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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #300 on: 02/05/2018 11:25 pm »
I was only half-serious; but I have noted that online lately, it's becoming probably the most overused word on the internet.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #301 on: 02/05/2018 11:38 pm »
I was only half-serious; but I have noted that online lately, it's becoming probably the most overused word on the internet.
Yeah, "I hate that"...
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #302 on: 02/08/2018 07:55 pm »
My wife and I like it. Recommend watching After Trek. You get insight from the people running the show on why it
took the initial direction it did.
That's interesting - I think before the Mirror universe - I was following it with a wait-and-see approach, but from how it resolved itself there, and especially about how its now progressing.. I've moved to positively liking it.

And so, I've been wondering, as they've had a chance to reject some of its previous darkness, and now they seem to be moving in a more traditional Trek-like atmosphere. So...

1) was that the plan all along, or
2) have they taken criticism onboard and changed their intended path?

In either case, I'm happy they did so, but I just wonder which one it was.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #303 on: 02/09/2018 08:58 am »

2) have they taken criticism onboard and changed their intended path?

My understanding is that the internal criticism at CBS of the first few episode was so intense that the production team hired 'canon editors' to ensure that the scripts had a 'Trek' feel; these editors had absolute power to reject or impose plot and character moments. These editors became involved in pre-production from episode 7 onwards.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #304 on: 02/09/2018 12:48 pm »

1) was that the plan all along


Yes.  They wanted the audience to say "This isn't how the Federation works.  Something is wrong."   In that, they succeeded.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #305 on: 02/09/2018 03:09 pm »
And so, I've been wondering, as they've had a chance to reject some of its previous darkness, and now they seem to be moving in a more traditional Trek-like atmosphere. So...

1) was that the plan all along, or

There were reports on various Star Trek fan sites that the original plan was to go into the Mirror Universe in episode 3 or 4, but that internal debate resulted in giving more time to establish the characters first, so it was pushed out to Episode 9. This might have been fallout from Fuller's departure and the CBS 'canon police' intervention discussed by others.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #306 on: 02/11/2018 08:05 pm »
Reminder: Season Finale tonight...
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #307 on: 02/12/2018 01:05 am »
Oh that last scene... Don't forget to watch the credits with the sound turned up! ;)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #308 on: 02/12/2018 09:51 pm »

2) have they taken criticism onboard and changed their intended path?

My understanding is that the internal criticism at CBS of the first few episode was so intense that the production team hired 'canon editors' to ensure that the scripts had a 'Trek' feel; these editors had absolute power to reject or impose plot and character moments. These editors became involved in pre-production from episode 7 onwards.
I hadn't heard that before - do you know where this information comes from?

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« Reply #309 on: 02/12/2018 11:18 pm »

2) have they taken criticism onboard and changed their intended path?

My understanding is that the internal criticism at CBS of the first few episode was so intense that the production team hired 'canon editors' to ensure that the scripts had a 'Trek' feel; these editors had absolute power to reject or impose plot and character moments. These editors became involved in pre-production from episode 7 onwards.
I hadn't heard that before - do you know where this information comes from?

By all reports the show was written in one block with Fuller already gone by the time the serious writing was happening. The main reason Fuller seems to have left is he wanted to make an anthology show and CBS didn’t want such a show, and there was only going to be one winner in that fight.

Anyway here’s an interview with Alex Kurtzman talking about season two.

http://ew.com/tv/2018/02/11/star-trek-discovery-finale-season-2-interview/
« Last Edit: 02/12/2018 11:20 pm by Star One »

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #310 on: 02/13/2018 01:24 pm »
I have to admit that I was not a big fan of the show when it started.  But, it did grow on me, and I found myself looking forward to watching it each week.  The characters really did come alive for me and I finally did fell myself caring about what happened to them. 

Now, give me model kits of those two ships seen at the end of the last episode, and I will be very happy!

