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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #60 on: 11/23/2023 09:37 pm »
So,  it appears one of Ukraines latest generation naval drones has washed ashore. They are widely believed to be Starlink powered.



Apparently, it's been updated from the single one, here is an old illustrated video.  The one you posted is a much improved and sleek design.

« Last Edit: 11/24/2023 01:22 am by catdlr »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #61 on: 11/24/2023 12:03 am »
The point is this is Ukraine's newest generation Magura V5 naval drone that washed ashore with what appears to be two antennas.  Much more evoled compared to the first generation naval drones in your video. Wonder what went wrong. 

People have in the past been a bit touchy up thread when you state Starlink as an absolute. Hence the prefacing.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #62 on: 12/31/2023 07:54 pm »
Oleg Kutkov reporting that Ukraine service centers repaired 10,000 dishes over the last year.  They have also developed specialized training, hardware, and software to take fullest advantage of the kit.  I can imagine that SpaceX and the Pentagon are watching closely to see what they can learn.

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Year of @Starlink in #Ukraine. Real stories from the community.
- More than 10000 terminals repaired (all services)
- Many modifications and adaptations have been developed (auto, power, GPS).
- Unique training materials and lectures.
- Unique auxiliary software was created.

https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1741534309813518597
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #63 on: 01/18/2024 05:07 pm »
VOA's Chinese service has a good tweet and accompanying article about China's officially-expressed fears regarding Starlink, both in its original form and direct-to-cell, and its efforts to field its own communications megaconstellation.  @jcm was interviewed for it.

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The U.S. satellite Internet system "Starlink" technology that covers the world continues to make breakthroughs, causing renewed anxiety in the Chinese military and academic circles. Chinese state-owned enterprises will launch thousands of low-orbit satellites starting this year to create a Chinese version of the satellite Internet "State Grid" to compete with it. However, experts believe that in terms of rocket launch technology, the gap between China and the US commercial satellite launch giant SpaceX is still widening.
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In 2022, a woman in Iran died after being detained by the "moral police", triggering large-scale protests across the country . Musk decided at that time to strengthen the coverage of "Starlink" in Iran to help people break through the Iranian authorities' Internet blockade and censorship and use online social media.

Experts say that these international events have made China realize the role of "Starlink" in free network communications and the urgency of building a "Made in China" satellite Internet.

Namrata Goswami, a scholar of space policy and geopolitics, told VOA: "China has concluded through observations last year that in the event of an escalation of the conflict in Taiwan, something similar to Starlink Once technology intervenes, the strategic support force of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, also known as China's space force, must deal with it very seriously."
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However, the newly launched Direct to Cell function of "Starlink" has also caused concerns among Chinese officials. On January 3 this year, SpaceX successfully launched 21 "Starlink" satellites, including 6 with direct connection to mobile phones; smartphone users on the ground (4G or above) can connect to the broadband network without purchasing additional equipment. SpaceX calls this type of "Starlink" satellite a "cell phone tower in space."

The "China National Defense News" article stated that after this business achieves large-scale application in the future, the "Starlink" system will be connected to a large number of communication devices to achieve seamless global communications. Whether this feature will be open to Chinese users is still unknown.

However, Rogier Creemers, assistant professor of Modern China Studies at Leiden University in the Netherlands and co-founder of the “DigiChina” project at Stanford University’s Cyber ​​Policy Center, told VOA: “(The Chinese government) Wants to block any network connections it doesn't control."

https://twitter.com/VOAChinese/status/1747810288479719643
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #64 on: 01/22/2024 11:50 pm »
https://www.army-technology.com/news/germany-demonstrates-passive-radar-system-using-starlink-satellite-radiation/

Looks like Fraunhofer Institute for High Frequency Physics and Radar Techniques built a bistatic (multistatic?) SABBIA 2.0 passive radar system demonstrator using reflected Starlink signals.

If you bathe the planet in a reasonable amount of emitted RF, you've essentially built a lot of the infrastructure for a global passive radar system for everybody (but this isn't a full planet surveillance system per se, just a localized radar system). If you had a distributed network of SDR's, you could potentially cobble together an air defense network (this is similar to previous research on using cellular network towers as components of a bistatic radar system). With the prevalence of SDR's at hobbyist prices, this potentially makes air defense radar capability available to any nation or organization on earth on the cheap.

SpaceX just built a global passive radar illuminator by accident, though is this a natural result/byproduct of any full global constellation with sufficiently high and consistent RF power?
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #65 on: 01/24/2024 01:40 am »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #66 on: 01/24/2024 05:10 pm »
A good, long article from Sandra Erwin at Space News mostly about the increasing use of Starlink by the DOD.  Worth a read in its entirety, but here are a couple of good quotes.

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Under the PLEO indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract, space companies will be able to bid on about $900 million worth of military task orders over the next five years. “Once we make a determination of a customer’s needs, we try to help connect them to capability as soon as possible,” said Hopper.
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Starlink service is now highly sought after by many parts of the DoD and U.S. armed forces. Of the $70 million task order awarded to SpaceX, “we’ve obligated approximately $25 million in funds sourced from about 50 different customers” across the DoD, Hopper added. “We’re seeing a diverse demand for that vehicle, and we’ve been modifying that particular task order seemingly every couple of weeks.”
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Hopper noted that the $70 million task order is not a complete reflection of DoD’s entire use of Starlink, as some organizations procure services under other contracts not managed by CSCO.
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She said the current contract ceiling of $900 million could be raised if needed. “We are working with DISA on perhaps adjusting that due to demand.”

https://spacenews.com/dods-satcom-evolution/

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #67 on: 02/06/2024 02:22 am »
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/05/europe/ukraine-drone-jet-skis-russian-warship-intl/index.html

A Ukrainian pilot outlines how drones powered by jet skis sunk a Russian warship

‘Jeweler’s work’
The impact of the drones is impressive but it’s delicate work, said the pilot.

