https://youtube.com/watch?v=DY9H_eP6oEg
Does anyone know the landing zones in case of abort for Starliner? And abort modes (Similar to the ones the Crew Dragon has)
Boeing identified a need for a Starliner landing site to cover the scenario of an Atlas V rocket failure late in the launch sequence that prevents the Starliner from reaching a stable orbit that allows either docking with the ISS or targeting one of the other identified landing sites. The limited cross range capability of the Starliner, the trajectory of the ISS, the need for the service module section of the Starliner to target an ocean landing, and the need to return to the ground within 3 orbits of the launch drives this landing site to be in the vicinity of Los Angeles, California.This landing site would also be utilized for two additional scenarios that force an emergency return from orbit of the Starliner: • A Starliner or ISS failure that prevents docking. For this scenario Boeing would attempt to target one of the other landing sites if available and only target EAFB to prevent a water landing. In this scenario a landing will take place within the first four days of the mission. • An ISS, Starliner, or crew medical emergency that requires the need for the Starliner to land on short notice. Similar to the previous scenario, Boeing would attempt to target one of the other landing sites if available and only target EAFB to prevent a water landing.
The latest is to launch on the 21st due to a Helium leak on Starliner.
Maybe we should get a mod to rename this to "Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Concern Trolling Thread"
Trimmed back as this is a sensible thread (or is aimed to be) and LOLZ posts are not any value at all.
Moderator:Take the LOL posts to the (SpaceX) party thread. Or, post them elsewhere.
Quote from: zubenelgenubi on 05/20/2024 03:31 amModerator:Take the LOL posts to the (SpaceX) party thread. Or, post them elsewhere.Um... don't we need a Starliner party thread
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/10/sierra-space-ceo-talks-ipo-plans-satellite-launch-and-dream-chaser.html[In] the CNBC article on Dream Chaser, Vice said he’s “very confident” it will make its first flight in the fourth quarter of this year. He added the spaceplane passed the first phase of environmental testing in March and said since it will be carrying cargo to the ISS on this first demonstration, the company is dependent on NASA’s manifest and it’s working with the FAA to get a reentry license.
The FAA has stated that after Varda’s stranded reentry capsule, they will not issue launch licenses to reentering payloads before they get their reentry licenses.Sierra working on a reentry license for Dream Chaser suggests that NASA missions are not exempt from this requirement.The FAA’s Commercial Space Data page lists only two approved reentry licensees: Varda and SpaceX.Boeing is not on that list, either.CFT will carry some cargo to the ISS.Are they able to bypass this for Starliner?
Quote from: Comga on 05/20/2024 05:46 pmThe FAA has stated that after Varda’s stranded reentry capsule, they will not issue launch licenses to reentering payloads before they get their reentry licenses.Sierra working on a reentry license for Dream Chaser suggests that NASA missions are not exempt from this requirement.The FAA’s Commercial Space Data page lists only two approved reentry licensees: Varda and SpaceX.Boeing is not on that list, either.CFT will carry some cargo to the ISS.Are they able to bypass this for Starliner?As well as some cargo, CFT will carry a couple of "meatbags"I imagine that Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams are reasonably keen that Starliner will carry them back to earth as well as up to the ISS. Wouldn't that require Boeing or ULA to have a reentry license?
Quote from: Kiwi53 on 05/21/2024 02:14 amQuote from: Comga on 05/20/2024 05:46 pmThe FAA has stated that after Varda’s stranded reentry capsule, they will not issue launch licenses to reentering payloads before they get their reentry licenses.Sierra working on a reentry license for Dream Chaser suggests that NASA missions are not exempt from this requirement.The FAA’s Commercial Space Data page lists only two approved reentry licensees: Varda and SpaceX.Boeing is not on that list, either.CFT will carry some cargo to the ISS.Are they able to bypass this for Starliner?As well as some cargo, CFT will carry a couple of "meatbags"I imagine that Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams are reasonably keen that Starliner will carry them back to earth as well as up to the ISS. Wouldn't that require Boeing or ULA to have a reentry license?Either Boeing would need a Reentry License for Starliner, or Vulcan's Launch License would need to be amended to a Launch and Reentry License.
Quote from: edzieba on 05/21/2024 01:51 pmQuote from: Kiwi53 on 05/21/2024 02:14 amQuote from: Comga on 05/20/2024 05:46 pmThe FAA has stated that after Varda’s stranded reentry capsule, they will not issue launch licenses to reentering payloads before they get their reentry licenses.Sierra working on a reentry license for Dream Chaser suggests that NASA missions are not exempt from this requirement.The FAA’s Commercial Space Data page lists only two approved reentry licensees: Varda and SpaceX.Boeing is not on that list, either.CFT will carry some cargo to the ISS.Are they able to bypass this for Starliner?As well as some cargo, CFT will carry a couple of "meatbags"I imagine that Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams are reasonably keen that Starliner will carry them back to earth as well as up to the ISS. Wouldn't that require Boeing or ULA to have a reentry license?Either Boeing would need a Reentry License for Starliner, or Vulcan's Launch License would need to be amended to a Launch and Reentry License.Starliner launches on Atlas V, not Vulcan. In the Atlas/Starliner flight profile, Atlas's US (Centaur) does not quite reach orbit: this is deliberate. Starliner. boosts itself from this almost-orbital trajectory into orbit and eventually to the ISS orbit. This is done so Starliner will re-enter passively if its engines fail to start.I have no idea what regulations apply, but logically the Atlas V part of the flight plan must include the Centaur's return to Earth.
“Flight” shall mean the flight of an Atlas V 501 or 551 launch vehicle, commencing with ignitionof the first stage from Launch Complex 41 (SLC-41) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station(CCSFS), Florida, for the purposes of transporting payloads to Earth orbit. A flight ends uponULA’s last exercise of control over the vehicle, including when ULA commands the passivationof the upper stage, after vehicle components impact on Earth, after activities necessary toreturn vehicle components to a safe condition on the ground after impact, or after activitiesnecessary to return the site to a safe condition, whichever occurs latest.
