#dearMoon - Starship First Contracted Private Passenger Flight - DISCUSSION

[rakaydos]

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As an alternative, Crew Dragon is listed as 4m in diameter and 8.1m high including its trunk. Could it not just enter sideways into the Starship cargo bay, close the Starship cargo bay door, pressurise the bay and the crew then exits in their shorts and t-shirts?

Going have to deal with Dragon's hypergols. You really want to keep that stuff outside. Not necessarily a show stopper, but likely to complicate matters. The procedures for open atmosphere after landing to avoid hypergols are very strict. In an enclosed space... but that is another topic.

You're not going to want a multi-ton vehical floating free in a starship bay, even in micragravity, while people move around it. You need some kind of clamp anyway, so why not seal off the RCS ports before pressurizing?

[joek]

You're not going to want a multi-ton vehical floating free in a starship bay, even in micragravity, while people move around it. You need some kind of clamp anyway, so why not seal off the RCS ports before pressurizing?

Different issues, and a longer conversation for another thread IMO. Maybe "How would you use Starship as a mothership for Dragon?" or some-such.

[joek]

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It will be easier to simply get the crew to sign the necessary FAA waiver, and launch them onboard the Starship. 
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Not that simple. A waiver is not a magic piece of paper that cures all. They will still need a launch license from FAA (if commercial) or meet NASA requirements (if NASA personnel are on board). Both require a level of due diligence (FAA or NASA) well beyond someone simply signing a piece of paper.

[jpo234]

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It will be easier to simply get the crew to sign the necessary FAA waiver, and launch them onboard the Starship. 
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Not that simple. A waiver is not a magic piece of paper that cures all. They will still need a launch license from FAA (if commercial) or meet NASA requirements (if NASA personnel are on board). Both require a level of due diligence (FAA or NASA) well beyond someone simply signing a piece of paper.

Current FAA rules: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/human_space_flight_reqs/

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/regulations/media/Guidance_on_Informing_Crew_and_Space_Flight_Participants_of_Risk.pdf

[joek]

Current FAA rules: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/human_space_flight_reqs/

Yup, and (emphasis added) ...

... In addition, launch operators are required to inform passengers of the risks of space travel generally and the risks of space travel in the operators vehicle in particular. ...

... there are a whole lot of "in addition" points included in the referenced CFR's.

[pjm1]

You're not going to want a multi-ton vehical floating free in a starship bay, even in micragravity, while people move around it. You need some kind of clamp anyway, so why not seal off the RCS ports before pressurizing?

Different issues, and a longer conversation for another thread IMO. Maybe "How would you use Starship as a mothership for Dragon?" or some-such.

If they ever did, I hope the ship would be called SS Daenerys 

[xvel]

Please stop this discussion about dragon inside starship because it is a complete absurd like every other idea of putting falcon second stage inside starship etc... Dragon is designed for docking end of topic.

[joek]

Please stop this discussion about dragon inside starship because it is a complete absurd like every other idea of putting falcon second stage inside starship etc... Dragon is designed for docking end of topic.

Just move discussion to another thread; anyone interested in continuing discussion free to do so.

[Everything Space]

Was the "Vancouver artist" who allegedly made it into the final 20 in the highlight video of dearMoon?

[spacenut]

Dragon II has hypergols on board, and CANNOT be stored inside Starship especially if a crew is on board.

[Vultur]

I wonder if there will be more news about this after Maezawa's current ISS flight?

[MATTBLAK]

Heh; I remain rather interested in the project, even though they made the mistake of not having me as one of their chosen crew members!  Their loss, I reckon... Still; with my health diagnosis recently, probably just as well... 

[russianhalo117]

Dragon II has hypergols on board, and CANNOT be stored inside Starship especially if a crew is on board.

I find that partially muted by the fact that the STS orbiters flew payloads  with hypergolic and/or solid propellant stages/spacecraft inside its payload bay. They were also certified for flying hydrolox Centaur upper stages prior to the cancellation of the first planned mission. Agena was also on the table for a time for VAFB SLC-6 DoD launches.

[xvel]

Dragon II has hypergols on board, and CANNOT be stored inside Starship especially if a crew is on board.

I find that partially muted by the fact that the STS orbiters flew payloads  with hypergolic and/or solid propellant stages/spacecraft inside its payload bay. They were also certified for flying hydrolox Centaur upper stages prior to the cancellation of the first planned mission. Agena was also on the table for a time for VAFB SLC-6 DoD launches.

inside its payload bay which is basically "outside" of the spacecraft, so human starship would need separate pressurized and unpressurized sections to do that and I don't see it being designed in this in mind at all.

[FutureSpaceTourist]

I don’t remember seeing this posted before, but I could have easily missed it:

https://twitter.com/mach7matt/status/1599914099818713089

Is this new? If so, a small insight into starship interior plans

It’s from https://www.spacex.com/human-spaceflight/ if you select Moon as the destination.

I know this is not necessarily what SpaceX is doing for dearMoon, but space for 12 is suggestive?

[Robotbeat]

Looks like standardizing on what Dear Moon is doing.

…can’t wait until they increase the number of passengers to the Moon or Mars to 100 and 500 to LEO… I might be able to afford it!

[billh]

I'm glad Tim Dodd is going. He can explain all the rocket stuff to the rest of them.

[Michel Van]

List of Crew for Dear Moon

Prime Crew:
Yusaku Maezawa - Japanese entrepreneur.
Steve Aoki - US DJ
Rhiannon Adam - Analog Photographer
Yemi A.D. - Czech Dancer
TOP [Choi Seung Hyun) - Korean musician
Tim Dodd - US YouTuber specialised on Space Flight.
Karim Iliyan - British Photographer
Dev D. Joshi - Indian actor
Brendan Hall - US Filmmaker

Backup crew:
Miyu - Japanese Dancer/Artist
Kaitlyn Farrington - US professional snowboarder

WTF?
No Painter, No illustrator, No Poet, No author, No philosopher 
but Snowboarder in backup crew
So much for Artist to Moon, Meh...

(note i'm illustrator and i not apply for Dear Moon)

[eric z]

   Not trying to rain on the grand parade, but two points I would like to make.
!] Put a professional like Mike L-A on the crew. Two would be even better. I don't care how automated this is supposed to be.
2] I think this is still years away, much more to the right than the hype now suggests- will all these people still be interested by then?

[nuukee]

Put a professional like Mike L-A on the crew. Two would be even better. I don't care how automated this is supposed to

Absolutely agree.

And I believe this will happen. MZ bought the entire (passenger) capacity, but this does not mean that SpaceX can't add an experienced Captain as staff from their side. I would be surprised if this is not happening.