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Title: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/26/2019 10:18 pm
We've been working on improving the forum theme in the background for a long period of time and will be launching this shortly.

Importantly, the functionality will remain the same, this is an appearance change and improvement. As with all changes, you can't please everyone, but we've been beta testing this with the team and have settled on this design as the way forward.

The main changes relate to the top bar. The top bar now matches more closely to the appearance of the news site, bringing commonality of appearance to the site as a whole. The same with the sidebar.

The news site style sidebar importantly allows additional revenue opportunities for the site, although you will notice we mostly use it for supporting our team members, including the rolling twitter feed (which is very useful) and only a few actual ads. We would appreciate it if visitors to this site whitelist NSF as adblocking it will only change that sidebar into a blank white area. Ad revenue will be going to an account to directly fund the team for content/expenses (L2 for the hosting), so don't be "that person" who runs around NSF saying they really enjoying with your ad blocker on full.

We have tested the new theme on as many formats and browsers as possible and for now the current special mobile theme will remain in place until the new theme is ready for mobile use. The goal is to have one theme to rule them all so to phase out the special mobile theme. For now, mobile use, in desktop mode, works. Just remember the forum menu will be focused on the section heads. Once in posts you'll be fine. Mobile/Desktop mode is a very small part of the readership, but that's a heads up.

Feel free to add feedback into this thread.

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Will add some key notes here as we go:

1) Old theme: When you clicked on an image attachment it would open to its original size in your browser (could be crazy if it was a big one, and break the width etc.) New theme: Click on an image to enlarge and it'll open in a new tab/window. Download link will still be there in the post.

2) Note the Forum on small mobile screens, in Desktop Mode" notes above.

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Below is an example of what you'll see when clicking on a section, for example (click to open full size).
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: kevinof on 09/26/2019 10:23 pm
Nice job Chris. Good to see more "breathing" space between the rows - - - makes relevent info stand out better.

Like it.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Martin FL on 09/26/2019 10:31 pm
That looks a lot more modern and fresh! Really like it.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ThePonjaX on 09/27/2019 03:04 am
Exists a trend to "simplify" and make the websites and applications more "white", sorry but I don't like it.
I prefer "darker" themes, I like the more contrast from the "old" theme. 
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 03:43 am
Yeah, there is always going to be, and always will be, people not happy about certain things (there's enough not happy with the old theme). However, there is work going on per a dark theme option. Remember, we've never had a dark theme, so that'll be an additional element.

Also, remember you're looking at menu and section menu. Threads have a lot more "color" to them with images etc.  It'll be a bit of a "shock to the system" for some folk to start with, but personally (and mentioned by other testers) it's really something that becomes so nice the old theme actually looks nowhere as good when switching back.

Anyway, absolutely going to be some people who hate it, but likely the same amount, or less, than those who hate the old theme. And we really had to move on from the old theme, 100 percent requirement.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Swedish chef on 09/27/2019 04:27 am
The news site style sidebar importantly allows additional revenue opportunities for the site, although you will notice we mostly use it for supporting our team members, including the rolling twitter feed (which is very useful) and only a few actual ads.

Personally i don't mind the ads, as long they are static. When they start to blink like in a discotheque i tend to block them. With that said I'm pretty sure i would not like the rolling twitter feed on the side, these sorts of things are really distracting. So if you go with them, please make it so it is easy to block them without also blocking the ads.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 09/27/2019 04:56 am
The news site style sidebar importantly allows additional revenue opportunities for the site, although you will notice we mostly use it for supporting our team members, including the rolling twitter feed (which is very useful) and only a few actual ads.

Personally i don't mind the ads, as long they are static. When they start to blink like in a discotheque i tend to block them. With that said I'm pretty sure i would not like the rolling twitter feed on the side, these sorts of things are really distracting. So if you go with them, please make it so it is easy to block them without also blocking the ads.

The Twitter feed doesn't automatically scroll, you have to put your cursor over it and manually scroll.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Longhorn John on 09/27/2019 05:23 am
Looks great!