“The main thing is to feel the drone,” he told CNN. “If you squeeze it a little, you can lose control of the drone. I would say it’s like jeweler’s work.

Controlled from afar via a Starlink connection, the drones can also be pre-programmed for the long journeys across the Black Sea.

A pilot is constantly monitoring the drone’s passage, he said, with the final run into the targets often controlled manually.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #68 on: 02/06/2024 03:05 am »
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/05/europe/ukraine-drone-jet-skis-russian-warship-intl/index.html

A Ukrainian pilot outlines how drones powered by jet skis sunk a Russian warship

‘Jeweler’s work’
The impact of the drones is impressive but it’s delicate work, said the pilot.

“The main thing is to feel the drone,” he told CNN. “If you squeeze it a little, you can lose control of the drone. I would say it’s like jeweler’s work.

Controlled from afar via a Starlink connection, the drones can also be pre-programmed for the long journeys across the Black Sea.

A pilot is constantly monitoring the drone’s passage, he said, with the final run into the targets often controlled manually.

« Last Edit: 02/06/2024 03:05 am by catdlr »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #69 on: 02/09/2024 03:50 am »
Starlink is now used by the Russians in Ukraine as well.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-starlink-ukraine-war-elon-musk-1868125

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #70 on: 02/10/2024 07:26 pm »
Yes, the Russians realized that they can use Starlink at the front as well.  This is of course all acceptable to Ukraine, given that SpaceX can play a bit of whackamole on terminals in Russian hands.  Lots of controversy and ill-informed emotional nonsense, to which SpaceX has responded.

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1755666250431443347
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #71 on: 02/11/2024 09:54 pm »
Added reports of frontline Starlink use by russian forces. Additional, there appears to be (new?) Starlink service degradation for ukrainian frontline users, which is a serious issue due to the ukrainian armed forces relying heavily on it.

It isn't obvious if the degradation affects all Starlink users in the area of the frontlines, or russia is somehow selectively jamming ukrainian specific or pinpoint area specific terminals.

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1756258867636269400

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #72 on: 02/12/2024 06:36 pm »
Musk further denies that SpaceX has sold, directly or indirectly, Starlink terminals to the Russian government.  At this point, I wonder whether this whole episode should be understand as a Ukrainian governmental response in its broader feud with Musk.  [deleted]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1756758674087825879
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A number of false news reports claim that SpaceX is selling Starlink terminals to Russia.

This is categorically false.

To the best of our knowledge, no Starlinks have been sold directly or indirectly to Russia.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #73 on: 02/12/2024 07:42 pm »
Oleg repairs Starlink terminals for the UA army:

https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1755703062734176694

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I need to comment on this.
🇷🇺 are importing Starlink terminals from 3rd countries with huge overprice (I mean 5k-6k USD per Dishy). They are paying for the service via front persons and EU cards. Nothing special.
Starlink is not working in 🇷🇺, only on 🇺🇦 land (including occupied).

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⚡️The 🇺🇦Ukrainian military reports that Starlink has begun to be delivered en masse to the 🇷🇺Russian military through Dubai, the accounts are activated and work in the occupied territories.
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #74 on: 02/13/2024 08:08 am »
https://twitter.com/starlinkinsider/status/1757270947243999596
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Starlink is currently being used in Sudan by a Paramilitary group amid a nationwide internet blackout.
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #75 on: 02/14/2024 12:40 pm »
Oleg repairs Starlink terminals for the UA army:

He commented further in replies to this tweet:

Quote from: Oleg Kutkov
Quote from: Buskatze
True, the antennas are not working in Russia. Why they are working in border areas has something to do with the cell structure, satellite location, and beam forming - technical background: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1578524400055648256.html

Yes. So, it's impossible to distinguish who is who in a given cell. All terminals are in the allowed areas, so Russians realized they could also use this tech on the front line.
We need to live with this.



Quote from: Oleg Kutkov
Quote from: Miss Marple
Maybe the accounts in third countries can be terminated; or Starlink turned off in third countries. The USA defence who has the franchise for Crimea should do this until these countries clean up their act.

We have a whole bunch 3rd countries accounts. Volunteers and resellers. Some of these accounts were transferred to UA, and some of them were not.



Quote from: Oleg Kutkov
Quote from: Musk Rat
Great, but then why doesn't SpaceX turn them off?  Why isn't there a list of authorized terminals for the area?

It's impossible to distinguish who is who in a given cell. There might be hundreds of Dishys. The front line is dynamic, so it would be very hard to keep track of each terminal, put your dishy in a list, and remove it in case of destruction - too much bureaucracy; Time is life.

« Last Edit: 02/14/2024 12:42 pm by thespacecow »

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #76 on: Today at 12:28 pm »
The past changes so fast you never can tell what happened yesterday. The never-sold "directly or indirectly to Russia" terminals are being destroyed:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1760952708003930378
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