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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #80 on: 08/25/2021 06:03 am »
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All RD180s have been received and are in Decatur. They will fly out with Atlas over the next several years

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #82 on: 08/27/2021 08:32 am »
Delivered: 122 - 2T-17T (6T was refurbished as 6T1), 19T-21T, 23T-125T

Not delivered: 3 - 1T, 18T, 22T

Used: 93 - 2T-17T, 19T-21T, 23T-86T, 89T, 97T, 99T-102T, 104T, 105T, 107T, 109T

Available: 29 - 87T, 88T, 90T-96T, 98T, 103T, 106T, 108T, 110T-125T

98T - OFT-2 (was planned before delay)
119T - Landsat-9
« Last Edit: 08/27/2021 08:41 am by anik »

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #83 on: 08/27/2021 11:27 am »
"They are all sold"

Interesting because of the implication to Starliner launches. Either Boeing bought several Atlas "just in case" (more NASA flights, commercial flights) which then might become available again or there might arise a bottleneck (no more boosters) to the Starliner program. Man-rating the Vulcan rocket is clearly possible but costs additional money (and takes some time).

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #84 on: 08/27/2021 03:28 pm »
I wonder if Amazon could be persuaded to move some of their later Atlas missions to Vulcan, in exchange for a slight discount or more satellites on each launch.  That could free up a few Atlases if there was a more pressing mission with less launcher flexibility, such as Starliner. 

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #85 on: 08/28/2021 12:40 am »
I wonder if Amazon could be persuaded to move some of their later Atlas missions to Vulcan, in exchange for a slight discount or more satellites on each launch.  That could free up a few Atlases if there was a more pressing mission with less launcher flexibility, such as Starliner.

The two critical dates for Kuiper is July 30th, 2026 and July 30th, 2029, IIRC.By those dates they need 50% (~1618 satellites) and 100% (3236 satellites, I think) of their fleet up to secure their ITU rights.
We need to make two assumptions:
A) An EELV-class LV can carry 50 satellites.
B) Their first operational launch will be around Q1 2022. They might launch some prototypes earlier.

This means that they will need about 35 launches between Q1 2022 and Q2 2026. Which is about 10 launches per year.
This doesn't leave Amazon much flexibility: they will probably need to buy more launches before July 2029, and it seems unlikely IMO that Vulcan will have reached a launch cadence so fast that Amazon would be able to give up any Atlas launches for extra Vulcan launches.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #86 on: 10/08/2021 11:57 pm »
Does anyone have a list of RD-180 serial numbers showing what engine was used on what flight.
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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #87 on: 05/03/2022 01:55 am »
How many RD-180s are left in the ULA inventory for the Atlas V, especially in light of US sanctions against NPO Energomash?

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #88 on: 05/03/2022 02:21 am »
How many RD-180s are left in the ULA inventory for the Atlas V, especially in light of US sanctions against NPO Energomash?
Answered a few posts back--the remaining Atlas V launches are all sold and the engines for those launches have already been delivered. ULA doesn't need and won't be buying any more RD-180's.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #89 on: 03/01/2023 12:45 am »
How many RD-180s are left in the ULA inventory for the Atlas V, especially in light of US sanctions against NPO Energomash?
Answered a few posts back--the remaining Atlas V launches are all sold and the engines for those launches have already been delivered. ULA doesn't need and won't be buying any more RD-180's.
I know that there are 19 Atlas V launches remaining, but I'm curious as to the Atlas V launches to which the RD-180s with serial numbers 1T, 18T, 22T, 87T, 88T, 90T-96T, 98T, 103T, 106T, 108T, and 110T-125T were or have been assigned.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #90 on: 03/01/2023 01:00 am »
How many RD-180s are left in the ULA inventory for the Atlas V, especially in light of US sanctions against NPO Energomash?
Answered a few posts back--the remaining Atlas V launches are all sold and the engines for those launches have already been delivered. ULA doesn't need and won't be buying any more RD-180's.
I know that there are 19 Atlas V launches remaining, but I'm curious as to the Atlas V launches to which the RD-180s with serial numbers 1T, 18T, 22T, 87T, 88T, 90T-96T, 98T, 103T, 106T, 108T, and 110T-125T were or have been assigned.
Why those ones specifically?

