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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #920 on: 04/02/2019 08:31 pm »
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1112718972317765633

"Then there has been the mass of the vehicle itself. The rocket's engines and their novel use of a liquid oxygen and liquid propylene fuel have worked as intended, but the fuel tanks were too heavy."

Seems like they would have known the mass of the tanks when they bought the tanks from their subcontractor, like a year ago? If they did then that may mean they are finding out that the tanks are on spec but the engines are under-powered. That would explain this fundamental change very nicely:-

"Therefore, the company now plans to move directly from the suborbital test launch into a vehicle with larger tanks and more capable LP-1 engines."

Also this is awesome:-

"The company now has 170 workers, and Cantrell said Vector's demand for engineers has exceeded his original estimates. To date, Vector has raised just over $98 million, and it will need another "growth capital" round as it seeks to bring the Vector-R vehicle to the launch pad, and scale the company from development into operations. "

Peter Beck must be laughing himself to sleep.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #921 on: 04/02/2019 09:23 pm »
Lockheed Martin is trolling Vector  :D

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/vector.html

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Lockheed Martin Corp. expanded its business line April 1 with the introduction of Vector, a fragrance designed to capture the aroma of space.
https://spacenews.com/lockheed-martin-fragrance-april-1/
Hilarious.  Now Jimmy has someone else to sue. ;D

Wasn't there a lawsuit regarding Vector because there is another aerospace company also named Vector that has been operating for decades?

https://www.spacevector.com/CMS/customers

Looks they have actual flight hardware that went to space.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #922 on: 04/04/2019 03:39 am »

They probably have around ~40 Mln in the bank still, giving them almost 1 year of runway still.



I won't speculate on how much they've burned through to date, though your estimate seems plausible.  But at ~170 employees, I would guess that they can't get by on much less than $1M/week.  Probably, if they could spend more like 2x that amount, they'd have a clean shot to at least be close to their launch date, optimistic though it is.  Trying to maximize runway by minimizing costs will result in more vendor delays and more work for them- and an even more certain delay of their first launch.

It's unfortunate for Vector but it's exactly what I expected when they continuously failed to deliver "next month."  A pressure-fed launch vehicle has very slim margins so attempting to build it a record pace is the perfect recipe for something that looks good on the ground but can't make orbit. 
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #923 on: 04/04/2019 06:29 am »
Guys, I really don't care if he's getting his cashflow from pyramid selling Tupperware in the Florida retirement communities. More rockets please.

Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #924 on: 04/04/2019 08:12 am »
And also, crunchbase disagrees with you in that they list a convertible note event AFTER the Series A that could coincide with the ~20m in notes that show up in the Series B.

Hmm. So I agree that is interesting. But can you find any other reference to that event outside Crunchbase? I can't see it anywhere else, it says announced in March 2018, but I don't see any other reference to it anywhere.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #925 on: 04/12/2019 01:08 am »
https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1116506840492175360

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The Vector-R has landed.  Our 1001 arrived at the @vectorspacesys Arizona Test Site this evening marking a major company milestone.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #926 on: 04/26/2019 01:22 am »
Vector filed an FCC request for a sub-orbital (<4km altitude) flight from one of 8 launch sites (they'll pick one later) between May and October  ::)
0754-EX-ST-2019

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #927 on: 04/26/2019 06:38 am »
Vector filed an FCC request for a sub-orbital (<4km altitude) flight

At that altitude they don't need radio - they could shout at it to send commands.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #928 on: 04/26/2019 06:57 am »
Vector filed an FCC request for a sub-orbital (<4km altitude) flight from one of 8 launch sites (they'll pick one later) between May and October  ::)
0754-EX-ST-2019

This is probably for Vector-R B0.003.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #929 on: 04/26/2019 03:02 pm »
Back down on Earth (not that we got far off it at 4km), the complaint against Lockheed's satellites follows:-

https://litigationtools.maxval-ip.com/UnifiedPatentViewDocument/home/index?caseid=224029

If I read it correct on P7 they are basically saying that Lockheed is infringing becasue they a) send a program to the sat that changes what the sat does and b) the program is run in one of several VMs that are supervized by effectively a scheduler.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #930 on: 04/26/2019 03:43 pm »
And that’s supposed to be patent worthy? Is there no prior art? Did anybody already file a patent for using screws on a satellite?
Trivial patents are such a PITA these days...

