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Offline Semmel

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #60 on: 02/05/2019 11:03 am »
Whats newsworthy about this? Isn't every RD-180 static fired before delivery as it is? And why a picture of the Atlas III demo unit being tested?

Its a rocket engine test. What more is needed for being cool? Also, I am not sure if the RD180s are tested before delivery. are they?

Also, any fart of a Merlin is reported, so why not report RD180s as well? I certainly like to see RD180 engine tests.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #61 on: 02/05/2019 11:11 am »
Also, I am not sure if the RD180s are tested before delivery. are they?

My understanding is that every RD-180 is tested before delivery.
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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #62 on: 06/05/2019 04:04 pm »
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DOT-OST-2017-0044-0740

Looks like a delivery is scheduled between June 24 and July 24 (Volga-Dnepr flight from Moscow to Huntsville)

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #63 on: 06/19/2019 10:41 am »
https://twitter.com/roscosmos/status/1141289752844541952

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Очередная партия жидкостных ракетных двигателей РД-180, изготовленных НПО Энергомаш, готовится к отправке — https://www.roscosmos.ru/26455/

Google translate of https://www.roscosmos.ru/26455/:

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The next batch of RD-180 is being prepared for shipment.

The acceptance commission on the customer’s acceptance of the next batch of RD-180 engines manufactured by NPO Energomash has successfully completed its work. In June 2019, representatives of the companies Pratt & Whitney, United Launch Alliance, and RD AMROSS signed the forms for three product engines.

Within two weeks, representatives of the above companies conducted an external inspection of the engines, spare parts, inspection of the accompanying documentation. This acceptance is the first in 2019, now they are being prepared for shipment.

Liquid rocket engine RD-180 is designed and manufactured by NPO Energomash. It is intended for use in the US Atlas family of launch vehicles.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #64 on: 11/01/2019 03:40 pm »
https://www.roscosmos.ru/27701/
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10/31/2019 13:44
Three RD-180 engines shipped to the USA
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In mid-October, representatives of the companies Pratt & Whitney, United Launch Alliance, and AMROSS EP signed forms for three commodity engines. After acceptance, the RD-180 engines were prepared for shipment and sent to the customer on October 29 at 06:15 Moscow time.

Does somebody know - was this the last shipment?
Or (if it's not) - how many RD-180 left on contract to manufacture ?
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Roscomos statements on previous shipments of RD-180:
Oct 31, 2018   "НПО «Энергомаш». Передача четырех двигателей РД-180 альянсу ULA"
https://www.roscosmos.ru/25663/
Dec 10, 2018   "Три двигателя РД-180 переданы заказчикам"
https://www.roscosmos.ru/25837/
Jun 19, 2019   "Очередная партия РД-180 готовится к отправке"
https://www.roscosmos.ru/26455/

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #65 on: 04/18/2020 09:00 am »
I take this to mean might not need any more RD-180 deliveries:

twitter.com/psychonaut421/status/1250608118440046597

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Are the Atlas engines bought in bulk, or are they built to order per each rocket being built? How far in advance do you need to order?

https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1251433914322780160

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RD180s are fabricated in batches of 4. We currently have several years of inventory in hand

twitter.com/kyle_m_photo/status/1250770243955437568

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Is that close to enough for the rest of the Atlas V program?  I assume once Vulcan is well established you will be mostly launching those.

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1250774053373255682

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Yes

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #66 on: 04/18/2020 11:55 am »
116 RD-180s were delivered to USA, 89 were used, the last 6 will be delivered this year: it is not difficult to count how much RD-180s ULA has till Atlas 5 retire.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #67 on: 04/18/2020 01:17 pm »
116 RD-180s were delivered to USA, 89 were used, the last 6 will be delivered this year: it is not difficult to count how much RD-180s ULA has till Atlas 5 retire.
I heard slightly different count:

1. The original contract was for 101 engine - done.
2. The first extension (of early 2016 IIRC) for 20 engines - done.
3. The second extension (of 2019) for 6 more engines - to be delivered in 2020.

However, the first contract covered some non-flight units which were supposed for ground testing only.
They told me that there were three non-flight engines in total.
If this info correct, then currently 118 RD-180 were delivered.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #68 on: 04/18/2020 04:32 pm »
I heard slightly different count:

1. The original contract was for 101 engine - done.
2. The first extension (of early 2016 IIRC) for 20 engines - done.
3. The second extension (of 2019) for 6 more engines - to be delivered in 2020.

However, the first contract covered some non-flight units which were supposed for ground testing only.
They told me that there were three non-flight engines in total.
If this info correct, then currently 118 RD-180 were delivered

Why to assume if all RD-180 serial numbers are known?

Delivered to USA: 116

http://engine.space/press/pressnews/3125/

"Компании RD AMROSS было поставлено 6 двигателей РД180. Всего по программе РД180 отправлено 116 двигателей. В этом году состоялись 2 пуска ракеты-носителя семейства Atlas производства United Launch Alliance с двигателями НПО Энергомаш на первой ступени, обеспечив тем самым 87 успешных пусков подряд"

So delivered: 2T-17T (6T was refurbished as 6T1), 19T-21T, 23T-119T

Not delivered: 3 - 1T (T?), 18T and 22T

Used: 89 - 2T-17T, 19T-21T, 23T-86T, 89T, 97T, 99T-100T, 102T, 104T

Available in USA: 27 - 87T-88T, 90T-96T, 98T, 101T, 103T, 105T-119T

In construction: 6 - 120T-125T

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #69 on: 04/18/2020 09:20 pm »
Had not they developed some human-rated Rd-180 for the Starliner launches? How are those counted?

