order to hit a small moving target is the goal. Therefor, I'm wondering if the real goal of the AAMS is not sinking ASDSs, but rather going after the infamous wayward boats that often scrub launches? Landing an F9 on a wayward sailboat or two would, after all, be a useful deterrent to future exclusion-area-intruders.
So, they are practicing a sneak attack where they fall out of the sky and land right on top of the captain while he is unsuspectingly walking the deck.
I've long been puzzled by SpaceX's development and use of the F9 first stage as an Anti-ASDS-Missile-System (AAMS). The terminal approach sequence is decidedly sub-optimal (the final burn should take place with the engines orientated upward, in order to increase, not decrease, impact velocity.)
However... it does make sense in cases where very precise maneuvering in order to hit a small moving target is the goal. Therefor, I'm wondering if the real goal of the AAMS is not sinking ASDSs, but rather going after the infamous wayward boats that often scrub launches? Landing an F9 on a wayward sailboat or two would, after all, be a useful deterrent to future exclusion-area-intruders.
The reason you've been puzzled is because it isn't an anti-ship weapon. It's really only been designed as an anti-person weapon. The goal isn't to destroy the ships; ships are valuable. The goal is just to kill the captain and then capture/commandeer the ship. So, they are practicing a sneak attack where they fall out of the sky and land right on top of the captain while he is unsuspectingly walking the deck. Once the captain is crushed, the F9 turns to the rest of the crew and says, "Hey, look at me. I'm the captain now!"
First stage landing (sped up) https://www.instagram.com/p/BF7sxM9QES7/?hl=en
You guys are on to something....
... or just on something.
I'm not sure which.
ZOE: Planet's coming up a mite fast.
WASH: That's just cause I'm going down too quick. (panicky voice, trying to be jovial) Likely crash and kill us all.
MAL: Well, that happens, let me know.
The reason you've been puzzled is because it isn't an anti-ship weapon. It's really only been designed as an anti-person weapon. The goal isn't to destroy the ships; ships are valuable. The goal is just to kill the captain and then capture/commandeer the ship. So, they are practicing a sneak attack where they fall out of the sky and land right on top of the captain while he is unsuspectingly walking the deck. Once the captain is crushed, the F9 turns to the rest of the crew and says, "Hey, look at me. I'm the captain now!"
Was that....an Elon Musk as Han Solo T-shirt?
Landed a rocket on a my barge "I'll Make You Pancakes?" in Kerbal Space Program.
Damn its hard, took about 20 tries, SpX really makes it look easy xD.
Well, it seems that despite SpaceX's recent string of success in landing attempts, there are still some skeptics about the viability of the whole approach. And the shape of the earth...
Whatever you do, don't read the comments on the Youtube page with the recent stage 1 full reentry video. They are infested with flat-Earthers and other conspiracy theorists who insist that the video must be fake. I made the mistake of reading them for 10 minutes. That's 10 minutes I will never get back.
Well, it seems that despite SpaceX's recent string of success in landing attempts, there are still some skeptics about the viability of the whole approach. And the shape of the earth...
Whatever you do, don't read the comments on the Youtube page with the recent stage 1 full reentry video. They are infested with flat-Earthers and other conspiracy theorists who insist that the video must be fake. I made the mistake of reading them for 10 minutes. That's 10 minutes I will never get back.
I suggest they arrange a private viewing event for these skeptics, on the barge. ;)Moon is a Harsh Mistress reference FTW!
Was that....an Elon Musk as Han Solo T-shirt?
Yes, it was. And in all of this excitement, I can't believe this isn't getting more coverage! I want one!
Was that....an Elon Musk as Han Solo T-shirt?
Yes, it was. And in all of this excitement, I can't believe this isn't getting more coverage! I want one!
I think it is Han(s) Koenigsmann on this cool shirt.
Whatever you do, don't read the comments on the Youtube page with the recent stage 1 full reentry video. They are infested with flat-Earthers and other conspiracy theorists who insist that the video must be fake. I made the mistake of reading them for 10 minutes. That's 10 minutes I will never get back.
I just chalk it up to expert-level trolling and try see the humor in it. I don't let it get me too bent out of shape. L. Ron Hubbard said “you don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” Likewise, you don't get 836,943 views on YouTube congratulating SpaceX for a job well done. And in any case, any one of us could probably write a far more persuasive script with our eyes closed.
btw, why is the forum software correcting Pad-X (when written without the dash) to just Pad?not me! It just bit me too. I'll ask Chris...
Is that a practical joke from some of the mods, or some auto-correct gone haywire?
here it comes!!(Edit: by the way this a representation of Vasco de Gama)
Chris banned it years ago when one SpaceX launch was severely delayed and 5000 party thread pages later it had become a meme that had gone to Mars and back several times to many.btw, why is the forum software correcting Pad-X (when written without the dash) to just Pad?not me! It just bit me too. I'll ask Chris...
Is that a practical joke from some of the mods, or some auto-correct gone haywire?
Four stages returned. Three won't refly. SpaceX fans:
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/18/21/enhanced/webdr02/anigif_enhanced-2178-1434676529-2.gif
So it's kinda what I do when I buy a bunch of "parts cars"... to restore "one"... ;DFour stages returned. Three won't refly. SpaceX fans:
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/18/21/enhanced/webdr02/anigif_enhanced-2178-1434676529-2.gif
What is it you wish to imply? Stage recovery was never the end of the road to reuse, but rather a big step towards it. In my opinion, it's a minor miracle that SpaceX believes they have a booster in good enough condition to reuse some of the parts already.
Four stages returned. Three won't refly. SpaceX fans:
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-06/18/21/enhanced/webdr02/anigif_enhanced-2178-1434676529-2.gif)
Four stages returned.Is this sound of goalposts moving? I guess naysayers always will have some reason to complain, eh?
Three won't refly.
I just hope this F9 knows to wait for the crane and not use those landing legs....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT77Y2ShTEdvCfBez6/giphy.gif)
Asimo from Honda has managed that task already 10 years agoWatch that first step, it's a doozy!! :o
I just hope this F9 knows to wait for the crane and not use those landing legs....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT77Y2ShTEdvCfBez6/giphy.gif)
What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?Like this?? 8)
It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?Like this?? 8)
It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-james-dean
Fishing out an HD vid is always worth it over 144p. ;D
Fishing out an HD vid is always worth it over 144p. ;D
Surely, you're not alleging that a lyric video is an improvement over the original music video. Even if it's old and ugly video, you can't top the wonder that it is. Still, I'll give you it could be better, so for a slightly better quality version, likely all you'll get from an old SD music video, here you are:
Smoking.. Nah, Falcon's are vaping like all the cool kids..What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?Like this?? 8)
It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-james-dean
Yes, exactly! Even down to the cigarette... the F9 has, after all, been seen smoking.
Don't those thing tend to explode?? :oSmoking.. Nah, Falcon's are vaping like all the cool kids..What's all this stuff about the F9 on OCISLY leaning?Like this?? 8)
It's not leaning, it's merely reposing at a rakish angle.
http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-james-dean
Yes, exactly! Even down to the cigarette... the F9 has, after all, been seen smoking.
Don't those thing tend to explode?? :o
Lets hope our "leaning Falcon with an attitude" doesn't come to that!! ;)Don't those thing tend to explode?? :o
Shoddy wiring plus lithium polymer battery packs equals explosion hazards.
At last, I can update this. By this time next year, I expect his face to not even be visible anymore behind all the cores.You're assuming they will still have all those cores and the barge defense system will not have taken a few out.
Starting the party in this party thread.
Uh, I think it was fairly obvious that was meant as a joke...I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?
Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)
Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!
Because SpaceX managed to do something faster, somehow they're amateurs. Oh they don't have a lot of fat in their schedules. They don't accept putting some padding in just in case.
I my opinion it just shows how serious they are about fulfilling their manifest.
Because SpaceX managed to do something faster, somehow they're amateurs. Oh they don't have a lot of fat in their schedules. They don't accept putting some padding in just in case.Uh, I think it was fairly obvious that was meant as a joke...
I my opinion it just shows how serious they are about fulfilling their manifest.
I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?
Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)
Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!
I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?
Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)
Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!
I unreservedly agree! Also, SpaceX still has a ways to go yet; they've yet to demonstrate the ability to slip a schedule simultaneously left and right. Also, they're utterly incapable, so far as I know, of slipping left a greater number of days than the T-count.
Also, I can't help but note, they're way behind on re-usability. They've yet to turn around an F9 for reuse, but Chris Bergin, in far less time (I assume?) created this reusable thread, and has already turned it around for reuse! :o
[...]nice 3-body problem animation[...]Oh well, now I live in fear of an asteroid passing close to the moon and being slingshotted in a random direction, thankyouverymuch.
I thought this was scheduled for late June? It's now June 14th?
Did we just see a schedule slip to the left, rather than the right? If so, that's the first time I've ever seen that, from anyone. 8)
Another sign of how amateurish SpaceX is. Schedule slips left and right!
I unreservedly agree! Also, SpaceX still has a ways to go yet; they've yet to demonstrate the ability to slip a schedule simultaneously left and right. Also, they're utterly incapable, so far as I know, of slipping left a greater number of days than the T-count.
Also, I can't help but note, they're way behind on re-usability. They've yet to turn around an F9 for reuse, but Chris Bergin, in far less time (I assume?) created this reusable thread, and has already turned it around for reuse! :o
NASAspaceflight's endgoal of thread reuse has been happening for months. We're ahead of the curve!
NASAspaceflight's endgoal of thread reuse has been happening for months. We're ahead of the curve!
Still somewhat unproven. We do not know how many launches a single party thread can handle. I'm sure there is eventually a limit. 10 launches? 20? we'll have to wait and see...
NASAspaceflight's endgoal of thread reuse has been happening for months. We're ahead of the curve!
Still somewhat unproven. We do not know how many launches a single party thread can handle. I'm sure there is eventually a limit. 10 launches? 20? we'll have to wait and see...
We'll probably need a full teardown about every 10 launches or so...
AIUI, thread currently have a useful life of 500 posts. So, if they locked it down and started a second thread, it would not really be reusable.
To really make ir reusable they should create and Party Archive Thread and move the first 500 (after the opening post) posts to the Archive Thread. That would really make it the first reusable thread from a strictly technical point of view.
Yes, I use 50 post per page so I never recall what's the relationship to new threads. But there's still a practical limit and I propose to actually reuse this thread by moving older posts to an archive thread. That would be a truly reusable thread.AIUI, thread currently have a useful life of 500 posts. So, if they locked it down and started a second thread, it would not really be reusable.
To really make ir reusable they should create and Party Archive Thread and move the first 500 (after the opening post) posts to the Archive Thread. That would really make it the first reusable thread from a strictly technical point of view.
That is unnecessary, we are already at 600+ posts in this thread and it is working fine. Unless you meant pages? I think I remember seeing a 400+ page thread, and I know the last thread for barge stalking got to 300+ pages.
(20 posts per page)
This thread is starting to look a little sooty and singed around the edges. ;)
You see a picture of the world's largest boom box and think, Silly Elon, in space no one can hear the "music"* that thing will be cranking out during the post launch party.
Clearly, until the insurers are on board we'll be reusing party threads only for low value payloads...
Aw, we can re-use this party thread. Just replace its grid fins and legs ......
Ooops...
Aw, we can re-use this party thread. Just replace its grid fins and legs ......
Ooops...
I find the idea of replacing of "party legs" intriguing, and assume they are fancier legs than those on the Falcon 9.
😀😀🎉🎉😎😎
Soooo....are we still calling this collecting or do we call it hoarding and organize an intervention?
While these launches are lower in altitude than similar events from Elon Musk’s SpaceX, it seems DARPA is only looking to launch satellites, not deliver payloads to the International Space Station.
While these launches are lower in altitude than similar events from Elon Musk’s SpaceX, it seems DARPA is only looking to launch satellites, not deliver payloads to the International Space Station. For those purposes, Blue Origin seems like the player to beat here, especially when assisted by the folks at Boeing."
While these launches are lower in altitude than similar events from Elon Musk’s SpaceX, it seems DARPA is only looking to launch satellites, not deliver payloads to the International Space Station. For those purposes, Blue Origin seems like the player to beat here, especially when assisted by the folks at Boeing."
Based on the context of that statement, it sounds like the author thinks space is just about altitude and that satellites don't fly as high as the ISS. Someone should suggest he write an article about how SpaceX could be more efficient if the launched straight up rather than curving to the east.
With a sufficiently overpowered rocket, you could launch straight up directly into a heliocentric orbit, no? Wouldn't exactly be useful for much of anything, but not physically impossible...
XKCD What-if, I think.https://what-if.xkcd.com/28/
If anyone puts a steak in a hypersonic wind tunnel to get better data on this, please, send me the video.
Was it wait but why or mythbusters who investigated "re-entry roasting" as a cooking method?
Sadly, what they figured was that, although the meat surface would be burned to cinders, the heat-conduction in frozen beef is way too low to roast - or even just thaw - the steak in the center in the short time it spends at hypersonic speeds.
Long story short, although the cows might have forgotten all about reentry, they - in fact - would be covered - by an all natural carbon ablative TPS ;)
Might sting a bit though ;)
Edit: Then, come to think at it again, the way the folks at Mc Gregor like their Merlin-roasted steaks anyway is black crisp on the outside and bloody in the middle. So they should be fine. Don't call the BBQ off yet!
Do we know if the metallic or composite fairing is being used? Previous Orion satellites have used the metallic (Titan) one.
I would say metallic
Given what seems to many of us to have been damn-near heroic efforts to secure this stage before it went (almost literally) walkabout off the deck into the Atlantic, it seems to me that those guys (and/or gals!) deserve some kind of hard-earned group praise for their efforts these last couple months and continuing, and they've certainly earned a nickname to wear with pride from onlookers like us as we watch and discuss their work.
Reposting from another thread. NSF'ers, if we can name threads for each mission (or used to), we can do this also:Quote from: Herb SchalteggerGiven what seems to many of us to have been damn-near heroic efforts to secure this stage before it went (almost literally) walkabout off the deck into the Atlantic, it seems to me that those guys (and/or gals!) deserve some kind of hard-earned group praise for their efforts these last couple months and continuing, and they've certainly earned a nickname to wear with pride from onlookers like us as we watch and discuss their work.
So, what say you? And let's go heroic or historic and not so much slapstick on this one, eh?
Reposting from another thread. NSF'ers, if we can name threads for each mission (or used to), we can do this also:Quote from: Herb SchalteggerGiven what seems to many of us to have been damn-near heroic efforts to secure this stage before it went (almost literally) walkabout off the deck into the Atlantic, it seems to me that those guys (and/or gals!) deserve some kind of hard-earned group praise for their efforts these last couple months and continuing, and they've certainly earned a nickname to wear with pride from onlookers like us as we watch and discuss their work.
So, what say you? And let's go heroic or historic and not so much slapstick on this one, eh?
Go Searcher is on the move!
Also ELSBETH III is back on the map, it hasn't been for the last few days.
Elsbeth III is hooking up to OCISLY to go on station for recovery. GO GO's are loading up and prepping as well. ;D ;D 8)
Sadly, what they figured was that, although the meat surface would be burned to cinders, the heat-conduction in frozen beef is way too low to roast - or even just thaw - the steak in the center in the short time it spends at hypersonic speeds.
Well at least noone's reported a fireball so at least the rocket is still there I guess :)
Well at least noone's reported a fireball so at least the rocket is still there I guess :)
I'm hearing a song...
...or maybe a poem ;D
edit: sorry Chris... forgot for a moment you're a Brit :P
Well at least noone's reported a fireball so at least the rocket is still there I guess :)
I'm hearing a song...
...or maybe a poem ;D
edit: sorry Chris... forgot for a moment you're a Brit :P
Don't we all remember Nigel Smithson's famous words upon alighting from the famed lunar module, Pigeon?
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/-xzPjjTLYfZA/UACCfCzoDVI/AAAAAAAAaG8/tdzISyIXWMQ/Ministry%252520of%252520Space%252520%2525232%252520-%252520p%2525C3%2525A1gina%25252027_thumb%25255B7%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800)
Don't we all remember Nigel Smithson's famous words upon alighting from the famed lunar module, Pigeon?
Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!
:o
Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!
:o
They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!
Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!
:o
They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!
Forget the groin. He has TOE SOCKS!
Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!
:o
They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!
Forget the groin. He has TOE SOCKS!
Yes, but -- in the universe portrayed, QE II is a ruthless old bat -- she made her lunar astronauts amputate one of their toes on each foot!
Looking at that suit, they must get kicked in the groin a lot!!
:o
They've gone there to play a symbolic game of cricket, obviously!
Forget the groin. He has TOE SOCKS!
Yes, but -- in the universe portrayed, QE II is a ruthless old bat -- she made her lunar astronauts amputate one of their toes on each foot!
Well, of course!
You DO know that a size 10 US shoe is only a size 8 in British?
http://www.zappos.com/c/shoe-size-conversion
2) Note the hand position of the salute being rendered to the flag.
I was going to suggest that these kinds of things belong in the party thread...
Then it dawns on me....
wait. this is the party thread!!!
duh!
I was going to suggest that these kinds of things belong in the party thread...
Then it dawns on me....
wait. this is the party thread!!!
duh!
2) Note the hand position of the salute being rendered to the flag.
Occam's razor dictates that he is in fact a Navy man.
Ya'll do know there's a launch this morning?
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though...
Elon getting Hawthorne pumped up... 33 seconds in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s)
1:18 in and they are doing an impression of the sea state for the ASDS ;D
Elon getting Hawthorne pumped up... 33 seconds in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLxpMyh13g?t=33s)
1:18 in and they are doing an impression of the sea state for the ASDS ;D
They don't need American cheerleaders to get crowds going. :P
Ya'll do know there's a launch this morning?
Well, either that or one hell of a Viagra commercial.
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though...
I would be one of those, yes. Sought out some divine guidance for this flight and found a most unusual but confident lot of churchmen to assist.
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though, so I think this launch (if it goes today) will be a bit more low key.
Hmm... I pulled up the Technical Broadcast, and I hate to tell y'all, but it says I am one of... wait for it... nine whole people watching the countdown clock.
Hmm... I pulled up the Technical Broadcast, and I hate to tell y'all, but it says I am one of... wait for it... nine whole people watching the countdown clock.
There's over 2,600 people watching YouTube. I find it works better than the Livestream feed, especially at 1080p.
The side-effect of calling real engineers to fill in PAO positions is that they make interesting mistakes....
"This satellite we are launching is Eutelsat 117WB because we launched 117WA last year....." Er nope, that's 115WB and 117WA was launched by that Russ....er DC-based LSP in 2013 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/03/ils-proton-m-launch-satmex-8/)......
"......and the other one's is ABS-2A and we launched ABS-2 last year too....." Er nope again, that's ABS-3A and ABS-2 was carried by that Paris based LSP in 2014 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/02/ariane-5-eca-launches-abs-2-athena-fidus/).....
;)
Personally, I'd rather have people who know the ins and outs of the rocket than people who might give better speech.The side-effect of calling real engineers to fill in PAO positions is that they make interesting mistakes....
"This satellite we are launching is Eutelsat 117WB because we launched 117WA last year....." Er nope, that's 115WB and 117WA was launched by that Russ....er DC-based LSP in 2013 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/03/ils-proton-m-launch-satmex-8/)......
