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Thread for the Starlink Group 12-1 launch.

Launch 25 November 2024, at 10:02:20 UTC (5:02 am EST), from CCSFS SLC-40, on booster 1080-13.  The first stage will land on Just Read the Instructions.

Payload 23 Starlink V2 Mini satellites, including 12 with Direct-to-Cell capabilities, to a 43 degree inclination orbit on a southeastern trajectory.  Initial orbit 321 x 330 km.

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Starlink launches, from either Florida pad, after Optus X and before GSAT-20.

My bold:
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated October 31:
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The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40 on November 3 at 4:57-8:57 p.m. EST. A Falcon 9 will launch the CRS-31 Cargo Dragon resupply mission to the ISS from pad 39A on November 4 at 9:29 p.m. EST. The first stage will land back at the Cape about eight minutes after launch. A Falcon 9 will launch the Koreasat 6A communication satellite from pad 40 on early November. The first stage will land back at the Cape about eight minutes after launch. A Falcon 9 will launch from pad 40. Upcoming launches include more Starlink batches. A Falcon 9 will launch the GSAT-20 communication satellite for India on mid-November. A Falcon 9 will launch the SiriusXM-9 communication satellite on November 23 earliest.

More November Starlink launches, from either Florida pad, after both Optus X and GSAT-20.

My bold:
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated November 8:
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The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40 on November 10 at 4:28-8:28 p.m. EST. A Falcon 9 will launch the Koreasat 6A communication satellite from pad 39A on November 11 at 12:07-4:07 p.m. EST. The first stage will land back at the Cape about eight minutes after launch. A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40 on November 13 at 6:00-10:00 a.m. EST. A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40. A Falcon 9 will launch from pad 39A on November 17 in the afternoon EST. A Falcon 9 will launch the GSAT-20 communication satellite for India from pad 40 on mid-November. Upcoming launches include more Starlink batches. A Falcon 9 will launch the SiriusXM-9 communication satellite on early December. A Falcon 9 will launch the next pair of O3b mPOWER satellites for SES on early December.

NextSpaceflight; updated November 8:
Launch 19 November 18:30 UTC, CCSFS SLC-40



Hypothetical immediate-future Florida Falcon 9 schedule, UTC:

Nov 11 01:22  Starlink 6-69               SLC-40                 ASOG

Nov 11 17:07  Koreasat 6A               LC-39A                  LZ-1

Nov 13 11:00  Starlink 6-68              SLC-40                  JRTI

Nov 16 18:04  Starlink 6-66              SLC-40                  ASOG

Nov 17 21:29  Optus X                      LC-39A                 ASDS?

Nov 19 18:30  GSAT-20                     SLC-40                 ASDS?

~Nov 22-23    Starlink 6/8/10-TBD  LC-39A/SLC-40  ASDS

~Nov 22 if SLC-40--turnaround is quicker.
~Nov 23 if LC-39A.
There may be launch constraints on the very busy air travel days surrounding Thanksgiving, which is Nov 28 this year.



Edit: This launch may also be delayed by one day, if it is also from SLC-40.
Quote from: SpaceX tweet
Due to unfavorable recovery weather conditions, now targeting Monday, November 11 for Falcon 9’s launch of 24 @Starlink satellites to orbit →
[Nov 11 UTC]
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Starlink 6-66 delayed to November 21.

Hypothetical immediate-future Florida Falcon 9 schedule, UTC:

Nov 14 10:33     Starlink 6-68              SLC-40    JRTI

Nov 17 21:29     Optus X                      LC-39A   ASOG

Nov 18 18:31     GSAT-20                     SLC-40   JRTI

Nov 21 ~16:00  Starlink 6-66              SLC-40   ASOG

~Nov 22-23       Starlink 6/8/10-TBD  LC-39A  JRTI

~Nov 24-25       Starlink 6/8/10-TBD  SLC-40  ASOG

Likely, two Starlink launches in quick succession, from both Florida launch pads.  And maybe, a Vandenberg Starlink launch as well!

There may be launch constraints on the very busy air travel days surrounding Thanksgiving, which is Nov 28 this year.
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E) AREA BOUNDED BY (4256S 00224W, 4045S 00221W, 3210S 05700E, 3515S
05700E): SPACEX STARLINK 12-1 STAGE 2 ROCKET RE-ENTRY OPS TAKING
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My bold:
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated November 18, after GSAT-20 launch:
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The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40 on November 21 at 10:53 a.m. - 2:53 p.m. EST. A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40 on November 24 at 4:59-8:59 a.m. EST. A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 39A on November 25 at 10:31 p.m. - 2:31 a.m. EST. Upcoming launches include more Starlink batches. A Falcon 9 will launch the SiriusXM-9 communication satellite on December 2. A Falcon 9 will launch the next pair of O3b mPOWER satellites for SES on mid-December.
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Map from the NOTAM combined with the NGA notice for Starlink 6-66. From these, the orbital inclination for both appears to be 43°, launching to the Southeast.

