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Discussion Thread for launch of Jupiter 3/EchoStar 24

Launch 29 July 2023 03:04:00 UTC (28 July 11:04 EDT), on Falcon Heavy, to geostationary transfer orbit.  Side Boosters 1064-3 and 1065-3 will return to launch site (RTLS), at LZ-1 and LZ-2, respectively.  Core booster 1074-1 will be expended at sea downrange.  No Static Fire before launch.



Jupiter 3/EchoStar XXIV
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : Q1 2023
« Reply #1 on: 05/20/2022 01:41 am »
Pictured here is Jupiter 2.  The skyjack back there gives a good sense of scale.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : H1 2023
« Reply #2 on: 08/07/2022 09:55 am »
https://www.hughes.com/resources/press-releases/echostar-announces-financial-results-three-and-six-months-ended-june-30-2 [Aug 4]

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The Jupiter 3/EchoStar XXIV satellite continues to progress at Maxar and is expected to be launched during the first half of 2023

Is this now a delay or no delay from Q1/2023 to H1/2023 according to Hughes arithmetic?
Compared to the previous report.
« Last Edit: 06/23/2023 10:13 am by zubenelgenubi »

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : Q1 2023
« Reply #3 on: 08/07/2022 12:56 pm »
Hughes is just reporting what is in Echostar quarterly financial statements

https://ir.echostar.com/news-releases/news-release-details/echostar-announces-financial-results-three-and-six-months-4 [Aug 4]
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The Jupiter 3/EchoStar XXIV satellite continues to progress at Maxar and is expected to be launched during the first half of 2023

Previously
https://ir.echostar.com/news-releases/news-release-details/echostar-announces-financial-results-three-months-ended-march-2 [May 5]
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The Jupiter 3 / EchoStar XXIV satellite is expected to be launched in the first quarter of 2023.

I would say quarterly financial statements are authoritative documents and therefore this is a delay.
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : H1 2023
« Reply #4 on: 10/03/2022 09:43 pm »
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/6944

Now listing B1076 and B1073 as side boosters. Center core unknown.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : H2 2023
« Reply #5 on: 10/06/2022 08:04 am »
SFN, After a three-year wait, SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy could launch again later this month, October 5
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The other Falcon Heavy missions slated for launch in the next 12 months include the heavyweight Jupiter 3 commercial broadband satellite for EchoStar and Hughes Network Systems later in 2023. [Later than USSF-52, launching in Q2 2023, mentioned in the previous paragraph?]
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : H2 2023
« Reply #6 on: 10/17/2022 07:23 pm »
SAT-MOD-20221017-00137

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Based upon the foregoing, Hughes respectfully requests Commission grant of a one-year
milestone extension, until March 20, 2024, to launch and operate EchoStar XXIV, thus allowing
prompt deployment of new and additional services to U.S. consumers and abroad.

Hughes cites a few reasons that led to the delay. oh well ...
A launch period is not specified. However, they write:

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Hughes has sought to reduce delay by procuring a launch vehicle that removes the need for electrical orbit raising, thus eliminating months of further delay.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : H2 2023
« Reply #7 on: 11/04/2022 05:02 pm »
Officially, Echostar still expected the launch in the first half of 2023.
https://ir.echostar.com/news-releases/news-release-details/echostar-announces-financial-results-three-and-nine-months-4 [Nov 2]
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The JUPITER 3/EchoStar XXIV satellite continues to progress at Maxar and is expected to be launched during the first half of 2023.
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : 2023
« Reply #8 on: 11/24/2022 02:42 am »
Maxar to compensate Echostar for Jupiter 3 delays [Nov 23]

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Echostar said Nov. 22 that Maxar Technologies is providing compensation for production issues that have delayed the launch of its Jupiter 3 satellite to at least the first half of 2023.

The satellite operator said Maxar is “providing relief on future payments” under an amended contract, which also “expands EchoStar’s recourse” if there are more delays for a satellite originally slated to launch in 2021.
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : 2023
« Reply #9 on: 01/05/2023 09:54 pm »
NextSpaceflight (Updated January 5th)
Launch NET May 2023
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/6944
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #10 on: 01/08/2023 04:21 pm »
SFN Launch preps underway for first of up to five Falcon Heavy missions this year, January 7:
Article confirms NET launch month:
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Later in the year, SpaceX plans to launch the Jupiter 3 satellite to provide internet services for EchoStar’s Hughes Network Systems. That launch is expected no earlier than May.
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #11 on: 02/24/2023 12:13 pm »
Still targeted for Q2/May

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The company said its much-delayed Jupiter 3 satellite since November has held on to its planned launch date of between April and June, and that it would be in service just a few weeks after separation from its SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket.

In service a few weeks after separation sounds like a direct/close to GEO insertion, could this be another fully expendable Falcon Heavy given the mass of 9.200kg?

https://www.spaceintelreport.com/echostar-limits-damage-from-spacex-starlink-says-s-band-iot-messaging-is-just-the-start-wideband-is-the-goal/
[Feb. 24]
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #12 on: 02/24/2023 02:20 pm »
In service a few weeks after separation sounds like a direct/close to GEO insertion, could this be another fully expendable Falcon Heavy given the mass of 9.200kg?

I think that a few weeks is more than enough for orbit raising for a satellite with a chemical propulsion (as opposed to an electric propulsion, in which case it takes months). For example, for Intelsat Galaxy 31 (launched in November 2022) it took around 9 days to reach the GEO.