"......and the other one's is ABS-2A and we launched ABS-2 last year too....." Er nope again, that's ABS-3A and ABS-2 was carried by that Paris based LSP in 2014 (https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/02/ariane-5-eca-launches-abs-2-athena-fidus/).....
;)
I suggest that some of the former ULA PAOs take over for the engineers in the near future.
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though, so I think this launch (if it goes today) will be a bit more low key.I couldn't find a link to the technical stream this time...is it always the same link?
Currently watching the countdown clock on the youtube stream! Judging by the number of guests/members online 90 mins from launch, there's plenty who know. Most American will probably be at their jobs though, so I think this launch (if it goes today) will be a bit more low key.I couldn't find a link to the technical stream this time...is it always the same link?
Alas, Core Twenty-Six!! We knew him well.
Alas, Core Twenty-Six!! We knew him well.
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly
We've all been used to this acronym; am I right?
Unfortunately, the actor blew his closing monologue.Alas, Core Twenty-Six!! We knew him well.
*Stage Direction*
While delivering the above line, character 'High-capacity Material Lift Erected Tower' (HaMLET) raises scorched octaweb to darkly clouded night sky as flickering, yellow spotlights illuminate it from below.
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly
We've all been used to this acronym; am I right?
Doesn't mean we can't tweak it. Maybe Relatively Unrecognizeable Debris?
For Lar;
Why NASA sent 3 defenseless Legos to die on Jupiter
http://www.presstelegram.com/science/20160611/why-nasa-sent-3-defenseless-legos-to-die-on-jupiter
Lar, thoseLegosLego Elements on that probe are surely exceedingly valuable, and would make an excellent addition to your collection. You should go and save them - and the good news is, you've got 3 years to do it in.
;)
If it was still the 1970's it would be Rapid Unplanned Disco!
Let's get this party started!
elonmusk: Turns out the landing was not as fast we thought, but still hard enough to destroy the primary airframe and accordion the engines
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/743602229307805696
For Lar;
Why NASA sent 3 defenseless Legos to die on Jupiter
http://www.presstelegram.com/science/20160611/why-nasa-sent-3-defenseless-legos-to-die-on-jupiter
Lar, thoseLegosLego Elements on that probe are surely exceedingly valuable, and would make an excellent addition to your collection. You should go and save them - and the good news is, you've got 3 years to do it in.
;)
Steve Jurvetson
11 hrs ·
and the cool new flown display in the board room
QuoteSteve Jurvetson
11 hrs ·
and the cool new flown display in the board room
Note that with this chair design, a simple drop of the seat and the occupant easily slides into the shark tank.QuoteSteve Jurvetson
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and the cool new flown display in the board room
Are these the actual chairs from Dr. Evil's secret mountain lair?
Just to be clear (for future readers of this thread), that is obviously a printed wallpaper of this very picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/23985921532/QuoteSteve Jurvetson
11 hrs ·
and the cool new flown display in the board room
Guys! I have figured out how SpaceX plans on generating tons and tons of methane on Mars to refuel their boosters for the Mars-to-Earth leg of the MCT architecture.
The evidence has literally been under our noses for quite a while, now. SpaceX has even released a number of pictures (without the explanatory text, of course, that would tell us their plans). I even found one to attach here.
Below is a picture illustrating a test of the deployment of the Mars methane ISRU system. Note how SpaceX is cleverly using several parts of their architecture here -- amazing how they can use rocket engine technology to aid in the deployment phase.
:D
Watch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com.
On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster.
As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen.
Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy.
Gradatim Ferociter!
Jeff Bezos
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him. Although it might not be the real board room.Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo. It's way too small.
No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him. Although it might not be the real board room.Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo. It's way too small.
Its a wallpaper, look at the top edge of the stage, it has the same background as the photo, the white dots.
So, that was a false alert, sorry everybody. I thought it was real and i even compared it with the same Flickr photo in order to confirm it was the OG2 stage :D
And the trimming is imprecise. The lights from the hangar are visible but the carrying ring to the left is cropped.No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him. Although it might not be the real board room.Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo. It's way too small.
not to belabor this, but it isn't a cropping issue, look at the top left of the picture and you see the ceiling is suspended below the lights in the room. almost like a false ceiling. so the wallpaper probably shows the whole ring, but because of that feature in the room you cannot see it from that angle.And the trimming is imprecise. The lights from the hangar are visible but the carrying ring to the left is cropped.No, I'm pretty sure that the actual hardware behind him. Although it might not be the real board room.Either Jurvetson is a giant, or it's a photo. It's way too small.
It's a photo.
BLIZZARD WARNING:
FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER
THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD WARNING FROM 0313U ETERNAL CLOCK TO 1123U FOR ALL NINE CIRCLES ON THE INFERNAL PLANES. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF DIS.
ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM SHOULD SEEK THE NEAREST SHELTER, SUCH AS THE NEAREST POOL OF LAVA OR VOLCANIC FISSURE. IF YOUR TORTURE FACILITIES ARE ON HIGHER GROUND, LEAVE THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEEK HOTTER SHELTER.
THIS HAS BEEN A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTERQuoteWatch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com.
On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster.
As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen.
Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy.
Gradatim Ferociter!
Jeff Bezos
BLIZZARD WARNING:
FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER
THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTER HAS ISSUED A BLIZZARD WARNING FROM 0313U ETERNAL CLOCK TO 1123U FOR ALL NINE CIRCLES ON THE INFERNAL PLANES. THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF DIS.
ALL THOSE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM SHOULD SEEK THE NEAREST SHELTER, SUCH AS THE NEAREST POOL OF LAVA OR VOLCANIC FISSURE. IF YOUR TORTURE FACILITIES ARE ON HIGHER GROUND, LEAVE THOSE LOCATIONS AND SEEK HOTTER SHELTER.
THIS HAS BEEN A LIVE BROADCAST FROM THE CELESTIAL WEATHER CENTERQuoteWatch the fourth flight of the same New Shepard hardware this Sunday. Liftoff is planned for approximately 10:15 am ET and the live webcast starts half an hour earlier at 9:45 am ET at www.blueorigin.com.
On this flight, we’ll intentionally fail one string of parachutes on the capsule. There are three strings of chutes and two of the three should still deploy nominally and, along with our retrothrust system, safely land the capsule. Works on paper, and this test is designed to validate that. We’ll also use this flight to continue pushing the envelope on the booster.
As always, this is a development test flight and anything can happen.
Watching a rocket launch (and rocket landing!) might add a little extra fun with the kids on Father’s Day -- enjoy.
Gradatim Ferociter!
Jeff Bezos
Errr.... Shouldn't that be the 'Infernal Weather Center'??? I mean Heaven isn't the one freezing over, after-all. ;)
There's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right. And, in this case I would love to be wrong. It would be so much better for all of us.
Again, it is not a hardware problem. There is a way, just reduce the target orbit or payload mass. It is real easy. Spacex just pushed the envelope too far.
The spacecraft were placed in a super synchronous transfer orbit of 62,750km. GSO is at 42,164 km. So Spacex could come down a few hundred/thousand miles to provide more propellant margin in the first stage and the spacecraft would still be happy. It would only reduce the spacecraft extended life by a few months
Since people are still not understanding this is a margin and not a lack of performance issue. I have an analogy.
A spacecraft is comparable to a new car and it weighs about 5500kg. Lets call the car the 5.5.
The F9 is comparable to a car carrier truck.
GSO is the car's final destination (home)
GTO is the car dealership location
Super-synchronous GTO is a location between the dealership and home
The car is to be delivered to the dealership with a full tank of gas, which allows it to get home and then have a enough for 10 years of operation. (just work with me on this, since GSO spacecraft don't get refueled)
So Carx has designed the F9 car carrier to deliver the 5.5 from the factory to the dealership with the car carrier having enough fuel to return back to the factory.
The F9 car carrier has just come out and it is going through its test phase. It is doing some test runs and it is going to carry cars to make revenue. It just so happens that there are no 5.5s that need to be delivered but there are some 4.1, 3.2, 4.7, etc available. Delivering these spacecraft to the dealership and returning the carrier to the factory will be no problem, just that there will be more than enough fuel left.
Carx, being customer friendly, has offered to deliver these smaller cars to destinations in between home and the dealership. This way the customer will able to save some fuel and add few more years to the car's life after it gets home. Carx has done some analysis and has figured out the waypoints to deliver the cars to and allow for the F9 car carrier to return to the factory with just slightest amount of fuel left. Carx figures that will maybe lose some car carriers during this test period due to working out the margins. A few may come up short on fuel and not make it back to the factory. Carx is ok with this since they can produce car carriers cheaper than other one way car carrier producers and they are leader in trying to make reusable car carriers.
Carx could just deliver the cars just to the dealership and work on returning the car carriers and figure out the margins but they rather work with their customers on where they want to be dropped off
I didn't want to add noise to the original thread, but I wanted to declare this the "Best Car Analogy in a Rocket Discussion." Ever.There's always the hope that someone finds a way to improve the process without having to substantially change the hardware, but you are right. And, in this case I would love to be wrong. It would be so much better for all of us.
Again, it is not a hardware problem. There is a way, just reduce the target orbit or payload mass. It is real easy. Spacex just pushed the envelope too far.
The spacecraft were placed in a super synchronous transfer orbit of 62,750km. GSO is at 42,164 km. So Spacex could come down a few hundred/thousand miles to provide more propellant margin in the first stage and the spacecraft would still be happy. It would only reduce the spacecraft extended life by a few months
Since people are still not understanding this is a margin and not a lack of performance issue. I have an analogy.
A spacecraft is comparable to a new car and it weighs about 5500kg. Lets call the car the 5.5.
The F9 is comparable to a car carrier truck.
GSO is the car's final destination (home)
GTO is the car dealership location
Super-synchronous GTO is a location between the dealership and home
The car is to be delivered to the dealership with a full tank of gas, which allows it to get home and then have a enough for 10 years of operation. (just work with me on this, since GSO spacecraft don't get refueled)
So Carx has designed the F9 car carrier to deliver the 5.5 from the factory to the dealership with the car carrier having enough fuel to return back to the factory.
The F9 car carrier has just come out and it is going through its test phase. It is doing some test runs and it is going to carry cars to make revenue. It just so happens that there are no 5.5s that need to be delivered but there are some 4.1, 3.2, 4.7, etc available. Delivering these spacecraft to the dealership and returning the carrier to the factory will be no problem, just that there will be more than enough fuel left.
Carx, being customer friendly, has offered to deliver these smaller cars to destinations in between home and the dealership. This way the customer will able to save some fuel and add few more years to the car's life after it gets home. Carx has done some analysis and has figured out the waypoints to deliver the cars to and allow for the F9 car carrier to return to the factory with just slightest amount of fuel left. Carx figures that will maybe lose some car carriers during this test period due to working out the margins. A few may come up short on fuel and not make it back to the factory. Carx is ok with this since they can produce car carriers cheaper than other one way car carrier producers and they are leader in trying to make reusable car carriers.
Carx could just deliver the cars just to the dealership and work on returning the car carriers and figure out the margins but they rather work with their customers on where they want to be dropped off
Party On.
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it ;)I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it ;)I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...
I wonder why they left out CRS-3.
So that's the Tesla Model 3 delivery plan. Bad Jim for leaking it ;)I think it's actually the Tesla Model M[ars] delivery plan. The delivery charge to Mars though will be slightly more than cost of the vehicle. Especially with the 100km battery trailer option...
AKA the Red Tesla. 8)
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads.Which is the Party Thread.
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads.Which is the Party Thread.
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads.Which is the Party Thread.
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads.Which is the Party Thread.
My bad, I had two windows open and got my threads mixed up.
Carry On.
Can we stay on thread please and kee the comic book speculation in appropriate threads.Which is the Party Thread.
My bad, I had two windows open and got my threads mixed up.
Carry On.
Isn't it time to open a special party thread for the CRS-9 launch? I'm thinking of "Hope this ring will make it up to you" for a title.Just because Eutelsat expended its core doesn't mean we have to expend this thread. :)
Isn't it time to open a special party thread for the CRS-9 launch? I'm thinking of "Hope this ring will make it up to you" for a title.Mission-specific party threads, except perhaps in special cases, are a thing of the past.
Isn't it time to open a special party thread for the CRS-9 launch? I'm thinking of "Hope this ring will make it up to you" for a title.Mission-specific party threads, except perhaps in special cases, are a thing of the past.
Sooo... for CRS-9...
Instead of landing bingo, is it going to be 'Ring Toss'?
At least we can be fairly sure the stage won't walk far after landing.
I hope.
I think a lord of the rings reference might be appropriate as long as we didn't use it up for the CRS 7 launch.
"Delivering one ring to dock them all... again"
I think a lord of the rings reference might be appropriate as long as we didn't use it up for the CRS 7 launch.
"Delivering one ring to dock them all... again"
Soaron, the pay-Load of the the ring?
I know others have asked for 'dislike' buttons... but in this case, can we get a 'GROAN' button? ;)
On the other hand, it would probably get used against me... extensively! 8)
I know others have asked for 'dislike' buttons... but in this case, can we get a 'GROAN' button? ;)
On the other hand, it would probably get used against me... extensively! 8)
Silly me, I thought it was the mod button.
the like button IS the groan button in a party thread.
Just saw this around the interwebs today and couldn't really think of another place to put it, I'm half expecting the guy is a forum member.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19mnsxcgjR0
Yes, but can it be re-fueled on the barge and fly back to the launch site?
Yes, but can it be re-fueled on the barge and fly back to the launch site?
SpaceX seems to approve.🚀
SpaceX @SpaceX
Not bad, little off-center ;)
https://twitter.com/spacex
Balancing that broomstick has some merit, though.
Musk's response to this video is "cute!" ... I'm not sure what to think of that.Yes, but can it be re-fueled on the barge and fly back to the launch site?
SpaceX seems to approve.🚀
SpaceX @SpaceX
Not bad, little off-center ;)
https://twitter.com/spacex
Not sure if SpaceX is or is not envious that the failures do not tip over and...explode.
Not sure if SpaceX is or is not envious that the failures do not tip over and...explode.It has Lithium Ion batteries, of course it can explode... ;)
Balancing that broomstick has some merit, though.
That's some feedback loop to keep that thing stable. Impressive.
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......
Ummm... one whole RUD free year for launches, but as for other RUDs (such as during landing), OCISLY and JRTI would beg to differ... :P
So with the downtime for this upcoming weekend in honor of us 'Muricans telling the British where exactly they can shove their Monarchy (apologies to Chris B), will the SpaceX employees have the opportunity to conduct extensive independent testing of the Auto FTS features of Tubular Glass Directed Low Altitude Solid Rockets? I know California tends to frown on such things, but are Texas or Florida any more amenable with such tests? Any forum members have any suggestions on testing methodology? I hear adding rubber band affixed strap on boosters can make for more exciting FTS events....
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......
So with the downtime for this upcoming weekend in honor of us 'Muricans telling the British where exactly they can shove their Monarchy (apologies to Chris B),
And now we can now celebrate 1 whole RUD-free year for SpaceX! :)
Here is for another such year, and another after, and another after.......
Speaking of RUD and things that use grid fins. Do you know what else uses grid fins?
The MOAB (Mother Of All Bombs) made by the U.S. Air Force, 9 m long, 10,000 kg.
IMHO, the Soyuz capsule has grid fins on the payload fairing that extend immediately after a launch abort.I believe that is more than just your opinion ;).
You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!
You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!
You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!
Would that make Bezos' "big brother" rocket a BOAR?
You mean, it would be totally legit for us to say that SpaceX is using "MOAR BOOSTERS!" to get to Mars?You're 5 years late to the MOAB party... ;)Would the BFR be the mother of all rockets? MOAR!
You mean, it would be totally legit for us to say that SpaceX is using "MOAR BOOSTERS!" to get to Mars?MOAR BOOSTERS using engines designed for MOAR THRUST!
Just got accepted into my second lifetime NASA Social Media group, for CRS9. (Was also at CRS6.) At 63, I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest Social Media rep they've had. We'll get a couple of days of behind the scenes interviews and tours, and should be at the pre-launch press conference. Last time, somebody on the bus of 50 of us in the group summed it up perfectly: "Best 5th Grade Field Trip EVER!"Your sign is blocking the view of the rocket!!!
I was in a permanent state of awe and amazement, as a space nut for 57 of my years.
Anybody wants to get together for a beer when I'm not in KSC, hit me up. My wife is also going, since it's our 43rd anniversary, even though she can't be in the Social Media group. We have four other days to hang out. But the negotiations for this were.......delicate. :-)
With the CRS-9 mission, SpaceX will have launched more Dragon's (11) than NASA did Gemini's (10). Okay one Dragon launch failed. But one Gemini was sub-orbital, also. ;DUnless you're getting super technical, Dragon needs this flight and the next one to pull ahead. The Gemini 2 capsule (suborbital, on purpose) was reflown as "Gemini B" for the MOL project, so that's 11.5 successful flights for Gemini.
Then SpaceX would have to fly a sub-orbital DragonSpaceX will be flying a sub-orbital Dragon - the in-flight abort test! So they get to tick that box off... as long as we're not too demanding of how "sub" orbital it is.
You mean, it would be totally legit for us to say that SpaceX is using "MOAR BOOSTERS!" to get to Mars?MOAR BOOSTERS using engines designed for MOAR THRUST!
Luna 20 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_20Actually, there have been unattended rocket launches from a planetary body. The Soviet lunar sample return missions.
Thanks, wasn't aware of that. Need to look it up now!
Somehow the Gemini 2 capsule got dumped off in to a suborbital trajectory while the mol stand in went into orbit.
You're some kind of wise guy, aren't you?Most of us probably qualify for Mensa? But ya, let's think about being back on topic again, secure in the knowledge that our posts will be safe from deletion if we do.QuoteYeah, duh, but you're confusing "intelligence" and "IQ".
How did the CRS-9 discussion turn into a Mensa meeting?
That would be the intelligent choice.
OK seriously. Done.
Service announcement:
Here in the party thread, snarky comments and irony are actually welcomed and encouraged. So if someone finds their creativity (rightly) curtailed in the serious business threads, they can bring their enormous intellects, humor and innuendo home.
...and now back to your regularly schedule program...
Not sure how well, a baggie of catnip will go over with him.......... ;DAnyone that thinks the next SpaceX rocket after FH is a 15 meter, 15 million Lbf rocket is on some good stuff.
And we intend to share it with you. I'll send you a baggie.
After all, it'll help get you that moon base you've always wanted.
Just because something is unbelievable doesn't necessarily mean impossible or unlikely, although it may mean a reprioritisation of an individual's belief system. That might be mine, that might be yours. Either way, we'll know for sure this year.
Hahahahahaha.... x∞ .... Oh God, that's brilliant.
If you had me in any more stitches, I'd need a surgeon. Thank you for enhancing my afternoon! ;D
That would be the intelligent choice.You're some kind of wise guy, aren't you?
And yeah, NASA launched 12 Gemini capsules, two of which were unmanned and one of which (Gemini 2) was sub-orbital. Only ten of them were manned, but since none of the Dragons have been manned, you're not comparing apples to apples.