And Chef, matching the news site means that twitter feed you see in the news site will be the same for the forum, so look on the news site to see it's actually static and you can manually scroll the feed. If Chris tweet something new you'll see it when you refresh or move to another page. It's great on the news site so it'll be great on the forum and really useful too!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 08:36 pm
T-25 mins or so
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 08:55 pm
T-5 mins. Green Board.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 09:02 pm
Live.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lee Jay on 09/27/2019 09:02 pm
I'm not seeing any issues.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: RotoSequence on 09/27/2019 09:03 pm
I'm not seeing any issues.

I do - the kerning on the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/27/2019 09:07 pm
I'm not seeing any issues.

I do - the kerning on the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

Do you have a link to that specific topic ? thanks
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: intelati on 09/27/2019 09:08 pm
I'm not seeing any issues.
the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

I've never been a fan of reading "light" fonts.

But really, I'm getting used to font as I'm typing this out...

I had a freak out when the page loaded. I like the top bar though...
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: RotoSequence on 09/27/2019 09:09 pm
I'm not seeing any issues.

I do - the kerning on the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

Do you have a link to that specific topic ? thanks

It's not post specific; all embedded quote trees make the font smaller and smaller.
The quotes in this post, as well as the linked post, show what I mean.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=45824.msg1996817#msg1996817
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: launchwatcher on 09/27/2019 09:10 pm
Too much whitespace everywhere  >:( -- please give us an option to make the layout more compact!

In the top level page, the difference in shade between "has new posts" and "doesn't have new posts" is way too subtle.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 09:10 pm
I'm not seeing any issues.
the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

I've never been a fan of reading "light" fonts.

But really, I'm getting used to font as I'm typing this out...

I had a freak out when the page loaded. I like the top bar though...

HA! Yeah, tried to warn people. I (and the team) got used to it very quickly as we've had this theme running for days to test it.

Roto with a good point on the quotes.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/27/2019 09:11 pm
I'm not seeing any issues.
the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

I've never been a fan of reading "light" fonts.

But really, I'm getting used to font as I'm typing this out...

I had a freak out when the page loaded. I like the top bar though...

HA! Yeah, tried to warn people. I (and the team) got used to it very quickly as we've had this theme running for days to test it.

Roto with a good point on the quotes.

Fix for the increasingly smaller quotes is being pushed as we speak

(this post should show up better in a minute)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 09:13 pm
Too much whitespace everywhere 

Screenshot? (adblocker on?) Right hand side will fill out as we go too and that'll really balance it. Your browser can also help with the reducing (or increasing as some may want) window size.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: RotoSequence on 09/27/2019 09:13 pm
Fix for the increasingly smaller quotes is being pushed as we speak

Thank you :)

Oxygen's regular typeface has solid kerning, but the light version's is rather bad. I think it'd be a good switch to go from light to regular.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 09:16 pm
Keep it coming guys. Remember we can fine tune as we go. :)

And remember to read the opening post. Future dev is things like dark mode, which seems to be all the rage these days.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: intelati on 09/27/2019 09:18 pm
Keep it coming guys. Remember we can fine tune as we go. :)

And remember to read the opening post. Future dev is things like dark mode, which seems to be all the rage these days.

(Honestly one of my main 'issues' with the site, so thank you)

Will make midnight updates much easier on the eyes.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: launchwatcher on 09/27/2019 09:21 pm
Too much whitespace everywhere 

Screenshot? (adblocker on?) Right hand side will fill out as we go too and that'll really balance it. Your browser can also help with the reducing (or increasing as some may want) window size.

Before and after of a specific post.   Chrome, nearly full screen window on 1920x1200 monitor.

When I make a window bigger it's because I want to see more lines, not because I want more space between the lines of text.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: RotoSequence on 09/27/2019 09:22 pm
Keep it coming guys. Remember we can fine tune as we go. :)

And remember to read the opening post. Future dev is things like dark mode, which seems to be all the rage these days.

