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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #1 on: 04/18/2019 12:53 pm »
Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #2 on: 04/18/2019 01:22 pm »
Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #3 on: 04/18/2019 02:36 pm »
Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #4 on: 04/18/2019 03:23 pm »
Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

Which leaves me wondering what happens when a NSS launch slides (through payload or LV delays) into the window ULA needs to stack and launch a planetary mission...? Is NASA able to pull rank if they can't get another window for years?

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #5 on: 04/18/2019 04:15 pm »
Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

...Which does not appear to be that constrained for the rest of the year. Or am I wrong? The July - November window looks wiiiiide open, for example. (Two Atlas V launches for CST-100 already penciled into the schedule here)

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #6 on: 04/18/2019 05:13 pm »
Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

Which leaves me wondering what happens when a NSS launch slides (through payload or LV delays) into the window ULA needs to stack and launch a planetary mission...? Is NASA able to pull rank if they can't get another window for years?
Interplanetary gets priority over all else.  Plus, they usually know 3+ years out when than slot is required.  The rest are all worked out among OSL, LE, and NASA.  Even commercial missions, once they're on contract and have a slot, they can't be bumped.  If you can't meet your initial ILC, then yes, stuff can be worked out/negotiated, etc.  But if you (let's say OFT for example) keep slipping, you might just be out of luck if you then all of sudden want a specific launch period.   Contrary to popular (internet) belief, L-37 did not bump another launch provider out of their spot.  Same with L-71 and the range recently.   They had to find available range dates based on a SpaceX launch already scheduled.

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LE: Launch Enterprise 
https://www.losangeles.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Article/812286/launch-enterprise-directorate/
OSL: Office of Space Launch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office

Office of Space Launch (OSL):

Responsible for all aspects of a satellite launch including launch vehicle hardware, launch services integration, mission assurance, operations, transportation, and mission safety; and,

OSL is NRO's launch representative with industry, the USAF, and NASA.
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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #7 on: 04/18/2019 07:34 pm »
Pictures from ULA’s flickr account. Based on ULA’s update it would seem that LV availability is not currently driving launch dates.

LV availability was never in doubt. The issue Boeing cited for OFT was pad availability.

This.  LV availability was a misinterpretation of the statement by a small handful of people that somehow got morphed into a gospel-esque "truth".  Saying pad availability affects the launch date isn't casting aspersions on ULA, it's acknowledging that ULA has other customers with their own schedule needs, which might just override NASA's (hard as that may be for some people to believe).

Which leaves me wondering what happens when a NSS launch slides (through payload or LV delays) into the window ULA needs to stack and launch a planetary mission...? Is NASA able to pull rank if they can't get another window for years?
Interplanetary gets priority over all else.  Plus, they usually know 3+ years out when than slot is required.  The rest are all worked out among OSL, LE, and NASA.  Even commercial missions, once they're on contract and have a slot, they can't be bumped.  If you can't meet your initial ILC, then yes, stuff can be worked out/negotiated, etc.  But if you (let's say OFT for example) keep slipping, you might just be out of luck if you then all of sudden want a specific launch period.   Contrary to popular (internet) belief, L-37 did not bump another launch provider out of their spot.  Same with L-71 and the range recently.   They had to find available range dates based on a SpaceX launch already scheduled.

Can a following mission be bumped if the vehicle is already stacked but something delays the payload? Not bumped on the range, but on the pad. It's not like ULA will stand down one Atlas to stack and launch another off the same pad... right?

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #8 on: 05/23/2019 03:20 pm »
https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1131576180942016514

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The #AtlasV @Commercial_Crew first stage booster for the #Starliner is loading into the Mariner for the journey to Cape Canaveral, Florida. @BoeingSpace

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1131572098789519362

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The #AtlasV Dual Engine Centaur is beginning the load in process into the Mariner, a 312-foot long ship that will navigate waters heading to Cape Canaveral en route for the @BoeingSpace #Starliner Crew Flight Test. @Astro_Ferg @AstroDuke @AstroIronMike
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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #10 on: 06/01/2019 12:16 pm »
https://twitter.com/lake_sea_mtns/status/1134795530960326656

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After leaving Decatur AL on May 23 the @ulalaunch #DeltaMariner arrived in Port this morning just before 7am. It is carrying the Atlas V rocket that will help put a man back in space. @torybruno @ULANavy #nasa #space @nextspaceflight @SpaceXUpdates

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #11 on: 06/05/2019 03:14 pm »
twitter.com/mhaskellphoto/status/1136262245959241728

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The crewed @ulalaunch Atlas booster is about to be rolled off the Delta Mariner and head onto the Cape! @NASASpaceflight #ULA

https://twitter.com/mhaskellphoto/status/1136279874690256897

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Its an Atlas!

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https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1136279190033063936

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The first #AtlasV #Starliner booster that will fly a crew has emerged from the Mariner cargo ship at Cape Canaveral today to write a new chapter in human spaceflight history! @BoeingSpace @Commercial_Crew
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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #12 on: 06/13/2019 06:13 pm »
As we don’t have a general Atlas V N22 thread, posting on first crewed flight thread:



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Published on 13 Jun 2019
Go Atlas! Go Starliner! Watch the latest episode when we learn about the Emergency Detection System - unique technology developed for the Atlas V Starliner designed to protect the crew and monitor the health of the rocket.

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #13 on: 07/07/2019 01:15 pm »
Belated cross-post:
https://twitter.com/ChrisG_NSF/status/1141738478390194177

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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #15 on: 08/20/2019 07:17 pm »
Cross-post re: Starliner CFT:
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[C]rew flight test “when NASA’s ready.”

“We can say we’re ready but until NASA’s ready to fly we can’t.”
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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #16 on: 09/10/2019 04:38 am »
Belated cross-post re: CFT mission patch:
First look at the Starliner Orbital Flight Test, Pad Abort Test and Crew Flight Test insignia:

Boeing astronaut reveals mission patches for Starliner flight tests
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-081919a-boeing-starliner-crew-mission-patch.html
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Re: Atlas V N22 - Starliner CFT (Crewed) - NET Late 2021
« Reply #17 on: 10/01/2019 02:36 pm »
https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1178998081959931904

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Good mornin’ from LC-41. Bit windy out here.

https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1179006939214340096

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Welcome to @ulalaunch’s “white room” atop the crew tower at LC-41. Boeing’s Starliner will fit right behind Dane Drefke.

https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1179001694878932993

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Yowza. Beautiful view of @ulalaunch’s emergency egress system and overall infrastructure of LC-41’s crew tower. Next up: “white room” for astronauts.

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