EDIT:
NGA Rocket Launching notice (expected launch window 09:59-13:59 UTC).

Map from the NGA notice.
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NGA Rocket Launching notice (expected launch window 09:59-13:59 UTC).

Quote from: NGA
200923Z NOV 24
NAVAREA IV 1453/24(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   240959Z TO 241430Z NOV, ALTERNATE
   250932Z TO 251403Z, 260906Z TO 261337Z,
   270840Z TO 271311Z, 280814Z TO 281245Z,
   290748Z TO 291219Z AND
   300721Z TO 301152Z NOV IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39.00N 080-37.69W, 28-39.00N 080-28.00W,
      28-30.00N 080-10.00W, 28-24.00N 080-09.00W,
      28-21.00N 080-11.00W, 28-23.00N 080-19.00W,
      28-29.35N 080-32.49W.
   B. 26-24.00N 076-29.00W, 26-29.00N 076-25.00W,
      26-29.00N 075-54.00W, 26-12.00N 075-07.00W,
      25-44.00N 074-19.00W, 25-24.00N 074-09.00W,
      25-10.00N 074-29.00W, 25-17.00N 074-58.00W,
      25-43.00N 075-40.00W, 26-01.00N 076-09.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 301252Z NOV 24.//

Multi-launch NGA Space Debris notices (the same notice for two different Navigational Areas).

Quote from: NGA
132028Z NOV 24
HYDROPAC 3525/24(57,61,71).
EASTERN SOUTH ATLANTIC.
INDIAN OCEAN.
DNC 01, DNC 02, DNC 03.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   18 NOV THRU 22 DEC IN AREA BOUND BY
   08-53.00S 092-28.00E, 07-46.00S 089-27.00E,
   30-12.00S 061-09.00E, 40-45.00S 002-21.00W,
   42-56.00S 002-24.00W, 32-16.00S 063-10.00E
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 230001Z DEC 24.
Quote from: NGA
132028Z NOV 24
HYDROLANT 2341/24(57,61,71).
EASTERN SOUTH ATLANTIC.
INDIAN OCEAN.
DNC 01, DNC 02, DNC 03.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   18 NOV THRU 22 DEC IN AREA BOUND BY
   08-53.00S 092-28.00E, 07-46.00S 089-27.00E,
   30-12.00S 061-09.00E, 40-45.00S 002-21.00W,
   42-56.00S 002-24.00W, 32-16.00S 063-10.00E
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 230001Z DEC 24.
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Postponed to November 25 per this cancel-and-replace NGA notice (expected launch window 09:32-13:32 UTC).

Quote from: NGA
201718Z NOV 24
NAVAREA IV 1455/24(11,26).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   250932Z TO 251403Z NOV, ALTERNATE
   260906Z TO 261337Z, 270840Z TO 271311Z,
   280814Z TO 281245Z, 290748Z TO 291219Z
   AND 300721Z TO 301152Z NOV
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-39.00N 080-37.69W, 28-39.00N 080-28.00W,
      28-30.00N 080-10.00W, 28-24.00N 080-09.00W,
      28-21.00N 080-11.00W, 28-23.00N 080-19.00W,
      28-29.35N 080-32.49W.
   B. 26-24.00N 076-29.00W, 26-29.00N 076-25.00W,
      26-29.00N 075-54.00W, 26-12.00N 075-07.00W,
      25-44.00N 074-19.00W, 25-24.00N 074-09.00W,
      25-10.00N 074-29.00W, 25-17.00N 074-58.00W,
      25-43.00N 075-40.00W, 26-01.00N 076-09.00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 1453/24
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 301252Z NOV 24.
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Which first stage will be used for this launch? (semi-rhetorical question)

Falcon 9 first stages are now cleared for use up to forty times for non-crewed launches, although that number is apparently more restricted for Cargo Dragon or Cygnus than these other payloads.

Re: SpaceX skipping over B1072.2 and B1086.2.  I wonder if they are being converted to single-stick Falcon 9’s after all.  It may be more efficient to leave them as-is for whatever/whenever the next Falcon Heavy launch is in 2025.

Available first stages, with UTC date of most recent recovery:
1072.2    Jun 25   (maybe)
1086.2    Jun 25   (maybe)
1069.20  Oct 26   Starlink 6-66
1078.15  Oct 30
1083.6    Nov 5     (maybe)
1085.4    Nov 7     (doubtful)
1067.24  Nov 11   (doubtful)
1080.13  Nov 11   (doubtful)

Edit November 24: It's B1080.13, processed for launch in only ~14 days!

Edited



Map from the NOTAM combined with the NGA notice for Starlink 6-66. From these, the orbital inclination for both appears to be 43°, launching to the southeast.

We'll see what the difference is between Group 6 and Group 12.  Perhaps some V2 Mini Direct-to-Cell satellites, similar to the Group 9 launches from Vandenberg?