The "new" image/link's top-side justification looks a little funny, if we want to nitpick.  ;D
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Cheapchips on 09/27/2019 09:25 pm
I don't like the mobile theme and browse in the normal theme.  It's squished and broken on a mobile device now.  It used to force a pleasant page width.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 09:25 pm
And that 30 seconds of nonsense in appearance was us pushing one of the suggestions live.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/27/2019 09:26 pm
I don't like the mobile theme and browse in the normal theme.  It's squished and broken on a mobile device now.  It used to force a pleasant plage width.

Hang in there, that's totally being worked on. The goal is to phase out the old mobile theme in favour of a responsive theme on mobile devices.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/27/2019 09:26 pm
Oxygen's regular typeface has solid kerning, but the light version's is rather bad. I think it'd be a good switch to go from light to regular.

Upped the weight a bit, thanks for the tip.. !
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: whitelancer64 on 09/27/2019 09:28 pm
Kerning is markedly improved from earlier, much easier to read. I'm getting used to the color change.

Is the "Active Discussions" main page sidebar also meant to be on the sidebar in a thread? If it's supposed to be, it's not there. Ads and Tweets are there, but not Active Discussions.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 09:29 pm
I don't like the mobile theme and browse in the normal theme.  It's squished and broken on a mobile device now.  It used to force a pleasant plage width.

I also use desktop mode on my phone (boo tapatalk). Rotate the screen horizontal! Fixes everything, for me anyway! :)

iPhone - horizontally held.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: pb2000 on 09/27/2019 09:31 pm
Until the dark theme is finished can we tone down the white a bit, my eyeballs are on fire.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 09/27/2019 09:34 pm
Well done with the facelift, LOVE IT!!

Using that dark mode once ready  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: webdan on 09/27/2019 09:37 pm
I'm tempted to agree... the right side as you scroll down is all white. Fill it out after ads/tweets, etc.

This is on a 30" monitor but showing only a half width page.

And don't worry about me, 16+ years running dynamic websites... but I'm done with that.

Still I can get used to this.

I'm not seeing any issues.
the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

I've never been a fan of reading "light" fonts.

But really, I'm getting used to font as I'm typing this out...

I had a freak out when the page loaded. I like the top bar though...

HA! Yeah, tried to warn people. I (and the team) got used to it very quickly as we've had this theme running for days to test it.

Roto with a good point on the quotes.

Fix for the increasingly smaller quotes is being pushed as we speak

(this post should show up better in a minute)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: pb2000 on 09/27/2019 09:38 pm
Not sure if its just me but words are also being cut in half on line breaks.
Li
ke
Th
is.

Browser is Edge if that helps
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: intelati on 09/27/2019 09:38 pm
One thing I noticed is that one line return is similar to just another line within the paragraph.
I could hardly tell the difference. (New line)

Then, two returns seems to expand the space between the lines something like 1.75 the line width. I think something like 1.25 would work much better.  And expand the new line to a little more than the typical line width... Sorry, my typesetting knowledge is like Zero.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: intelati on 09/27/2019 09:40 pm
Not sure if its just me but words are also being cut in half on line breaks.
Li
ke
Th
is.

Browser is Edge if that helps

Chrome works fine. Edge is confirmed

E: IE is also splitting the words
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 09/27/2019 09:41 pm
I'm tempted to agree... the right side as you scroll down is all white. Fill it out after ads/tweets, etc.

This is on a 30" monitor but showing only a half width page.

And don't worry about me, 16+ years running dynamic websites... but I'm done with that.

Still I can get used to this.

I'm not seeing any issues.
the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

I've never been a fan of reading "light" fonts.

But really, I'm getting used to font as I'm typing this out...

I had a freak out when the page loaded. I like the top bar though...

HA! Yeah, tried to warn people. I (and the team) got used to it very quickly as we've had this theme running for days to test it.

Roto with a good point on the quotes.

Fix for the increasingly smaller quotes is being pushed as we speak

(this post should show up better in a minute)

Agreed, after scrolling past the existing ads/tweets, there is a bunch of white space that is fooling with my brain lol
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: webdan on 09/27/2019 09:48 pm
True that... enough room to park a... wait for it... STARSHIP

I'm tempted to agree... the right side as you scroll down is all white. Fill it out after ads/tweets, etc.

