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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #20 on: 09/02/2024 05:08 am »

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #21 on: 09/02/2024 06:51 am »
From the 16 pulse train recorded, it’s pretty close to 1.0 Hz and steady, “metronomic”.
Some clock pulse is getting into the audio.
It’s no big deal, except that it increases the likelihood that there are other cross-talk paths elsewhere that just don’t make themselves obvious.
Not the sort of thing that’s tolerable around thrusters and pyrotechnics.
Should not be hard for Boeing to understand what is generating a 1Hz pulse, and then understand the severity.

My concern with it is that it is not really a "ping", i.e. a very short impulse. It sounds like it has some "reverb" to it, meaning some sort of repetitive fading feedback to it. The Starliner is not that big and empty that would create such reverb, I would imagine. So it´s more than a clock pulse getting into the audio, unless that clock is already in a very poor state...

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #22 on: 09/02/2024 11:26 am »
IMO, every off-nominal quirk the ship has will be another millstone that Boeing will somehow need to move before CFT2 is even considered.

I have to say that, at first, I honestly thought that this was going to turn out to be a 'gotcha' being played on the controllers by the crew of CFT1 for being stuck up there for so long but that isn't really how NASA astronauts act, is it? It's the equivalent of crying 'wolf' in a wolf-infested forest.
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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #23 on: 09/02/2024 11:47 am »
 It reminds me of the special effects on "Lost in Space"or "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea". Maybe some Irwin Allen
"legacy" equipment. ???

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #24 on: 09/02/2024 01:48 pm »
Everyone is freaking out over this, but there are many logical explanations. Although Starliner is *most* likely haunted, it could also be aliens, space whales, sophon interference, forever lost cosmonauts banging on the hatch begging to be let in, or simply the Babadook.

https://x.com/Alex_Hoganson/status/1830246515652354547
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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #25 on: 09/02/2024 01:54 pm »
...I have to say that, at first, I honestly thought that this was going to turn out to be a 'gotcha' being played on the controllers by the crew of CFT1 for being stuck up there for so long but that isn't really how NASA astronauts act, is it? It's the equivalent of crying 'wolf' in a wolf-infested forest.

Google Apollo 13 Fred Haise repress valve and you might change your mind.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #26 on: 09/02/2024 02:26 pm »
NASA response:

“A pulsing sound from a speaker in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft heard by NASA astronaut Butch Wilmore aboard the International Space Station has stopped. The feedback from the speaker was the result of an audio configuration between the space station and Starliner. The space station audio system is complex, allowing multiple spacecraft and modules to be interconnected, and it is common to experience noise and feedback. The crew is asked to contact mission control when they hear sounds originating in the comm system. The speaker feedback Wilmore reported has no technical impact to the crew, Starliner, or station operations, including Starliner’s uncrewed undocking from the station no earlier than Friday, Sept. 6.”

Also hilarious how this went viral. Rob is now famous, cited everywhere through to Fox News and Chinese TV :D
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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #27 on: 09/02/2024 02:28 pm »
At least NSF got a boatload of publicity out of a fun clip!

Interesting that the CO2 issue didn't get nearly as much - and that's a legit health concern.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #28 on: 09/02/2024 02:33 pm »
Finally something weird/wrong about Starliner that turned out NOT to be a huge issue.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #29 on: 09/02/2024 03:10 pm »
Captain Ramius: Ensign! I said one ping only!

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #30 on: 09/02/2024 03:31 pm »

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #31 on: 09/02/2024 07:15 pm »
HAL's heartbeat was increasing.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #32 on: 09/02/2024 07:27 pm »
At least NSF got a boatload of publicity out of a fun clip!

Interesting that the CO2 issue didn't get nearly as much - and that's a legit health concern.
Thing is, nobody trusts that thing. So any tiny unexplainable event just scares people.

I remember crewing on a sailboat 15 years ago. During a two day passage, the head sail ripped, electronics stopped working, engine cooling system failed. Then we heard some pump noise from the inside, we thought it was the automatic water pump, and that we were sinking, and we panicked. Turned out to be the portable vacuum cleaner that turned itself on during a tack. But we didn't trust that crappy boat, so we assumed the worst.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #33 on: 09/02/2024 07:38 pm »
Oh I get that. But this never appeared to be a serious issue.

Having too much CO2 to the point where exercise had to be stopped?

That can be SERIOUS.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #34 on: 09/02/2024 07:42 pm »
I wonder how many of those real life mystery videos will appear on You Tube in relation to this.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #35 on: 09/02/2024 07:56 pm »
Everyone is freaking out over this, but there are many logical explanations. Although Starliner is *most* likely haunted, it could also be aliens, space whales, sophon interference, forever lost cosmonauts banging on the hatch begging to be let in, or simply the Babadook.
Yeah, but NASA will never admit it.  They will blame it on some hypothetical "audio system mis-configuration".

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #36 on: 09/02/2024 09:21 pm »
NASA response:

“A pulsing sound from a speaker in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft heard by NASA astronaut Butch Wilmore aboard the International Space Station has stopped. The feedback from the speaker was the result of an audio configuration between the space station and Starliner. The space station audio system is complex, allowing multiple spacecraft and modules to be interconnected, and it is common to experience noise and feedback. The crew is asked to contact mission control when they hear sounds originating in the comm system. The speaker feedback Wilmore reported has no technical impact to the crew, Starliner, or station operations, including Starliner’s uncrewed undocking from the station no earlier than Friday, Sept. 6.”


Ok but, this explain nothing!!

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #37 on: 09/02/2024 09:30 pm »
NASA response:

“A pulsing sound from a speaker in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft heard by NASA astronaut Butch Wilmore aboard the International Space Station has stopped. The feedback from the speaker was the result of an audio configuration between the space station and Starliner. The space station audio system is complex, allowing multiple spacecraft and modules to be interconnected, and it is common to experience noise and feedback. The crew is asked to contact mission control when they hear sounds originating in the comm system. The speaker feedback Wilmore reported has no technical impact to the crew, Starliner, or station operations, including Starliner’s uncrewed undocking from the station no earlier than Friday, Sept. 6.”

Also hilarious how this went viral. Rob is now famous, cited everywhere through to Fox News and Chinese TV :D

So this sound started when something was reconfigured?

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #38 on: 09/02/2024 10:24 pm »
Ok but, this explain nothing!!

Certainly seems to. Apparently an interaction between the ISS and Starliner configurations. As explained by NASA, this also appears to happen occassionaly with other vehicles. Don't think there is anything more to see here; move along.

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Re: Starliner Sonar giving the crew fits
« Reply #39 on: 09/03/2024 03:18 pm »
NBC News (I was worried because the tease before commercials referred to NASA being in a panic or something like that...)


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