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Starting a thread for this now there’s some crew info:

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1572661190370672640

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According to NASA's internal schedule, Scott Tingle will now serve as commander of Starliner-1, the first operational mission to ISS. Mike Fincke will be pilot. A third crewmember is TBD. Could fly as early as August 2023 if demo mission goes well in early 2023.
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https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-updates-crew-assignments-for-first-starliner-crew-rotation-flight

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Sep 30, 2022
RELEASE 22-103

NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation Flight

NASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.

Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.

NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.

The agency’s Starliner crew rotation missions to the space station will carry four crew members at a time. Future crew assignments for Starliner-1 will be made following review and approval by the agency and its international partners.

Starliner-1 will launch following the successful completion of NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test (CFT), which aims to demonstrate Starliner’s ability to achieve NASA certification and safely fly regular crewed missions to space station.

Boeing is targeting launch of its first test flight with astronauts in early February 2023, pending space station program approval, rocket manifest, and confirmation by the Eastern Range. Starliner will launch aboard a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket from Space Launch Complex-41 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.

After a successful CFT mission, NASA will begin the final process of certifying the Starliner spacecraft and systems for future crewed missions to the space station as part of the agency’s Commercial Crew Program.

For more than 21 years, astronauts have continuously lived and worked aboard the space station, testing technologies, performing science, and developing the skills needed to explore farther from Earth. Regular commercial crew rotation missions enable NASA to continue the important research and technology investigations taking place aboard the station and prepare for future commercial destinations in low-Earth orbit. As part of Artemis, NASA will send astronauts to the Moon to prepare for future human exploration of Mars. Inspiring the next generation of explorers – the Artemis Generation – ensures America will continue to lead in space exploration and discovery.

Learn more about NASA’s Commercial Crew Program at:

http://www.nasa.gov/commercialcrew

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https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-updates-crew-assignments-for-first-starliner-crew-rotation-flight

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Sep 30, 2022
RELEASE 22-103

NASA Updates Crew Assignments for First Starliner Crew Rotation Flight

NASA has added two astronauts to the agency’s Boeing Starliner-1 launch to the International Space Station, the spacecraft’s first mission following completion of its flight tests and certification.

Astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke of NASA will serve as the CST-100 Starliner spacecraft commander and pilot, respectively, for the mission. Both astronauts have previously flown as crew members aboard the space station.

NASA astronaut Jeanette Epps remains assigned as a mission specialist on Starliner-1. Epps also continues cross-training on the Dragon spacecraft to protect for other flight opportunities.


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Why the continued ambiguity of Epps status?
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Why the continued ambiguity of Epps status?

Perhaps because of uncertainties surrounding a 2023Q3 Starliner PCM-1.
NASA seems intent on her flying in 2023, whether it's because of training she has done specific to Expedition 70 or simply to finally get her in orbit.

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Crew-6, CFT, Crew-7, Starliner-1:
Quote from: Chris G tweet
NASA confirms that Crew-6 is now scheduled for February 2023, and Crew-7 in the fall of 2023. Starliner‘s first crewed test flight moves to April for ISS traffic considerations, and looks like no full-up crew rotation flight for Starliner until 2024. [Nov 3]
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From today's status update press conference for CFT, the look-ahead statement that, pending CFT's results, the first operational Starliner crew rotation mission (Post-Certification Mission-1, or PCM-1) is expected in about a year's time, and an approximately yearly cadence will follow with later PCMs, although it might be slightly increased if warranted.


This mission, and up until PMC-6, will keep using an Atlas V (N22) like OFT-1/2 and CFT. LVs for later flights are in trade at the moment, still TBD between several options.


https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1626627903667437575
OFT-2's capsule (SC#2) will be the capsule flying this mission based on current planning, which would be the second Starliner reflight (after SC#3/Calypso's in CFT), or first reflight of a capsule that was crewed in both flights.
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In light of the CFT mission being delayed again, the best hope is that Starline-1 launches in December 2023 given that the Axiom missions scheduled for this year are intended to last less than 20 days.

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In light of the CFT mission being delayed again, the best hope is that Starline-1 launches in December 2023 given that the Axiom missions scheduled for this year are intended to last less than 20 days.
Starliner-1 is would be an operational CCP mission. Crew-6 launched on 2 March. The next CCP mission will launch not later than about September because Crew-6 cannot extend past about 200 days at the outside, but is more likely to end in August if the current average CCP mission length is maintained. This almost certainly means that the next CCP mission is Crew-7, not Starliner-1, and that in turn means Starliner-1 is NET about February 2024. However, IMO even that is more likely to be Crew-8, not Starliner-1.

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In light of the CFT mission being delayed again, the best hope is that Starline-1 launches in December 2023 given that the Axiom missions scheduled for this year are intended to last less than 20 days.
Starliner-1 is would be an operational CCP mission. Crew-6 launched on 2 March. The next CCP mission will launch not later than about September because Crew-6 cannot extend past about 200 days at the outside, but is more likely to end in August if the current average CCP mission length is maintained. This almost certainly means that the next CCP mission is Crew-7, not Starliner-1, and that in turn means Starliner-1 is NET about February 2024. However, IMO even that is more likely to be Crew-8, not Starliner-1.

I don't expect a formal NASA announcement of the which of the operational CCP missions to the ISS (Crew-8 or Starliner-1) will launch in the February-March 2024 timeframe to be made much before the launch of Crew-7.

