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Boca Chica Resort
« on: 08/11/2020 05:29 am »
SpaceX application:  Resort Development Manager

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- Blue Origin-style suborbital tourism resort?

- Spacediving?

- Marsliner LEO AG package?

- Other profitable possibilities?

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #1 on: 08/11/2020 05:47 am »
SpaceX application:  Resort Development Manager

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- Blue Origin-style suborbital tourism resort?

- Spacediving?

- Marsliner LEO AG package?

- Other profitable possibilities?

When I saw this the other day, I figured SpaceX's intentions are to bootstrap somewhere for engineers and VIPs to go when working on Starship related endeavors, with the benefits of coordinated architectural design and aesthetics, and not needing to rely on speculative commercial partnerships to create a resort that's suitable for their goals of frequent space flights for everything from Department of Defense missions to space tourists.

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #2 on: 08/11/2020 05:51 am »
As long as they have a beach nearby, should be great!   ;D
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #3 on: 08/11/2020 06:08 am »
SpaceX application:  Resort Development Manager

Where's Walt Disney when they need him?

"MuskWorld", "Three Starships over Texas"..
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #4 on: 08/11/2020 10:41 am »
SpaceX application:  Resort Development Manager

When I saw this the other day, I figured SpaceX's intentions are to bootstrap somewhere for engineers and VIPs to go when working on Starship related endeavors, with the benefits of coordinated architectural design and aesthetics, and not needing to rely on speculative commercial partnerships to create a resort that's suitable for their goals of frequent space flights for everything from Department of Defense missions to space tourists.

I suspect that, in the short term at least, it's to stop wasting engineering management time (possibly even Elon's) in sorting this stuff out when they could be working on Starship design and manufacture! And if properly organised it may be less expensive overall. But, I'm sure SpaceX is well aware of the inherent commercial possibilities in the medium to longer term and would explore the possibilities of capturing some of the profits.

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #5 on: 08/11/2020 12:17 pm »
Here's a link to the Teslarati article on this.
https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-spaceport-resort-developer-texas-rocket-factory-job-opening/

The author speculates about how the resort(s) might include the floating launch platforms, as well as BC.
« Last Edit: 08/11/2020 12:17 pm by Texsun »

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #6 on: 08/11/2020 02:35 pm »
I find this a bit concerning.  Trying to build anything resembling a conventional resort in BC after using "It's too dangerous to live here" as a cudgel to pressure the remaining home owners to sell, would generate a huge amount of fully deserved negative press.

I really hope this is either just a fancy job title for Out of Town Employee Airstream Accommodations Manager, or despite saying Boca Chica in the title the actual plan is to build a resort somewhere between BC and Brownsville.

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #7 on: 08/11/2020 03:37 pm »
I find this a bit concerning.  Trying to build anything resembling a conventional resort in BC after using "It's too dangerous to live here" as a cudgel to pressure the remaining home owners to sell, would generate a huge amount of fully deserved negative press.

I really hope this is either just a fancy job title for Out of Town Employee Airstream Accommodations Manager, or despite saying Boca Chica in the title the actual plan is to build a resort somewhere between BC and Brownsville.

Another possibility is, that they have actually decided to go with the off-shore launch platform. That could eventually free BC to become the spaceport terminal with amenities.
BTW, this would still mean that BC is not suitable for permanent habitation while the R&D testing is going on.
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #8 on: 08/11/2020 03:51 pm »
I find this a bit concerning.  Trying to build anything resembling a conventional resort in BC after using "It's too dangerous to live here" as a cudgel to pressure the remaining home owners to sell, would generate a huge amount of fully deserved negative press.

I really hope this is either just a fancy job title for Out of Town Employee Airstream Accommodations Manager, or despite saying Boca Chica in the title the actual plan is to build a resort somewhere between BC and Brownsville.

Anyone good at GIS? Any large plots available between BC and Brownsville?

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #9 on: 08/11/2020 05:17 pm »
I find this a bit concerning.  Trying to build anything resembling a conventional resort in BC after using "It's too dangerous to live here" as a cudgel to pressure the remaining home owners to sell, would generate a huge amount of fully deserved negative press.

I don't think there's a contradiction here. SpaceX didn't say "It's too dangerous to live here", they said there will be a lot more disruptions, the guests in the resort wouldn't mind disruptions if they're in the resort to watch the disruptions. And I assume they can ask guests to sign waivers, like the waivers handed out to guests watching a launch, I think there's a difference between heading into potentially dangerous area willingly and having potential danger moving in next door of your home.

Anyway, they advertised this position a few months ago, it did generate some negative press and they removed the job ads quickly. Now that they're doing this again, I wonder if something changed.
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #10 on: 08/11/2020 05:29 pm »
I find this a bit concerning.  Trying to build anything resembling a conventional resort in BC after using "It's too dangerous to live here" as a cudgel to pressure the remaining home owners to sell, would generate a huge amount of fully deserved negative press.

I really hope this is either just a fancy job title for Out of Town Employee Airstream Accommodations Manager, or despite saying Boca Chica in the title the actual plan is to build a resort somewhere between BC and Brownsville.

Anyone good at GIS? Any large plots available between BC and Brownsville?
Since its a "space"resort, and "will be" 100% effectively controlled by SX, any guests, patrons, contractors, and employees will naturally observe all safety procedures, including going outside, vacating the area, retreating outside checkpoints...  (And this is moot because of the beach and HW4, but SX would not have to get external authority for these disruptions). And the houses will not be used as anyone's permanent main residence. (EM has other sofas!)