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #70 on: 04/18/2020 09:24 pm »
Had not they developed some human-rated Rd-180 for the Starliner launches? How are those counted?
RD-180 was already human rated capable when developed as it inherited the features from Energia/Zenit RD170 both of which were to at one point fly crews to Salyut 7 and Mir. Atlas had to be updated to utilise those features and RD-180 had to undergo American Man rating certification.
« Last Edit: 04/18/2020 09:26 pm by russianhalo117 »

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #71 on: 04/18/2020 10:57 pm »
https://twitter.com/rogozin/status/1251001033830141963

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Strange explanation m.lenta.ru/news/2020/04/1…
 It turns out that the American company buys our RD-180 engines not because they are the most efficient and reliable in their class (about 90 accident-free launches on the Atlas rocket), but in order "so that they will not go to the Iranians and North Koreans"

twitter.com/torybruno/status/1251604667408277507

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The RD180 is a technological marvel, ideally suited for Atlas' mission.

https://twitter.com/rogozin/status/1251638665119444993

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Thank you Mr. Bruno!  This engine is truly efficient and reliable.  We are pleased with our cooperation and are ready to continue it.  I confirm our invitation to you to visit Moscow for negotiations.  With respect to you and your company

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #72 on: 04/20/2020 08:37 am »
Well that explanation sound like some kind of threat.. "Hey United States.. Better buy the RD180 engines in the future as well, even if you just put them in a storehouse, otherwise we give them to Iran and North Korea. You don't want that, do you?"

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #73 on: 04/20/2020 10:20 pm »
Well that explanation sound like some kind of threat.. "Hey United States.. Better buy the RD180 engines in the future as well, even if you just put them in a storehouse, otherwise we give them to Iran and North Korea. You don't want that, do you?"
Does not works that way. Russia does not like to give away (even when selling, actually)  their top secret technology. Even the RD-180 license was a desperate measure. Look how little they got out of the RD-120 that got sold to China (and a bit to India). Look at how they refuse to give their proprietary methods on jet engine manufacturing to China. You might get some old tech, like an RD-0110, and that will be expensive.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #74 on: 04/21/2020 11:58 am »
Well that explanation sound like some kind of threat.. "Hey United States.. Better buy the RD180 engines in the future as well, even if you just put them in a storehouse, otherwise we give them to Iran and North Korea. You don't want that, do you?"
Certainly sounds "threatening", esp. to 99.9% of the NATO population that don't even know what a RD-180 engine is.
Paul

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #75 on: 10/30/2020 08:41 am »
10/30/2020

Tests of the new RD-180 engine were successful
In the scientific and testing complex of the Scientific and Production Association "Energomash" named after academician V.P. Glushko (part of the Roscosmos State Corporation) conducted a successful firing test of the RD-180 rocket engine.

The test program was carried out in full, the tests were carried out in a regular mode. The RD-180 liquid-propellant rocket engine is designed and manufactured by NPO Energomash. It is intended for use as part of the American Atlas 5 launch vehicles.

https://www.roscosmos.ru/29500/
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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #76 on: 11/04/2020 11:10 am »
Well that explanation sound like some kind of threat.. "Hey United States.. Better buy the RD180 engines in the future as well, even if you just put them in a storehouse, otherwise we give them to Iran and North Korea. You don't want that, do you?"
It's just pointing out  the argument of 'we bought RD-180 to stop missile technology going to NK' is nonsense. If the US wanted to prevent migration of missile workers, they should've bought things that would actually come from missile workers and not engines only suitable for space launch. It did nothing to prevent workers at e.g. Makayev from going broke and looking at other options.

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #77 on: 01/10/2021 04:24 am »
It's just pointing out  the argument of 'we bought RD-180 to stop missile technology going to NK' is nonsense. If the US wanted to prevent migration of missile workers, they should've bought things that would actually come from missile workers and not engines only suitable for space launch. It did nothing to prevent workers at e.g. Makayev from going broke and looking at other options.

RD-180 was just one part of a broader effort, which motivated much of American and European space policy at the time. Shuttle-Mir, the ISS ROS, NK-33/43 and RD-843 and potentially other engine sales, SeaLaunch, opening the commercial market to them, etc all helped various post-Soviet companies. Makayev was helped by the latter, mainly through reuse of surplus ICBMs for space launch

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #78 on: 04/08/2021 06:35 am »
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1380041128037191681

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A batch of six #RD180 engines will be delivered to USA this year, said the head of Energomash Igor Arbuzov. These are the last engines to be delivered under the current contract; they are ready, but the delivery has been postponed due to the pandemic. https://ria.ru/amp/20210408/dvigateli-1727294942.html

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Re: ULA orders more RD-180's
« Reply #79 on: 04/20/2021 09:30 am »
Any impact from the Amazon order ? Or are the available engines enough ?

 

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