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The first launch of the Ariane 6 with four boosters, the Ariane 64, is next to be launched after Galileo. Called mission VA267, it will orbit satellites of Amazon's Project Kuiper broadband constellation.

https://newsroom.arianespace.com/ariane-6s-fourth-flight-of-2025-will-service-europes-galileo-satellite-navigation-system?lang=eng
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While the 16 October Arianespace announcement did not offer any explanation for the delay, it did reveal that the inaugural flight of the Ariane 64 rocket would be its first launch of 2026. The mission will be the first of 18 contracted by Amazon to carry its Project Kuiper satellites to orbit.

https://europeanspaceflight.com/arianespace-pushes-first-ariane-64-flight-back-to-2026/
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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #1 on: 10/19/2025 04:57 pm »
Nice, Ariane need to launch a lot of Kuiper...
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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #2 on: 10/19/2025 06:37 pm »
Is this launch with P120C or P160C boosters? AFAIK P160C was qualified in April. Wouldn't it be more efficient to skip the Ariane 64 with P120C and directly move to the P160C version. Amazon Kuiper can add a couple of satellites and it barely costs more.
« Last Edit: 10/19/2025 08:20 pm by Rik ISS-fan »

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #3 on: 10/19/2025 07:09 pm »
Is this launch with P120C or P160C boosters? AFAIK P160C was qualified in April. Wouldn't it be more effocient to skip the Ariane 64 with P120C and directly move to the P160C version. Amazon Kuiper can add a couple of satellites and it barely costs more.

It is one of the 2 contracted A64 Block 1 Kuiper launches

Block 2 is more than Qualifying P160C, I believe the ULPM must be requalified at higher thrust level and with different vibration environment.

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #4 on: 10/19/2025 07:16 pm »
Is this launch with P120C or P160C boosters? AFAIK P160C was qualified in April. Wouldn't it be more effocient to skip the Ariane 64 with P120C and directly move to the P160C version. Amazon Kuiper can add a couple of satellites and it barely costs more.

Skyrocket.de says two Kuiper launches with P120C, then P160C:

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/ariane-6.htm
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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #5 on: 11/20/2025 05:27 pm »
https://twitter.com/Amazonleo/status/1991573015738347863

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We’ve completed initial processing and begun shipping satellites for our first mission with
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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #6 on: 11/25/2025 03:52 pm »
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The complete batch of satellites for our first @Arianespace mission have arrived in French Guiana. All satellites have cleared initial health checkouts, and teams will soon begin processing and integration ahead of launch on Ariane 64.

https://twitter.com/Amazonleo/status/1993352249075012001

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The countdown has officially begun. 🚀

The first @Amazonleo satellites have landed in French Guiana, arriving from Florida and ready to begin the launch campaign of our very first Ariane 64 mission — the heavy-lift configuration of Ariane 6, powered by four P120C boosters.
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This arrival kicks off a long-term partnership and a series of 18 dedicated launches that will help bring Amazon's satellite internet constellation to orbit.

The journey to Amazon Leo’s first Ariane 6 liftoff starts here.
More updates coming soon.

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https://twitter.com/Arianespace/status/1993356508545909175
« Last Edit: 11/25/2025 03:54 pm by GewoonLukas_ »
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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #7 on: 12/09/2025 02:50 pm »
The mission, named Leo Europe 1 (LE-01), will launch 32 satellites.
https://x.com/Amazonleo/status/1998411080595354039?t=nJjXkSphzQe5DPnav4JG0w&s=19

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #8 on: 12/09/2025 03:13 pm »
The mission, named Leo Europe 1 (LE-01), will launch 32 satellites.
https://x.com/Amazonleo/status/1998411080595354039?t=nJjXkSphzQe5DPnav4JG0w&s=19

Where did you see this number? The tweet didn't seem to include it.

At 571 kg per satellite, inclusive of the dispenser, this is a payload of 18,272 kg.


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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #9 on: 12/09/2025 03:23 pm »
The mission, named Leo Europe 1 (LE-01), will launch 32 satellites.
https://x.com/Amazonleo/status/1998411080595354039?t=nJjXkSphzQe5DPnav4JG0w&s=19

Where did you see this number? The tweet didn't seem to include it.

At 571 kg per satellite, inclusive of the dispenser, this is a payload of 18,272 kg.

See: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/amazon-leo/amazon-leo-arianespace-first-launch-canopee-ariane-6

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The first of 18 Arianespace launches will add 32 Amazon Leo satellites in 2026.
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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #10 on: 12/09/2025 03:42 pm »
The initial launch contract stipulated a launch capacity of 35 satellites per burst, with the upgraded version capable of launching 40. It appears the current capacity is lower than expected.

Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #11 on: 12/09/2025 03:43 pm »
The mission, named Leo Europe 1 (LE-01), will launch 32 satellites.
https://x.com/Amazonleo/status/1998411080595354039?t=nJjXkSphzQe5DPnav4JG0w&s=19

Where did you see this number? The tweet didn't seem to include it.

