Quote from: Jim on 07/01/2015 08:33 pmQuote from: nadreck on 07/01/2015 04:09 pmOk we can rail against technical illiteracy and innumeracy media, the government, the public, but it is within our power to do something about it too. As was done with the crowd sourced video repair, we could, as a group use NSF to co-ordinate a campaign to provide mainstream media with a more accurate picture of what is going on. This would have to be done without rancour or derision. Or favoritism. There are many organizations and companies involved in spaceflight. Just like pop music tends to over shadows other good and relevant musicians, there is no need to focus on current "pop" company exclusively.**I have a had a distain for pop radio/music, going back to my teens. AOR was my choice. I bought LP and cassettes and not 45's and 8 tracks. I got my first CD player in 83. My current choice is ripping concert DVD/Blurays.I couldn't agree more Jim, and I specifically want to point out that attitudes like this:http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37902.msg1398452#msg1398452are not what is needed in this effortHowever just because one is a fan doesn't mean that you are going to riot against the other team (soccer, rugby, hockey) or have armed and violent clashes with groups who have different tastes in music and vehicles (mods and rockers). I do think the group of people who would want to participate in an activity to correct and clarify misreporting of SpaceX in the media would be far larger than the one volunteering for ULA. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do either.
Quote from: nadreck on 07/01/2015 04:09 pmOk we can rail against technical illiteracy and innumeracy media, the government, the public, but it is within our power to do something about it too. As was done with the crowd sourced video repair, we could, as a group use NSF to co-ordinate a campaign to provide mainstream media with a more accurate picture of what is going on. This would have to be done without rancour or derision. Or favoritism. There are many organizations and companies involved in spaceflight. Just like pop music tends to over shadows other good and relevant musicians, there is no need to focus on current "pop" company exclusively.**I have a had a distain for pop radio/music, going back to my teens. AOR was my choice. I bought LP and cassettes and not 45's and 8 tracks. I got my first CD player in 83. My current choice is ripping concert DVD/Blurays.
Ok we can rail against technical illiteracy and innumeracy media, the government, the public, but it is within our power to do something about it too. As was done with the crowd sourced video repair, we could, as a group use NSF to co-ordinate a campaign to provide mainstream media with a more accurate picture of what is going on. This would have to be done without rancour or derision.
Joe average doesn't even know SpaceX exists
The party threads don't help either. They are much like threads on pop star forums, where girls profess their love for boyband member.
Quote from: M_Puckett on 07/01/2015 10:39 pmJoe average doesn't even know SpaceX exists quite the opposite. Spacex Q score is higher that ULA or OSC's. It's "Spacex, oh aren't they the one trying to land a rocket somewhere?" Where as ULA and OSC are overshadowed by NASA and the USAF for launches.
It's that they are not doing anything interesting. They have been around for a long time doing exactly what they are doing now.
Quote from: Jim on 07/01/2015 10:44 pmQuote from: M_Puckett on 07/01/2015 10:39 pmJoe average doesn't even know SpaceX exists quite the opposite. Spacex Q score is higher that ULA or OSC's. It's "Spacex, oh aren't they the one trying to land a rocket somewhere?" Where as ULA and OSC are overshadowed by NASA and the USAF for launches.It is not that ULA and OSC are overshadowed. It's that they are not doing anything interesting. They have been around for a long time doing exactly what they are doing now.
It is not that ULA and OSC are overshadowed. It's that they are not doing anything interesting. They have been around for a long time doing exactly what they are doing now.
Quote from: Jim on 07/01/2015 10:38 pmThe party threads don't help either. They are much like threads on pop star forums, where girls profess their love for boyband member.I disagree there, the party threads here (and on other sites) are about the fan base and by the fan base. I was speaking about the main stream media and that in correcting it, dealing with it, those of us who are enthusiasts for this whole area, need to take that sentiment out and simply try to bring people to a neutral truth rather than an enthusiastic support of something.
I think you and I have a different idea of who constitutes Joe Average.
Quote from: nadreck on 07/01/2015 10:54 pmQuote from: Jim on 07/01/2015 10:38 pmThe party threads don't help either. They are much like threads on pop star forums, where girls profess their love for boyband member.I disagree there, the party threads here (and on other sites) are about the fan base and by the fan base. I was speaking about the main stream media and that in correcting it, dealing with it, those of us who are enthusiasts for this whole area, need to take that sentiment out and simply try to bring people to a neutral truth rather than an enthusiastic support of something.
Here is one very poor example and NHK used the same on their world news segment on Sundayhttp://www.techworm.net/2015/06/spacex-explodes-after-take-off.html