Quote from: Blackstar on 09/28/2023 03:49 pmDarn, they had to do this on the one day that I get really busy...I guess this tease was a little more significant than some others
Darn, they had to do this on the one day that I get really busy...
Quote from: Targeteer on 09/28/2023 08:58 pmQuote from: Blackstar on 09/28/2023 03:49 pmDarn, they had to do this on the one day that I get really busy...I guess this tease was a little more significant than some others Yeah, although once my group broke for lunch from our task of saving planet Earth, I was able to read the press release and saw that they did not actually release much. We already knew the name, we also already knew what the satellites looked like. And as Jonathan McDowell can attest, we also had the numbers and the launch dates. So all they have done is confirm what was known, not provided any additional information that I can see. We'll still have to wait for that.Also, I think that artwork and model do not depict the early satellite, but a later iteration. Compare it to previously released materials.There was a graphic showing NRL satellites over several decades that I am pretty sure showed this spacecraft design before. I don't know what date that was or how they labeled it, but the graphic has been on the internet for a few decades now. We'll dig it up without too much trying.Update: found it.
Meanwhile I am curious about the last image in your post, as it shows 4 satellites not 3 ?
Quote from: Blackstar on 09/29/2023 02:02 amQuote from: Targeteer on 09/28/2023 08:58 pmQuote from: Blackstar on 09/28/2023 03:49 pmDarn, they had to do this on the one day that I get really busy...I guess this tease was a little more significant than some others Yeah, although once my group broke for lunch from our task of saving planet Earth, I was able to read the press release and saw that they did not actually release much. We already knew the name, we also already knew what the satellites looked like. And as Jonathan McDowell can attest, we also had the numbers and the launch dates. So all they have done is confirm what was known, not provided any additional information that I can see. We'll still have to wait for that.Also, I think that artwork and model do not depict the early satellite, but a later iteration. Compare it to previously released materials.There was a graphic showing NRL satellites over several decades that I am pretty sure showed this spacecraft design before. I don't know what date that was or how they labeled it, but the graphic has been on the internet for a few decades now. We'll dig it up without too much trying.Update: found it.<snip>Meanwhile I am curious about the last image in your post, as it shows 4 satellites not 3 ?
I guess this was a misinterpretation what the PARCAE launches looked like, which did leave four instead of three subsatellites in orbit.
I wonder if NRL will be adding anything on their pages and/or doing any events ?
NEWS | Sept. 29, 2023America’s Ears in Space: NRO Declassified NRL-Developed Electronic Intelligence Satellite ProgramBy Nicholas Pasquini, U.S. Naval Research Laboratory Corporate CommunicationsARLINGTON, Va. – During a Centennial Exhibition, held at the Pentagon on Sept. 28, to commemorate the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory’s (NRL) 100 years of operations, the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) declassified an NRL-developed electronic intelligence satellite program called Parcae.“With 100 years of history, the Naval Research Lab has been advancing science in national security well before we could actually leverage space,” said Dr. Troy Meink, principal deputy director of the NRO. “Today’s Centennial offers an opportunity to talk about how the lab’s many innovations have helped the National Reconnaissance Office use the vantage point of space to keep America safe and stronger.”Launched from 1976 to 1996, under mission numbers 7108 and 7120, Parcae and Improved Parcae were Low Earth Orbit electronic intelligence collection systems that downlinked the collected data to ground processing facilities located at selected locations around the world. Once received, the data was provided to the National Security Agency for processing and reporting to U.S. policymakers.After the success of the GRAB and Poppy signals collection programs, and with increasing concerns about the Soviet Navy, NRL, as part of the NRO’s Program C, developed the next system that would collect the needed information on the Soviet Union’s naval fleet. The system, Parcae, was the programmatic follow-on to GRAB and Poppy.Later on, the NRO developed the next generation of Parcae, referred to as Improved Parcae, which added the capability to collect against and recognize selected foreign communication systems.“What we are celebrating today, is not simply the journey of the Navy’s premiere research laboratory or its contributions to the naval service, instead we are celebrating a journey of American ingenuity and a legacy of our best scientists,” said Under Secretary of the Navy the Honorable Erik K. Raven and presiding host. “Our ability to deal with national security and economic threats of today rests heavily on the work of the scientists, engineers and support staff at the Naval Research Laboratory.” For the first time, a model of Parcae was on display during the exhibition. The NRL workforce showcased their past, present, and future research and highlighted the enduring relationship with government partners and the need for continued investment in scientific research.“With our eyes fixed on the future, NRL’s first century must inspire resilience in us as serious threats remain,” said Dr. Bruce Danly, NRL director of research. “The NRL ventures now into its next century with the same strong commitment to a vital mission that cannot rest.” Since opening its gates in 1923, NRL has changed warfighter technologies, advanced military capabilities, surpassed contemporary scientific understanding, and transferred vital innovations to industry. “We are indeed in an innovative race and it is one that we must win – innovation must always permeate every aspect of our Department’s approach to the delivery of technologies and capabilities at the speed and scale necessary for our Navy and Marine Corps to be successful,” said Secretary of the Navy the Honorable Carlos Del Toro. “I encourage all of you, our nation’s scientists, engineers, researcher, inventors, entrepreneurs and problem solvers to join us.” About the U.S. Naval Research LaboratoryNRL is a scientific and engineering command dedicated to research that drives innovative advances for the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps from the seafloor to space and in the information domain. NRL is located in Washington, D.C. with major field sites in Stennis Space Center, Mississippi; Key West, Florida; Monterey, California, and employs approximately 3,000 civilian scientists, engineers and support personnel.For more information, contact NRL Corporate Communications at (202) 480-3746 or [email protected].