And yes, as was pointed out, Spacecraft 2 was re-flown by the Air Force in the MOL test flight, so while 12 separate Gemini capsules were flown, one was flown twice. There were 12 Gemini capsule orbital insertions among 13 launches. Twelve of the launches were on Titan II launchers and one was on a Titan-IIIC.
Just to be nitpicking and technically correct... ;)
Somehow the Gemini 2 capsule got dumped off in to a suborbital trajectory while the mol stand in went into orbit.Transtage fired during the ascent to put the Gemini into a suborbital trajectory to Ascension Island. After Gemini separation, Transtage fired again to reach a 77 x 168 nmi transfer orbit. It fired a third time at first apogee to put MOL and itself into a 160 x 162 nmi x 32.86 deg orbit. Or something like that.
SpaceX provided these photos of engineers and technicians loading the International Docking Adapter into the trunk of the Dragon spacecraft for launch to the International Space Station. Known as IDA-2, the docking ring is tailored to the international docking standard for future human-rated spacecraft and is outfitted with sensors and instruments designed to accommodate new spacecraft carrying astronauts to the orbiting laboratory. There is a lot more to the IDA story and you can read about it here: http://go.nasa.gov/2a9xpTN
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway... :-\
Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)
SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before... :-X
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway... :-\
Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)
SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before... :-X
+1
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway... :-\
Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)
SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before... :-X
+1
This neuroticism is off topic in a party thread; particularly on launch day. ::)
The party pooper thread is over there. ;)
In the interests of this being a party thread, Friday's xkcd is appropriate:
http://xkcd.com/1707/
(don't forget to read the mousover text)
I wonder if the SpaceX feature on the phone can be modified to also do RTLS, that may be more useful :P
I think this mission has everyone on edge a bit... does me anyway... :-\
Everything leading up to launch has been perfect... weather is perfect...
Another IDA hangs under the Dragon...
Last time we were "here" things went "all wrong"... (CRS-7)
SO yes... I'm sitting here watching the clock... but worried...
Party mood?... ONLY if all goes well... (including the landing)...
Not before... :-X
+1
This neuroticism is off topic in a party thread; particularly on launch day. ::)
The party pooper thread is over there. ;)
Okay, I've had my mission peanuts -- honey-roasted Planter's. Just looked at a video of the last mostly-successful ASDS landing (the one that went walkabout on the deck), have the technical webcast loaded in a separate browser window and have NASA TV coming in, in beautiful high definition, on the main 48" HD TV at the near end of the room, showing Earth views.Phsaw, here on the west coast, the night is still young. I'm getting ready to take my pork shoulder off my smoker after its been on it since 8:30 this morning.. Gotta let it sit for a bit, then I'll shred it, add some BBQ sauce and make myself a nice samich and open a local beer just in time for launch.
And I'm two hours early.
C'mon, guys, we need to get some life into this party, if for no other reason that to keep each other awake while awaiting the launch... :)
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk
IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them
Wow, heard a sonic boom here in Orlando just a few minutes ago.
Wow, heard a sonic boom here in Orlando just a few minutes ago.
That's just the "Falcon 9 returning after a mission" sound effect.
Updates - in here.
One post of congrats - per tradition - in here.
Discussion (including discussion of updates) - in the discussion thread.
Random whooping - Party Thread.
Simples ;D
Doh! Now SpaceX has to find another parking space for a used booster. ;D
Catch a Dragon! (Wondering if Pokemon is banned here, haven't seen this posted :) )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwyA367LfaY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwyA367LfaY)
Apparently a few months old but I just saw it.
The most interesting man in the world retires....to Mars. Stay thirsty my friends.
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk
IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them
Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...
:D
I do see the similarity!This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk
IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them
Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...
:D
Is it just me or did the three engine burn look like the eye of Sauron?
Is it just me or did the three engine burn look like the eye of Sauron?
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.
Elon Musk is Sauron.
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.
Elon Musk is Sauron.
This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk
IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them
Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...
:D
One Booster To Launch Them AllI do see the similarity!This mission does have a serious payload which may put us in a funk
IDA
One ring to dock them all
And in the darkness bind them
Don't worry -- they're taking it up to the top of Mt. Doom, where it will be melted into the cauldron of the PMA...
:D
Is it just me or did the three engine burn look like the eye of Sauron?
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.Actually, I think that would make him Morgoth.
Elon Musk is Sauron.
Clearly, the evidence speaks for itself.Actually, I think that would make him Morgoth.
Elon Musk is Sauron.
Mars 2020 rover mission to cost more than $2 billionQuoteNASA’s next flagship Mars mission, the Mars 2020 rover, moves into its next phase of development, agency officials say the mission will cost $2.1 billion, more than originally estimated for a mission that they argue will also be more capable than first planned.
http://spacenews.com/mars-2020-rover-mission-to-cost-more-than-2-billion/
Mars 2020 rover mission to cost more than $2 billionQuoteNASA’s next flagship Mars mission, the Mars 2020 rover, moves into its next phase of development, agency officials say the mission will cost $2.1 billion, more than originally estimated for a mission that they argue will also be more capable than first planned.
http://spacenews.com/mars-2020-rover-mission-to-cost-more-than-2-billion/
Well, assuming the MCT starts flying in 2021 as announced, by 2026 Mars 2020 Rover will have good chances to find Life on Mars. Is it not worth a billion or three?
Barber landing is 15% lower.
Don't get Elon mad again. It's a "drone ship," not a barber. ;)
Hmmm -- wonder if a red-and-white-spiral-striped pole would help those marginal landings succeed? Just might be the thing that shaves the day ... ;D
Mars 2020 rover mission to cost more than $2 billionQuoteNASA’s next flagship Mars mission, the Mars 2020 rover, moves into its next phase of development, agency officials say the mission will cost $2.1 billion, more than originally estimated for a mission that they argue will also be more capable than first planned.
http://spacenews.com/mars-2020-rover-mission-to-cost-more-than-2-billion/
Well, assuming the MCT starts flying in 2021 as announced, by 2026 Mars 2020 Rover will have good chances to find Life on Mars. Is it not worth a billion or three?
If Hubble is operable, there will researchers trying to get time on it: outdated or not, it's better than anything on the ground.
No, it's not better than anything on the ground. (1) AO has improved a lot. (2) New wide-field cameras on e.g. Subaru are insane.
Can't we can still suggest party name thread names just for entertainment value?
They will never be used, but this is what keeps us occupied during the LONNNNGGGG wait between launches.
Gee, it's quiet in here.
I guess even the people who were following these flights avidly just a few months ago are now jaded -- this is just getting too routine, I guess.
I dunno, I can't ever get enough of this. So, I must be one of the craziest of the crazy... :)
just me or spacex link really struggling? yes just the funky music atm, but sound is really distorted
just me or spacex link really struggling? yes just the funky music atm, but sound is really distorted
No Internet service at home; I'm setting up shop at the McD's up the street. Free refills on the $1 Coke. I'm good to go until the laptop battery dies... :/
Now it is "Landing Attempt" instead of "Experimental Landing".
Gee, it's quiet in here.I'm just glad that NBC finally got around to showing us West Coast folks Michael Phelps last race before launch time...
I guess even the people who were following these flights avidly just a few months ago are now jaded -- this is just getting too routine, I guess.
I dunno, I can't ever get enough of this. So, I must be one of the craziest of the crazy... :)
It is still on fire.
SpaceX is rapidly running out of storage space! What a problem to have, amiright? 8)
Time to bring out the blow torches and cut some cores down to size :o ;D
SpaceX is rapidly running out of storage space! What a problem to have, amiright? 8)Souvenir sized pieces and sell them in the gift shop? :)
Time to bring out the blow torches and cut some cores down to size :o ;D
SpaceX is rapidly running out of storage space! What a problem to have, amiright? 8)Souvenir sized pieces and sell them in the gift shop? :)
Time to bring out the blow torches and cut some cores down to size :o ;D
Any other kerbal players see that orbital map and keep trying to change the view/zoom out?Lol, all the time!
Wow, CJ, I'm sorry to hear that natural disaster is hitting so close to home, there. Best wishes on a speedy recovery from the damage.
I could use a party. My sister's family's house and the apartment there I just finished building for my parents are now underwater (they had to use one of my PaddleBR canoes to get out). We're watching my girlfriend's parents' house to see whether they'll need to evacuate. I'm pretty sure a large number of coworkers and friends are awash as well. My sister has flood insurance, of course, even though she wasn't supposed to even be in the 100-year flood zone, and I should be able to do an even better job drywalling the second time in two months, right? :PDifficult to imagine what you folks are going through unless you experienced it first hand. Family members, friends being safe, photo memories and mementos are really the only important things, the rest is just "stuff"... Stay strong, pick-up and rebuild it's what "we" do best! :)
(I paddled the Comite River just north of town last week, hitting multiple sandbars due to the normal low water level. It's up 33'/10m since Thursday or so. The Amite River already blew through its all-time record, and it's still rising. To give a sense of perspective here in flat south Louisiana, my house in the high mid-city part of Baton Rouge is at 55' above MSL, and my girlfriend's house, which has never come close to flooding, is about 25' above MSL in the SE part of town, so a river up 33' is a big deal.)
To make this tangential to spaceflight, there are now no roads (including I-10 and I-12) open heading east from Baton Rouge, so I can guarantee there will be no SpaceX stage transports going through here for at least several days. ;) And if anyone has ever wanted to tear out drywall, insulation, carpet, etc., have I got a once-in-a-century opportunity for you! ;D
just me or spacex link really struggling? yes just the funky music atm, but sound is really distorted
Congrats SpaceX and a gold medal for successful launch, deployment, and recovery. I've lost track of how many S1 cores have been recovered to date.
Wow, CJ, I'm sorry to hear that natural disaster is hitting so close to home, there. Best wishes on a speedy recovery from the damage.
Thanks. I'm going to have to have a party-as-live later, as I'm (thankfully) still at my girlfriend's parents' place. We sent her parents to safety, and we've been working against the water, trying to keep at least one house "dry". Still touch and go, but we haven't failed yet.
If the second derivative of water level by time ticks ever so slightly toward our favor, we still have a chance that we just might win (at least mostly). 8)
I think it is awesome that SpaceX successful returns are slipping lower and lower in the article. No longer in the heading, now a sentence at the bottom of the first paragraph, eventually to take it's place alongside "A 747 did not crash today".. Impending mundanity is exciting! :)
Congrats SpaceX and a gold medal for successful launch, deployment, and recovery. I've lost track of how many S1 cores have been recovered to date.No worries, Elon is just going to stack them like "cords of wood"... Then he can bundle the for sale prices... ;D
Congrats SpaceX and a gold medal for successful launch, deployment, and recovery. I've lost track of how many S1 cores have been recovered to date.No worries, Elon is just going to stack them like "cords of wood"... Then he can bundle the for sale prices... ;D
Just check avHerald. You are correct,... the 737 and a320 family account for the bulk of today's incidents.
...eventually to take it's place alongside "A 747 did not crash today".. Impending mundanity is exciting! :)
Being pedantic, Kevin... in aviation, "incident" and "accident" are very specifically defined. A crash would never be defined as an "incident."Well to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.
Carry on with the party.Just check avHerald. You are correct,... the 737 and a320 family account for the bulk of today's incidents....eventually to take it's place alongside "A 747 did not crash today".. Impending mundanity is exciting! :)
Well to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.
QuoteWell to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.
Which was at fault; the pilot, or the brick building?
QuoteWell to carry on, the last "crash" of a 747 was in 2013 when a pilot took a wrong turn on a taxi-way and clipped a brick building.
Which was at fault; the pilot, or the brick building?
LOL -- "it's your call ..." ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5LZnCGVO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd5LZnCGVO0)
Be excellent to each other...Follow the link to my "head-canon" image of Lar in this circumstance:
I could do worse than to be compared to George Carlin. A very wise man...Be excellent to each other...Follow the link to my "head-canon" image of Lar in this circumstance:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096928/mediaviewer/rm3389293568
The real reason that we can’t have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post ‘Thou shalt not steal,’ ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery,’ and ‘Thou shalt not lie’ in a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment.
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
I'm guessing that one of them starts with "Scrub" and ends with "X"
;D ;D
I had an Eggo for breakfast, actually, not sure what you lot are getting on about...Sounds like a good breakfast. Leave them to be obtuse about whatever it is. If it's important you'll piece it together eventually...
And I suppose when a Falcon 9 punches a hole in a barge, it's the barges fault ;)
And I suppose when a Falcon 9 punches a hole in a barge, it's the barges fault ;)
Not always, but usually. After all the ASDS is quite notorious for heading into posted maritime exclusion zones.
And I suppose when a Falcon 9 punches a hole in a barge, it's the barges fault ;)
Not always, but usually. After all the ASDS is quite notorious for heading into posted maritime exclusion zones.
You are right, it's the SpaceX fan's fault for encouraging such risky behavior in the Party Thread!
Disclaimer: Barges, don't try this in an exclusion zone. May lead to loss of uplink, rough seas, flames, burns, punctures, explosions, and and chance of sinking.
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
Only in that combination... "Please" (and thank you) are definitely encouraged...So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
"Please explain that in more detail Jim"
you can say those words, but the answer will most likely be....So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
"Please explain that in more detail Jim"
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
I had an Eggo for breakfast, actually, not sure what you lot are getting on about...Rockets are not waffle elements!
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
"Pad Exploration Technologies?"
But you could make great waffles with those grid fins! Heck with a rocket lunches, lets talk breakfast!
But you could make great waffles with those grid fins! Heck with a rocket lunches, lets talk breakfast!
I really want to see what tons of butter and maple syrup, spread thickly over the grid fins, looks like during the high-heating portion of the stage entry... :D
But you could make great waffles with those grid fins! Heck with a rocket lunches, lets talk breakfast!
The sausages are easier; that's what the post-landing burn we've been seeing is for.
I would just like to point out that grid fins would make reverse waffles.They double as molds for ISWIC: in-situ waffle-iron casting.
So Lar, what are the seven words we can't say on NSF?
"Pad Exploration Technologies?"
I was aiming at the top of the hour, but a post one second early triggered the preview thing and cost me a second.
I was aiming at the top of the hour, but a post one second early triggered the preview thing and cost me a second.
::)
I was aiming at the top of the hour, but a post one second early triggered the preview thing and cost me a second.
::)
Had a few guesses queued up but the preview post thing totally got me.. and CHRIS had picked my favorite right away, so I was messed up from the beginning. (and his last name doesn't even start with "L" he should have picked a spot in row "B") ;-)
Personally, they should have a lottery for each spot. You put in for the spot you want, after say an hour of collecting names, a name is drawn out of a pot, and the rest sent into the flame trench. Any open slots after an hour are free game.
Simple rules, that or we could be civilized and have a dual over each spot, say twenty paces.
Personally, they should have a lottery for each spot. You put in for the spot you want, after say an hour of collecting names, a name is drawn out of a pot, and the rest sent into the flame trench. Any open slots after an hour are free game.
Simple rules, that or we could be civilized and have a dual over each spot, say twenty paces.
Yeah, this isn't very fun for people who don't obsessively follow the bingo discussions. It's the same with real bingo, lotteries and sweepstakes; you enter and get what you've got, rather than get the choice to pick the most plush spots just by being in the right place at the right time with respect to the competition starting.
SES-10 reflight noted!!I apparently missed all the naming fun, but had I been there, I'd have to have spoken up about there being an *obvious* sign issue with the nomenclature. It's not "23-1", of course. It's obviously "23+1"! ;D
The notation, discussed at great length in the prior thread, will be (23-1), for "Core 23 First Reflight". Not very negotiable.
... if the *propellant* isn't reused, the launcher is *obviously* expendable. I mean, *way* more than 90% of the launcher's mass is expended, so how can you ever fathom calling it reusable? ;D
...
Placing a formal request for a special party thread with the nameAnd afterward, we can relaunch "The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Launch Party Thread +1" ;D
"SES-10: Launch, Land and Relaunch Party Thread"
This is a historic launch and deserves its own party thread.
On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+ Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really. Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher. :DMost reasonable definitions of expendable require that you're willing to throw the thing away after a single use. Re-use is not a requirement of non-expendable. If they're trying to get it back, it's not expendable regardless of what they do with it afterward. IIRC Jim himself has said that SpaceX is not taking contracts for nonrecoverable S1. So... F9-S1 is NOT an expendable booster.
On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+ Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really. Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher. :DMost reasonable definitions of expendable require that you're willing to throw the thing away after a single use. Re-use is not a requirement of non-expendable. If they're trying to get it back, it's not expendable regardless of what they do with it afterward. IIRC Jim himself has said that SpaceX is not taking contracts for nonrecoverable S1. So... F9-S1 is NOT an expendable booster.
Also note that New Shepherd is not reusable; it is merely re-flyable. You have to actually use it for something for it to be reusable.
From the Manifest Destiny, er, make that Updates and Discussion thread:I saw that and was coming here to suggest that as long as a rocket discards those self-adhesive rain/dust covers it's clearly expendable! I can't remember what they are called which is really frustrating.
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On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+ Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really. Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher. :D
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Too bad we don't name individual party threads anymore. SES-10 could be "Dragging the Goalposts to Space and Back..." And then we could have pages of debate as to whether the F9 S1 makes it to "space" or not. :)
Placing a formal request for a special party thread with the nameSo just when we get around to re-using a stage the reusable party thread gets tossed. No wonder L2 is so expensive, going through expendable threads like this...
"SES-10: Launch, Land and Relaunch Party Thread"
This is a historic launch and deserves its own party thread.
"The Partially and Not-Too-Long Once-Reused Launch Party Thread"? Nah...just doesn't have the right ring to it.
From the Manifest Destiny, er, make that Updates and Discussion thread:I saw that and was coming here to suggest that as long as a rocket discards those self-adhesive rain/dust covers it's clearly expendable! I can't remember what they are called which is really frustrating.
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On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+ Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really. Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher. :D
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Too bad we don't name individual party threads anymore. SES-10 could be "Dragging the Goalposts to Space and Back..." And then we could have pages of debate as to whether the F9 S1 makes it to "space" or not. :)
We'll be having standalone party threads for major launches, such as FH and that the reused booster flight.
I've done very late picks plenty of times, and I enjoyed every single game that ended up with a winner. ;D
From the Manifest Destiny, er, make that Updates and Discussion thread:I saw that and was coming here to suggest that as long as a rocket discards those self-adhesive rain/dust covers it's clearly expendable! I can't remember what they are called which is really frustrating.
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On a completely different but equally entertaining topic, I couldn't help but note elsewhere that the reusable vs. expendable discussion had taken a *completely* unexpected and *absolutely*, *utterly* unforeseeable turn.+ Not only is a rocket not reusable until it's actually been reflown, but if the second stage is not reflown, the rocket's still expendable, really. Oh, and just in case, if the fairing isn't reflown? Yep, expendable launcher. :D
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Too bad we don't name individual party threads anymore. SES-10 could be "Dragging the Goalposts to Space and Back..." And then we could have pages of debate as to whether the F9 S1 makes it to "space" or not. :)
We'll be having standalone party threads for major launches, such as FH and that the reused booster flight.
Puts a damper on the day.
Anyway, it's time for Elon to kick ACME out of its supply chain
Anyway, it's time for Elon to kick ACME out of its supply chain
"This is the last time we order launch umbilicals from Amazon!"