I think that Jupiter 3 / EchoStar 24 does feature a chemical propulsion for orbit raising, but I have not been able to confirm it with 100% certainty.
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #13 on: 02/24/2023 03:00 pm »
Still targeted for Q2/May

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The company said its much-delayed Jupiter 3 satellite since November has held on to its planned launch date of between April and June, and that it would be in service just a few weeks after separation from its SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket.

In service a few weeks after separation sounds like a direct/close to GEO insertion, could this be another fully expendable Falcon Heavy given the mass of 9.200kg?

https://www.spaceintelreport.com/echostar-limits-damage-from-spacex-starlink-says-s-band-iot-messaging-is-just-the-start-wideband-is-the-goal/
[Feb. 24]
9,200 kg direct to GEO would require a fully expended FH. But they could also be using a lesser FH, and planning to make up the deficit themselves.  We need more information to understand their strategy. 

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #14 on: 02/24/2023 03:13 pm »
If it really has over 3 tons of propellant then it's set up to do its own orbit raising with a chemical thruster.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #15 on: 02/27/2023 12:04 pm »
https://s22.q4cdn.com/683266634/files/doc_financials/2022/q4/MaxarTechnologiesInc_20230222_10-K-(FY-2022).pdf
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JUPITER 3 satellite update
On November 9, 2022, we notified EchoStar Corporation (“EchoStar”), that the expected shipment of the JUPITER 3
satellite (“JUPITER 3”) had been delayed one month. Prior to the November 9, 2022 notification of the schedule
change, the prior schedule communicated to EchoStar was an expected shipment date of March 26, 2023. JUPITER 3
was originally scheduled for shipment to EchoStar on January 19, 2021, under the terms of a $445 million contract
between Maxar Space LLC and EchoStar, dated April 19, 2017 and amended October 1, 2018 (the “Contract”).
JUPITER 3 is an Ultra High-Density Satellite expected to be the world’s largest commercial communications satellite
when it launches, which contains significant technical innovations.
As a result of the additional delay of approximately one month, EchoStar stated its intent to immediately terminate
the Contract for default and claim a return of all monies paid to Maxar. To avoid this outcome, the two companies
entered into an amendment to the Contract on November 16, 2022. Under the terms of the amendment, we have
agreed to a $65 million reduction in the contract value which consists of (i) the forgiveness of all remaining milestone
amounts owed by EchoStar to us related to JUPITER 3 of $14 million, (ii) the forgiveness of all orbital incentive
payments of $43 million, which were payable by EchoStar with 6% interest over 15 years following launch and inorbit service of JUPITER 3 and (iii) further reductions of $8 million. The orbital incentive payments were conditioned
on the in-orbit performance of the satellite.
In addition, we have agreed to enter into a commercial agreement whereby we will purchase certain goods and/or
services from EchoStar in 2023 with the scope of such goods and/or services to be determined, but with a minimum
value of $30 million. As we have not yet identified the scope of goods and/or services to be purchased under this
agreement, we have reduced the contract value by $30 million. If at a later date the goods and/or services are
identified the reduction to the contract value will be adjusted.
We have also agreed to the payment of contingent additional liquidated damages if the delivery of JUPITER 3
extends beyond June 2023. The contingent additional liquidated damages are $8 million per month beginning in July
2023 and grow to $10 million per month beginning in October 2023 and thereafter. In return, EchoStar has agreed to
eliminate its right to terminate the Contract for default for late delivery until January 1, 2024. We expect to deliver
JUPITER 3 without incurring significant liquidated damages under the November 16, 2022, Contract amendment.
We recognized a cumulative adjustment to revenue of $92 million and an increase in products costs of $3 million for
the year ended December 31, 2022 related to the JUPITER 3 amendment and commercial agreement with EchoStar.
This resulted primarily from reducing the EAC transaction price for the amount of the remaining milestone and
expected orbital payments from EchoStar due to the delay of the expected shipment of JUPITER 3. Additionally, as
we have not yet identified the scope of goods and/or services to be purchased under the aforementioned commercial
agreement, the total $95 million cumulative adjustment includes a $29 million adjustment to revenue and a $1 million
adjustment to product costs related to these goods and/or services.
[Signatures dated Feb 22]
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #16 on: 02/28/2023 08:51 pm »
Will the Falcon Heavy expended core be B1080?
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #17 on: 03/03/2023 06:37 pm »
1073.8 (instead of 1073.7) as a side booster for the Jupiter 3 launch?

Perhaps 1076.4 will launch once more before conversion to a Falcon Heavy side?

https://twitter.com/alexphysics13/status/1631735815154925585

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Two Falcon Heavy side boosters in F9 clothing as seen on Space Coast Live cams at KSC and Port Canaveral.

B1073, lower left cam, heading to SLC-40 for the OneWeb-17 launch next week.

B1076, lower right cam, being processed at Port after Starlink 6-1.

nsf.live/spacecoast
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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #18 on: 03/06/2023 08:18 pm »
Now that Maxar is now planning to ship Jupiter 3 to EchoStar NET April 26, is it possible for this to still launch in May?
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JUPITER 3 satellite update
On November 9, 2022, we notified EchoStar Corporation (“EchoStar”), that the expected shipment of the JUPITER 3
satellite (“JUPITER 3”) had been delayed one month. Prior to the November 9, 2022 notification of the schedule
change, the prior schedule communicated to EchoStar was an expected shipment date of March 26, 2023.

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Re: SpaceX FH : Jupiter 3 : KSC LC-39A : NET May 2023
« Reply #19 on: 03/10/2023 06:23 am »
« Last Edit: 03/14/2023 09:38 am by GewoonLukas_ »
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