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #91 on: 03/01/2023 01:35 am »
How many RD-180s are left in the ULA inventory for the Atlas V, especially in light of US sanctions against NPO Energomash?
Answered a few posts back--the remaining Atlas V launches are all sold and the engines for those launches have already been delivered. ULA doesn't need and won't be buying any more RD-180's.
I know that there are 19 Atlas V launches remaining, but I'm curious as to the Atlas V launches to which the RD-180s with serial numbers 1T, 18T, 22T, 87T, 88T, 90T-96T, 98T, 103T, 106T, 108T, and 110T-125T were or have been assigned.
Why those ones specifically?
When reply#82 was written back in 2021, 93 Atlas V launches had been conducted. That post gives a list of used and yet-to-be used RD-180s for Atlas V launches.
« Last Edit: 03/01/2023 01:36 am by Vahe231991 »

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #92 on: 07/10/2024 06:50 pm »
I heard slightly different count:

1. The original contract was for 101 engine - done.
2. The first extension (of early 2016 IIRC) for 20 engines - done.
3. The second extension (of 2019) for 6 more engines - to be delivered in 2020.

However, the first contract covered some non-flight units which were supposed for ground testing only.
They told me that there were three non-flight engines in total.
If this info correct, then currently 118 RD-180 were delivered


Why to assume if all RD-180 serial numbers are known?

Delivered to USA: 116

http://engine.space/press/pressnews/3125/

"Компании RD AMROSS было поставлено 6 двигателей РД180. Всего по программе РД180 отправлено 116 двигателей. В этом году состоялись 2 пуска ракеты-носителя семейства Atlas производства United Launch Alliance с двигателями НПО Энергомаш на первой ступени, обеспечив тем самым 87 успешных пусков подряд"

So delivered: 2T-17T (6T was refurbished as 6T1), 19T-21T, 23T-119T

Not delivered: 3 - 1T (T?), 18T and 22T

Used: 89 - 2T-17T, 19T-21T, 23T-86T, 89T, 97T, 99T-100T, 102T, 104T

Available in USA: 27 - 87T-88T, 90T-96T, 98T, 101T, 103T, 105T-119T

In construction: 6 - 120T-125T

Does anyone have the serial numbers of the RD-180 used since 2020 ?
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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #93 on: 07/11/2024 01:06 am »
I heard slightly different count:

1. The original contract was for 101 engine - done.
2. The first extension (of early 2016 IIRC) for 20 engines - done.
3. The second extension (of 2019) for 6 more engines - to be delivered in 2020.

However, the first contract covered some non-flight units which were supposed for ground testing only.
They told me that there were three non-flight engines in total.
If this info correct, then currently 118 RD-180 were delivered


Why to assume if all RD-180 serial numbers are known?

Delivered to USA: 116

http://engine.space/press/pressnews/3125/

"Компании RD AMROSS было поставлено 6 двигателей РД180. Всего по программе РД180 отправлено 116 двигателей. В этом году состоялись 2 пуска ракеты-носителя семейства Atlas производства United Launch Alliance с двигателями НПО Энергомаш на первой ступени, обеспечив тем самым 87 успешных пусков подряд"

So delivered: 2T-17T (6T was refurbished as 6T1), 19T-21T, 23T-119T

Not delivered: 3 - 1T (T?), 18T and 22T

Used: 89 - 2T-17T, 19T-21T, 23T-86T, 89T, 97T, 99T-100T, 102T, 104T

Available in USA: 27 - 87T-88T, 90T-96T, 98T, 101T, 103T, 105T-119T

In construction: 6 - 120T-125T

Does anyone have the serial numbers of the RD-180 used since 2020 ?
Or the actual assignments since the first Atlas III in 2000!
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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #94 on: 07/11/2024 03:00 am »
A very incomplete list but it's better than nothing