This is on a 30" monitor but showing only a half width page.

And don't worry about me, 16+ years running dynamic websites... but I'm done with that.

Still I can get used to this.

I'm not seeing any issues.
the font is eye-strain inducing  :o

The ever shrinking fonts for embedded quote trees are no good, either.

I've never been a fan of reading "light" fonts.

But really, I'm getting used to font as I'm typing this out...

I had a freak out when the page loaded. I like the top bar though...

HA! Yeah, tried to warn people. I (and the team) got used to it very quickly as we've had this theme running for days to test it.

Roto with a good point on the quotes.

Fix for the increasingly smaller quotes is being pushed as we speak

(this post should show up better in a minute)

Agreed, after scrolling past the existing ads/tweets, there is a bunch of white space that is fooling with my brain lol
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 09:49 pm
Don't worry about the white space on the border below the last ad. More of that space will be filled (for our team etc.) as we go.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 09/27/2019 09:51 pm
Font size seems to be varying in the forum posts.

On Linux/Firefox (& Linux/Seamonkey)
OSX/Firefox does not seem to have the same font size issue.

Also, size got a lot bigger on the "active topics" link https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=activetopics
I know I can globally shrink fonts on my browser, but that effects all tabs.

-ehb.

Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Racer-rich on 09/27/2019 10:06 pm
This theme does not allow for zooming of the screen page. It makes it real hard to read the comments. Can I get back to the desktop theme as it worked great for me?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: russianhalo117 on 09/27/2019 10:10 pm
Right side of Forum is cut off when viewed in the portrait orientation (vertical) on Samsung Galaxy S7 and similar sized phones. It is fine on my work phone which is a larger sized S10.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: cartman on 09/27/2019 10:14 pm
The one thing i cant seem to get used to is the font. The old one was perfect.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: IanO on 09/27/2019 10:18 pm
The one thing i cant seem to get used to is the font. The old one was perfect.
Agreed.  I'm a big fan of serif fonts for large blocks of text, so this feels like a step back to the 80's (anyone remember OMNI magazine?)  I'm literally squinting reflexively to try to get it readable, which is starting to give me eye-strain.

(Also the kerning on the poster's name and post title are wrong. Makes it look fixed-width.  This is in the Safari browser.)

[Bona-fides: I used to work at Extensis, which gave me more sensitivity to font issues than I ever wanted.]
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 10:19 pm
Good stuff guys. The fonts are NOT set in stone. We'll keep refining.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lee Jay on 09/27/2019 10:20 pm
This theme does not allow for zooming of the screen page. It makes it real hard to read the comments. Can I get back to the desktop theme as it worked great for me?

Right side of Forum is cut off when viewed in the portrait orientation (vertical) on Samsung Galaxy S7 and similar sized phones. It is fine on my work phone which is a larger sized S10.

Yes, I agree with the above.  I can't use desktop mode (which is all I use) on my phone without the ability to zoom out and/or scroll right and left.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/27/2019 10:21 pm
This theme does not allow for zooming of the screen page. It makes it real hard to read the comments. Can I get back to the desktop theme as it worked great for me?


It does, with control + -

And for phone, it does on mine.  iphone/chrome - zoomed right in (could go further, but an example). And again, russianhalo117,  mobile is really good in *landscape* mode when in desktop mode.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49109.msg1997941#msg1997941

Anyway, zooming in example....
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 09/27/2019 10:30 pm
Control- to 90% improves the appearance immensely on my desktop Firefox setup.

I agree with IanO that a serif font would probably be better.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Dappa on 09/27/2019 10:37 pm
If there's any plans to add a dark mode, I'd love to see that soon. Right now it's so incredibly bright, and it gets uncomfortable at night.

Other than that I generally like the change, it's sleek and larger text is more comfortable to read.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: russianhalo117 on 09/27/2019 10:38 pm
If there's any plans to add a dark mode, I'd love to see that soon. Right now it's so incredibly bright, and it gets uncomfortable at night.