Its pretty clear that Elon likes the scene where the team is living on the job and works 24/7 (well 12 hrs a day). Everyone is fired up by the mission, the technical challenges, the engineering the successes. They live/camp together and party together. Just like the Falcon 1. Lots of workers in various industries "bunk" on site. However at BC, even that is transformed!

Visitors, investors, even dignitaries may be put up there! "Come down to BC and meat the crew, see how we do things, its a great atmosphere." - no spoiling the effect by sending people to a drab business hotel in Brownsville. 
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #11 on: 08/11/2020 05:33 pm »
"Sorry Elon I absolutely said I'd see the kids this weekend".
"No problem, bring them down here".
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #12 on: 08/11/2020 05:51 pm »
I find this a bit concerning.  Trying to build anything resembling a conventional resort in BC after using "It's too dangerous to live here" as a cudgel to pressure the remaining home owners to sell, would generate a huge amount of fully deserved negative press.

I really hope this is either just a fancy job title for Out of Town Employee Airstream Accommodations Manager, or despite saying Boca Chica in the title the actual plan is to build a resort somewhere between BC and Brownsville.

Anyone good at GIS? Any large plots available between BC and Brownsville?

Think you can get a medium to large cruise ship really cheap right now. As long as you don't pack it up beyond 16% of it's rated capacity and maintain strict health protocols it should be worked. It is a lot easier than finding enough land between Boca Chica and Brownsville to developed from scratch into  some sort of resort. Could be a floating launch viewing stand for Starship test flights.

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #13 on: 08/11/2020 05:53 pm »
The guests at the "resort" (let's just say, "deluxe accommodations") will likely be limited to paying customers awaiting their flight, SpaceX employees from other locations on site to work, and others from among the strictly Space Business crowd.

I can't imagine any good reason to be inviting tourists just for the sake of them having a Kodak moment, taking a tour, and heading home.

Well, except for space alien tourists, of course.
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #14 on: 08/11/2020 08:09 pm »
The guests at the "resort" (let's just say, "deluxe accommodations") will likely be limited to paying customers awaiting their flight, SpaceX employees from other locations on site to work, and others from among the strictly Space Business crowd.

I can't imagine any good reason to be inviting tourists just for the sake of them having a Kodak moment, taking a tour, and heading home.

Well, except for space alien tourists, of course.

Haven't you seen the crowds that came to watch the FH launch? Now imagine the interest the first manned flight to Mars would create. Or "just" Maezawa san flying around the Moon...

If (I know it's a big if) #dearmoon launches on schedule in '23, then lunar test flights can't be more than a year away.
« Last Edit: 08/11/2020 08:11 pm by jpo234 »
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #15 on: 08/11/2020 10:16 pm »
The guests at the "resort" (let's just say, "deluxe accommodations") will likely be limited to paying customers awaiting their flight, SpaceX employees from other locations on site to work, and others from among the strictly Space Business crowd.

I can't imagine any good reason to be inviting tourists just for the sake of them having a Kodak moment, taking a tour, and heading home.

Well, except for space alien tourists, of course.

Haven't you seen the crowds that came to watch the FH launch? Now imagine the interest the first manned flight to Mars would create. Or "just" Maezawa san flying around the Moon...
They will all go to South Padre Island where launch viewing facilities have already been installed: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46358.0

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #17 on: 08/12/2020 01:49 am »
The guests at the "resort" (let's just say, "deluxe accommodations") will likely be limited to paying customers awaiting their flight, SpaceX employees from other locations on site to work, and others from among the strictly Space Business crowd.

I can't imagine any good reason to be inviting tourists just for the sake of them having a Kodak moment, taking a tour, and heading home.

Well, except for space alien tourists, of course.

Haven't you seen the crowds that came to watch the FH launch? Now imagine the interest the first manned flight to Mars would create. Or "just" Maezawa san flying around the Moon...

If (I know it's a big if) #dearmoon launches on schedule in '23, then lunar test flights can't be more than a year away.

I wasn't saying "people" aren't interested. I was saying there is no good reason for SpaceX to build a resort for them. S. Padre is right there and they are accustomed to catering to the masses.

Why would SpaceX want to hire resort expertise? This is the question. I don't think the first answer is tourism.

Maezawa-san is more in the ballpark for the reasoning behind SpaceX wanting nice digs on hand for VIPs.

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #18 on: 08/12/2020 01:51 am »
I wasn't saying "people" aren't interested. I was saying there is no good reason for SpaceX to build a resort for them. S. Padre is right there and they are accustomed to catering to the masses.

Why would SpaceX want to hire resort expertise? This is the question. I don't think the first answer is tourism.

Maezawa-san is more in the ballpark for the reasoning behind SpaceX wanting nice digs on hand for VIPs.

South Padre has a rather roundabout route to Boca Chica as well.

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Re: Boca Chica Resort
« Reply #19 on: 08/12/2020 02:07 am »
How might this change up the environmental review that Boca Chica is currently under? It seems as if SpaceX will hire a resort developer and A) either have to go through yet another major environmental review or B) integrate the current plans into the review. The speed at which the spaceport is going up seems like it would make the review more difficult. I just hope the Resort Developer takes into account the incredible nature around the area and integrates it rather than destroy it.

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