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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1800 on: 02/14/2026 06:22 pm »
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I will just say we are leaning forward with transparency, sharing the blemishes and the successes, because for a program as costly and important to national security as Artemis, the public is entitled to the facts.

- The confidence test related to the seals we repaired and replaced after WDR-1 provided a great deal of data, and we observed materially lower leak rates compared to prior observations during WDR-1. I would not say something broke that caused the premature end to the test, as much as we observed enough and reached a point where waiting out additional troubleshooting was unnecessary.

- The test was performed Thursday afternoon the 12th. Crew-12 launched early the morning of the 13th. The Artemis II test data review took place the afternoon of the 13th, and we released the blog update that evening.  I believe we acted in a timely manner, considering we did not want to create needless confusion alongside a crewed launch to the space station.

- Considering the issues observed during the lead-up to Artemis I, and the long duration between missions, we should not be surprised there are challenges entering the Artemis II campaign. That does not excuse the situation, but we understand it. I am impressed with the NASA team and our contractors working diligently through the campaign. They are professionals, and they know the dream they are trying to enable. I will say near-conclusively for Artemis III, we will cryoproof the vehicle before it gets to the pad, and the propellant loading interfaces we are troubleshooting will be redesigned.

- As I have stated many times, the President ensured Artemis would endure through dozens of missions, enabling repeatable and affordable operations in the lunar environment as we construct and operate a Moon base. The architecture will continue to evolve as we learn and as industry capabilities mature. Simply said, where we begin is not where we will end.

There is still a great deal of work ahead to prepare for this historic mission. We will not launch unless we are ready and the safety of our astronauts will remain the highest priority. We will keep everyone informed as NASA prepares to return to the Moon.

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1801 on: 02/14/2026 09:17 pm »
Following Confidence Test, NASA Continues Artemis II Data Review

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As part of robustly testing the vehicle prior to flight, NASA engineers are reviewing data after a confidence test Feb. 12, in which operators partially filled the SLS (Space Launch System) core stage liquid hydrogen tank to assess newly replaced seals in an area used to fill the rocket with propellant.

During the test, teams encountered an issue with ground support equipment that reduced the flow of liquid hydrogen into the rocket. Teams were able to gain confidence in several key objectives of the test, and data was obtained at the core stage interfaces, taken at the same time in the test where they encountered a leak during the previous wet dress rehearsal. Engineers will purge the line over the weekend to ensure proper environmental conditions and inspect the ground support equipment before replacing a filter suspected to be the cause of the reduced flow.

Engineers will examine findings before setting a timeline for the next test, a second wet dress rehearsal this month. March remains the earliest potential launch window for Artemis II.
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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1802 on: 02/21/2026 04:19 pm »
Quote from: Jared Isaacman
We will return in the years ahead, we will build a Moon base, and undertake what should be continuous missions to and from the lunar environment. Where we begin with this architecture and flight rate is not where it will end.

https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2025249086908125630

Quote from: Jared Isaacman
Please expect a more extensive briefing later this week as we outline the path forward, not just for Artemis II, but for subsequent missions, to ensure NASA meets the President’s vision to return to the Moon and, this time, to stay.

https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2025249086908125630

Is Jared about to announce the commercial crew to the lunar surface program? I certainly hope so. He has mentioned the possibility of using HLS providers for the full Artemis missions several times already.
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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1803 on: 02/21/2026 06:19 pm »
Can anyone (obviously not NASA) shed any light or give enhanced detail on the helium problem?
Surely there must be some information on what the problem is specifically and why they can't fix it at the pad.
It's all well and good to say "we won't launch until we're ready" or "better to fix it now than in space".
These are truisms that leave all of us enthusiasts in the dark.
C'mon NASA. There is transparency and then there is transparency.

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1804 on: 02/21/2026 06:43 pm »
why they can't fix it at the pad.

no access

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1805 on: 02/21/2026 06:50 pm »
why they can't fix it at the pad.

no access
Correct me if I am wrong here, but access to the ICPS equipment would be through the LVSA. The only accessible locations of SLS at the pad are the very bottom of the Core Stage Engine Section and Boat tail.
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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1806 on: 02/21/2026 07:06 pm »
why they can't fix it at the pad.

no access
Please elaborate.
Exactly where on the vehicle is access required?
A diagram would be helpful.

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1807 on: 02/21/2026 07:53 pm »
why they can't fix it at the pad.

no access
Please elaborate.
Exactly where on the vehicle it access required?
A diagram would be helpful.

See here, with the helium COPVs in red. This is encapsulated in the LVSA (launch vehicle stage adapter).

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1808 on: 02/21/2026 08:24 pm »
why they can't fix it at the pad.

no access
Please elaborate.
Exactly where on the vehicle it access required?
A diagram would be helpful.

See here, with the helium COPVs in red. This is encapsulated in the LVSA (launch vehicle stage adapter).
Thanks for that.
Why can NASA not provide that sort of information to the public?
So they will have to deconstruct the LVSA to fix the problem?
I could continue but I would probably say too much.
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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1809 on: 02/21/2026 08:49 pm »
See here, with the helium COPVs in red.

It's probably useful to point out that the intertank shown in the picture is sitting upside-down to how it's mounted on the DCSS/ICPS.