Other than that I generally like the change, it's sleek and larger text is more comfortable to read.
It is in the works if you read near the beginning of the thread.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Dappa on 09/27/2019 10:42 pm
If there's any plans to add a dark mode, I'd love to see that soon. Right now it's so incredibly bright, and it gets uncomfortable at night.

Other than that I generally like the change, it's sleek and larger text is more comfortable to read.
It is in the works if you read near the beginning of the thread.
Yep I read it, and looking back it doesn't show in my reply. Most importantly, I just wanted to voice my support for a darker theme.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: 1 on 09/27/2019 10:45 pm
Not sure if its just me but words are also being cut in half on line breaks.
Li
ke
Th
is.

Browser is Edge if that helps

Chrome works fine. Edge is confirmed

E: IE is also splitting the words

Confirmed on FireFox. Now, full discolosure, I'm using an old build (52.6 ESR) but text wrapping wasn't an issue before. 

Count me in with the crowd who find the white space quite jarring, but knowing that there's a dark theme on the way I'm content to wait for it. That said, If I'm doing my element inspection properly, then it appears that the background of the main page is actually a slightly darker shade of gray than the forum pages, and I think the extra contrast helps.  Perhaps, in the interim, darken the forum background slightly?

Regardless of personal preferences, I think we can all appreciate the efforts of those attempting to improve the site; so my thanks to all involved.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lee Jay on 09/27/2019 10:48 pm
And for phone, it does on mine.  iphone/chrome - zoomed right in ...

It won't zoom OUT on mobile, and it won't scroll/drag either, which means the right side of the page is not visible.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: armchairfan on 09/27/2019 10:57 pm
Good stuff guys. The fonts are NOT set in stone. We'll keep refining.
I'm running current OSX/Safari.
The font used for the author and thread title is seriously ugly. So much so that my immediate reaction was that my browser must be trying to render a font that it doesn't fully understand. However, screenshots from others, including your 'Screenshot 2019-09-27 at 22.31.39.png', show that it's not just me. IMO, one big problem with this font is the excessive space between adjacent characters.
The appearance improves if this is reduced. (though I still prefer the old font). I've tried to illustrate the point by pixel copying and pasting letters. (See attachment.) Current version is on the left, reduced space version is on the right. Perhaps there's a kerning setting to control this?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: FlattestEarth on 09/27/2019 10:59 pm
Sidebar/ads are very intrusive on a 1280x800 tablet.  Can't zoom or pan them away.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: fortynineundefeated on 09/27/2019 11:18 pm
The right hand bar is way too big, it squeezes the actual content way too much. It would be nice if we had the ability to toggle off the sidebar and ads for L2 users.

Between the sidebar and extra side padding, the content of the page is less than 25% at page load on an iPad.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/27/2019 11:35 pm
Using a fancy-ish webfont for the NSF Front Page and stories? Fine branding, solid use of typography.
For the forums? Not as clever. This new typeface is beautiful, but more difficult to scan in table layouts with small text.

Clean, adornment-free sans serif typefaces, like Helvetica, exist for a reason. This is a significant regression for the NSF Forums.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Blackjax on 09/27/2019 11:38 pm
This theme does not allow for zooming of the screen page. It makes it real hard to read the comments. Can I get back to the desktop theme as it worked great for me?

I'd like to second the request to bring the ability to zoom in and out back.  I read in chrome on an android tablet and the zoom let me get the text to a size that was comfortable.  With the current theme I am stuck with a one size fits all font size.  The other issue with this is that on a touch screen it is tricky to pick a page number or the next/previous links on a thread with multiple pages when everything is zoomed out and the links are tiny.  On the old site I'd just quickly zoom in on those links and then it was easy to touch the specific one I needed.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/27/2019 11:40 pm
before/after
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/27/2019 11:54 pm
FWIW I find the new, responsive layout to be perfect on mobile, with fast and seamless relayout moving between portrait and landscape. Such an improvement over the previous desktop theme. Well done, all.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/28/2019 12:17 am
Ok, great feedback guys. Mark is in sleepy land until the morning his time, so don't think we're ignoring anything.

Fonts - will improve. Saturday.