Well shiver me timbers and call me a pirate. Look at the images. They're different satellites.
Quote from: Blackstar on 10/01/2023 02:33 amWell shiver me timbers and call me a pirate. Look at the images. They're different satellites.As only the the first two PARCAE missions were built by NRL and the later 1st generation PARCAE were built by Martin Marietta, this may explain the difference. The model satellite pretty much matches the photograph of the cluster "released" earlier.
But I suspect that the illustration on the left is just an early artist impression with less details then the finished satellite, while the model matches the real satellite.I do not think the model shows the 2nd generation improved PARCAE.
So this still leaves us with a mystery until we get further information. How come the artwork (and model) released by NRO doesn't look like the very first artwork leaked to Aviation Week, or the photo posted above? How come it looks like the 180/190 satellites in this illustration?One possibility is that they went through several iterations, a pyramidal shape, a box shape, and then whatever we got with the "improved" version. The press releases were really devoid of much information, but I'll stop gritting my teeth because I do think there's a good chance we'll get documents and maybe an official history out of this. And we can probably go ahead and FOIA the relevant section of The SIGINT Satellite Story now.It's worth revisiting my article from June 2021:https://thespacereview.com/article/4204/1"Whereas the early years of the PARCAE satellites appear to have been intended to give the US Navy the ability to track Soviet warships on the open ocean, by the 1980s, the goal became to use the satellites to enable the Navy to directly target ships with weapons. In the 2010 book From the Sea to the Stars: A Chronicle of the U.S. Navy's Space and Space-related Activities, 1944-2009, the authors describe how the US Navy in the early 1980s sought to integrate satellites directly into their warfighting. According to the book, the Naval Ocean Surveillance Information Center (NOSIC), located at Suitland, Maryland, gathered and correlated intelligence information from all sources that would be useful to the fleet. Shore-based Fleet Ocean Surveillance Information Centers or Facilities—like the one on Treasure Island used for Project TANGIBLE in 1971—were in each theater where naval forces operated. Information collected at these locations was then transmitted as classified messages to submarines, surface ships, and aircraft.By 1983, the US Navy was facing a dilemma because its Harpoon and Tomahawk anti-ship missiles could reach beyond the sensor range of their launching ships. At the time, the PARCAE satellites were providing data to Regional Reporting Centers, which then sent it to ships at sea as messages known as SELORs, for Ships Emitter Locating Reports.Although the details remain classified, the Navy soon adopted a new approach called the “sensor-to-shooter” concept. Instead of the PARCAE satellite data being sent to the RRCs and then to the ships, the information would be made automatically available to the weapons control stations in ships, subs, and aircraft. Navy ships and aircraft were already exchanging tactical data in near realtime. This approach meant that more data could be delivered in useable form. The data would also go to the intelligence nodes on land to be combined with other intelligence data.This new concept required that the satellite systems collect, process, and automatically report the information. The initial plan was that space-based radar would be an additional component, but this was never developed.This new approach required direct communications from the satellites to the ships and aircraft. This was implemented as the Tactical Data Information Exchange System-Broadcast (TADIXS-B). It was later replaced by the Tactical Receive Equipment (TRE) and Related Applications (TRAP) Broadcast. Eventually this evolved into the Integrated Broadcast Service Simplex (IBS-S). At some point the Navy developed the requirement for no more than a two-minute delay from time of observation to reporting to tactical users for early warning and targeting support—compared to the several hours it took to report the information a decade earlier. It is unclear how they achieved this impressive feat, but it apparently became the norm for the ocean surveillance system."
