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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #80 on: 04/28/2015 07:32 pm »
With Turkmensat done, pad abort in may, CRS-7 in june and JSON in July, its looking like a slow next 3 months.
Is there any info about this launch actually taking place in Q2 2015 ?
Yes, one launch / testing activity per month for LC40 is slow for SpaceX in my book.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #81 on: 04/28/2015 07:57 pm »
With Turkmensat done, pad abort in may, CRS-7 in june and JSON in July, its looking like a slow next 3 months.
Is there any info about this launch actually taking place in Q2 2015 ?
Yes, one launch / testing activity per month for LC40 is slow for SpaceX in my book.

This flight will almost certainly be in Q3, they still have to build and qualify the new version of the rocket.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #82 on: 04/28/2015 07:59 pm »
Er... what new version?  Do you mean the engine upgrade?


With Turkmensat done, pad abort in may, CRS-7 in june and JSON in July, its looking like a slow next 3 months.
Is there any info about this launch actually taking place in Q2 2015 ?
Yes, one launch / testing activity per month for LC40 is slow for SpaceX in my book.

This flight will almost certainly be in Q3, they still have to build and qualify the new version of the rocket.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #83 on: 04/28/2015 08:06 pm »
Er... what new version?  Do you mean the engine upgrade?


With Turkmensat done, pad abort in may, CRS-7 in june and JSON in July, its looking like a slow next 3 months.
Is there any info about this launch actually taking place in Q2 2015 ?
Yes, one launch / testing activity per month for LC40 is slow for SpaceX in my book.

This flight will almost certainly be in Q3, they still have to build and qualify the new version of the rocket.

Not just the engine thrust upgrade. The sub-cooled propellant (densification) is part of it, which probably causes some tweaks. This flight could also fly the stretched upper stage, but that is not known yet.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #84 on: 04/28/2015 08:07 pm »
True. Forgot about the other "bits".


Er... what new version?  Do you mean the engine upgrade?


With Turkmensat done, pad abort in may, CRS-7 in june and JSON in July, its looking like a slow next 3 months.
Is there any info about this launch actually taking place in Q2 2015 ?
Yes, one launch / testing activity per month for LC40 is slow for SpaceX in my book.

This flight will almost certainly be in Q3, they still have to build and qualify the new version of the rocket.

Not just the engine thrust upgrade. The sub-cooled propellant (densification) is part of it, which probably causes some tweaks. This flight could also fly the stretched upper stage, but that is not known yet.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #85 on: 04/29/2015 06:05 am »
This SES press release is saying 2Q/3Q for SES 9.

http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/20659801
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #86 on: 04/29/2015 01:50 pm »
This SES press release is saying 2Q/3Q for SES 9.

http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/20659801

That's from a couple months ago.  SpaceX has said the next launch is CRS-7 on June 19 (or somewhere around there if they have to adjust cargo), Gwynne said "Summer" for the upgraded version fairly recently.  2Q does not seem realistic now.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #87 on: 04/29/2015 02:32 pm »
This SES press release is saying 2Q/3Q for SES 9.

http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/20659801

That's from a couple months ago.  SpaceX has said the next launch is CRS-7 on June 19 (or somewhere around there if they have to adjust cargo), Gwynne said "Summer" for the upgraded version fairly recently.  2Q does not seem realistic now.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #88 on: 04/30/2015 05:30 pm »
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/593811524898131968
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SES: SpaceX has confirmed that our large SES-9 sat, new capacity over Asia, will launch on Falcon 9 before October.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #89 on: 04/30/2015 06:17 pm »
So either August before CRS-8 or 2nd half of September after CRS-8?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #90 on: 05/01/2015 03:34 am »
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/593811524898131968
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SES: SpaceX has confirmed that our large SES-9 sat, new capacity over Asia, will launch on Falcon 9 before October.

That's interesting.  I had assumed that they would work really hard to go before the end of June based on the financial statements reported in February:
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/568717723552915456
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SES: What a difference 1 sat makes: If SpaceX launches SES-9 in Q2, 2015-2017 CAGR is 5%. If in Q3, CAGR is 3.5%. Co has 54-sat fleet.
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SES Chief Financial Officer Padraig McCarthy said during the conference call that if SES-9 is launched by June, SES’s average annual revenue between 2015 and 2017 is likely to grow by 4 percent. If the launch slips beyond June, the compound annual revenue growth will be just 3.5 percent.