Alternate take: The 'bird' that comes in to frame before the conflagration was actually a laser-equipped Prime delivery drone.
Hmm.It's always a scrambled staging sequence for me.
So you wanna blame this on the Kraken? Or lack of struts?
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.Just some "hanging chad"...
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.No, to me its really obvious what the cause was. Ya see, rockets normally have fire coming out the bottom. In this case the fire started from the top. Ya can't have that. See, there's your problem!
If so, some moderator guidance would be appreciated...
Too soon?
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
Hey, easy on the Florida jokes. Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.
OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
Hey, easy on the Florida jokes. Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.
OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.
Do you have any idea what the weather was at CCAFS area during the event? I've been searching in vain to find it.
I'm especially interested in any lightning or thunderstorm activity within 30 miles.
The storm wasn't heading that way. The rain was in a line from off our coast here in Tampa towards Jacksonville. It was heading towards the panhandle. I didn't see radar until after that time, and no storms looked to be in the area then.
"Too soon?" is a punchline. If we can't smile wryly at this, that's sad.If so, some moderator guidance would be appreciated...
Too soon?
The storm wasn't heading that way. The rain was in a line from off our coast here in Tampa towards Jacksonville. It was heading towards the panhandle. I didn't see radar until after that time, and no storms looked to be in the area then.
Thanks!!!
BTW, I hope you aren't in the path of the hurricane. If you are, take care and be safe.
I blew up.
I have been reading all of the speculation, theorys and watching a ton of slow motion videos of a lucky bird flying by the rocket. I have studied this from every angle possible and consulted all of my in the know people and I have figured out, with 100% certainty what went wrong.
I blew up.
After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
Hey, easy on the Florida jokes. Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.
OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.
I think I've found the culprit. Our prior theories were wayward. ;)
We still have election day coming up... ;)After reading the discussion, it seems to me the cause is obvious. It was Florida's fault. After all, SpaceX clearly said there was an anomoly in Florida. Therefore it had nothing to do with the rocket, just the surrounding state.
Hey, easy on the Florida jokes. Some of us moved here because of the weather.....which, um,....errr.....actually sucks today.
OK, go ahead, make Florida jokes.
I have figured out, with 100% certainty what went wrong.
I have been reading all of the speculation, theorys and watching a ton of slow motion videos of a lucky bird flying by the rocket. I have studied this from every angle possible and consulted all of my in the know people and I have figured out, with 100% certainty what went wrong.
I blew up.
You did? Oh, that had to hurt. On the other hand, had you known ahead of time, you could have done it (*real* good!) on Farm Film Report ...
;)
See, I got it all figured out...
Y'see, Spacecom had huge problems, and AMOS-6 was a dead bird, would've never activated on orbit. They set it to fire a rifle shot down into the second stage to blow up the booster, so they can collect on the maritime insurance. With the payload destroyed, no one can inspect it, y'see.
It was all an insurance scam...
...obviously just kidding. But with all the black humor in this thread, I figured it couldn't hurt... ;)
I did some CSI work and was able to get a clearer picture of the Bird...Are you sure about that? Looks like a Cylon raider to me which makes sense given Musk's AI work.
Sure looks like a Romulan 3 man fighter... Where is the Enterprise when you need them...
After reviewing the footage...
After reviewing the footage...
Shoot, somebody forgot to add the "No Smoking" sign to the side of this one...
I think I've found the culprit. Our prior theories were wayward. ;)
Confirmed that a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 based Cubesat was aboard the F9.
Well I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that we've had speculation posts! ;)
Ok, only joking, of course there was always going to be speculation, but that's why we have this thread and keep the update thread on the pure info. The value with sites like this is the speculation tends to be at the very least educated and we have a ton of industry folk who can field such posts and provide context or correction. See, I told you the internet wasn't all bad!
However, what I would say is "NO, for the love of God, NO!" to posts that link tabloids (like the Daily Star) claiming the F9 was killed by UFO-deployed kamikaze birds, or whatever. Let's shun such nonsense.
Bottom line is something went wrong with the rocket's second stage and rocket went boom. We'll find out what in due course, but hopefully I'm not overstepping my mark by confirming it was not aliens.
Oh and be civil with each other. Arguments make moderator Carl cry (sorry Carl ;D).
As you were.... :)
Finally identified that pesky bird...Ah, the same bird that pecked at the Shuttle ET... ;D
Some things belong in the party thread... (follow the quoted postings to see the pictures)So, it's certainly not a MARMAC sibling, but it's still interesting to see a barge moving about on dry land.
Ooo.. a (very rare) Land Barge! ;D
(I know that was decidedly NOT helpful.. just couldn't resist)
view of recovery vehicles on site
I've looked at it over and over, and there is only one thing that it resembles -- a phaser set to overload.
And, hey, look what it shows on the TEL at very high magnification and image enhancement...
However, what I would say is "NO, for the love of God, NO!" to posts that link tabloids (like the Daily Star) claiming the F9 was killed by UFO-deployed kamikaze birds, or whatever. Let's shun such nonsense.
Bottom line is something went wrong with the rocket's second stage and rocket went boom. We'll find out what in due course, but hopefully I'm not overstepping my mark by confirming it was not aliens.
Well THAT didn't take long!
https://m.sputniknews.com/science/20160904/1044960563/ufo-alien-rocket-elon-musk.html
I've looked at it over and over, and there is only one thing that it resembles -- a phaser set to overload.
And, hey, look what it shows on the TEL at very high magnification and image enhancement...
I KNEW a cat had to somehow be involved!
I'm surprised. I've checked the last 8 pages. No link yet to the famous philosopher Pitbull.
Fireball!! ta tata tatata...
The code does not always remain intact.No, there is no parallelism. The programmers still have intact computers, keyboards and monitors. Also their code also remains intact.A problem I'm told many programmers are famiiar with.Anyone think that, if a root cause does not present itself, SpaceX will take another page out of the Silicon Valley playbook?
"Attempt to replicate the bug?"
The problem is that there are a nearly infinite number of ways to make a rocket explode, and much of the hardware was completely destroyed. The T/E and much of the GSE will have to be rebuilt from scratch, and once you've done that if you fail to replicate the explosion, how do you know if the flaw was some hidden defect or failure in the now-destroyed GSE or some rare fault caused by a still-present design flaw?
I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;Well at one point someone was trying to track the birds in the video thinking they where a drone that collided with the rocket. So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9? Would they spontaneously combust in a O2 rich environment? May the initial flash is just KFC ;)
What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.
So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?African or european ?
I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;Well at one point someone was trying to track the birds in the video thinking they where a drone that collided with the rocket. So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9? Would they spontaneously combust in a O2 rich environment? May the initial flash is just KFC ;)
What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.
I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;Well at one point someone was trying to track the birds in the video thinking they where a drone that collided with the rocket. So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9? Would they spontaneously combust in a O2 rich environment? May the initial flash is just KFC ;)
What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.
If birds do spontaneously combust (after all, it is cold, so they might fluff their feathers, increasing the surface area significantly), and you used a bird of prey (a Falcon?), could you make an engine by injecting a stream of them into an oxygen-rich environment? What would you call that type of engine?
I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;
What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.
I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;
What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.
If it did, that would be a clamity ... ;)
There is Blue Origin of course, but that is only an interesting program to me if it is really a stealth program for something else. The up front goal is tourism and a few minutes of weightlessness for super rich, right? Nah. Don't care.
I was originally going to post this in the wild and wacky thread, but due to the responses it might understandably generate, I thought it might be better here;
What if the F9 or GSE was hit by a clam falling from above? Seagulls in the area are known to break open clams by flying them up to high altitude and dropping them on hard surfaces. So, could a clam (which has pointy edges) at terminal velocity have caused a leak, such as in a RP1 umbilical? It's very far-fetched, but that alone does not mean it's impossible.
If it did, that would be a clamity ... ;)
If someone can invent a machine that would freeze me in perfect stasis until the cause is found....I might pay good money for it? (Han Solo's carbonite?)
That would be handy for a lot of things that you're waiting endlessly for (a trip to Mars, the perfect spouse, etc) LOL ;D
As a note. We are not going to impugne competitors of SpaceX. When I say no motive, I mean it. Even in the party thread because that stuff isn't funny.
(the bird with a lunch motive? ok, fine. but ULA? Nope)
My big reason for liking the lox condensation is the fit.
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Ever wish there was a "reply in the party thread" button?
From the Wacky Theories thread:My big reason for liking the lox condensation is the fit.
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My reason for liking LOX is that it tastes great.. particularly with a nice onion bagel toasted to perfection.. with melted butter and cream cheese...
My reason for liking LOX is that it tastes great.. particularly with a nice onion bagel toasted to perfection.. with melted butter and cream cheese...
That's quite the, er, caper you came up with.My reason for liking LOX is that it tastes great.. particularly with a nice onion bagel toasted to perfection.. with melted butter and cream cheese...
Finally, a wacky theory I can get behind: SpaceX was trying to reduce their sodium intake and as a result their LOX tank went Nova.
It's Friday! You always dump bad news on Friday! Why hasn't SpaceX announced the root cause today?
So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?African or european ?
So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?African or european ?
Are they carrying coconuts?
So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?African or european ?
Are they carrying coconuts?
So how much damage could a fully laden seagull do to a Falcon 9?African or european ?
Are they carrying coconuts?
No. A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
It's Friday! You always dump bad news on Friday! Why hasn't SpaceX announced the root cause today?
That would be good news. When is the day for good news? When is Elon's (or Gwynne's) birthday? Or maybe he's going to hold off till the end of the month to say: first of, we've found the root cause, we're going to rent pigeon-homing rockets from -insert competitor- and we'll RTF on november 1st. Now for our spacecraft to Mars...
It's Friday! You always dump bad news on Friday! Why hasn't SpaceX announced the root cause today?
That would be good news. When is the day for good news? When is Elon's (or Gwynne's) birthday? Or maybe he's going to hold off till the end of the month to say: first of, we've found the root cause, we're going to rent pigeon-homing rockets from -insert competitor- and we'll RTF on november 1st. Now for our spacecraft to Mars...
Are homing pigeon rockets rockets that home onto pigeons, or a nascent space program of an avian species bred for message delivery?
Oh boy, he's in for a twitter lashing by Jim ;)<jim filter> no </jim filter>
Just got a fantastic fake picture of Falcon Heavy..... or is it??? :o
Just got a fantastic fake picture of Falcon Heavy..... or is it??? :o
""" Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""
Expansion ratios...
Over in <redacted place on NSF> some of our best rocket designer posters are busily calculating the expansion ratios of <redacted engine 1> and <redacted engine 2> and <redacted engine 3> based on various things that should remain nameless provided by people such as <redacted>, <redacted> and the always accurate <redacted>. Calculating expansion ratios is fun.
Have you ever done it for posts?
Consider this user (who happens to work for <redacted>)
<redacted>
Full Member
<redacted>
Posts: 312
Liked: 600
Likes Given: 32
We can calculate their liked:likes expansion ratio as 600:32 or almost 20:1 (18.75;1 to be more precise) !!! That's pretty good for vacuum (and with the amount of redaction present in this example, that's not a bad analog). Efficent poster? or just stingy with likes. You decide.
But their liked:posts ratio is only a paltry 600:312 which is less than 2:1 ... (1.92307:1 to be more precise) not even sea level quality.
So which poster here has the best ratios? And what about if we ask only about high thrust posters??? OK, Jim is in a heavy lifter class all by himself but consider my numbers...
Posts: 6550
Liked: 3320
Likes Given: 2474
liked:likes 3320:2474 1.30153:1
liked:posts 3320:6550 .50867:1
Should I be ingratiating myself to the masses more? I'm not an employee of <redactedX>[1] or even <redacted> but my employer DOES have blue in their nickname, so this may be the best I can do?
At these thrust levels, er, post levels, is this about the best one can do? Or do we have better?
1 - that was a slip. Pretend you never saw that letter
""" Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""
The beatings appear to be working... you didn't say Legos :)
""" Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""
The beatings appear to be working... you didn't say Legos :)
Let's see if S.Paulissen changes it back.""" Spacecraft Are Not LEGO Elements!"""
The beatings appear to be working... you didn't say Legos :)
They are and ever will beLegosLEGO elements, Lar. I'm sorry, nearly no one will use a needlesslylongincorrect name for a toy. /awaits-the-banning
Edit/Lar: Fixed that for him.... No, I'm not misusing my mod powers... honest.
Just got a fantastic fake picture of Falcon Heavy..... or is it??? :o
They forgot the legs.
... and make sure that the cores' fuel tanks are completely empty before separation.
... and make sure that the cores' fuel tanks are completely empty before separation.
That's dangerous. Turbopumps designed to move liquid do weird things when sucking air. Having the boosters disintegrate instead of separate might not be the best approach.
... and make sure that the cores' fuel tanks are completely empty before separation.
That's dangerous. Turbopumps designed to move liquid do weird things when sucking air. Having the boosters disintegrate instead of separate might not be the best approach.
SpaceX vs NFL, Week 2 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40245.msg1587161#msg1587161)
If SpaceX cannot RTF before the NFL season ends, then they should end up with a Wildcard Playoff Birth (if past history really does indicate future gains).
This looks like case closed to me; some sort of ultrasonic anti-missile defense system
This looks like case closed to me; some sort of ultrasonic anti-missile defense system
And who would currently be putting lots of research into such a missile defense system: Israel! Clearly, this system was designed as a space-based missile shield and was covertly piggy-backing on AMOS-6. Unfortunately, mistaking the F9 as a threat, it prematurely engaged and destroyed it's own ride into orbit. Thus gaining everlasting glory as the only missile defense system to have a higher effective rating than the theoretical maximum in that it successfully destroyed a target prior to achieving operational status. IAI, batting over 1.000.
This looks like case closed to me; some sort of ultrasonic anti-missile defense system
And who would currently be putting lots of research into such a missile defense system: Israel! Clearly, this system was designed as a space-based missile shield and was covertly piggy-backing on AMOS-6. Unfortunately, mistaking the F9 as a threat, it prematurely engaged and destroyed it's own ride into orbit. Thus gaining everlasting glory as the only missile defense system to have a higher effective rating than the theoretical maximum in that it successfully destroyed a target prior to achieving operational status. IAI, batting over 1.000.
You'd think investors would love that kind of absolutely certain return on investment, but still the company was descending into bankruptcy. The economy works in mysterious ways.
In any event, they should launch *during* a hurricane. They'd gain a lot of tangential velocity.
(In talking about the IAC) - “Crazy people are a lot faster to the mic than scientists.” - Elon Musk.
That's a great quote. I'd apply it to the whole of social media.
non sequitur, but Mmmmm lasers!
http://cleanlaser.de/wDeutsch/filme/media/cleanLASER-general-applications.flv
(In talking about the IAC) - “Crazy people are a lot faster to the mic than scientists.” - Elon Musk.
That's a great quote. I'd apply it to the whole of social media.
We had the #1 crazy in line ;)..... A driver of egg beaters. ;D
As I heard them referred to, many years ago, some old nickname or such.
I think you're delving into the realm of fiction here: helicopters. The aerodynamic fact of the matter is that they, like bumblebees, cannot fly. Thus, helicopters, like starships, exist only in the realm of fiction and overactive imaginations.
More applicable to this site, and if my memories of the end of the Cold War haven't failed me, Russian engineers achieved by trial and error a successful rocket engine design that US engineers hadn't attempted because their theoretical calculations told them it was impossible.
I think you're delving into the realm of fiction here: helicopters. The aerodynamic fact of the matter is that they, like bumblebees, cannot fly. Thus, helicopters, like starships, exist only in the realm of fiction and overactive imaginations.
I get the awardJust another way of saying "I told you so."
But heck, maybe we should start giving you awards. :)
You can view the the Nat Geo "Mars" already.
https://twitter.com/NatGeoChannel/status/791353720604729345
If they had stood down for 10 more months, that might've been even worse to the company than the AMOS 6 failure.
NASA can afford these super long stand downs because they're basically welfare for nerds so it doesn't matter, they'll still get paid whether or not anyone flies anything. But SpaceX is a business. A ten month stand down would put the business in danger.
If they had stood down for 10 more months, that might've been even worse to the company than the AMOS 6 failure.A bit of respect. Please.
NASA can afford these super long stand downs because they're basically welfare for nerds so it doesn't matter, they'll still get paid whether or not anyone flies anything. But SpaceX is a business. A ten month stand down would put the business in danger.
Some more pics. They are unloading this at the construction site between Esperson and Hwy 4.
A Haiku (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku)for your consideration:
Goes up ramp to wait
Winter sea breeze mixed with LOX
Leap beyond the sky!
Last time SpaceX returned to flight, a year ago, they blew our expectations by launching a significantly improved rocket and landing its first stage, right on the X. But this time our expectations are a lot higher, so what can SpaceX do to top them?
Could they land the first stage in the launch mount? Return the second stage? Replace some or all of the engines with Raptors? Switch from rocket fuel to Tesla batteries?
I think you're delving into the realm of fiction here: helicopters. The aerodynamic fact of the matter is that they, like bumblebees, cannot fly. Thus, helicopters, like starships, exist only in the realm of fiction and overactive imaginations.
FALSE
Origins: The notion that scientists once proved bumblebees can't fly is regularly cited in magazine and newspaper stories and lists of interesting facts, often in a manner "aimed at putting down those know-it-all scientists and engineers who are so smart yet can't manage to understand something that's apparent to everyone else."...
non sequitur, but Mmmmm lasers!
http://cleanlaser.de/wDeutsch/filme/media/cleanLASER-general-applications.flv (http://cleanlaser.de/wDeutsch/filme/media/cleanLASER-general-applications.flv)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw)
It seems that the CEO of EchoStar must be feeling uneasy next month with 3 of their satellites potentially going up within 2 weeks - EchoStar 19 on Atlas V on December 16, EchoStar 21 on Proton on December 22 and (the one related to this thread) EchoStar 23 on F9 from LC-39A as early as before the New Year! :o
I think they are raising containers to make space for something.
I think they are raising containers to make space for something.
OK what is this guy welding?
Also, I always thought "brown pants landing" was just an expression...
Traffic is driving me nuts. Am going to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging…
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
I am actually going to do this
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
It shall be called “The Boring Company”
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
Elon Musk has been tweeting.OMG. Not only is Elon Iron Man, he's the Underminer too!
QuoteTraffic is driving me nuts. Am going to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging…
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
I am actually going to do this
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
It shall be called “The Boring Company”
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
;D
Boring, it's what we do
Okay, I didn't think it was worthy of a post in the "real" Orbcomm discussion thread, but I love the part 2:47 in where Elon Musk and everyone are literally running back to the building going "It's standing up!" ;D
Well, that and "What? Holy smokes, man." (One of my new favorite interjections, which I now will have to find appropriate situations to use.) 8)
Okay, I didn't think it was worthy of a post in the "real" Orbcomm discussion thread, but I love the part 2:47 in where Elon Musk and everyone are literally running back to the building going "It's standing up!" ;D
Well, that and "What? Holy smokes, man." (One of my new favorite interjections, which I now will have to find appropriate situations to use.) 8)
According to Business Insider that was when Elon "freaked out" seriously? (he seem rather restrained)Okay, I didn't think it was worthy of a post in the "real" Orbcomm discussion thread, but I love the part 2:47 in where Elon Musk and everyone are literally running back to the building going "It's standing up!" ;D
Well, that and "What? Holy smokes, man." (One of my new favorite interjections, which I now will have to find appropriate situations to use.) 8)
... and don't forget Rocket J. Squirrel's version -- "hokey smokes!" :)
Okay, so I was distracted by a deer, immediately followed by a guardrail, and that followed again a few minutes later by a semi truck. (My little red Kia hatchback is now a blue Mazda, and thankfully, neither mb nor I were injured more that a few very minor scrapes and bruises.) Anyway, that distraction kept me from remembering to post here about this year's TSO (http://www.trans-siberian.com/) tour.