Dark mode - was always on the list.

Lots of white....as noted, that's going to be reduced natually and we'll look at overall.

Mobile - we're really aiming to have a dedicated version for that. Remember to read the thread for tips on helping anyway.

Right border. Before it was just too small to be of any use to the site. I promise you most of you will get used to it (based on being on this theme myself - as the team has - for over a week). One note, I see a crap ad on one screenshot about car washes. We'll make sure we're refined enough or further as that was never the aim of that ad spot.

--

I have a few other ideas based on the feedback, but want to speak to Mark first before promising anything.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: launchwatcher on 09/28/2019 12:36 am
Here's a quirky/distracting issue with the current font:  on Chrome on a linux desktop the S renders maybe a pixel taller than other capital letters:


Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mlindner on 09/28/2019 12:48 am
I'm sorry but this is bloody awful. The entire right side of the website is blank and isn't even centered. Additionally, instead of a good readable font, it's now horrible thin font that is hard to read.

Edit: I've found a fix for the huge empty right space. If you use any of the adblock variants you can add this rule to delete the section and make the forum full width on the screen and correctly centered.


! 9/27/2019 https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com
forum.nasaspaceflight.com##.nsfwrapper_tower
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Martin FL on 09/28/2019 12:50 am
Looks great! Much better than the old theme which was very tired. Yeah, I'd beef up the font a bit, or go to what it was before, but really love the more useful right bar. The twitter feed in view is excellent.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Martin FL on 09/28/2019 12:51 am
Additionally, instead of a good readable font, it's now horrible thin font that is hard to read.

Read the thread! :) Chris already said they will work on the font.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mlindner on 09/28/2019 12:57 am

Right border. Before it was just too small to be of any use to the site. I promise you most of you will get used to it (based on being on this theme myself - as the team has - for over a week). One note, I see a crap ad on one screenshot about car washes. We'll make sure we're refined enough or further as that was never the aim of that ad spot.

Strongly disagree. Don't turn this into a mess of ads like every other modern site. It was a perfect size before.

Edit: Sidebar ads is a thing from legacy site designs of a decade ago. Nowadays they use in-line ads (for example fake forum posts) or banner ads or bottom bar ads. Especially if you're viewing on a cell phone, sidebar ads are horrendous because of the vertical orientation (people do not browse in landscape mode on a modern smartphone unless they're forced to by a broken site).
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/28/2019 01:06 am
Chris, while you're looking into fixes I noticed the NSF logo in the upper-left is not displaying, for forum pages, in Safari 13 both mobile and desktop, fyi.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Nomadd on 09/28/2019 01:13 am
 Firefox isn't too happy yet, but the sizing of the pics when you click on them is definitely a major improvement.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: madebyhumans on 09/28/2019 01:23 am
Nice job overall with the new theme!

A small stylistic nit on the subject list pages, where the text in the table rows is right up against the left side of the table (screenshot attached).

This does the trick  :)

td.subject > div {
  padding-left: 5px; //0.3em
}
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mlindner on 09/28/2019 01:23 am
Firefox isn't too happy yet, but the sizing of the pics when you click on them is definitely a major improvement.

Just noticed that, yes that is definitely an improvement. Pretty much everything else is worse though, in terms of legibility, even if the UI is a bit more "modern".
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/28/2019 01:41 am

Strongly disagree. Don't turn this into a mess of ads like every other modern site. It was a perfect size before.


It was not the perfect size before. The size now is one of the industry standards (actually, could have gone larger, but this 15 percent of so, which is still small, use of the border at least makes it viable for the site. After all, my job is the site's survival and growth. Now, as much as some people are going to do what they do on other threads and attempt to dominate this thread with "I don't like it!" (noting we've had thousands of people through the site since the update and this feedback thread is actually really encouraging as much as we're totally taking advice on things like the font and such), I have already said that I'm looking at some options - for example - L2 members on the ad options. Leave that with me.