I mean, June is still before October but from the wording of the new tweet it makes it sound like August or September is more the range he's taking about.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #91 on: 05/01/2015 08:29 pm »
How about July 15? Info comes from the Rocket Launch Viewing page of www.launchphotography.com.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #92 on: 05/02/2015 07:25 am »
This SES press release is saying 2Q/3Q for SES 9.

http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/20659801

Just noticed, you linked to the release from February 20th.  Their 1st quarter results release from April 30th (2 days after you posted) is now saying 3Q 2015.  It's in the table close to the bottom of the document.

http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2015/21153079

edit: parenthetical remark
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #93 on: 05/02/2015 08:00 pm »
Spaceflightnow has a update showing July 15th which at a minimum is the most precise date I have seen for this yet. Although precision does not equal accuracy and everything is subject to shifts to the right.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #94 on: 06/08/2015 12:06 am »
Spaceflightnow has a update showing July 15th which at a minimum is the most precise date I have seen for this yet. Although precision does not equal accuracy and everything is subject to shifts to the right.

Now slipped to NET August after Jason-3 per SFN.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #95 on: 06/10/2015 03:55 pm »
Hmmm, thought the group had settled on this satellite using standard chemical propulsion for orbit raising, but this article popped up today.  Anyone know if the site usually has good reporting?

http://advanced-television.com/2015/06/09/ses-eyes-down-look-beyond-the-top-line/
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This satellite, destined to serve Asia, already has excellent pre-sales, but because it is an all-electric satellite it will take 4-6 months to get into orbit – and only then will it start earning its keep.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #96 on: 06/10/2015 07:38 pm »
Hmmm, thought the group had settled on this satellite using standard chemical propulsion for orbit raising, but this article popped up today.  Anyone know if the site usually has good reporting?

http://advanced-television.com/2015/06/09/ses-eyes-down-look-beyond-the-top-line/
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This satellite, destined to serve Asia, already has excellent pre-sales, but because it is an all-electric satellite it will take 4-6 months to get into orbit – and only then will it start earning its keep.

The satellite is a Boeing 702HP, which has both biprop and electric propulsion:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2012-10-10-Boeing-to-Build-702HP-Communications-Satellite-for-SES
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #97 on: 06/17/2015 03:56 pm »
From pbdes on twitter, this launch will be recovering the first stage of F9:

"SES CTO: We've asked SpaceX if recovered 1st stage from our SES-9 launch this summer could be sold to us for lower-cost future launch. TBD."

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/611199719864410112

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #98 on: 06/17/2015 04:02 pm »
From pbdes on twitter, this launch will be recovering the first stage of F9:

"SES CTO: We've asked SpaceX if recovered 1st stage from our SES-9 launch this summer could be sold to us for lower-cost future launch. TBD."

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/611199719864410112
I love SES. They are the perfect partner to what SpaceX is trying to achieve. Good for them!

It's technically possible.  CR7 needs to return successfully and be inspected and put through a rigorous re-flight program in NM. THEN if SES-9 returns and gains qualification for re-use, then there we go. Just the fact SES is already publicly putting this out there, must cause shivers to run down the spines of the industry. I mean, how exactly do you compete against this capability and the launch deals it will provide to companies such as SES?

Edit: Forgot about Jason3, so that should be thrown in there as well. The other thing I didn't take into consideration is the fact that SES-9 is the first v1.2. So I'm not sure what results from v1.1 core re-flight testing and Qual will be applied to a V1.2 core. I would think many variances/tolerances would port over though. Regardless, all super interesting.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 FT - SES-9 - March 4, 2016 - DISCUSSION
« Reply #99 on: 06/17/2015 04:24 pm »
From pbdes on twitter, this launch will be recovering the first stage of F9:

"SES CTO: We've asked SpaceX if recovered 1st stage from our SES-9 launch this summer could be sold to us for lower-cost future launch. TBD."

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/611199719864410112
They might have the margin to recover the first stage on that flight? SES-9 is 5.3 metric tons! I mean, that's amazing news, but I also I'm astounded it's technically feasible.

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