I can't remember during what piece it was, but somewhen right near the beginning of the concert, various SpaceX clips were among the video snippets that flashed across the various displays. Some launch footage, and various bits from the SpaceX Mars trailer (and, I think, the now-classic reusability video). It was just a few very short moments in the middle of a veritable storm of snippets, but it was enough that when I leaned over to mb for a "Woo-hoo! SpaceX!" she had noticed and noted already. :D
mb? My Babe??? :)Hehe, well, I suppose that works. 8)
@ Clayjar; glad you're both okay!
However, your automotive mishap got me thinking (always a dangerous thing) about the many ways we've seen vehicle-destructive events referred to in rocketry.
Anomaly
RUD
Incident
Blew up
Kaboom
Kabloona
Kaput
Crash
Exploded
Anyone got any more?
Elon Musk has been tweeting.OMG. Not only is Elon Iron Man, he's the Underminer too!
QuoteTraffic is driving me nuts. Am going to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging…
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
I am actually going to do this
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
It shall be called “The Boring Company”
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
;D
Elon Musk has been tweeting.OMG. Not only is Elon Iron Man, he's the Underminer too!
QuoteTraffic is driving me nuts. Am going to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging…
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
I am actually going to do this
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
It shall be called “The Boring Company”
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
;D
If all the lanes through the mountain are HOV diamond lanes, would we call it the CarPool Tunnel? :o :P ::)
Elon Musk has been tweeting.OMG. Not only is Elon Iron Man, he's the Underminer too!
QuoteTraffic is driving me nuts. Am going to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging…
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
I am actually going to do this
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
It shall be called “The Boring Company”
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 17, 2016
;D
If all the lanes through the mountain are HOV diamond lanes, would we call it the CarPool Tunnel? :o :P ::)
Only until Elon finds the Ctrl-Alp-Delete buttons on his Tesla.
@ Clayjar; glad you're both okay!
However, your automotive mishap got me thinking (always a dangerous thing) about the many ways we've seen vehicle-destructive events referred to in rocketry.
Anomaly
RUD
Incident
Blew up
Kaboom
Kabloona
I don't know how my user name got confused with "kabooms," but I assure you Kabloona has nothing to do with those unfortunate events. ;-)Are you now, or have you ever been, a resident of King William Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_William_Island)?
@ Clayjar; glad you're both okay!
However, your automotive mishap got me thinking (always a dangerous thing) about the many ways we've seen vehicle-destructive events referred to in rocketry.
Anomaly
RUD
Incident
Blew up
Kaboom
Kabloona
I don't know how my user name got confused with "kabooms," but I assure you Kabloona has nothing to do with those unfortunate events. ;-)
I don't know how my user name got confused with "kabooms," but I assure you Kabloona has nothing to do with those unfortunate events. ;-)
Ah, but I can cite examples of that usage;
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38149.msg1502007#msg1502007
Don't worry, Kabloona, we (mostly) aren't actually saying, quite yet, that you are the *cause* of all the rocket kabooms. I'm thusly sure that some of the RUDS are not your fault. ;)
I don't know how my user name got confused with "kabooms," but I assure you Kabloona has nothing to do with those unfortunate events. ;-)
Ah, but I can cite examples of that usage;
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=38149.msg1502007#msg1502007
Don't worry, Kabloona, we (mostly) aren't actually saying, quite yet, that you are the *cause* of all the rocket kabooms. I'm thusly sure that some of the RUDS are not your fault. ;)
Ummm...that was @johnnyhinbos making fun of my username, which is now apparently linked with acts of infamy. But thanks for the partial absolution. ;)
Oh, and Merry Christmas. :)
I have you pinned. another term is bule.
I wasn't whining about this as all these changes had a purpose.The only plausible path to a handrail-free future in space involves reducing the cost to launch through efficient reuse. Losing a harbor pilot or coast guard inspector overboard would seriously endanger that program. We must have handrails now so we can lose them later.
Current changes which include fences on everything and the container raising don't have a clear purpose other that complying with some sort of regulations or even change for sake of change.
Okay, I didn't think it was worthy of a post in the "real" Orbcomm discussion thread, but I love the part 2:47 in where Elon Musk and everyone are literally running back to the building going "It's standing up!" ;D
Well, that and "What? Holy smokes, man." (One of my new favorite interjections, which I now will have to find appropriate situations to use.) 8)
He may have said Holy Smokes (and be possible the only person to use that phrase for 50 years)
I have you pinned. another term is bule.
Bingo. Basically, it's the Inuit word for "white guy." Or "bilagaana" to my Navajo friends.
"Kabloona" is also the title of one of the best "exploration of a distant land/foreign culture" books ever written and a personal favorite of mine. Highly recommended for armchair voyagers.
I have you pinned. another term is bule.
Bingo. Basically, it's the Inuit word for "white guy." Or "bilagaana" to my Navajo friends.
"Kabloona" is also the title of one of the best "exploration of a distant land/foreign culture" books ever written and a personal favorite of mine. Highly recommended for armchair voyagers.
...which is why I posted a picture of the author...
Ah, well done. Sorry, I missed seeing that post because it was on a previous page. Yes, that's me. In a previous life. ;)A very suave fellah. Those ears tho ...
I don't know how my user name got confused with "kabooms," but I assure you Kabloona has nothing to do with those unfortunate events. ;-)
I think I've got helium mixed up with LOX, edited it.
After all, it has been said I'm full of hot air ;)
FAKE NEWS!!!!
;) :P ;)
FAKE NEWS!!!!
;) :P ;)
Of course it is, the world is flat!!!
(https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40089.0;attach=1399487;image)[/url]
Of course they couldn't do it in 1931, but by Dec 1941, their technology had well advanced.
But did they advance enough to run propellers backwards when south of the equator...
Assume SpaceX gets 15 launches next year, 25 the next, and 35 the next. Even if they have industry-leading reliability of 99% (compared to 90-96% typical), their odds of NOT having a failure are just 47%.
This doesn't mean they're pathetic losers who don't know anything about rocketry. Heck even with a respectable 95% success rate, that means that going even that first year of 15 launches without failure is just 46%.
SpaceX may even ramp to a higher launch rate, which further increases the probability of having a failure at some point unless they improve the reliability even more to compensate.
SpaceX will be debuting Falcon Heavy and possibly another Falcon 9 variant. That doesn't help those odds.
This business in NOT for the faint of heart.
Wait, are you saying we should be rooting for failures because it means they now have a mature product?
This isn't from us, but the above reference to delays with Static Fire could make this fit:
https://twitter.com/VincentLamigeon/status/816656697708187648
#SpaceX Falcon 9 return to flight finally planned on Monday Jan 9th, a little bird told me. Backup dates Jan 11 & 12th
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Totally unconfirmed of course, but it played to my tapping of fingers against the desk waiting for word on F9 drinking RP-1. ;)
Live webcam of me right now:
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cookie_monster_waiting.gif)
Why is the F9 drinking? No one asked about the vent fin... yet ;)
Why is the F9 drinking? No one asked about the vent fin... yet ;)
Why is the F9 drinking? No one asked about the vent fin... yet ;)
They will ... :)
One IP is refreshing the Iridium update thread every 10 seconds for the past 10 minutes. He's the world's biggest Static Fire fan ;D
So, I guess you are suggesting they decided to use the Centaur while they taking the time to fix the COPV issues in their 2nd stage?
One IP is refreshing the Iridium update thread every 10 seconds for the past 10 minutes. He's the world's biggest Static Fire fan ;DAre you spying on me?
One IP is refreshing the Iridium update thread every 10 seconds for the past 10 minutes. He's the world's biggest Static Fire fan ;D
So, I guess you are suggesting they decided to use the Centaur while they taking the time to fix the COPV issues in their 2nd stage?
Oh yes. Falcon-Centaur has been a thing for quite some time. Really helps with that extra GTO performance.
One IP is refreshing the Iridium update thread every 10 seconds for the past 10 minutes. He's the world's biggest Static Fire fan ;D
Ordinary Centaur? With only about 20 tons of propellants? I imagine the ordinary FH second stage, albeit less efficient, still has the edge because of it's big propellant load. Or is this more about putting specific-sized payloads to specific, optimized destinations? A twin engined, stretched Centaur equipped Falcon Heavy could be interesting. The Mars Flyby mission could become a do-able thing with the manned craft launched on an expendable Falcon 9 and the Centaur launched on a Falcon Heavy.So, I guess you are suggesting they decided to use the Centaur while they taking the time to fix the COPV issues in their 2nd stage?
Oh yes. Falcon-Centaur has been a thing for quite some time. Really helps with that extra GTO performance.
Wow, Falcon-Heavy/Centaur. They kept it hidden in plain sight! Now I am about to start believing the rumors abut Boeing/SpaceX conspiracy. I am sure this is the real reason for the constant FH schedule slips.
Are tanks depressed during coast period? If so, just for the ~10 hr coast to GEO insertion, or also for the ~20 min coast to GTO insertion?Depends - are they on a reusable stage? If not, then they probably are depressed... ;D
has no bearing on the matter
How do we land this thing back on the Party Pad?Hold my beer....
It looks like there really is confusion between the Party thread and the Falcon Heavy [argument/party] thread.
How do we land this thing back on the Party Pad?
Does the FAA realize the war they just started on NSF by calling the Falcon 9 v1.1 Full Thrust, the Falcon 9 v1.2?
The humanity... poor Chris and Lar will be doomed to moderator's hell for a very, very long time.
The launch is taking place on a US AF Base. I suspect the US Gov would have ways of stopping them before a launch would take place.Out of curiosity (not that I think SpaceX would), what is the penalty for launching a rocket without an FAA launch license?
They can try to pull an Uber and claim they don't need a licence ;)
Does the FAA realize the war they just started on NSF by calling the Falcon 9 v1.1 Full Thrust, the Falcon 9 v1.2?
The humanity... poor Chris and Lar will be doomed to moderator's hell for a very, very long time.
When you say F9 v1.2, do you mean block 3, block 4 or block 5?
Does the FAA realize the war they just started on NSF by calling the Falcon 9 v1.1 Full Thrust, the Falcon 9 v1.2?
The humanity... poor Chris and Lar will be doomed to moderator's hell for a very, very long time.
When you say F9 v1.2, do you mean block 3, block 4 or block 5?
I mean the FAA called the rocket for the seven Iridium launches a Falcon 9 Version v1.2 Launch Vehicle.... It's up to Chris to decide which end of the egg we should crack.Does the FAA realize the war they just started on NSF by calling the Falcon 9 v1.1 Full Thrust, the Falcon 9 v1.2?
The humanity... poor Chris and Lar will be doomed to moderator's hell for a very, very long time.
When you say F9 v1.2, do you mean block 3, block 4 or block 5?
Does the FAA realize the war they just started on NSF by calling the Falcon 9 v1.1 Full Thrust, the Falcon 9 v1.2?
The humanity... poor Chris and Lar will be doomed to moderator's hell for a very, very long time.
Do you have any idea of the time that the static fire could occur? Or is it just wait and see? Thanks
Now then Kai. Static Fire's have long windows, very unlikely a launch attempt. They do have target T-0s, but just class this one as potentially happening soon, knowing they could go anytime between now-ish and the next several hours....or not at all.
I hope SpaceX keeps all the AI it has under control and has taken adequate precautions against thermal curtain failures during the static fires.Do you have any idea of the time that the static fire could occur? Or is it just wait and see? Thanks
Now then Kai. Static Fire's have long windows, very unlikely a launch attempt. They do have target T-0s, but just class this one as potentially happening soon, knowing they could go anytime between now-ish and the next several hours....or not at all.
I should HOPE that a static fire is not likely to be a (secret) launch attempt! (bolding mine... those pesky "ly"ers...)
"Max and Jinx... Friends forever"I hope SpaceX keeps all the AI it has under control and has taken adequate precautions against thermal curtain failures during the static fires.Do you have any idea of the time that the static fire could occur? Or is it just wait and see? Thanks
Now then Kai. Static Fire's have long windows, very unlikely a launch attempt. They do have target T-0s, but just class this one as potentially happening soon, knowing they could go anytime between now-ish and the next several hours....or not at all.
I should HOPE that a static fire is not likely to be a (secret) launch attempt! (bolding mine... those pesky "ly"ers...)
I do enjoy the fact that SpaceX has managed to pursue a different naming scheme for each iteration:
Falcon 9 (not part of any naming scheme)
Falcon 9 v1.1
Falcon 9 Full Thrust
<They didn't even give this one a name, we just called it "Fuller Thrust", I assume>
Falcon 9 Block 5
"The film was panned by critics and is famous for being a "marketing nightmare," as it was released less than five months after the Challenger accident of January 28, 1986 (although filming was completed before the disaster occurred)."
yikes!
"The film was panned by critics and is famous for being a "marketing nightmare," as it was released less than five months after the Challenger accident of January 28, 1986 (although filming was completed before the disaster occurred)."
yikes!
Yikes, indeed. We don't need anymore of these.
Does the FAA realize the war they just started on NSF by calling the Falcon 9 v1.1 Full Thrust, the Falcon 9 v1.2?
The humanity... poor Chris and Lar will be doomed to moderator's hell for a very, very long time.
When you say F9 v1.2, do you mean block 3, block 4 or block 5?
I do enjoy the fact that SpaceX has managed to pursue a different naming scheme for each iteration:
Falcon 9 (not part of any naming scheme)
Falcon 9 v1.1
Falcon 9 Full Thrust
<They didn't even give this one a name, we just called it "Fuller Thrust", I assume>
Falcon 9 Block 5
The closest the aerospace industry has ever come to this level of foolishness is the "Atlas I", but even that is overshadowed by the sheer variety presented here. If I were a religious man, I might consider this a sign from the heavens to our party thread.
Does the FAA realize the war they just started on NSF by calling the Falcon 9 v1.1 Full Thrust, the Falcon 9 v1.2?
The humanity... poor Chris and Lar will be doomed to moderator's hell for a very, very long time.
When you say F9 v1.2, do you mean block 3, block 4 or block 5?
I do enjoy the fact that SpaceX has managed to pursue a different naming scheme for each iteration:
Falcon 9 (not part of any naming scheme)
Falcon 9 v1.1
Falcon 9 Full Thrust
<They didn't even give this one a name, we just called it "Fuller Thrust", I assume>
Falcon 9 Block 5
The closest the aerospace industry has ever come to this level of foolishness is the "Atlas I", but even that is overshadowed by the sheer variety presented here. If I were a religious man, I might consider this a sign from the heavens to our party thread.
Nah...the new Falcon should be the F11.
Nah...the new Falcon should be the F11.
That would be very much better, as whenever I see "F9", my eye reads "Quickload, Jebediah Kerman fouled up again"
For any KSP player, F9 carries strong associations with death, destruction, mayhem, and similar fun stuff.
F9 is because it has 9 engines, no? ::)
Sounds like a Plan, did it come from outer space?Yes, when it lands... :o
I would have called the Heavy Falcons III.Then it would it would cost $35,000 a flight. A true break through.
Matthew
If we cannot use the English version of 9, how about I substitute it with "nueve"? Different pronunciation might work.In Roman numerals 9 is IX so we have FIX as a label
Orbital mechanics, or orbital bodies, are the most predictable things there are.
Time spans for rendezvous and docking are hours.. minutes at the end...
Meanwhile landing occurs in wind, in seconds, with control time constants that are also measured in seconds.
And the visiting vehicles have so many more control inputs...
Those sort of differences are not "software", they are inherent parameters of the control problem.
ISS may be non-cooperative, but it's certainly not trying to evade. Given its own very poor control authority, suppose it was cooperating, what exactly would it have done other than just hold 3 axis stable, and wait for the VV to take its time, line up, and then glide forward?
C'mon guys, it's like 5h to the launch and I've been refreshing the forum for hours and no news... jeez, it's like most of you are sleeping or smth...
In anticipation of a successful launch today, preparations are underway for a new tradition of a "paper" SpaceX Happy Hat in keeping spaceflight costs down... ;DNeeds the SpaceX logo printed on it [1] in a place that shows on the brim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJvzSuVT6Q&t=14s
Come on, someone ask about the lack of a vent fin, so can have a liquid lunch!Too late!! ;D
I am making mine out of tin foil. Because I can.C'mon guys, it's like 5h to the launch and I've been refreshing the forum for hours and no news... jeez, it's like most of you are sleeping or smth...
I blame the USTZ people for being weaklings and not staying up all night for a morning launch. I mean, the SpaceX people involved in making it go up sure have to be there at something like 2-3AM for 10AM launch, no? :)
So far the hosted webcast seems to be more popular than the technical one, 184-24 watching blank nothingness.
I hear music.....And sometime I hear voices, where is my tin hat?... ;D
I hear music.....And sometime I hear voices, where is my tin hat?... ;D
I'm watching a replay of Mars and while Falcon was on entry to landing this was playing.....Awesome... 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHP5HZZq7sA
To paraphrase Tom Hanks in Apollo 13 "you need a little liquid propulsion"... ;DI'm watching a replay of Mars and while Falcon was on entry to landing this was playing.....Awesome... 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHP5HZZq7sA
Now that music sounds even creepier than it did before. :o
Awesome lunch! Now to go dig myself or of the dog house.
Btw. Was the longest SpaceX coast before restart to date?
SpaceX introduced a new unit of measurement: Shaquille O'neal
Hey Elvis, is that you on the right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdYYsEfAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdYYsEfAE)
::)
I don't know, Lou, I'm starting to come around to Jim's point of view.After thousands of simulations backed up with 16 real-world splashdown/landing attempts to refine the solution, it should look easy.
The evidence? SpaceX just made that landing look really easy.
Whooo Hooo, congrats SpaceX on the landing and another booster for the garage.
Not unless they plan something other than littering the ocean with spent stages. :)Whooo Hooo, congrats SpaceX on the landing and another booster for the garage.
Hey, I thought "open for business" was Rocketlab's motto!
Did I miss out on the bingo thread completely?
Given how hard it is to actually get prizes out when I've sponsored a prize, no I wasn't a sponsor this time. (obvs...)Did I miss out on the bingo thread completely?
I'm kind of surprised to hear you say that, because rumor has it that the landing bingo thread was quite active for this launch. Perhaps, in case you're the guy in charge of handing out the prizes, I should mention that I won? (I had the square indicating offshore of the West Coast).
0:-)
Great flight!
Looking forward to Heavy- maybe after all the static 'bout delays, it was better to launch Heavy with landing kinks out..duh.
Given how hard it is to actually get prizes out when I've sponsored a prize, no I wasn't a sponsor this time. (obvs...)Did I miss out on the bingo thread completely?