At 571 kg per satellite, inclusive of the dispenser, this is a payload of 18,272 kg.

See: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/amazon-leo/amazon-leo-arianespace-first-launch-canopee-ariane-6

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The first of 18 Arianespace launches will add 32 Amazon Leo satellites in 2026.
Amazon's use of both AE-01 and LE-01 in its report is confusing.

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #12 on: 12/09/2025 03:48 pm »
The initial launch contract stipulated a launch capacity of 35 satellites per burst, with the upgraded version capable of launching 40. It appears the current capacity is lower than expected.

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has been following the Ariane 6 program.
In fact even Block 2 fails to meet some of the performance figures of Block 1 stated in the User guide.
Compare:
https://europeanspaceflight.com/arianespace-envisions-post-2030-ariane-6-upgrades/
https://ariane.group/app/uploads/sites/4/2024/10/Mua-6_Issue-2_Revision-0_March-2021.pdf

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #13 on: 12/09/2025 03:56 pm »
Wouldn't the natural explanation be running at a conservative margin on the debut of a new configuration? Perhaps they try for the full 35 on a subsequent flight?

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #14 on: 12/09/2025 04:13 pm »
Wouldn't the natural explanation be running at a conservative margin on the debut of a new configuration? Perhaps they try for the full 35 on a subsequent flight?
I don't know the details of Amazon LEO, but It will likely have multiple different "shells", so a particular launch to a particular shell may require more delta-v and therefore fewer satellites. We see this sort of variation all the time with Starlink on F9.

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #15 on: 12/09/2025 04:20 pm »
Wouldn't the natural explanation be running at a conservative margin on the debut of a new configuration? Perhaps they try for the full 35 on a subsequent flight?
I don't know the details of Amazon LEO, but It will likely have multiple different "shells", so a particular launch to a particular shell may require more delta-v and therefore fewer satellites. We see this sort of variation all the time with Starlink on F9.

Are you referring to altitude or inclination? All deployments for now are in what Amazon calls a 590 km shell. There is a future 610 km and 630 km shell as well. To date inclination has been 51.9 for all launches, unclear if that will vary within a shell.

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #16 on: 12/09/2025 04:28 pm »
There's a reason Block 2 exists, thanksfully only 2 kuiper launches will be on Block 1.
« Last Edit: 12/09/2025 04:29 pm by TheKutKu »

Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #17 on: 12/09/2025 05:43 pm »
Another explanation is that Amazon's satellites are heavier than initially anticipated, leading to a decrease in the number of satellites launched. Furthermore, it remains unclear whether ULA's VC6 can achieve the expected 45-satellite launch in a single run. However, ULA has explicitly stated that they will use the Centaur 5, specifically optimized for LEO launches. I'm unsure whether Amazon had already planned to use the optimized Centaur 5 when signing the contract with ULA.

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #18 on: 12/09/2025 05:51 pm »
Another explanation is that Amazon's satellites are heavier than initially anticipated, leading to a decrease in the number of satellites launched. Furthermore, it remains unclear whether ULA's VC6 can achieve the expected 45-satellite launch in a single run. However, ULA has explicitly stated that they will use the Centaur 5, specifically optimized for LEO launches. I'm unsure whether Amazon had already planned to use the optimized Centaur 5 when signing the contract with ULA.

Do we know if that optimization really has anything to do with performance, as opposed to cost and manufacturability? Surely the dry mass difference can't be that large on an upper stage with an identical engine section and an already great mass fraction with the balloon tanks.

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Re: Ariane 64 VA267 : Amazon Leo LE-01 : early 2026
« Reply #19 on: 12/09/2025 05:56 pm »
Another explanation is that Amazon's satellites are heavier than initially anticipated, leading to a decrease in the number of satellites launched. Furthermore, it remains unclear whether ULA's VC6 can achieve the expected 45-satellite launch in a single run. However, ULA has explicitly stated that they will use the Centaur 5, specifically optimized for LEO launches. I'm unsure whether Amazon had already planned to use the optimized Centaur 5 when signing the contract with ULA.
https://aviationweek.com/space/commercial-space/atlas-v-launch-sets-stage-amazons-consumer-space-debut
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The rocket’s core stage—powered by a single 860,200-lb.-thrust RD-180 engine—could have carried 27 KuiperSats into low Earth orbit (LEO), which was the plan when Amazon bought nine Atlas V rides in 2021. The price of an Atlas V ride starts at $109 million, ULA’s website states. Amazon’s splurge on an Atlas V to fly a pair of small satellites came after technical issues delayed two previous bookings.
Kuipersat have not gotten significantly heavier over the past few years, Atlas were booked to launch 27 a flight and they ended up launching 27 a flight.
« Last Edit: 12/09/2025 05:58 pm by TheKutKu »

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