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #311 on: 02/13/2018 01:46 pm »
During After Trek they mentioned the models in the background are for sale.

 I believe this is the link.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/02/anovos-unveils-four-figure-star-trek-discovery-ship-models/

A bit pricey though.

"While both ships are build to order, you’ll need to find all the Federation credits you can gt your hands on to add these starships to your fleet: the Shenzhou model is listed at an $8,000 cost, and the Discovery starship has a $9,000 price tag."
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #312 on: 02/13/2018 03:07 pm »
Ahem.  Nailed it.

It's interesting sci-fi, but it's not star trek. Shame the concepts in this would have been better explored outside the trek franchise and both are diminished because of this. Gona watch it though because it's fun.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #313 on: 02/18/2018 08:15 pm »
Why can’t Star Trek: Discovery commit to serialized storytelling?
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17005524/star-trek-discovery-season-finale-look-back
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #314 on: 02/18/2018 08:40 pm »
Why can’t Star Trek: Discovery commit to serialized storytelling?
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17005524/star-trek-discovery-season-finale-look-back

Because it’s not that kind of show.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #315 on: 02/18/2018 11:00 pm »
Why can’t Star Trek: Discovery commit to serialized storytelling?
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17005524/star-trek-discovery-season-finale-look-back

That's a very odd accusation to make, since the majority of season 1 *WAS* serialized. (only one episode - the Mudd "groundhog day" was really standalone) And season 2 may be as well.

After having seen the entire season, I have to say that I liked ST Discovery a lot more than I expected. My biggest problems are IMO with the final episode - how quickly the Klingon war is wrapped up (or is it?), and that final "cliffhanger". They really needed one or two more episodes to tie up things better.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #316 on: 02/18/2018 11:37 pm »
Why can’t Star Trek: Discovery commit to serialized storytelling?
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17005524/star-trek-discovery-season-finale-look-back

Because it’s not that kind of show.
It's not my question, but the title of the article I linked...
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« Reply #317 on: 02/19/2018 07:27 am »
Why can’t Star Trek: Discovery commit to serialized storytelling?
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17005524/star-trek-discovery-season-finale-look-back

Because it’s not that kind of show.
It's not my question, but the title of the article I linked...

I know I was answering the headline.

Like you I didn’t recognise the description of the show’s construction from it.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #318 on: 02/19/2018 07:56 am »
CBS Chief Tells Investors ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Is “Runaway Success” + More Viacom Merger Buzz

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Speaking specifically about All Access, Moonves talked about how the growth was driven by Star Trek, saying:

2017 was a breakout year for CBS All Access. We doubled our subs year over year and we kicked off our best month ever in January. We are driving this growth first and foremost with our content. This includes our big events like the NFL and the Grammys, more than 10,000 episodes of current and library programming, and our original series programming, lead by Star Trek: Discovery, which was obviously a runaway success.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/02/15/cbs-chief-tells-investors-star-trek-discovery-is-runaway-success-more-viacom-merger-buzz/

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #319 on: 02/21/2018 05:37 am »
CBS Chief Tells Investors ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Is “Runaway Success” + More Viacom Merger Buzz

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Speaking specifically about All Access, Moonves talked about how the growth was driven by Star Trek, saying:

2017 was a breakout year for CBS All Access. We doubled our subs year over year and we kicked off our best month ever in January. We are driving this growth first and foremost with our content. This includes our big events like the NFL and the Grammys, more than 10,000 episodes of current and library programming, and our original series programming, lead by Star Trek: Discovery, which was obviously a runaway success.

https://trekmovie.com/2018/02/15/cbs-chief-tells-investors-star-trek-discovery-is-runaway-success-more-viacom-merger-buzz/

Now if they could only us that money to build a better Apple TV app that doesn't lose track of where you stopped last and jumble the episode order.

I'll be back for Season 2, but then I might subscribe to it as part of Amazon Prime Video (you can add CBS as an add-on, just like HBO) instead, their app is much better.

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