I'm kind of surprised to hear you say that, because rumor has it that the landing bingo thread was quite active for this launch. Perhaps, in case you're the guy in charge of handing out the prizes, I should mention that I won? (I had the square indicating offshore of the West Coast).
0:-)
So, let's see a link to your winning pick...
Given how hard it is to actually get prizes out when I've sponsored a prize, no I wasn't a sponsor this time. (obvs...)Did I miss out on the bingo thread completely?
I'm kind of surprised to hear you say that, because rumor has it that the landing bingo thread was quite active for this launch. Perhaps, in case you're the guy in charge of handing out the prizes, I should mention that I won? (I had the square indicating offshore of the West Coast).
0:-)
So, let's see a link to your winning pick...
I believe the prize this time is rumored to be a 10 pound bar of gold bullion. I also believe you were rumored to be volunteered to sponsor it. I also believe (and quite strongly in this case!) that I would very much enjoy being given a 10 pound bar of gold bullion.
Link to my post with my winning pick? Here ya go... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) I think that will establish my claim beyond all possible doubt!
If someone supposedly links to a Rick Astley video yet the link actually takes you somewhere else, is he finally gonna give you up?
Ummm, apropos of nothing, and just out of pure, utterly unrelated curiosity, is attempting to rickroll a moderator a banning offense on NSF?
This Just In... It is all a hoax.
I was looking for more video of the latest landing and found this.
You will need to wear a tinfoil hat to watch it :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jV0G1-eMzo
Ummm, apropos of nothing, and just out of pure, utterly unrelated curiosity, is attempting to rickroll a moderator a banning offense on NSF?
I'm assuming you're asking for a friend???
At this time it is not. But perhaps it should be...
This Just In... It is all a hoax.I challenge him to lay on the deck during the next Falcon landing so we can put this or "him" to rest... ;)
I was looking for more video of the latest landing and found this.
You will need to wear a tinfoil hat to watch it :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jV0G1-eMzo
This is a pointless post, but i like this pic. Different times.As an ASDS spotter, I have to say the cherry picker in that photo makes me happy. ;D
This is a pointless post, but i like this pic. Different times.As an ASDS spotter, I have to say the cherry picker in that photo makes me happy. ;D
Personally I'm quite skeptical that he actually believes any of that, and is just doing it for YouTube traffic. He's got about 2.6 million total views in just over a year. Maybe the Party Thread should come up with a YouTube trolling channel, it could pay for the Solo cups and webcams.These people are despicable - retarded even. The disrespect for Gene Cernan after his death on YouTube and even Vimeo is disgusting. I've battled 'Hoaxtards' for years and have even received death threats from them. Now in a 'Post Truth' world, they are just part of the scenery. Hideous... :(
(http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000022953682/92e59d8982ef3d7c8c85d4c25e967204.jpeg)
How about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
How about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
That's a Mercury I think, and that's a very early version of "crew access arm" .... so it would have an open area on the capsule facing side. Hence if you're in it, watch out... for that first step... it's a very very long way to the ground.How about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
What do mean by "watching that first step"? I actually don't get that joke.
(So long as I stay out of the New Physics section.)Same. Sadly, I have to put my nose in there from time to time to see what the mod reports are about....
How about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
What do mean by "watching that first step"? I actually don't get that joke.
How about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
What do mean by "watching that first step"? I actually don't get that joke.
I'll hazard a guess. The cherry picker in the Mercury/Redstone flights (shown in the B&W photo) was used to bring the astronaut to the capsule. The picture shows the cherry picker basket several feet away from the rocket so any step would be a long was down.
Correct, the cheery picker stood by for a rapid egress during an emergency...How about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
What do mean by "watching that first step"? I actually don't get that joke.
I'll hazard a guess. The cherry picker in the Mercury/Redstone flights (shown in the B&W photo) was used to bring the astronaut to the capsule. The picture shows the cherry picker basket several feet away from the rocket so any step would be a long was down.
No, I believe the larger movable structure in the background was used to board Mercury.
It's old, as am I... ;DHow about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
What do mean by "watching that first step"? I actually don't get that joke.
When there aren't people doing things to cause mod reports, even that section of the site has experts who understand physics posting regularly. I have actually learned things from some of the discussions there.(So long as I stay out of the New Physics section.)Same. Sadly, I have to put my nose in there from time to time to see what the mod reports are about....
That's a Mercury I think, and that's a very early version of "crew access arm" .... so it would have an open area on the capsule facing side. Hence if you're in it, watch out... for that first step... it's a very very long way to the ground.How about this cherry picker? Even earlier than Falcon 1!Watch that first step... :o ;D
What do mean by "watching that first step"? I actually don't get that joke.
Also, as a note, that is not a Tie Fighter parked in lower left... obvs, because their side panels are black!(So long as I stay out of the New Physics section.)Same. Sadly, I have to put my nose in there from time to time to see what the mod reports are about....
Lar, I already knew what the cherry picker was used for during Project Mercury. I just assumed that Rocket Science's post was a joke I didn't understand.Glad we got that cleared up. Keep cheering.
When there aren't people doing things to cause mod reports, even that section of the site has experts who understand physics posting regularly. I have actually learned things from some of the discussions there.(So long as I stay out of the New Physics section.)Same. Sadly, I have to put my nose in there from time to time to see what the mod reports are about....
I hope I haven't given you too many concussions by making you look at some of the idiocy posted there, but I do appreciate you helping keep the site clean. One of the reasons I post there is because this is such a great site for space information, and I don't want casual viewers of this site to think that the wildly incorrect things some post there are in any way legitimate.
Woo Hoo! Rocket upright at Pad 39!
;D
Woo Hoo! Rocket upright at Pad 39!
;D
That moment when you think the cape needs to invest in an S-400 anti range fouling anti-aircraft system.Cheater! Oh well. SpaceX was a gateway drug for me too.
Aaaarggg!
Woo Hoo! Rocket upright at Pad 39!
;D
Falcon 9 doesn't even use solid fuel.
Technically that was solid oxidizer I think....Falcon 9 doesn't even use solid fuel.Well, the one time that it did, things didn't end well...
Back nit: It burned with the Carbon and the epoxy - totally solid.Technically that was solid oxidizer I think....Falcon 9 doesn't even use solid fuel.Well, the one time that it did, things didn't end well...
Next SpaceX flight (Echostar) has v heavy GTO payload (5500kg)
Will Falcon fly expendable, or try low-margin droneship landing?
Expendable. Future flights will go on Falcon Heavy or the upgraded Falcon 9.
Quote from: @gdoehneNext SpaceX flight (Echostar) has v heavy GTO payload (5500kg)
Will Falcon fly expendable, or try low-margin droneship landing?Quote from: @elonmuskExpendable. Future flights will go on Falcon Heavy or the upgraded Falcon 9.
Looks like, for at least a week, this is going to be the "Fully and Rapidly Expendable Launch Party Thread"... prepare to wave goodbye to the first stage via the second stage camera, dump your own used ethanol tanks into the ocean, and make angry posts about the impacts on marine wildlife.
... or carry on with (party) business as usual :P
This appears to be the FCC application for the SES-10 landing (https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=75718&RequestTimeout=1000), since the operational start date is Feb. 20. I still don't see an application for the EchoStar 23 landing?
North 28 15 19 West 74 1 18 Autonomous Drone Ship, within 10 nautical miles
what do you mean expendable Launch (its amazing how short a time that sentence has taken to sound odd) anyhow how are we meant to turn the launch into a friendly competition without landing bingo!!!
If it's their last (intentionally) expendable booster, I hope "Cowboy Johnny" gets to take one last ride on it!
They can put him right in front of the rocket cam!
what do you mean expendable Launch (its amazing how short a time that sentence has taken to sound odd) anyhow how are we meant to turn the launch into a friendly competition without landing bingo!!!There was no landing bingo last time... we muddled through somehow.
Yeah, landing bingo was fun but now winning it requires being one of the first 18 guesses. 80 guesses if it's really gusty on landing but there seems to be no point in picking a spot outside the inner yellow circle. Damn SpaceX and their constant improvement! :)what do you mean expendable Launch (its amazing how short a time that sentence has taken to sound odd) anyhow how are we meant to turn the launch into a friendly competition without landing bingo!!!There was no landing bingo last time... we muddled through somehow.
As for this launch I call L-20[1] and I have already declared myself the winner and will be procuring a prize to award myself.
1 - in my coordinate system
Yeah, landing bingo was fun but now winning it requires being one of the first 18 guesses. 80 guesses if it's really gusty on landing but there seems to be no point in picking a spot outside the inner yellow circle. Damn SpaceX and their constant improvement! :)what do you mean expendable Launch (its amazing how short a time that sentence has taken to sound odd) anyhow how are we meant to turn the launch into a friendly competition without landing bingo!!!There was no landing bingo last time... we muddled through somehow.
As for this launch I call L-20[1] and I have already declared myself the winner and will be procuring a prize to award myself.
1 - in my coordinate system
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/128030I am not going to Mars if I can't take at least some LEGO elements with me... And ya, I hear Jim, I don't wear many logos either, 'cept IBM... (and LEGO, duh)2 for $20? I don't pay for other people advertising. Don't have anything with logos from school, sports team, corporate, athletic wear, etc.
You might dig, in part at least, Naomi Klein's book "No Logo".
(not to be confused with Lar's recurring nightmare, "No Lego")
Back on topic...
What updates does OCISLY need at this point? Thought she was in pretty good shape...
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/128030I am not going to Mars if I can't take at least some LEGO elements with me... And ya, I hear Jim, I don't wear many logos either, 'cept IBM... (and LEGO, duh)2 for $20? I don't pay for other people advertising. Don't have anything with logos from school, sports team, corporate, athletic wear, etc.
You might dig, in part at least, Naomi Klein's book "No Logo".
(not to be confused with Lar's recurring nightmare, "No Lego")
Back on topic...
What updates does OCISLY need at this point? Thought she was in pretty good shape...
On the "more remote than an off center landing on the ASDS" chance that Lars (or other NSFers) doesn't know about this project. :)
If it's their last (intentionally) expendable booster, I hope "Cowboy Johnny" gets to take one last ride on it!
They can put him right in front of the rocket cam!
But won't his presence be required on the in-flight abort? Actually, thinking ahead, shouldn't the cowboy be the first human(-shaped thing) on Mars? It'd make a great addition to the Martian Space Museum once the colonies really get going. (Admittedly, it ruins a perfectly good impractical photo op, but hey.)
Would you believe I was referring to Lars Ulrich of Metallica who happens to be a huge SpaceX fan and LEGO® enthusiast (even if he doesn't know it)?https://ideas.lego.com/projects/128030I am not going to Mars if I can't take at least some LEGO elements with me... And ya, I hear Jim, I don't wear many logos either, 'cept IBM... (and LEGO, duh)2 for $20? I don't pay for other people advertising. Don't have anything with logos from school, sports team, corporate, athletic wear, etc.
You might dig, in part at least, Naomi Klein's book "No Logo".
(not to be confused with Lar's recurring nightmare, "No Lego")
Back on topic...
What updates does OCISLY need at this point? Thought she was in pretty good shape...
On the "more remote than an off center landing on the ASDS" chance that Lars (or other NSFers) doesn't know about this project. :)
Can't speak for Lars (or Lars-J or etc) but I'm aware of it... it's kinda schizophrenic as it's a bit of a mish mash of different types, although the claim is that it models a particular mission.
I'm however pleased to note it has approximately 4x the support of the Delta IV model :)
Would you believe I was referring to Lars Ulrich of Metallica who happens to be a huge SpaceX fan and LEGO® enthusiast (even if he doesn't know it)?For a suitable honorarium...
Would you believe I was referring to Lars Ulrich of Metallica who happens to be a huge SpaceX fan and LEGO® enthusiast (even if he doesn't know it)?
Several major news outlets are reporting that Elon Musk is serious about his new "The Boring Company" idea; and wants to dig a tunnel from *his office* in Hawthorne to LAX (!).He's GOT to be trolling us all. I tweeted him exactly that[0], and expect an answer shortly.[1] ... I will report back.
I have... some concerns. If indeed he wants to do this to alleviate traffic congestion, I think the question must be asked; does Elon really, truly, want all that car traffic going through his office? I can imagine downsides to that.
Also, if Elon is bothered by the traffic during his commute to and from work each day, doesn't he have other options that are closer at hand? They build F9's at Hawthrone, so why not mount a Dragon (with propulsive landing) atop a 1st stage, and simply launch from the parking lot at Hawthorne and land at his house? The 1st stage could then do a RTLS, plenty of margin... or land on his lawn, ready for going to work the next day.
I suspect it's partly a troll, partly real, with the real part related to employee safety due to:Several major news outlets are reporting that Elon Musk is serious about his new "The Boring Company" idea; and wants to dig a tunnel from *his office* in Hawthorne to LAX (!).He's GOT to be trolling us all. I tweeted him exactly that, and expect an answer shortly.[1] ... I will report back.
Only problem with electric rockets is the TWR is a killer. That and the steady supply of Xenon.
Technically feasible[2] but the daily kerosene consumption might be sending the wrong message. Electric rockets are probably a better idea.
He meant electric rockets, as in "switch the anti-gravity device on".Only problem with electric rockets is the TWR is a killer. That and the steady supply of Xenon.
Technically feasible[2] but the daily kerosene consumption might be sending the wrong message. Electric rockets are probably a better idea.
He meant electric rockets, as in "switch the anti-gravity device on".Elon is not an Alien. He is bound the laws of Human Physics. Aliens haven't provided him an alternative physics yet ;)
He meant electric rockets, as in "switch the anti-gravity device on".Only problem with electric rockets is the TWR is a killer. That and the steady supply of Xenon.
Technically feasible[2] but the daily kerosene consumption might be sending the wrong message. Electric rockets are probably a better idea.
At the risk of being serious, pretty sure that propellantless thrust is a solved problem IF you have an atmosphere to push against. :)Wouldn't that be other-other-other-other-other side project at this point?
VTVL supersonic electric jet. Musk's /other/ other side project.
Actually they have, it's a subcategory under "alternative facts"... ;) ;DHe meant electric rockets, as in "switch the anti-gravity device on".Elon is not an Alien. He is bound the laws of Human Physics. Aliens haven't provided him an alternative physics yet ;)
Since it is a party thread, I suggest scouring his Burning Man partying to look for evidence of new physics and physical states.
OK guys, today has been a bit slow, but before you get bored, this is the plan:
1. We bring a Dragon2 prototype, a second stage and one of the reused boosters (noone would notice one missing) to the docks tonight.
2. There we load them onto the cargo submarine that was secretly built out of the old JTRI
3. Ship everything to the Vulcano lair island
4. There we upgrade the cork heat shield and PICA-X of both vehicles with a stealth - radar absorbing variant
6. The integrated vehicle is tugged to the south Atlantic on board JRTI
7. Launch the dragon on a polar orbit over the south pole, so noone notices. Direct injection into a highly eccentric orbit (lunar flyby + free return)
8. Near the moon we use the super-dracos and gravity assist to change plane to match ISS
9. High velocity rendezvous during the ISS's night when the astronauts are sleeping. Orbit circularition and docking in one single maneuver (it's just like the suicide burn at landing, right?) - approach periapsis below carman line - use aerobreaking during that approach, too, we're coming in "hot"
10. Infilttrate the station, without waking the astronauts, grab the loot, seal the hatch and detach. That's what we did these drills for the last weeks, to manage that in less than 60 seconds.
11. deorbit near the waiting drone ship in open ocean. No landing burn (fuel was used in orbital maneuvers) just old fashioned parashute splashdown.
12. Bring dragon, astronauts and loot back to volcano lair
13. ...
14. Profit!!!
I'd be careful. These plans were clearly not meant to be shared outside of L2. If the mission is blown you could get in a lot of trouble.Not even mentioning North Korean intelligence reading this and getting ideas.
OK guys, today has been a bit slow, but before you get bored, this is the plan:
1. We bring a Dragon2 prototype, a second stage and one of the reused boosters (noone would notice one missing) to the docks tonight.
2. There we load them onto the cargo submarine that was secretly built out of the old JTRI
3. Ship everything to the Vulcano lair island
4. There we upgrade the cork heat shield and PICA-X of both vehicles with a stealth - radar absorbing variant
6. The integrated vehicle is tugged to the south Atlantic on board JRTI
7. Launch the dragon on a polar orbit over the south pole, so noone notices. Direct injection into a highly eccentric orbit (lunar flyby + free return)
8. Near the moon we use the super-dracos and gravity assist to change plane to match ISS
9. High velocity rendezvous during the ISS's night when the astronauts are sleeping. Orbit circularition and docking in one single maneuver (it's just like the suicide burn at landing, right?) - approach periapsis below carman line - use aerobreaking during that approach, too, we're coming in "hot"
10. Infilttrate the station, without waking the astronauts, grab the loot, seal the hatch and detach. That's what we did these drills for the last weeks, to manage that in less than 60 seconds.
11. deorbit near the waiting drone ship in open ocean. No landing burn (fuel was used in orbital maneuvers) just old fashioned parashute splashdown.
12. Bring dragon, astronauts and loot back to volcano lair
13. ...
14. Profit!!!
OK guys, today has been a bit slow, but before you get bored, this is the plan:
1. We bring a Dragon2 prototype, a second stage and one of the reused boosters (noone would notice one missing) to the docks tonight.
2. There we load them onto the cargo submarine that was secretly built out of the old JTRI
3. Ship everything to the Vulcano lair island
4. There we upgrade the cork heat shield and PICA-X of both vehicles with a stealth - radar absorbing variant
6. The integrated vehicle is tugged to the south Atlantic on board JRTI
7. Launch the dragon on a polar orbit over the south pole, so noone notices. Direct injection into a highly eccentric orbit (lunar flyby + free return)
8. Near the moon we use the super-dracos and gravity assist to change plane to match ISS
9. High velocity rendezvous during the ISS's night when the astronauts are sleeping. Orbit circularition and docking in one single maneuver (it's just like the suicide burn at landing, right?) - approach periapsis below carman line - use aerobreaking during that approach, too, we're coming in "hot"
10. Infilttrate the station, without waking the astronauts, grab the loot, seal the hatch and detach. That's what we did these drills for the last weeks, to manage that in less than 60 seconds.
11. deorbit near the waiting drone ship in open ocean. No landing burn (fuel was used in orbital maneuvers) just old fashioned parashute splashdown.
12. Bring dragon, astronauts and loot back to volcano lair
13. ...
14. Profit!!!
You actually had me going until I realised the one flaw in an otherwise perfectly cromulent crime...how are they going to get JTRI through the Panama Canal to the South Atlantic without the SpaceX flotilla-spotters noticing? Or is it a reeeeeeally cunning plan that involves going west over the edge of the flat earth and popping up on the other side?
Pad GremlinsTM
Pending F9 not actually being on the pad at time of writing, someone needs to photoshop the 39A TEL with a cell phone tweeting "Hey guys, F9 is on the pad. Come see!"
Pending F9 not actually being on the pad at time of writing, someone needs to photoshop the 39A TEL with a cell phone tweeting "Hey guys, F9 is on the pad. Come see!"
"Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you just might get it..."
