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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #980 on: 09/12/2019 03:51 am »
So the AF replaced Vector with something even more vaporware? Hah!

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #981 on: 09/14/2019 06:44 pm »
Would it be possible to modify the Vector R rocket for air launch from a Scaled Composites Whiteknighttwo aircraft, or am I beating a dead horse?

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #982 on: 09/14/2019 08:19 pm »
That would make the rocket even heavier than it already was, and it wasn't able to get to orbit even then.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #983 on: 09/14/2019 08:43 pm »
That would make the rocket even heavier than it already was, and it wasn't able to get to orbit even then.

But the aircraft carrying is before launch would hopefully make up for it?

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #984 on: 09/14/2019 10:32 pm »
That would make the rocket even heavier than it already was, and it wasn't able to get to orbit even then.
I was unaware that they were having weight problems....I guess that explains a lot.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #985 on: 12/14/2019 05:38 am »
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Vector files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
by Jeff Foust — December 13, 2019

WASHINGTON — Small launch vehicle company Vector filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Dec. 13 as part of an agreement that could see some of its satellite technology assets sold to Lockheed Martin.

https://spacenews.com/vector-files-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy/

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #986 on: 12/14/2019 04:29 pm »
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Vector files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
by Jeff Foust — December 13, 2019

WASHINGTON — Small launch vehicle company Vector filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Dec. 13 as part of an agreement that could see some of its satellite technology assets sold to Lockheed Martin.

https://spacenews.com/vector-files-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy/
Well, I'd imagine Lockheed's lawyers are pretty happy about that, given what the article says about software-defined satellites and legal dealings.
All aboard the HSF hype train!  Choo Choo!

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #987 on: 12/16/2019 03:58 pm »
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1206607141215391745

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Lockheed Martin plans to buy bankrupt Vector Launch's satellite unit Galactic Sky for $4.25 million, while giving it a $2.5 million loan to continue to operate.
reuters.com/article/us-vec…

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #988 on: 12/16/2019 05:16 pm »
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1206607141215391745

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Lockheed Martin plans to buy bankrupt Vector Launch's satellite unit Galactic Sky for $4.25 million, while giving it a $2.5 million loan to continue to operate.
reuters.com/article/us-vec…

That's got be the most m(afia) math I have ever seen. I'll give you 4.25 mil & give you 2.5 mil loan at 130% interest  Couple million isn't going make this company. They need a couple of billion and a business case. They must have frakked LM off when they sued over the Small Sat business. Well they own it now lol.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #989 on: 12/16/2019 07:48 pm »
Former Vector CEO on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1204053340876759040

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'Strategy doesn’t fail in formulation, in those splendid retreats, with three-ring binders and electronic files filled with good intentions and “vision.” It fails in implementation, in the trenches, when people don’t have the skills or the attitudes to perform' Alan Weiss

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #990 on: 12/16/2019 09:17 pm »
I can only hope he includes himself in that group of people that might not "have the skills or the attitudes to perform".  The entire operation was suspect from the start (see ringsiders post ), and Cantrell "writing checks with his PR that the company could not cash" (over and over) did not help. I'm sure good technical work was done, but I have the feeling in was happening in spite of Cantrell, not because of his presence.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #991 on: 12/16/2019 09:47 pm »
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'Strategy doesn’t fail in formulation, in those splendid retreats, with three-ring binders and electronic files filled with good intentions and “vision.” It fails in implementation, in the trenches, when people don’t have the skills or the attitudes to perform' Alan Weiss

 :o That seems like a very efficient way to burn bridges with an entire industry... I doubt that's fair on most of the staff who probably worked extremely hard and did some solid engineering.

Although I'll admit I can't tell if that quote is supposed to be ironic or not? But ff Cantrell truly believes that then I'll have to disagree with him and Alan Weiss and say that if the strategy formulation ignores the reality of the trench then it is doomed from the start.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #992 on: 12/16/2019 10:15 pm »
I can only hope he includes himself in that group of people that might not "have the skills or the attitudes to perform".  The entire operation was suspect from the start (see ringsiders post ), and Cantrell "writing checks with his PR that the company could not cash" (over and over) did not help. I'm sure good technical work was done, but I have the feeling in was happening in spite of Cantrell, not because of his presence.
"First orbital launch mid 2018 !"

"I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm asking you to watch me."

https://twitter.com/vectorlaunch/status/931608328131588096?s=19
« Last Edit: 12/16/2019 10:15 pm by ringsider »

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #993 on: 12/16/2019 11:45 pm »
 ;D
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #994 on: 12/17/2019 01:38 am »
I can only hope he includes himself in that group of people that might not "have the skills or the attitudes to perform".  The entire operation was suspect from the start (see ringsiders post ), and Cantrell "writing checks with his PR that the company could not cash" (over and over) did not help. I'm sure good technical work was done, but I have the feeling in was happening in spite of Cantrell, not because of his presence.
"First orbital launch mid 2018 !"

"I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm asking you to watch me."

https://twitter.com/vectorlaunch/status/931608328131588096?s=19

You might want to screencap that one, it looks like the sort of tweet that has a bad shelf life and might get deleted...
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #995 on: 12/17/2019 07:01 am »
I can only hope he includes himself in that group of people that might not "have the skills or the attitudes to perform".  The entire operation was suspect from the start (see ringsiders post ), and Cantrell "writing checks with his PR that the company could not cash" (over and over) did not help. I'm sure good technical work was done, but I have the feeling in was happening in spite of Cantrell, not because of his presence.
"First orbital launch mid 2018 !"

"I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm asking you to watch me."

https://twitter.com/vectorlaunch/status/931608328131588096?s=19

You might want to screencap that one, it looks like the sort of tweet that has a bad shelf life and might get deleted...

Done.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #996 on: 12/17/2019 07:55 am »
"First orbital launch mid 2018 !"

"I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm asking you to watch me."

https://twitter.com/vectorlaunch/status/931608328131588096?s=19

You might want to screencap that one, it looks like the sort of tweet that has a bad shelf life and might get deleted...

Done.

To be fair they're not the only ones...

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/964214407306928128

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NASA’s payload is scheduled to fly on Electron’s fifth flight between late 2016 and early 2017.
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/news/updates/rocket-lab-wins-6-95m-nasa-launch-contract/

About the only ones who haven't blasted through a dozen deadlines is Astra, and that's because they've never publicly set any!
(and Relativity who have until the end of next year before they miss this deadline: https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/04/relativity-space-announces-first-launch-contract-and-its-a-big-one)

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #997 on: 12/17/2019 08:27 pm »
In this biz everyone misses deadlines. ... But not everyone cockily says "watch us do this" and then misses the deadline anyway.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #998 on: 12/17/2019 08:49 pm »
I think the quote in my signature fits well here.... "There are lies, damned lies, and launch schedules."
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #999 on: 01/02/2020 10:26 pm »
https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2019/12/30/vector-launch-attorney-alleges-former-ceo.html?ana=e_phx_bn_editorschoice

It looks like Vector is currently in several lawsuits, one of which is led by Jim Cantrell (Case # C20194675).

All of these are underway at the Pima County Superior Court.  However, the materials, such as the complaints, response, and exhibits are not available online, but are available at the courthouse.

I'm not sure how these documents work, but they would be interesting to see, if anyone knows how to get access (anyone here in Tuscon?).

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