Author Topic: Avio to break away from Arianespace, work on reusable methalox launcher?  (Read 3175 times)

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Eeeerh sorry to say that but - La Tribune ain't reliable at all when talking about Space. Or Aerospace.
https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/lanceurs-spatiaux-vers-un-divorce-a-l-italienne-entre-avio-et-arianespace-981514.html

"Contacté par La Tribune, Avio a répondu qu'« il n'avait aucune information à ce sujet »."

"Contacted by La Tribune, Avio said they had zero information on the matter".

Admittedly, Avio could deny.

But I'd like to see the information outside La Tribune, really. And I can't find anything, elsewhere.

We shall see...

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Eeeerh sorry to say that but - La Tribune ain't reliable at all when talking about Space. Or Aerospace.
https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/lanceurs-spatiaux-vers-un-divorce-a-l-italienne-entre-avio-et-arianespace-981514.html

"Contacté par La Tribune, Avio a répondu qu'« il n'avait aucune information à ce sujet »."

"Contacted by La Tribune, Avio said they had zero information on the matter".

Admittedly, Avio could deny.

But I'd like to see the information outside La Tribune, really. And I can't find anything, elsewhere.

We shall see...
If Avio splits from Arianespace, what will happen with the Ariane 6 solid rocket boosters? Will the A6 SRBs still come from Avio?
I'd rather be here now

Offline JackieTchan

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If Avio splits from Arianespace, what will happen with the Ariane 6 solid rocket boosters? Will the A6 SRBs still come from Avio?

The article is not about this kind of split, the industrial cooperation, but about a commercial split.

Currently Arianespace find the client, the satellites, and sell them a launch (on VEGA, Ariane, previously Soyuz). Roughly, AVIO sell and talk to Arianespace, and Arianespace sell and talk to the clients. I think the idea for AVIO is to find its own clients and by-pass Arianespace as a commercial go-between.

Currently I'm not sure Avio is a "Space Launch Service Provider" itself : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_launch_service_providers

Offline Rik ISS-fan

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Arianespace markets the European launchers launched from CSG, France Guiana. ELV/Avio is the main contractor for Vega. ESA was, now Arianegroup is the main contractor for Ariane 5 and 6.
Both main contractors have >10 subsupliers, from all over Europe.

The P120C/P160C is a product from Europropulsion a joint venture from both Avio and ArianeGroup.
Avio builds the P120C tank casing.
Arianegroup builds the nozzle.
The gimbal actuators come from Belgium.
The ignitors are made by Nammo, Norway.
The casings are casted into fuel grains by Regulus in France Guiana. (Another Avio & Arianegroup joint venture).
All different components are assembled into a Vega C first stage or Ariane 6 joostr by Europropulsion.
So in any case Avio and Arianegroup rely on each other for the launchers they are responsible for.

I think it's a justified discussion how to market new small launchers from CSG.
But for Arianegroup and Avio their priority should be (re)ertification of the launchers. Now they can't launch anything into orbit.

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Avio got what they wanted and some more...
https://www.avio.com/press-release/esa-ministerial-council-important-decisions-regarding-ariane-6-vega-c-and-vega-E

Avio is being allowed to market and operate the Vega-C launchers by itself from mid-2024 is the current planning.
There was also news about Vega E; the successor to Vega-C where the Zefiro 9A and AVUM+ stages will be replaced by the VUS stage with M10 engine. Avio got permission to Launch it from ELA3; the Launch site for Ariane 5. I think this means the launch zone with one launch table, and BIF. Avio will need to modify the launch table to make it usable by Vega E. Besides they need to make Methane propallent facilities at ELA3.
« Last Edit: 11/08/2023 02:58 pm by Rik ISS-fan »

Offline woods170

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Eeeerh sorry to say that but - La Tribune ain't reliable at all when talking about Space. Or Aerospace.
https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/lanceurs-spatiaux-vers-un-divorce-a-l-italienne-entre-avio-et-arianespace-981514.html

"Contacté par La Tribune, Avio a répondu qu'« il n'avait aucune information à ce sujet »."

"Contacted by La Tribune, Avio said they had zero information on the matter".

Admittedly, Avio could deny.

But I'd like to see the information outside La Tribune, really. And I can't find anything, elsewhere.

We shall see...

You may consider La Tribune to be unreliable. But in this case they were spot on. It was confirmed by both ESA, Avio and Arianespace that Avio has indeed been allowed to divorce from Arianespace and by extension market Vega independently.

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