Looks like there's a separate LVSA umbilical, in addition to the separate LH2 and LOX QDs.  I have no clue how that umbilical routes helium to the COPVs on the intertank.  Is there some kind of QD between the LVSA's inner wall and the intertank, or is the helium coming through the LOX QD?

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1810 on: 02/21/2026 08:56 pm »
See here, with the helium COPVs in red.

It's probably useful to point out that the intertank shown in the picture is sitting upside-down to how it's mounted on the DCSS/ICPS.

Looks like there's a separate LVSA umbilical, in addition to the separate LH2 and LOX QDs.  I have no clue how that umbilical routes helium to the COPVs on the intertank.  Is there some kind of QD between the LVSA's inner wall and the intertank, or is the helium coming through the LOX QD?
The circled hose is a simple purge gas hose. For normal processing, it supplies conditioned air, for launch and tanking activities it supplies gaseous nitrogen to create an inert atmosphere inside the LVSA volume.
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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1811 on: 02/21/2026 09:35 pm »
The circled hose is a simple purge gas hose. For normal processing, it supplies conditioned air, for launch and tanking activities it supplies gaseous nitrogen to create an inert atmosphere inside the LVSA volume.

Thanks, that makes sense. 

So the high-pressure He fill line is part of the (lower) LOX QD?  Why didn't they run the purge gas system along the lower QD as well?  It would have to change for the EUS interstage, but everything needs to change for the EUS, doesn't it?
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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1812 on: 02/22/2026 12:41 am »
This is a design flaw with the ML.
Why make the ML so complex and expensive when it can even service such a minor  basic hose? Really hoping for ML2 they fix this issue so they dont need to roll back for these miniscule repair jobs. What a waste of time. Just watch the seals fail when they roll back to the pad for the 2nd time

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1813 on: 02/22/2026 04:54 am »
Why didn't they run the purge gas system along the lower QD as well?

The answer might be that they'd have to keep the valving and plumbing for the purge line on the ICPS, and that's parasitic weight.

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1814 on: 02/22/2026 10:20 pm »
Why can't they use a cherry picker like SpaceX does to access the helium bottles or attach a platform to the MLP to acess that level?

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1815 on: 02/22/2026 11:40 pm »
Why can't they use a cherry picker like SpaceX does to access the helium bottles or attach a platform to the MLP to acess that level?



The easy answer is that the highest man-lift at SpaceX can only reach the top of the booster, whereas the ICPS is much higher. You've never seen any man-lifts go higher while the Starship was mounted on top of the booster. 

But if you've seen images and video of the ICPS being installed, it's inside the vehicle stage adapter (VSA) that surrounds it. And to get inside, you have to set up scaffolding around it.  It's 264 feet off the ground.  And if they can't resolve it by that means, then destacking above it to remove the VSA might be needed, but hopefully, if all goes well, that will not be the case.

In addition to the fixes to the ICPS, the FTS needs to be reset, and that can only be done in the VAB.

Philip, go into detail on what is done and how it is done.



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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1816 on: 02/23/2026 12:29 am »
This is a design flaw with the ML.
Why make the ML so complex and expensive when it can even service such a minor  basic hose? Really hoping for ML2 they fix this issue so they dont need to roll back for these miniscule repair jobs. What a waste of time. Just watch the seals fail when they roll back to the pad for the 2nd time
Yes, I was thinking that, too. They already intimated that vibration from the rollout was responsible for the seal failures. I hope they're ready with replacements when they get it back to the pad.

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1817 on: 02/23/2026 12:43 am »
Servicing any aspect of the ICPS helium system requires a roll back to the VAB because there is no established process for doing it at the pad. That doesn't mean it would be utterly impossible to do it at the pad.

It's almost pointless to speculate whether they could, for example, open a hole in the floor of the crew access arm and rappel down the side of the vehicle to the work area. It's pointless not only because it would be high risk, but because it would take NASA months just to establish a process for attempting it.

As frustrating as the delays may be, we can take solace from realizing that, given enough time, this vehicle will eventually get to T-0 by following the existing processes. Doing it "by the book" is essential to assure crew safety and mission success. Hasty improvisation is a recipe for disaster.

There's also solace, admittedly bittersweet, from realizing that after Artemis II flies they'll have many months before the Artemis III launch campaign, with its final use of an ICPS. Those months will be time enough to figure out if there are process modifications they can make to reduce the likelihood of the problem recurring on that mission..
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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1818 on: 02/23/2026 01:58 am »
There's also solace, admittedly bittersweet, from realizing that after Artemis II flies they'll have many months before the Artemis III launch campaign, with its final use of an ICPS. Those months will be time enough to figure out if there are process modifications they can make to reduce the likelihood of the problem recurring on that mission..

On that note - while obviously the spacesuits and the HLS need to be ready too, what's the minimum time gap from Artemis II to Artemis III on the SLS + Orion side? Are Artemis II delays pushing back Artemis III month for month, or is the Artemis III timeline basically separate?

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Re: NASA's Artemis Program Updates and Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #1819 on: 02/23/2026 02:19 am »
This is a design flaw with the ML.
Why make the ML so complex and expensive when it can even service such a minor  basic hose? Really hoping for ML2 they fix this issue so they dont need to roll back for these miniscule repair jobs. What a waste of time. Just watch the seals fail when they roll back to the pad for the 2nd time

It has nothing to do with the ML.

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