Previously we sometimes had good explanations for the names of satellite systems and sometimes we had to guess. PARCAE is actually rather obvious. The name derives from Roman mythology, where the Parcae determined the fate of mortals. The NRL satellites could determine the fate of ships during wartime. There were three Parcae, and their particular skills may have been directly related to what the satellites did.
The mythological Parcae were the three daughters of Zeus and the goddess Themida (the SSU satellites are launched in groups of three and fly relatively close together.) One of the daughters spins the thread of fate for each mortal (one satellite has a wide observation swath, but cannot exactly determine the coordinates of radio emitters). The second daughter measures out a length of thread for each person (when two satellites get a fix on the shipborne emitters, the position is obtained, but with some ambiguity). The third sister (Atropos - "she from whom one may not flee") cuts the measured thread of life (the third satellite, getting a fix on the emitters' signals, enables their coordinates to be determined precisely and then transmitted to Navy ships for weapons employment.
Calculations indicate that in order to compute the direction and speed of ships using one group of satellites it is necessary to have fixes with a precision of the order of 2 to 3 km, or 8 to 10 km if four satellites are used. The task of determining the bearings of naval targets is made easier by the fact that practically all ships have continually operating emitters fulfilling various purposes: communications, navigation, surface and air search, and weapons control.For determining the bearings of signals from different directions using the method of time difference of arrival, the intersatellite baselines (the imaginary straight line segments connecting the satellites) should form a right angle (or, at least, not be parallel). These conditions are fulfilled through the orbital parameters chosen for the satellites. As a group flies over the equator the baselines form a figure which is close to a right triangle (Fig. 2). However, in the polar regions, as the satellites go through latitudes which correspond to the maximum inclination of their orbits (around 63 deg.), the form of the group changes, and the satellites follow practically along one and the same trajectory one after the other. In order to avoid decreased signal bearing accuracy, the apogee portion of the orbit of one of the satellites is shifted relative to the apogee portions of the others. Thanks to this, in the polar regions one of the satellites moves 50 to 100 km lower [sic; this doesn't seem to agree with Figures 2 and 3] than the remaining ones, which lets the direction-finding baselines spread out and eliminates the "zone of inaccessability." (Fig. 3)
Out of interest, can you remember when this was first spelled out ? Oldest place I can recall is in Andronov's article, translated from the Russian by Allen Thomson, in 1993: https://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/report/1993/noss_andronov.htm
Quote from: LittleBird on 10/02/2023 10:15 amOut of interest, can you remember when this was first spelled out ? Oldest place I can recall is in Andronov's article, translated from the Russian by Allen Thomson, in 1993: https://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/report/1993/noss_andronov.htm I think it is in one of Richelson's books. Maybe the 1990 one, if not the earlier US Intelligence Community books.
Quote from: Blackstar on 10/02/2023 03:24 pmQuote from: LittleBird on 10/02/2023 10:15 amOut of interest, can you remember when this was first spelled out ? Oldest place I can recall is in Andronov's article, translated from the Russian by Allen Thomson, in 1993: https://www.globalsecurity.org/space/library/report/1993/noss_andronov.htm I think it is in one of Richelson's books. Maybe the 1990 one, if not the earlier US Intelligence Community books.Interestingly the copy I have, the 1995 3rd edition, has the PARCAE name and cites Andronov but actually doesn't have the explanation. I'll have a look at some of the other versions on archive.org at some point.
The focus of the now officially revealed PARCAE on ship detection has always confused and frustrated me. It's NRL roots obviously point to ship emissions detection being a focus, but having dealt with the receipt and use of it's data with SNIPmore useful and relevant, in my humble opinion. We did it during Southern Watch. Looking forward to further releases so discussions can occur without a visit from the FBI
Quote from: Targeteer on 10/02/2023 11:56 pmThe focus of the now officially revealed PARCAE on ship detection has always confused and frustrated me. It's NRL roots obviously point to ship emissions detection being a focus, but having dealt with the receipt and use of it's data with SNIPmore useful and relevant, in my humble opinion. We did it during Southern Watch. Looking forward to further releases so discussions can occur without a visit from the FBI I think part of the issue is going to be what/when. It clearly started as an ocean surveillance system in 1976. What it evolved into is another question. I'm hoping that we get a decent official history, but I've found the histories of SIGINT systems to be rather spotty.
(Sidenote: Tooting my own horn a bit here, but when I've researched and written about photo-reconnaissance satellites, there were already pretty good official histories of those programs that people can read. When it comes to the SIGINT stuff, they're a lot messier. It appears that they are not as well written, plus they have more random redactions.)