Seriously though, I'm not actually tweeting this one (not only would nobody notice, it would probably land me on a "fake news" watchlist), but everyone else is free to use it. It's not perfect, but it's somewhat passable - no legs on the F9, and the pic of 39A isn't recent, so nobody will recognize the original picture. Oh, and I kept in some venting, to add urgency to the equation :P
You needn't worry. We can TEL it's not realPending F9 not actually being on the pad at time of writing, someone needs to photoshop the 39A TEL with a cell phone tweeting "Hey guys, F9 is on the pad. Come see!"
"Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you just might get it..."
Seriously though, I'm not actually tweeting this one (not only would nobody notice, it would probably land me on a "fake news" watchlist), but everyone else is free to use it. It's not perfect, but it's somewhat passable - no legs on the F9, and the pic of 39A isn't recent, so nobody will recognize the original picture. Oh, and I kept in some venting, to add urgency to the equation :P
It would be really naughty if I tweeted that! ;D (I really wouldn't....people would frown) ;)
OK guys, today has been a bit slow, but before you get bored, this is the plan:
1. We bring a Dragon2 prototype, a second stage and one of the reused boosters (noone would notice one missing) to the docks tonight.
2. There we load them onto the cargo submarine that was secretly built out of the old JTRI
3. Ship everything to the Vulcano lair island
4. There we upgrade the cork heat shield and PICA-X of both vehicles with a stealth - radar absorbing variant
6. The integrated vehicle is tugged to the south Atlantic on board JRTI
7. Launch the dragon on a polar orbit over the south pole, so noone notices. Direct injection into a highly eccentric orbit (lunar flyby + free return)
8. Near the moon we use the super-dracos and gravity assist to change plane to match ISS
9. High velocity rendezvous during the ISS's night when the astronauts are sleeping. Orbit circularition and docking in one single maneuver (it's just like the suicide burn at landing, right?) - approach periapsis below carman line - use aerobreaking during that approach, too, we're coming in "hot"
10. Infilttrate the station, without waking the astronauts, grab the loot, seal the hatch and detach. That's what we did these drills for the last weeks, to manage that in less than 60 seconds.
11. deorbit near the waiting drone ship in open ocean. No landing burn (fuel was used in orbital maneuvers) just old fashioned parashute splashdown.
12. Bring dragon, astronauts and loot back to volcano lair
13. ...
14. Profit!!!
Pad GremlinsTM
Fixed that for ya.
Pad GremlinsTM
Fixed that for ya.
Shouldn't that be Pad Gremlin ElementsTM? ;D
OK guys, today has been a bit slow, but before you get bored, this is the plan:
1. We bring a Dragon2 prototype, a second stage and one of the reused boosters (noone would notice one missing) to the docks tonight.
2. There we load them onto the cargo submarine that was secretly built out of the old JTRI
3. Ship everything to the Vulcano lair island
4. There we upgrade the cork heat shield and PICA-X of both vehicles with a stealth - radar absorbing variant
6. The integrated vehicle is tugged to the south Atlantic on board JRTI
7. Launch the dragon on a polar orbit over the south pole, so noone notices. Direct injection into a highly eccentric orbit (lunar flyby + free return)
8. Near the moon we use the super-dracos and gravity assist to change plane to match ISS
9. High velocity rendezvous during the ISS's night when the astronauts are sleeping. Orbit circularition and docking in one single maneuver (it's just like the suicide burn at landing, right?) - approach periapsis below carman line - use aerobreaking during that approach, too, we're coming in "hot"
10. Infilttrate the station, without waking the astronauts, grab the loot, seal the hatch and detach. That's what we did these drills for the last weeks, to manage that in less than 60 seconds.
11. deorbit near the waiting drone ship in open ocean. No landing burn (fuel was used in orbital maneuvers) just old fashioned parashute splashdown.
12. Bring dragon, astronauts and loot back to volcano lair
13. ...
14. Profit!!!
You actually had me going until I realised the one flaw in an otherwise perfectly cromulent crime...how are they going to get JTRI through the Panama Canal to the South Atlantic without the SpaceX flotilla-spotters noticing? Or is it a reeeeeeally cunning plan that involves going west over the edge of the flat earth and popping up on the other side?
QuoteOK guys, today has been a bit slow, but before you get bored, this is the plan:
1. We bring a Dragon2 prototype, a second stage and one of the reused boosters (noone would notice one missing) to the docks tonight.
2. There we load them onto the cargo submarine that was secretly built out of the old JTRI
3. Ship everything to the Vulcano lair island
4. There we upgrade the cork heat shield and PICA-X of both vehicles with a stealth - radar absorbing variant
6. The integrated vehicle is tugged to the south Atlantic on board JRTI
7. Launch the dragon on a polar orbit over the south pole, so noone notices. Direct injection into a highly eccentric orbit (lunar flyby + free return)
8. Near the moon we use the super-dracos and gravity assist to change plane to match ISS
9. High velocity rendezvous during the ISS's night when the astronauts are sleeping. Orbit circularition and docking in one single maneuver (it's just like the suicide burn at landing, right?) - approach periapsis below carman line - use aerobreaking during that approach, too, we're coming in "hot"
10. Infilttrate the station, without waking the astronauts, grab the loot, seal the hatch and detach. That's what we did these drills for the last weeks, to manage that in less than 60 seconds.
11. deorbit near the waiting drone ship in open ocean. No landing burn (fuel was used in orbital maneuvers) just old fashioned parashute splashdown.
12. Bring dragon, astronauts and loot back to volcano lair
13. ...
14. Profit!!!
I'm gonna try that in KSP, with some minor changes to the plan here and there, most notably no polar launch, and taking the F9 stack to the Island Runway.
There is method to the madness (Lar's words).
Pending F9 not actually being on the pad at time of writing, someone needs to photoshop the 39A TEL with a cell phone tweeting "Hey guys, F9 is on the pad. Come see!"LC39A's TEL is apparently a reincarnated 9 year old, little brat.
People rush to KSC, see an empty TEL. "@39ATEL: What gives man?"
Pending F9 not actually being on the pad at time of writing, someone needs to photoshop the 39A TEL with a cell phone tweeting "Hey guys, F9 is on the pad. Come see!"
"Be careful what you wish for, 'cause you just might get it..."
Seriously though, I'm not actually tweeting this one (not only would nobody notice, it would probably land me on a "fake news" watchlist), but everyone else is free to use it. It's not perfect, but it's somewhat passable - no legs on the F9, and the pic of 39A isn't recent, so nobody will recognize the original picture. Oh, and I kept in some venting, to add urgency to the equation :P
EDIT: It suddenly occurs to me that I completely misunderstood the original request - poor Chris wanted a lighthearted joke about the TEL posting its own tweets, and instead I gave him a picture full of lies. Oh well.
Perhaps then we'll see a door installed on the booster that opens upon landing and a robotic arm articulates out holding a garage door opener. Of course then it comes back to landing accuracy and the ability to orient the booster so that the door is pointing the right way...
Don't forget to evict the eels first ... ;D
Moving to NET Feb 17. New target is with NASA, so expect this to be official shortly. No word from KSC on the Static Fire schedule (was NET Feb 9).
I hear there's some launch vehicle-to-TEL attachment issues they're working through...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hEx-wgrdAw
Stopped at the Hammer Museum a few years ago on an Alaska cruise. It was a real "hit" with the cruise mates.
Stopped at the Hammer Museum a few years ago on an Alaska cruise. It was a real "hit" with the cruise mates.
I bet you walked away from that post thinking, "Nailed it!" ::)
Stopped at the Hammer Museum a few years ago on an Alaska cruise. It was a real "hit" with the cruise mates.
I bet you walked away from that post thinking, "Nailed it!" ::)
Please lay off the tacky puns. If the mods see it, we're screwed.
Please lay off the tacky puns. If the mods see it, we're screwed.Don't make me claw back control of this thread.
Please lay off the tacky puns. If the mods see it, we're screwed.Don't make me claw back control of this thread.
Aren't you be a little Heavy Handed there, Lar?Please lay off the tacky puns. If the mods see it, we're screwed.Don't make me claw back control of this thread.
Musk throws our conclusions into doubtThe Roadie, et al, got it wrong... It's actually his new TBM...Quote@elonmuskJoking aside, this was in response to a question asking if it is 1023 rather than a new side core, so I guess that's confirmation.
@VoltzCoreAudio I don't know what make you think that's a rocket. It's completely covered in a tarpaulin...
Who is this guy Lars that Gramps is talking to? Gramps must be hammered.Don't drink and type... ;D
My, this party thread has picked up. It's just tooling along.
I'll be in the spacebar.
I don't mean to be offensive but I have not seen such a collection of tools in one thread in a long time ;).
This definition is self-contradicting: How could one possibly launch a paper rocket? How could one possibly complete a mission without a launch?So, can we finally dispense with the paper rocket nonsense?It is paper rocket until second when it successfully completes maiden mission.
As far I am concerned, it is in "always 6 months away" limbo until proven otherwise.
A flight-ready hardware assembly is a real rocket. This one even more so, since it's already flown a successful mission as a real rocket.
Just face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Just face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.It's SOP for them so the old guys on here don't sweat it much... If anything actually happened on time I'd probably pass out from shock... :o ;D
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Just face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.I honestly expected them to take a week or more to get all 4 components working together properly with GSE for the first static fire (TEL/rocket/platform/pad). The rocket's only been vertical the first time for a day or so, so I don't think it's going all that bad so far.
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Just face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.If you face-palm every time SpaceX picks an optimistic and aggressive NET (especially for new hardware), you are going to suffer traumatic brain injury.
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Noting this is an update only thread (not that some people take any notice ;D) Anyone who claims there's venting needs to be showing it via a photo, because the last photo I saw, which was posted a minute afterwards, showed no venting. As soon as we get venting, which may be very soon, random internet comments "venting" only count if they show it in a photo :)
Do what, asplode? :o Oh, I see you edited your post above... Never mind then... ;DJust face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.If you face-palm every time SpaceX picks an optimistic and aggressive NET (especially for new hardware), you are going to suffer traumatic brain injury.
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Last year they settled into a really solid rhythm until their rocket asploded. Once everything gets shaken out, I have no doubt they will do so again this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y0T_jmb3I8Do what, asplode? :oJust face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.If you face-palm every time SpaceX picks an optimistic and aggressive NET (especially for new hardware), you are going to suffer traumatic brain injury.
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Last year they settled into a really solid rhythm until their rocket asploded. Once everything gets shaken out, I have no doubt they will do so again this year.
Love Bugs... He's from Brooklyn, I'm from the Bronx... :)Do what, asplode? :oJust face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.If you face-palm every time SpaceX picks an optimistic and aggressive NET (especially for new hardware), you are going to suffer traumatic brain injury.
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Last year they settled into a really solid rhythm until their rocket asploded. Once everything gets shaken out, I have no doubt they will do so again this year.
Last year they settled into a really solid rhythm until their rocket asploded.
Just face-palmed myself when I found out the CRS-10 static fire was moved to Sunday.If you face-palm every time SpaceX picks an optimistic and aggressive NET (especially for new hardware), you are going to suffer traumatic brain injury.
I don't know why, but it's so annoying that SpaceX is never ready when the day comes.
Last year they settled into a really solid rhythm until their rocket asploded. Once everything gets shaken out, I have no doubt they will do so again this year.
Edit: I mean the steady launch cadence part, not the rocket asploding part. I'm pro-steady cadence, anti-rocket-sploding.
Fire in the hole!! :)Tis but the smallest fire....
But no grenading... ;)Fire in the hole!! :)Tis but the smallest fire....
When a NET isn't really NET is when the NET moves back left again! ;DShameless dilution of the meaning of NET. They should change it to Not Earlier Except When Before (NEEWB)
KSC L2 schedule shows SpaceX re-requesting NET Feb 28 (0027– 0257 Eastern)!
I just figured it's "Not Expected Till"... ;D
I just figured it's "Not Expected Till"... ;D
Or, in most cases, you can also call "NET" "Will not happen on or near" ;)
When a NET isn't really NET is when the NET moves back left again! ;D
KSC L2 schedule shows SpaceX re-requesting NET Feb 28 (0027– 0257 Eastern)!
When a NET isn't really NET is when the NET moves back left again! ;D
KSC L2 schedule shows SpaceX re-requesting NET Feb 28 (0027– 0257 Eastern)!
It's just a jump to the left, then a step to the right... let's do the time warp again!
I think we're all overlooking the obvious cause of this NET conundrum; we seem to be *assuming* they mean February, 2017. I, however, see nothing to indicate they don't mean February 28th, 2018 - which would fit with the prior NET due to coming after it. 8)
Fortunately it's not Feb 29.
March -1 ..... The anti-first of March...... March madness! :oWhat happened to March 0th?
March -1 ..... The anti-first of March...... March madness! :oWhat happened to March 0th?
March -1 ..... The anti-first of March...... March madness! :o
What happened to March 0th?
From the FH demo mission discussion (on whether the side booster recently observed in transport from Hawthore means the FH is a real rocket or not):
envy887, I have it on good authority (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/829441987686182912) that FH is not a real rocket yet. There's a new acid test for when a rocket goes from "paper" to "real". Apparently, it's not a real rocket until the tarpaulin comes off.
and I got this from a friend in Durban, South Africa this morning after posting Elon's Twitter to her.
Quote: Hahahaha - immediately floods to mind The Little Prince who asked the pilot to draw him a sheep......and he wasn't satisfied wth all the pilot's various attempts, until he drew the Little Prince a box like shape with a tiny circle shaped hole on the one side and told him to peer thru that hole and inside he would see the sheep he wanted...
So - what do you all want to "see" beneath that tarpaulin.....
Elon is responding to the Little Prince in all of you & teasing you a bit....that's what I think.... End Quote
So - what do you all want to "see" beneath that tarpaulin.....
Elon is responding to the Little Prince in all of you & teasing you a bit....that's what I think.... End Quote
@sc00bs It's much easier to do the CGI that way
Yeah, was on a video call with some people in San Diego and they wanted off so the could build an ark. People are taking the rain event very, very, very seriously.Rainmageddon! Seriously, Hawaii needs to knock this sh*t off.
Rats!
Yet another attempt foiled by somebody running into the control room and yelling "HOLD HOLD HOLD" into the microphones.They need a bulk order of gags STAT!
When will SpaceX learn?
Rats, I Blame it On the Moderators here.. ;)it is not wise to blame the moderators, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
We don't know (or do we?) who called "hold hold hold" on the launch net. It could have been Elon, or the launch director, or one of the control room team, or the CAPCOM, or even one of the crew on the Dragon.I think it was the Dragon crew
Perhaps someone forgot to load the lunch, and the crew found out as the count neared zero?
We don't know (or do we?) who called "hold hold hold" on the launch net. It could have been Elon, or the launch director, or one of the control room team, or the CAPCOM, or even one of the crew on the Dragon.
If you re-watch the landing as aired on NASA TV, I think the claimed double sonic boom is really two shotgun blasts because less than 10 seconds later they show a bird falling from the sky. :o
Nah. The Falcon landed; it was the seagull that fell.If you re-watch the landing as aired on NASA TV, I think the claimed double sonic boom is really two shotgun blasts because less than 10 seconds later they show a bird falling from the sky. :o
Worse still, it's illegal to hunt Falcons and other raptors in the U.S. - somebody's gonna be getting a visit from local authorities!
I have read of a few people comparing this launch from 39A to Apollo 11......to me it looked more like Apollo 12, flying into those clouds. I am just glad we did not need to switch SCE to AUX.https://streamable.com/v9zjg
I have read of a few people comparing this launch from 39A to Apollo 11......to me it looked more like Apollo 12, flying into those clouds. I am just glad we did not need to switch SCE to AUX.https://streamable.com/v9zjg
courtesy of /u/Entrepreneutralizer on reddit.
phone.vidHis phone is actually the computer that is running the graphics processor responsible for the CGI effects behind the daytime rocket landing. If he doesn't start running the XmarkstheSpot.BullseyeTM App right at launch, it doesn't have enough time to finish compiling. Then people wouldn't get to claim that they saw the landing happen during daylight.
phone.vidHis phone is actually the computer that is running the graphics processor responsible for the CGI effects behind the daytime rocket landing. If he doesn't start running the XmarkstheSpot.BullseyeTM App right at launch, it doesn't have enough time to finish compiling. Then people wouldn't get to claim that they saw the landing happen during daylight.
phone.vidHis phone is actually the computer that is running the graphics processor responsible for the CGI effects behind the daytime rocket landing. If he doesn't start running the XmarkstheSpot.BullseyeTM App right at launch, it doesn't have enough time to finish compiling. Then people wouldn't get to claim that they saw the landing happen during daylight.
Technology has progressed since Kubrick and the fake moon landings.
phone.vidHis phone is actually the computer that is running the graphics processor responsible for the CGI effects behind the daytime rocket landing. If he doesn't start running the XmarkstheSpot.BullseyeTM App right at launch, it doesn't have enough time to finish compiling. Then people wouldn't get to claim that they saw the landing happen during daylight.
Technology has progressed since Kubrick and the fake moon landings.
Everything changed when they came up with the app that makes the earth look spherical.
He's just texting SpaceX to let them know its launched incase they weren't aware.
plane(http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/bitrix/components/bitrix/forum.interface/show_file.php?fid=68735&width=500&height=500)bird
Great launch . next time will be nice to use IR cameras to show the rocket through the clouds ( ?? )
When I look on Pad 39A I had the Idea to overlap a laser 3D image with the space shuttle contour in real size
on pad 39A . sounds crazy ?
Another thing you don't know is the scale of those things. They could be close and small, or far and larger, but with a single camera you have no real perspective.
Great launch . next time will be nice to use IR cameras to show the rocket through the clouds ( ?? )
When I look on Pad 39A I had the Idea to overlap a laser 3D image with the space shuttle contour in real size
on pad 39A . sounds crazy ?
Best I could do. Totally different perspectives but the lightning tower and tower size are pretty close. I used a photo taken by Ken Kremer. If this isn't appropriate, please delete Lar...... not my gif ;)
Your photo is mirror-imaged - needs to be flipped L-R
Great launch . next time will be nice to use IR cameras to show the rocket through the clouds ( ?? )
When I look on Pad 39A I had the Idea to overlap a laser 3D image with the space shuttle contour in real size
on pad 39A . sounds crazy ?
Best I could do. Totally different perspectives but the lightning tower and tower size are pretty close. I used a photo taken by Ken Kremer. If this isn't appropriate, please delete Lar...... not my gif ;)
"Lar? Who's Lar? Oh, yeah...some guy who used to be around here. Into Legos or sumthin'."Great launch . next time will be nice to use IR cameras to show the rocket through the clouds ( ?? )
When I look on Pad 39A I had the Idea to overlap a laser 3D image with the space shuttle contour in real size
on pad 39A . sounds crazy ?
Best I could do. Totally different perspectives but the lightning tower and tower size are pretty close. I used a photo taken by Ken Kremer. If this isn't appropriate, please delete Lar...... not my gif ;)
wait, what?
because HIS gif is wrong **I** am supposed to be deleted? Something's just not right.
Don't know if it has been asked before, but I would love to see a post summarizing all the news/posts/comments by others that claiming it is not possible to get a rocket 1st stage back/it is not possible to reuse/it is not economical to reuse it this way. It will be a great reminder how great and revolutionary SpaceX's reusability efforts are.