1T - Not Delivered
2T - AC-201 - 24.05.2000
3T - AC-203 - 18.12.2003
4T - AC-204 - 21.02.2002
5T - AC-205 - 12.04.2003
6T -> 6T1 - AC-206 - 03.02.2005
7T - AC-202 - 13.03.2004
8T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
9T - AV-001 - 21.08.2002
10T - AV-002 - 13.05.2003
11T - AV-003 - 17.07.2003
12T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
13T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
14T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
15T - AV-007 - 12.08.2005
16T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
17T - AV-013 - 09.03.2007
18T - Not Delivered
19T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
20T - AV-010 - 19.01.2006
21T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
22T - Not Delivered
23T - AV-014 - 14.04.2008
24T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
25T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
26T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
27T - AV-016 - 04.04.2009
28T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
29T - AV-027 - 15.04.2011
30T - AV-020 - 18.06.2009
31T - AV-021 - 11.02.2010
32T - AV-022 - 07.05.2011
33T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
34T - AV-026 - 05.03.2011
35T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
36T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
37T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
38T - AV-024 - 23.11.2009
39T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
40T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
41T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
42T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
43T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
44T - AV-028 - 26.11.2011
45T - AV-029 - 05.08.2011
46T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
47T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
48T - AV-038 - 18.11.2013
49T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
50T - AV-043 - 24.01.2014
51T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
52T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
53T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
54T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
55T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
56T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
57T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
58T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
59T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
60T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
61T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
62T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
63T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
64T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
65T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
66T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
67T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
68T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
69T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
70T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
71T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
72T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
73T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
74T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
75T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
76T - AV-078 - 05.05.2018
77T - AV-069 - 19.11.2016
78T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
79T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
80T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
81T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
82T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
83T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
84T - AV-070 - 18.04.2017
85T - AV-077 - 01.03.2018
86T - AV-074 - 18.08.2017
87T
88T - AV-099 - 04.10.2022
89T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
90T - AV-104 - 06.10.2023
91T
92T
93T
94T
95T
96T
97T - AV-080 - 20.12.2019
98T - AV-096 - 16.10.2021
99T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
100T - AV-xxx - xx.xx.xxxx
101T - AV-081 - 17.05.2020
102T - AV-086 - 26.03.2020
103T - AV-094 - 01.07.2022
104T - AV-087 - 10.02.2020
105T - AV-088 - 25.07.2020
106T - AV-085 - 05.06.2024
107T - AV-091 - 18.05.2021
108T - AV-093 - 07.12.2021
109T - AV-090 - 13.11.2020
110T - AV-098 - 10.11.2022
111T - AV-095 - 01.03.2022
112T
113T
114T
115T - AV-097 - 04.08.2022
116T
117T
118T - AV-084 - 21.01.2022
119T - AV-092 - 27.09.2021
120T - AV-082 - 19.05.2022
121T
122T - AV-102 - 10.09.2023
123T - AV-101
124T
125T
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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #95 on: 07/11/2024 06:19 am »
Thank you !

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #96 on: 06/16/2025 05:42 pm »
AV 105 RD-180 No.95T
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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #97 on: 06/16/2025 06:25 pm »
Wish we would have started building the RD-180's here.  From what I understand we had a license to do so several years ago.  Atlas could still be flying.  ULA could have made Atlas V Phase 2, a 5.5m twin RD-180 engine rocket that could have been powerful enough to launch Orion into LEO.  A 3 core heavy version could have launched Orion to the moon.  Alternative reality.  RD-180's are/were good engines and could have been made reusable. 

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #98 on: 06/16/2025 08:04 pm »
Wish we would have started building the RD-180's here.  From what I understand we had a license to do so several years ago.  Atlas could still be flying.  ULA could have made Atlas V Phase 2, a 5.5m twin RD-180 engine rocket that could have been powerful enough to launch Orion into LEO.  A 3 core heavy version could have launched Orion to the moon.  Alternative reality.  RD-180's are/were good engines and could have been made reusable.

Yeah,  some body told me last year that 2x RD-191s don't equal RD-180 and that Phase 2 with 2x RD-180s on 5.5 core would have been a beast. Then add 3 Core Heavy with solid boosters. Your getting some were.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #99 on: 06/16/2025 08:49 pm »
Wish we would have started building the RD-180's here.  From what I understand we had a license to do so several years ago.  Atlas could still be flying.  ULA could have made Atlas V Phase 2, a 5.5m twin RD-180 engine rocket that could have been powerful enough to launch Orion into LEO.  A 3 core heavy version could have launched Orion to the moon.  Alternative reality.  RD-180's are/were good engines and could have been made reusable.

Yeah,  some body told me last year that 2x RD-191s don't equal RD-180 and that Phase 2 with 2x RD-180s on 5.5 core would have been a beast. Then add 3 Core Heavy with solid boosters. Your getting some were.
Correct in flight but not at designed test values, however two uprated RD-191M's definitely would or two R&D'd RD-195's would align with the respective proposed developments of RD-180M for Atlas-V production continuation (Modernised and uprated RD-180 production restart programme albeit with geopolitcally fobidden and never signed new replacement contract instead the fully reusable RD-180M served as the baseline for the fully expendable RD-180MV) and RD-180MV (Soyuz-6).

The export versions manufacturing licence expired and was never exercised nor renewed by RD AMROSS due to geopolitics.
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