For now, Starliner-1 appears to be penciled in to launch in that timeframe. On the other hand, it's likely that SpaceX is making any preparations it might need to launch Crew-8 if requested to do so.
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I don't expect a formal NASA announcement of the which of the operational CCP missions to the ISS (Crew-8 or Starliner-1) will launch in the February-March 2024 timeframe to be made much before the launch of Crew-7. ...
Surprise!

Latest Commercial Crew Program blog post:
  NASA Updates Commercial Crew Planning Manifest Through 2024 · Jason Costa · Posted on April 14, 2023

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Target Launch Manifest

NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test: NET July 21, 2023
NASA’s SpaceX Crew-7: NET mid-August 2023
NASA’s SpaceX Crew-8: NET February 2024
NASA’s Boeing Starliner-1: NET Summer 2024
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NASA’s Boeing Starliner-1

NASA and Boeing’s first crew rotation mission to the space station is planned for no earlier than summer 2024. NASA astronauts Scott Tingle and Mike Fincke, commander and pilot, respectively, will fly aboard the Starliner spacecraft, which previously flew on Boeing’s Orbital Flight Test-2 mission. Two mission specialists will be assigned in the coming months. Timing of the launch is subject to change based on several factors, including: a successful CFT, incorporation of anticipated learning from CFT, approvals of postflight data and final certification products, and completion of operational readiness and certification reviews. Starliner-1 will fly a new service module currently in production at the Boeing facility at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida. Production of the Atlas V rocket is complete. The hardware is in storage at the United Launch Alliance facility in Decatur, Alabama, awaiting shipment to the launch site for stacking and final integration with the spacecraft.

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Belated cross-post:
Quote from: Eric Berger @SciGuySpace tweet
NASA will announce its Crew-8 astronauts next week. Spoiler alert: Jeanette Epps finally gets to fly. (Yes!) Launching NET February 2024. This pushes the first operational Starliner crew mission to NET August 2024. [Apr 18]
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Given the news of June 1, could Starliner-1 be delayed beyond the NET August 2024 ISS Commercial Crew flight slot?

Is it NASA Commercial Crew best practice that there be approximately 6 months after Starliner CFT for engineering analysis and paperwork?

That is, could the NET August 2024 launch slot become Dragon Crew-9, and Starliner-1 launches NET early 2025?  So, decision point circa February 2024?



Also, I note that AV-089 has been skipped, and all AV- tail numbers through AV-102 are accounted for.  I deduce that AV-089 is holding for Starliner-1.
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Given the news of June 1, could Starliner-1 be delayed beyond the NET August 2024 ISS Commercial Crew flight slot?

Certainly possible. I’d say if Starliner CFT is ultimately pushed to 2024 then I think likely that Starliner-1 becomes 2025.

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Given the news of June 1, could Starliner-1 be delayed beyond the NET August 2024 ISS Commercial Crew flight slot?

The first official word we saw that SpaceX Crew-8 would get the 2024Q1 slot was on 14 April, 6 weeks after the Crew-6 launch:
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Latest Commercial Crew Program blog post:
  NASA Updates Commercial Crew Planning Manifest Through 2024 · Jason Costa · Posted on April 14, 2023

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Target Launch Manifest

NASA’s Boeing Crew Flight Test: NET July 21, 2023
NASA’s SpaceX Crew-7: NET mid-August 2023
NASA’s SpaceX Crew-8: NET February 2024
NASA’s Boeing Starliner-1: NET Summer 2024
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Following that pattern, we might not learn of the Crew-9 v. Starliner-1 assignment until fall.

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https://twitter.com/boeingspace/status/1727356706173358540

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Starliner-1 @Astro_Kutryk reporting for duty! ⭐️👨‍🚀

Our team is thrilled to share the assignment of @csa_asc astronaut Joshua Kutryk to #Starliner’s 1st post-certification flight.

Josh will join pilot @AstroIronMike & commander @Astro_Maker1 as a Starliner-1 mission specialist.

https://onfirstup.com/boeing/BNN/articles/meet-the-canadian-astronaut-assigned-to-starliner-1?bypass_deeplink=true
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Given the news of June 1, could Starliner-1 be delayed beyond the NET August 2024 ISS Commercial Crew flight slot?

Certainly possible. I’d say if Starliner CFT is ultimately pushed to 2024 then I think likely that Starliner-1 becomes 2025.
NASA announced on 12 October 2023 that the mission is NET early 2025:
    https://blogs.nasa.gov/commercialcrew/2023/10/12/nasa-updates-commercial-crew-planning-manifest/ [Oct 12]



Edit/add zubenelgenubi:
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10th Crew Rotation Mission

The 10th commercial crew rotation opportunity to the space station is targeted for early 2025. NASA is planning for either SpaceX’s Crew-10 or Boeing’s Starliner-1 mission in this slot. The Starliner-1 date was adjusted to allow for the post-flight review of the Crew Flight Test and incorporation of anticipated learning, approvals of final certification products, and completion of readiness and certification reviews ahead of that mission.



I think the thread title should be changed.
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Back in Houston, back in the saddle. (This is our sim @NASA_Johnson, and one of my favourite places).

https://twitter.com/Astro_Kutryk/status/1729885284031250621

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I noticed that this Canadian Space Agency press conference relating to the announcement that Joshua Kutryk will be part of the Starliner-1 crew hasn't yet been posted in this thread:



See also this link:
https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=8b0edaf9-84df-423b-8139-8c9cdef32a97
« Last Edit: 12/12/2023 01:05 am by yg1968 »

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This week, spacesuit training in a vacuum chamber. A good training day for me, for the suit, and for the team!

Down to vacuum we go!

https://twitter.com/Astro_Kutryk/status/1733233610247819695


 

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