It will be fun to watch the change of comments to be: this is not a big deal at all.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1oRVvvaakPretty cool phone "launch-button" app... 8) ;D
"What the...!? I thought it was a new game!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B1oRVvvaakPretty cool phone "launch-button" app... 8) ;D
Extreme respect for owning being wrong. This is not done enough on this forum (that being said, here it is far far more common than in the rest of society).Don't know if it has been asked before, but I would love to see a post summarizing all the news/posts/comments by others that claiming it is not possible to get a rocket 1st stage back/it is not possible to reuse/it is not economical to reuse it this way. It will be a great reminder how great and revolutionary SpaceX's reusability efforts are.
It will be fun to watch the change of comments to be: this is not a big deal at all.......
Interesting idea! I doubt I can find my posts, and only a few of my below comments were posted here anyway, but here are some things I said over the years;
#1, parachute recovery won't work, and is pointless anyway - a complex rocket dipped in seawater is a paperweight. Therefor, SpaceX won't be able to do reusability. (Said just before the first F9 launch).
#2, RTLS takes too much margin, it's not feasible. (Said after the first rumors of RTLS began).
#3, the first landing of a SpaceX mission 1st stage will be on a floating platform (said before we found out about ASDS). I lost a 1$ bet on that one. (First landing was on land).
#4, No way, no how, will the range ever approve a RTLS before several safe landings on ASDS have been achieved, including at least one just offshore of the Cape. (said after the first ASDS landing attempt).
"Lar? Who's Lar? Oh, yeah...some guy who used to be around here. Into Legos or sumthin'."Great launch . next time will be nice to use IR cameras to show the rocket through the clouds ( ?? )
When I look on Pad 39A I had the Idea to overlap a laser 3D image with the space shuttle contour in real size
on pad 39A . sounds crazy ?
Best I could do. Totally different perspectives but the lightning tower and tower size are pretty close. I used a photo taken by Ken Kremer. If this isn't appropriate, please delete Lar...... not my gif ;)
wait, what?
because HIS gif is wrong **I** am supposed to be deleted? Something's just not right.
Extreme respect for owning being wrong. This is not done enough on this forum (that being said, here it is far far more common than in the rest of society).Don't know if it has been asked before, but I would love to see a post summarizing all the news/posts/comments by others that claiming it is not possible to get a rocket 1st stage back/it is not possible to reuse/it is not economical to reuse it this way. It will be a great reminder how great and revolutionary SpaceX's reusability efforts are.
It will be fun to watch the change of comments to be: this is not a big deal at all.......
Interesting idea! I doubt I can find my posts, and only a few of my below comments were posted here anyway, but here are some things I said over the years;
#1, parachute recovery won't work, and is pointless anyway - a complex rocket dipped in seawater is a paperweight. Therefor, SpaceX won't be able to do reusability. (Said just before the first F9 launch).
#2, RTLS takes too much margin, it's not feasible. (Said after the first rumors of RTLS began).
#3, the first landing of a SpaceX mission 1st stage will be on a floating platform (said before we found out about ASDS). I lost a 1$ bet on that one. (First landing was on land).
#4, No way, no how, will the range ever approve a RTLS before several safe landings on ASDS have been achieved, including at least one just offshore of the Cape. (said after the first ASDS landing attempt).
It's quiet in here...
too quiet!
People who misuse punctuation should have their colons removed."Lar? Who's Lar? Oh, yeah...some guy who used to be around here. Into Legos or sumthin'."Great launch . next time will be nice to use IR cameras to show the rocket through the clouds ( ?? )
When I look on Pad 39A I had the Idea to overlap a laser 3D image with the space shuttle contour in real size
on pad 39A . sounds crazy ?
Best I could do. Totally different perspectives but the lightning tower and tower size are pretty close. I used a photo taken by Ken Kremer. If this isn't appropriate, please delete Lar...... not my gif ;)
wait, what?
because HIS gif is wrong **I** am supposed to be deleted? Something's just not right.
"punctuation saves lives" for example "Let's go eat, Grandma" vs. "Let's go eat Grandma"
Okay, there's big news on other threads - a SpaceX lunar mission! With crew! And paying crew, at that.
Could it be more Mousetranauts? "The moon is made of green cheese" and all that?
I'm also wondering if the lunar mission will be a flyby, or a landing? I ran some numbers, and while it's true that the dragon/FH system (as currently assumed to be configured - no service module) does not have the ability to enter lunar orbit (The upper stage wouldn't remain operational long enough), that system *does* have the ability to land a Dragon 2 on the moon if a direct trajectory is used. Final approach speed would be about 1.5 miles per second. If Dragon 2 did a max-throttle (Same reason SpaceX tries 3-engine landing burn on edge-of-the envelope low margin mission) for a "hoverslam" landing, it would reduce the landing velocity by about .27 miles per second. So a landing is absolutely possible.
Just renewed my L2. On two previous occasions, this was followed shortly after by a SpaceX rocket exploding. With no launch planned within a few days, it should be safe now. ;)
Just renewed my L2. On two previous occasions, this was followed shortly after by a SpaceX rocket exploding. With no launch planned within a few days, it should be safe now. ;)
To be exact... the next rocket launched WILL have an planned event... ???
Stage 1 is scheduled to explode... on impact with the ocean... :P ;)
BTW... where IS that LAR fellow... I'm getting worried about him... :(
People who misuse punctuation should have their colons removed.
Okay, there's big news on other threads - a SpaceX lunar mission! With crew! And paying crew, at that.
Could it be more Mousetranauts? "The moon is made of green cheese" and all that?
I'm also wondering if the lunar mission will be a flyby, or a landing? I ran some numbers, and while it's true that the dragon/FH system (as currently assumed to be configured - no service module) does not have the ability to enter lunar orbit (The upper stage wouldn't remain operational long enough), that system *does* have the ability to land a Dragon 2 on the moon if a direct trajectory is used. Final approach speed would be about 1.5 miles per second. If Dragon 2 did a max-throttle (Same reason SpaceX tries 3-engine landing burn on edge-of-the envelope low margin mission) for a "hoverslam" landing, it would reduce the landing velocity by about .27 miles per second. So a landing is absolutely possible.
There's only 2 mousetronauts that would put up for such a mission:
...
One is a genius
The other's insane.
They're laboratory mice
Their genes have been spliced
They're dinky
They're Pinky and The Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain.
...
Okay, there's big news on other threads - a SpaceX lunar mission! With crew! And paying crew, at that.
Could it be more Mousetranauts? "The moon is made of green cheese" and all that?
I'm also wondering if the lunar mission will be a flyby, or a landing? I ran some numbers, and while it's true that the dragon/FH system (as currently assumed to be configured - no service module) does not have the ability to enter lunar orbit (The upper stage wouldn't remain operational long enough), that system *does* have the ability to land a Dragon 2 on the moon if a direct trajectory is used. Final approach speed would be about 1.5 miles per second. If Dragon 2 did a max-throttle (Same reason SpaceX tries 3-engine landing burn on edge-of-the envelope low margin mission) for a "hoverslam" landing, it would reduce the landing velocity by about .27 miles per second. So a landing is absolutely possible.
There's only 2 mousetronauts that would put up for such a mission:
...
One is a genius
The other's insane.
They're laboratory mice
Their genes have been spliced
They're dinky
They're Pinky and The Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain
Brain.
...
Pinky: What are we gonna do tommorrow night Brain?
Brain: Same thing we do every night Pinky, try and take over the capsule!
Just renewed my L2. On two previous occasions, this was followed shortly after by a SpaceX rocket exploding. With no launch planned within a few days, it should be safe now. ;)
Just renewed my L2. On two previous occasions, this was followed shortly after by a SpaceX rocket exploding. With no launch planned within a few days, it should be safe now. ;)
You are hereby ordered to upgrade to lifetime subscription so you do not have to renew. This will save SpaceX a lot of money and ensures we do not have to suffer 6 month+ dry spells of no SpaceX launches.
;)
Look's like Brianna Wu want's to stop SpaceX's plan for lunar world domination.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/28/brianna-wu-claims-companies-could-destroy-cities-b/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/28/brianna-wu-claims-companies-could-destroy-cities-b/)
In case you don't know who she is, she is running for the US House of representatives in Massachusetts 8th congressional district. The 8th district is seriously democratic, as a democrat all she has to do is win the primary against Lynch (a dem) to get the seat.
btw. Living in the conservative 2nd District I only had two Republicans on my last ballot (President and Sheriff).
So let the stone throwing begin!!!
Look's like Brianna Wu want's to stop SpaceX's plan for lunar world domination.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/28/brianna-wu-claims-companies-could-destroy-cities-b/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/28/brianna-wu-claims-companies-could-destroy-cities-b/)
In case you don't know who she is, she is running for the US House of representatives in Massachusetts 8th congressional district. The 8th district is seriously democratic, as a democrat all she has to do is win the primary against Lynch (a dem) to get the seat.
btw. Living in the conservative 2nd District I only had two Republicans on my last ballot (President and Sheriff).
So let the stone throwing begin!!!
I kind of doubt that she's got much of a chance.
I kind of doubt that she's got much of a chance.
I kind of doubt that she's got much of a chance.
I kind of doubt that she's got much of a chance.
11/8/2016 showed the fallacy of that kind of thinking.
Wait, you think SpaceX should officially endorse Giant Meteor in 2018? Would Giant Meteor settle for Congress? I thought it had higher aspirations.
I kind of doubt that she's got much of a chance.
11/8/2016 showed the fallacy of that kind of thinking.
Well, if SpaceX get's it's act together by November 6th, 2018, they could use a rock to tamp it down.
Entry speed 19km/s, (Apollo Capsule reentry speed 11km/s)
Size, 20m, (Size of a house)
Mass, 12,000-13,000 metric tonnes (a little heavier than an Arleigh Burke class destroyer)
Yield, 400-500 kT
Lunar Escape DV, 2.38 km/s
So to flatten Boston, we need to accelerate an Arleigh Burke destroyer to 2.38 km/s. Anyone know the ISP of the USS Mason?
I kind of doubt that she's got much of a chance.
11/8/2016 showed the fallacy of that kind of thinking.
Well, if SpaceX get's it's act together by November 6th, 2018, they could use a rock to tamp it down.
Wait, you think SpaceX should officially endorse Giant Meteor in 2018? Would Giant Meteor settle for Congress? I thought it had higher aspirations.
Two possible campaign slogans come to mind -- "Rock On!" and "Make An Impact!" ;D
Two possible campaign slogans come to mind -- "Rock On!" and "Make An Impact!" ;D
"Get Stoned!" sounds good!
Look's like Brianna Wu want's to stop SpaceX's plan for lunar world domination.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/28/brianna-wu-claims-companies-could-destroy-cities-b/
...
My caveat being that news outlets will often overstate and present (or even misrepresent) positions for maximum clickability.No, this is really a case of a potential political candidate making really outrageous claims. She doubled down on it.
Look's like Brianna Wu want's to stop SpaceX's plan for lunar world domination.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/28/brianna-wu-claims-companies-could-destroy-cities-b/
Just renewed my L2. On two previous occasions, this was followed shortly after by a SpaceX rocket exploding. With no launch planned within a few days, it should be safe now. ;)
You are hereby ordered to upgrade to lifetime subscription so you do not have to renew. This will save SpaceX a lot of money and ensures we do not have to suffer 6 month+ dry spells of no SpaceX launches.
;)
Okay, what's going on here? It's been 9 days since anyone posted in the party thread, and we're 24 hours from a launch! (and also, a lunch!).1030 won't be coming back, it's a very solemn event.
Are you lot skipping lunches altogether now? What's going on here? This diet craze has gone on long enough!
We should all watch carefully tonight as this will likely be one of the last sightings of a dying breed, a legless falcon. Its inability to stand upright without external supports has proven a serious disadvantage compared to recently evolved breeds. In addition to other adaptations it is missing, such as wings for control in downward flight, this has doomed it to extinction.
Legless falcons will still fly when maximum payload is needed.I didn't say this is the last one, and 3 falcons-with-legs (leggy falcons?) in formation will take this role in the future.
Does anyone know why they planned a 2 day attempt delay for this launch?...it's obviously because I have an exam tomorrow ;)
The “Santa Monica Observer” discovers the real reason the Falcon 9 launch was scrubbed early Tuesday: aliens. Of course.
Now I know why garage spaceship isn't working.QuoteThe “Santa Monica Observer” discovers the real reason the Falcon 9 launch was scrubbed early Tuesday: aliens. Of course.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/841967602746429441 (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/841967602746429441)
Why go with the simple rational explanation when a complex incredible one will do?
I'm not linking to the original article, which is clickbait and/or just completely unhinged ... Frankly it's a miracle SpaceX manage to ever launch anything (although as Elon said it's easier to fake the S1 landings in the dark).
What is vertical, has legs and fins?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a7/e1/64/a7e1646602f5aec8a3331162f36c45ed.jpg)
QuoteThe “Santa Monica Observer” discovers the real reason the Falcon 9 launch was scrubbed early Tuesday: aliens. Of course.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/841967602746429441 (https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/841967602746429441)
Why go with the simple rational explanation when a complex incredible one will do?
I'm not linking to the original article, which is clickbait and/or just completely unhinged ... Frankly it's a miracle SpaceX manage to ever launch anything (although as Elon said it's easier to fake the S1 landings in the dark).
Okay, what's going on here? It's been 9 days since anyone posted in the party thread, and we're 24 hours from a launch! (and also, a lunch!).1030 won't be coming back, it's a very solemn event.
Are you lot skipping lunches altogether now? What's going on here? This diet craze has gone on long enough!
So, errr, why is the video stream starting 30 minutes after the launch window opens? ..... Someone messin with meh? >:(
Oh sure..... now the update thread ...... updates ::)
I age 1 month every first minute of launch.
You make your Husky live in SC? ...... That's not right! ;)
I age 1 month every first minute of launch.
That by the way was one zoomy ascent compared to the landing launches. Go baby go!
That by the way was one zoomy ascent compared to the landing launches. Go baby go!
Hellz to the yeah it was! I can't wait to see the performance number crunching on that ascent. It was past the Kaman line within 20 seconds of S2 startup.
Those sideways shots immediately after liftoff are always a little disconcerting. I've seen that before a couple of times in SpaceX webcasts.
Happy Pie Day! ;D
Amazing about all this is two really substantial "weird" or unusual things -
We threw away a booster and this is now not right.
We're going to use a pre-flown one on the next flight and everybody will regard this as a big deal
Congrats to all at SpaceX, EchoStar and Space Systems Loral!
Dateline: April 1, 2077:
"In a daring at sea operation that some old hands at NSF.com considered foolish and unnecessary, Elon Musk II, grandson of SpaceX founder Elon Musk, led a mission to raise the remains of the booster fondly known as 1030, which was just about the last expendable F9 S1 flown. Elon II was quoted as saying 'we will be funding a complete restoration and donation of the booster to the popular tourist attraction Udvar Hazy II, located halfway up Mons Olympus, using profits from the most recent sol's worth of CommsX transmissions'... stay tuned to INN (Interplanetary News Network) as we provide complete coverage of the return to the Cape of this booster."
In other words, thank you 1030, for your noble sacrifice. And to the fine folk who provided such great coverage of this mission.
Hrmmm... it seems to me that all this talk about 1031 not landing is mistaken.
Add first non NASA launch from 39A... ;)
It's almost been 24 hr since the last launch. I need my fix.
Have they held the Statis fire for SES-10 yet?
It's almost been 24 hr since the last launch. I need my fix.
Have they held the Statis fire for SES-10 yet?
You missed it. It was back in April of 2016.
It's almost been 24 hr since the last launch. I need my fix.
Have they held the Statis fire for SES-10 yet?
You missed it. It was back in April of 2016.
I'm thinking that this might also be a record for the fastest turnaround at 39A (25 days). I don't know how to go about finding a list of all launches from there with dates, though.
Well this one went through a bunch of updates today, to summarize L2 (and this is the very latest and post Atlas V slip)My mind is pre-blown !!!!! :-)
39A Pad Shakedown Report - Cleared for use (really holding up well!)
Static Fire March 26
Launch March 29 (1659 - 1929 EDT)
First stage - remember, this one has already launched, will attempt a second landing on the ASDS. Getting this S1 back twice would blow a lot of minds! :)
Do we need to start a mind blown bingo? :o
Someone just *has* to play the Star Wars 'Imperial March' when Optimus Prime exits its garage...
Definitely think Xoomba should have a name.
"Catch as catch can"?
[...] how about a second landing on ASDS OCISLY, and the F9 stage will be secured by a large "Roomba" robot emerging from a "garage door" in the ASDS blastwall?
As fairly mentioned on the report to mods, we may need to land this party thread and launch it again ;) Let me have a think about the process.I knew it! The need to refurbish party threads is evidence that they will never be economically viable. In the long run all sane party thread providers will use expendable party threads.
There's no need for a new thread. This one is an older block, and might need a little refurbishment, but it should still have more life left in it:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39538.0
If at First You Succeed, Then Fly Fly Again Party ThreadNice. Suggest slight alteration: When First You Succeed, Then Fly Fly Again Party Thread
The Fully and Rapidly Reusable Party Thread Block 2
I stand by the suggestion that the party thread should be named.I'm contractually obligated to note that while I threw my like in with the suggestion, I am terribly put out that it's lacking its Oxford comma. :P
The "Launch, Land and Relaunch Party Thread" in honor of this historic flight and the subsequent flights.
I'm contractually obligated to note that while I threw my like in with the suggestion, I am terribly put out that it's lacking its Oxford comma. :PFor lack of an Oxford comma (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-21/the-case-of-the-$13-million-comma/8372956)
Finally, a hint was given in Spacex site as for the FH demo mass simulator
I stand by the suggestion that the party thread should be named.I'm contractually obligated to note that while I threw my like in with the suggestion, I am terribly put out that it's lacking its Oxford comma. :P
The "Launch, Land and Relaunch Party Thread" in honor of this historic flight and the subsequent flights.
I stand by the suggestion that the party thread should be named.
The "Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread" in honor of this historic flight and the subsequent flights.
<edit> oxford comma added... ;-) but happy with it either way....
I stand by the suggestion that the party thread should be named.
The "Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread" in honor of this historic flight and the subsequent flights.
<edit> oxford comma added... ;-) but happy with it either way....
Winner, winner, chicken dinner on the like count.
New thread....soon.
Finally, a hint was given in Spacex site as for the FH demo mass simulator
Finally, a hint was given in Spacex site as for the FH demo mass simulatorI'm still pushing for them to launch a Tesla Model S so that they can claim it can get more than 1,000,000 miles on a single charge.
I stand by the suggestion that the party thread should be named.
The "Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread" in honor of this historic flight and the subsequent flights.
<edit> oxford comma added... ;-) but happy with it either way....
Winner, winner, chicken dinner on the like count.
New thread....soon.
Why a new thread? Why not just, erm refurbish, the CRS-8 party thread with the new title?I stand by the suggestion that the party thread should be named.
The "Launch, Land, and Relaunch Party Thread" in honor of this historic flight and the subsequent flights.
<edit> oxford comma added... ;-) but happy with it either way....
Winner, winner, chicken dinner on the like count.
New thread....soon.