Author Topic: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8  (Read 213053 times)

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Thread 8 for SpaceX's development of a Boca Chica launch site.

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That area by the beach could be where the tanks are going, but it might be a staging area for construction first.
Yep.

Here are some screen grabs from the video:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1541938906124567/permalink/2139542656364186/
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 Anybody who can get down there would be appreciated. I'm in Hammerfest for some reason and probably won't be back till mid November. Terry injured his foot, so feel free to mow my lawn while you're there.
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That area by the beach could be where the tanks are going, but it might be a staging area for construction first.
Yep.

Here are some screen grabs from the video:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1541938906124567/permalink/2139542656364186/

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https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-raptor-engine-flight-readiness-bfr-spaceship-testing/

What the article is reporting based on the announcement on Monday for BFR

itís more likely that SpaceX will need to build up a dedicated static fire and hop test facility near the coast of Texas, at a spot called Boca Chica.

Getting to hop tests
As it turns out, massive propellant storage tanks (vacuum insulated) have already begun arriving at SpaceXís Boca Chica facilities, currently dedicated to a duo of tracking and communications radars to be used for Crew Dragon communications. Over the course of the next 12 or so months, SpaceX is thus likely to expand and develop its Boca Chica facilities, culminating Ė if all goes well Ė sometime late next year with the first shipment of a prototype BFR spaceship from Port of Los Angeles, through the Panama Canal, to Port of Brownsville, Texas.

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A couple of stills from the video:

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A couple of stills from the video:

I think there doing site prep guess some of us where right that pad is a staging area, in the picture or video you can see a trial of dirt leading to the dirt pile. Iíll be going out there tomorrow afternoon but hereís the more clear site safety sign.

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A couple of stills from the video:

I think there doing site prep guess some of us where right that pad is a staging area, in the picture or video you can see a trial of dirt leading to the dirt pile. Iíll be going out there tomorrow afternoon but hereís the more clear site safety sign.

So don't be here, while simultaneously telling your kids (who are not here either) to be careful, and dressing them in hardhats, vests, and safety goggles, which you presumably got at toys-R-us.

Got it.
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A couple of stills from the video:

I think there doing site prep guess some of us where right that pad is a staging area, in the picture or video you can see a trial of dirt leading to the dirt pile. Iíll be going out there tomorrow afternoon but hereís the more clear site safety sign.

So don't be here, while simultaneously telling your kids (who are not here either) to be careful, and dressing them in hardhats, vests, and safety goggles, which you presumably got at toys-R-us.

Got it.

I think its just your standard construction warning sign.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #10 on: 09/24/2018 11:30 am »
A couple of stills from the video:

I think there doing site prep guess some of us where right that pad is a staging area, in the picture or video you can see a trial of dirt leading to the dirt pile. Iíll be going out there tomorrow afternoon but hereís the more clear site safety sign.

So don't be here, while simultaneously telling your kids (who are not here either) to be careful, and dressing them in hardhats, vests, and safety goggles, which you presumably got at toys-R-us.

Got it.

I think its just your standard construction warning sign.

It is. We have exact same ones in the UK.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #11 on: 09/24/2018 12:58 pm »
A couple of stills from the video:

I think there doing site prep guess some of us where right that pad is a staging area, in the picture or video you can see a trial of dirt leading to the dirt pile. Iíll be going out there tomorrow afternoon but hereís the more clear site safety sign.

So don't be here, while simultaneously telling your kids (who are not here either) to be careful, and dressing them in hardhats, vests, and safety goggles, which you presumably got at toys-R-us.

Got it.

I think its just your standard construction warning sign.
Didn't think it was made in house.  Vertical integration has its limits.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #12 on: 09/24/2018 02:17 pm »
Vertical integration has its limits.

Yeah, you got me to chuckle.  ::)

But then I thought, contrary to popular belief, vertical integration isn't really a goal for SpaceX.  They only do it out of necessity.  If an outside supplier meets their cost and schedule commitments with consistent quality, SpaceX isn't afraid to buy stuff from the outside.  Making stuff themselves isn't the defacto standard.

Max Vozoff, formerly of SpaceX put it this way:

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There's a YouTube video of Elon speaking somewhere in 2003 saying ...  "we're really just a systems integrator, we're buying things from other people", but by the time I showed up in 2005 that had completely turned around and pretty much everything was getting done in-house. 

And you can see why when you see the interactions with these suppliers, particularly the ones in the space industry.  They think they're the only ones who can make this widget or who have the secret sauce, and when you say "no, you're too expensive", they say "well, that's what it is". And they're used to customers who, if they slip the schedule and double the price, the customer shrugs and goes back to headquarters and says, "well, it's gonna take twice as long and it's gonna cost twice as much", and that's how things go in a traditional government run program.

But SpaceX would say "no, that's not acceptable", and they'd cancel the contract.  And sometimes these suppliers were literally scoffing on the phone as you hung up, and call you back a few months later saying "so, have you changed your mind yet?"  And being able to say to them that "no, if you can do it, then maybe somebody else can do it too", like either SpaceX figured out how to do it themselves, because they hired some smart people and gave them the resources and tools, or you find another supplier with maybe a non-space version and you upgrade and qualify it for space.

And now what you've done, this backward supplier has bred a competitor for themselves, where they're not used to competition.  I mean, many of the suppliers in this industry would just go out of business in a heartbeat if competition were actually introduced.

So really that's the game changing stuff that SpaceX has been doing: bringing stuff in-house, not just because it gives them control of cost and schedule, but because the space suppliers, traditional suppliers just don't get it.  They're not used to being held to schedules and budgets.

And that's not true of everybody, but there is list of anecdotes I could tell you about suppliers with this attitude.  And in each case either SpaceX brings it in-house and makes it successfully, or they find another supplier and upgrade it, and that supplier is usually thrilled to have a whole new market opened up for them.

http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com/2011/03/05/max-vozoff-friday-3-4-11/
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #14 on: 09/25/2018 11:04 pm »
Another update from facebook (link):

Quote from: Maria Pointer
I saw large cylinders being transported off the port of Brownsville yesterday. Parked alongside road. Going home that way and will see if they moved. I really think somethings arriving this week. To much going on.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #15 on: 10/04/2018 01:17 am »
Another video from facebook (link).

Quote from: Maria Pointer
Raking off the dirt pile today . Going home west bound.

Screen-shot from video below:
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #16 on: 10/04/2018 06:10 am »
 I always wondered if they'd start on the pad and causeways using the dirt they took off the top of the mound. Even the tank farm needs to be fairly high if they don't want it underwater every time there's a hurricane.
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #17 on: 10/04/2018 11:18 am »
Stabilized version of video:

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I always wondered if they'd start on the pad and causeways using the dirt they took off the top of the mound. Even the tank farm needs to be fairly high if they don't want it underwater every time there's a hurricane.

The usual process is to use the surcharge mound for the next phase of construction. If the mound was for the HIF/Hangar facilities and the next phase might be the launch pad [or any other large construction phase ], then the mound would be re-positioned to that location to begin the preconsolidation surcharging prior to that construction.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 8
« Reply #19 on: 10/05/2018 09:49 am »
Another facebook video from Maria Pointer

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