However, and this was also stressed (and missed) the ads are not like every other site, far from it.  Our ad usage will be mostly for our team, very on topic, the twitter feed is not an ad, it's a very useful resource. All but two spaces will be very, very specific to this site. The other two make it viable for having EM Drive threads with millions of views and no one running around in there being a L2 member, and never leaving the New Physics section. That's just a free lunch for them, at least this way they get to enjoy the site and contribute a little via the way we use the border. That's not you, totally know that, but as noted we'll find additional balance and options for people like you who have already done their bit to help the site.

That's the balance. First, we had to do this. Next we fine tune (this weekend). Then we look to create those additional options.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Keldor on 09/28/2019 03:24 am
Pinch zooming doesn't seem to be functional on most of the forum pages.  This is annoying when you're trying to hit that tiny number to go to the most recent page of a thread.

Speaking of which, why doesn't the board overview page showing all the threads have a button for "Last" to bring you straight to the last page of a given thread?  The "Next" button just dumps you specifically on page 2, and who needs that?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: George CA on 09/28/2019 03:42 am
Awesome in desktop. Mobile, as much as it's said that will be a work in progress, it's actually great in landscape/horizontal. Used to be Portrait for me, but now actually like typing on the bigger landscape keyboard, so that's all great. That's my feedback anyway. Sure, slightly better font would be a good idea.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ThePonjaX on 09/28/2019 03:55 am
Hi Guys, I have a problem in my mobile. Android, version 7. I can't zoom the forum pages anymore. I have tried restarting the mobile and cleaning the cache data but no luck.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: catdlr on 09/28/2019 04:19 am
The page delivery is lightening fast now.  Good job.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: penguin44 on 09/28/2019 05:30 am
Page delivery is fast, however I will also echo earlier comments about the pinch zoom not functioning. This is a feature I like as it allows those of us with bad eyes to read pages. Increasing the font sizes doesn't always help.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: DatUser14 on 09/28/2019 05:34 am
lots of white space on the right margin. Don't know if its because my resolution is large (1660x1050) or not. I also don't like the font, I find it difficult to read. Is there a way to change it in my profile?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: catdlr on 09/28/2019 06:05 am
lots of white space on the right margin. Don't know if its because my resolution is large (1660x1050) or not. I also don't like the font, I find it difficult to read. Is there a way to change it in my profile?

Thats because yo have an add blocker on.  Temporarily turn it off and you'll see why your getting that format.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: catdlr on 09/28/2019 06:06 am
Page delivery is fast, however I will also echo earlier comments about the pinch zoom not functioning. This is a feature I like as it allows those of us with bad eyes to read pages. Increasing the font sizes doesn't always help.

I agree with your comment on about the pinch zoom not functioning.  I too had to get my glasses out to read the thread contents on the web site.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Cheapchips on 09/28/2019 06:21 am
I don't like the mobile theme and browse in the normal theme.  It's squished and broken on a mobile device now.  It used to force a pleasant plage width.

I also use desktop mode on my phone (boo tapatalk). Rotate the screen horizontal! Fixes everything, for me anyway! :)

iPhone - horizontally held.
Horizontal is not entirely convenient.  :)

I'm using Chrome on Android and using force desktop takes it to a reasonable text size.  Still a bit oversized compared to the old version.

Do love the new design and hope not to come across as a wingepot.  :)  Looking forward to trying new mobile theme and darkmode.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Stan Black on 09/28/2019 06:56 am
Safari on a Macbook.

I often post using tables, but they are now being squashed up; and a single piece of information is split across two lines. Is there a method of doing fixed width in table, with scroll bars, or should I use the teletype option?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Hobbes-22 on 09/28/2019 07:46 am
Not sure if its just me but words are also being cut in half on line breaks.
Li
ke
Th
is.

Browser is Edge if that helps

Same for me in Pale Moon 27.0.1 Mac.  But Firefox 69.0 Mac does the line breaks correctly.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/28/2019 10:11 am
Trimmed a couple of repeats, to keep the feebback clear for actions. Feedback is being acted on by the webmaster.

Increased margin on message index.
Decreased margin around ads.

Zoom/Pinch - in work.

Then fonts!

Then some other items.