Edited
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An extra satellite on the stack is a big deal! The goal of the Falcon and @Starlink teams is to get to 28 by end of year. [Feb 26]
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Preliminary information from CelesTrak, but it does NOT reflect the postponement to November 25. (The launch window of 09:59-13:59 UTC was the correct launch window for November 24.)

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/

Quote from: CelesTrak
Starlink G12-1 Pre-Launch
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G12-1 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.
Launch: 2024-11-24 09:59:00 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-24 11:04:26.380 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-24 09:59:00 UTC to 2024-11-24 13:59:00 UTC.
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Additionally.. SpaceX provided mass and area specifications for the F9-3  V3 mini about 6 weeks ago.

https://twitter.com/FREESPEECH1017/status/1859787562996404456
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As part of SATMOD2024101100224 application.

SpaceX provided some basic mass and area specifications of the New F9 V3 mini satellite.

Mass = 970kg Approximately +170kg than the V2 mini (making it nearly half the mass of the full size Starship variant).

Area 10m² larger than V2 mini, when deployed for a total area of 130m²

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Will this be a combo FSS/DtC satellite?
Will this be the DtC Voice and Data capable payload?
How many can be launched by the current F9/faring framework?

https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=30950032
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I thought that the mass of the v2 mini is about 729 kg, but it turns out to be 800, or is it DtC 800?

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I thought that the mass of the v2 mini is about 729 kg, but it turns out to be 800, or is it DtC 800?

DTC sats are something like 830 kg each, I think.

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Area 10m² larger than V2 mini, when deployed for a total area of 130m²

To put that in perspective, that's twice the size of a Block 1 BlueBird (64 m²) or 60% the size of a Block 2 (223 m²).

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Area = 294 m²
Mass = 2000 kg

A tennis court is 260 m²

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Preliminary information from CelesTrak, but it does NOT reflect the postponement to November 25. (The launch window of 09:59-13:59 UTC was the correct launch window for November 24.)

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/

Quote from: CelesTrak
Starlink G12-1 Pre-Launch
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G12-1 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.
Launch: 2024-11-24 09:59:00 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-24 11:04:26.380 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-24 09:59:00 UTC to 2024-11-24 13:59:00 UTC.

The preliminary information on CelesTrak has been updated to November 25.

https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/

Quote from: CelesTrak
Starlink G12-1 Pre-Launch
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G12-1 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.
Launch: 2024-11-25 09:32:00 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 10:37:28.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 09:32:00 UTC to 2024-11-25 13:32:00 UTC.
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SPACEX STARLINK 12-1, CAPE CANAVERAL SFS, FL
PRIMARY:   11/25/24   0932Z-1403Z
BACKUP:      11/26/24   0906Z-1337Z


Signet Warhorse III + JRTI departed PC on Nov 16 @ 3:19pm ET

Signet Warhorse III + JRTI + B1073 returned to PC on Nov 21 @ 7:03am ET

Signet Warhorse III + JRTI departed PC on Nov 22 @ 6:28pm ET


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Nine launch windows.  No mention yet of number of satellites, or their type.
https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/
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Current as of 2024 Nov 23 23:47:14 UTC (Day 328)

Starlink G12-1 Pre-Launch   
Derived from a pre-launch Starlink-G12-1 state vector, provided by SpaceX. SupGP data is provided for the entire stack, as well as one for a single satellite.
Launch: 2024-11-25 09:35:50 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 10:41:18.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 09:35:50 UTC to 2024-11-25 09:36:20 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #1   
Launch: 2024-11-25 10:02:20 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 11:07:48.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 10:02:20 UTC to 2024-11-25 10:09:20 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #2   
Launch: 2024-11-25 11:00:30 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 12:05:58.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 11:00:30 UTC to 2024-11-25 11:07:30 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #3   
Launch: 2024-11-25 11:07:30 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 12:12:58.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 11:07:30 UTC to 2024-11-25 11:12:10 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #4   
Launch: 2024-11-25 11:38:40 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 12:44:08.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 11:38:40 UTC to 2024-11-25 11:45:30 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #5   
Launch: 2024-11-25 12:37:40 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 13:43:08.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 12:37:40 UTC to 2024-11-25 12:39:40 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #6   
Launch: 2024-11-25 12:42:10 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 13:47:38.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 12:42:10 UTC to 2024-11-25 12:48:30 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #7   
Launch: 2024-11-25 12:48:30 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 13:53:58.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 12:48:30 UTC to 2024-11-25 12:50:30 UTC.
Backup Launch Opportunity #8   
Launch: 2024-11-25 13:14:00 UTC.
Deploy: 2024-11-25 14:19:28.540 UTC.
Launch window: 2024-11-25 13:14:00 UTC to 2024-11-25 13:21:10 UTC.
Estimated orbit: 321 km x 330 km x 43.0 degrees
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