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #931 on: 04/30/2019 09:44 am »
https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1123157701746278401

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Lots of progress the past few weeks @vectorspacesys with our 1001 vehicle shipping out to the Arizona Test Site where itís undergoing stage level testing.

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #932 on: 05/08/2019 01:55 pm »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1126120350037741569

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Robert Cleave, Vector: first launch this summer, with a critical test for that in the coming days. #SATShow

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #933 on: 05/11/2019 03:34 pm »
https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1127224611693707264

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Image from a tour last week of our stage level testing facility with the 1001 Vector-R first stage on the Vertical Test Stand @vectorspacesys.  A lot of firsts accomplished with cryo loading and de-tanking in preparation for full duration test firing.

https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1127225184853708800

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The Vector-R 1001 vehicle with a full load of liquid oxygen and partial load of cryogenic propylene.  Filled in less than an hour and de-tanked in about 90 minutes.  Flare stack is part of how we create cryogenic propylene and keep it chilled @vectorspacesys

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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #934 on: 05/18/2019 11:38 am »
Interview with Vectorís Robert Cleave, the chief revenue officer (previously at Lockheed)

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Pentagonís Ďon-demandí space launch challenge presents host of challenges
Small launch startup Vector discusses the inherent difficulties of sending a payload aloft on short notice.
By JACQUELINE KLIMAS 05/17/2019 06:45 AM EDT

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/17/pentagon-space-vector-interview-1329858

Interesting contrast between big/established companies and new ones:

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If you look at Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop, Raytheon Ö you test and test and test and test until youíre done. That costs a lot of money. Thatís why their stuff is so expensive. I found it ironic and disappointing when I was at Lockheed that people would applaud when SpaceX had a failure. If Lockheed had a failure, do you think people would applaud? No Ö Thereís no way they could have a failure. ULA can not have a failure whatsoever. With SpaceX, itís no problem. In fact, letís make a blooper reel out of it. If you really want to get into cutting edge, think about the Ď60s. Ö They took all kinds of risks and all kinds of failures happened and it was acceptable. So societyís image of whatís acceptable and whatís not, thereís really a different lens for both of those companies.
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #935 on: 05/18/2019 03:10 pm »
Interesting contrast between big/established companies and new ones:

I would not take that too serious, also in the light of Lockeed Martin's April prank

Here are some contrary statements:

https://twitter.com/OldGoatMan/status/1129384089612632065

https://twitter.com/VAXHeadroom/status/1129358928998010881

« Last Edit: 05/18/2019 05:45 pm by PM3 »
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #936 on: 06/02/2019 07:45 pm »
I believe mission 1002 is intended to be the first orbital one?

https://twitter.com/jamesncantrell/status/1135266431141130242

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Vector-R vehicle for mission 1002 being assembled vectorlaunch in @BuyTucson @ Tucson, Arizona instagram.com/p/ByOBQnmloZt/Ö
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #937 on: 07/28/2019 04:52 am »
Some new videos



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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #938 on: 07/28/2019 10:11 am »
Some new videos

Thanks for posting this. I have a stupid question.

What is up with the downward diagonal orientation of the plume on this video?  Camera artifact?
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Re: Vector Space Systems
« Reply #939 on: 07/28/2019 10:36 am »
What is up with the downward diagonal orientation of the plume on this video?  Camera artifact?

Yes. Unfortunately, many modern cameras use a rolling shutter, which causes severe picture distortion when the image changes faster than the capture rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter
« Last Edit: 07/28/2019 10:38 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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