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Nice video on the UK Megaroc proposal, which includes archive footage and an animation of a potential Megaroc flight:



Further details:

https://www.bis-space.com/megaroc/

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Re: UK Megaroc - suborbital crewed V-2 derived rocket
« Reply #1 on: 11/24/2023 08:06 pm »
Spanish engineer Emilio Herrera proposed 1953 also to use V2 for manned suborbital flight

Text in french
http://aerobib.aero.upm.es/ehl/bibliografia/499.pdf


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Re: UK Megaroc - suborbital crewed V-2 derived rocket
« Reply #2 on: 11/30/2023 12:39 pm »
That's an interesting piece, thank you!

Am I reading correctly (my French is not very good) that a manned V-2 flight was proposed by the French equivalent of NACA?

It's also interesting that he takes quite seriously rumors that Sergei Ilyushin, son of the famous Soviet aircraft designer, made a 3-orbit flight shortly before Gagarin's flight.

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Re: UK Megaroc - suborbital crewed V-2 derived rocket
« Reply #3 on: 11/30/2023 04:52 pm »
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It's also interesting that he takes quite seriously rumors that Sergei Ilyushin, son of the famous Soviet aircraft designer, made a 3-orbit flight shortly before Gagarin's flight.

No he doesn't. He notes, first, that the rumour has been strongly debunked by the Soviets. Then he adds that the rumor of Illyushin landing inside USSR borders after three orbits (rather than Gagarin almost-complete single orbit) is not possible, because orbital mechanics (Gagarin had drifted by 22.30 degree west in just one orbit, hence three of them would result in 67.30 degree drift - and a landing in Spain - ironically, Mr Herrera native country).

My understanding is that Herrera was a spanish republican, hence in exile in France after 1936-39 civil war. In another document he mentions that others spanish republicans - young engineers in exile like him - came with the plan and wanted to borrow a V-2 from the French to make it happen.
Just like the Soviets (with the R-1 / R-2) and the Americans (Redstone extended family) the French were developing a V-2 derivate, albeit not a missile: but the Véronique sounding rocket. Before Veronique however were plans for R-1 / R-2 like improved V-2 missiles. But France lacked the resources to create something akin to the Redstone extended family - or R-1 / R-2 / R-5.
The IAF had been created in 1950 and its HQ was in Paris. It was a fora for many aerospace engineers in many nations. People like Herrera. 
« Last Edit: 11/30/2023 05:00 pm by Emmettvonbrown »

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Re: UK Megaroc - suborbital crewed V-2 derived rocket
« Reply #4 on: 11/30/2023 05:03 pm »
Funny to compare all four proposals for suborbital manned shots, using V-2 technology.

-UK : Megaroc

- France / Spain: Herrera

- USSR: Asif Siddiqui in Challenge to Apollo briefly mentions Soviet plans for manned suborbital R-2A flights, 1956-58. The R-7 & Vostok good progresses made this unnecessary. Also Tikhonravov earlier VR-190, which seemingly had Stalin approval in 1946 ! But bureaucracy killed it.

-America: Mercury - Redstone... although the rocket wasn't really a V-2 anymore, TBH.
« Last Edit: 12/01/2023 07:41 am by Emmettvonbrown »

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Re: UK Megaroc - suborbital crewed V-2 derived rocket
« Reply #5 on: 11/30/2023 07:32 pm »
Funny to compare all four proposals for suborbital manned shots, using V-2 technology.

...

-America: Mercury - Redstone... although the rocket wasn't really a V-2 anymore, TBH.

It was pretty close, though: a battlefield weapon with a 200-mile range, hydrogen-peroxide-powered pumps, jet vanes for thrust-vector control and designed to burn lox-alcohol, though lox-hydyne was used for space shots.

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Re: UK Megaroc - suborbital crewed V-2 derived rocket
« Reply #6 on: 12/01/2023 03:06 pm »
Funny to compare all four proposals for suborbital manned shots, using V-2 technology.

-UK : Megaroc

- France / Spain: Herrera

- USSR: Asif Siddiqui in Challenge to Apollo briefly mentions Soviet plans for manned suborbital R-2A flights, 1956-58. The R-7 & Vostok good progresses made this unnecessary. Also Tikhonravov earlier VR-190, which seemingly had Stalin approval in 1946 ! But bureaucracy killed it.

-America: Mercury - Redstone... although the rocket wasn't really a V-2 anymore, TBH.

And to this list we could add the US Army's proposal to use the Redstone for troop transport.



It seems to me that somewhere in this forum I've posted a document about that, but I can't find it.
« Last Edit: 12/01/2023 03:12 pm by Proponent »

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Re: UK Megaroc - suborbital crewed V-2 derived rocket
« Reply #7 on: 12/01/2023 04:34 pm »
Mark Felton on Megaroc:


« Last Edit: 12/01/2023 04:40 pm by Citabria »

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