Screenshot to show the content/ad margin:
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: woods170 on 09/28/2019 12:35 pm
Trimmed a couple of repeats, to keep the feebback clear for actions. Feedback is being acted on by the webmaster.

Increased margin on message index.
Decreased margin around ads.

Zoom/Pinch - in work.

Then fonts!

Then some other items.

Screenshot to show the content/ad margin:

Above all: fix the fonts please. Too thin, too small. Hurts my eyes.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/28/2019 12:36 pm
As noted. There's literally no reason to keep saying it. ;D
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: eeergo on 09/28/2019 02:05 pm
The main forum page, desktop version, appears squished and only partly visible (no lateral scrolling possible) in my phone. Mosly fixed if I flip the phone horizontal, but I usually like to keep it vertical. Previously it was just small but I could navigate and zoom where I wanted.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dougkeenan on 09/28/2019 02:07 pm
Thank you Chris!  The work involved is appreciated.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: DaveS on 09/28/2019 02:20 pm
Has the auto-reloading of the index page been disabled? FYI, ad-blocking is disabled here so that can be ruled out, browser is FireFox Quantum v69.0.1, x64.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/28/2019 02:58 pm
I'm currently working on reverting (some of) the parts of the forum to the old font which was much easier to read according to many (We hear you ;-). This wil be finished today or tomorrow.

Also we've tweaked a lot of padding, margin, scaling issues and put some efforts in further improving the mobile experience with the new theme. Attached some screenshots of the direction we are heading.

Mark
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Nomadd on 09/28/2019 05:38 pm
 I can no longer get the home page on my phone or laptop. Just the forum page. Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/28/2019 05:40 pm
I can no longer get the home page on my phone or laptop. Just the forum page. Did I miss something?

By the logo in the top-left? The image is missing for me, but the text still shows and link works.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/28/2019 05:44 pm
While the team is collecting feedback and suggestions here, allow me to offer this quality-of-forum-life improvement:

The "Home / Help / Unread Topics / Search /..." bar at the top of each page? Please repeat it at the bottom of every page as well.

The Unread Topics link, especially, is frequently used by me and I suspect many others. Making it more readily accessible == easy win.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Nomadd on 09/28/2019 06:28 pm
I can no longer get the home page on my phone or laptop. Just the forum page. Did I miss something?

By the logo in the top-left? The image is missing for me, but the text still shows and link works.
OK. The logo works. It's just the "home" button under it that takes me to the forum page instead of the main page.
 Did the home button get reassigned?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 09/28/2019 06:36 pm
I can no longer get the home page on my phone or laptop. Just the forum page. Did I miss something?

By the logo in the top-left? The image is missing for me, but the text still shows and link works.
OK. The logo works. It's just the "home" button under it that takes me to the forum page instead of the main page.
 Did the home button get reassigned?

There were two home buttons before that took you to different places, one of them went away.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mlindner on 09/28/2019 06:37 pm
Trimmed a couple of repeats, to keep the feebback clear for actions. Feedback is being acted on by the webmaster.

Increased margin on message index.
Decreased margin around ads.

Zoom/Pinch - in work.

Then fonts!

Then some other items.

Screenshot to show the content/ad margin:

That screenshot is definitely not what I see. You deleted my post with my screenshot, hopefully you saw it and "NSF Webmaster" saw it.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: edzieba on 09/28/2019 06:53 pm
I'll also jump on the too much white(space) bandwagon. 21:9 often trips a lot of 'responsive' site layouts up (that assume a screen will never be more than 1920 pixels wide), but with a white background it also turns the monitor into a ceiling lighting panel pointed at your face.
(https://i.imgur.com/LqpgGAx.jpg)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/28/2019 08:26 pm
I'll also jump on the too much white(space) bandwagon. 21:9 often trips a lot of 'responsive' site layouts up (that assume a screen will never be more than 1920 pixels wide), but with a white background it also turns the monitor into a ceiling lighting panel pointed at your face.

Heheh, yes it does. Hey, for everyone wanting dark mode across sites that don't (yet) support it, there are several browser extensions that will do the job. I use "Dark Mode" in Safari and one called "Dark Background and Light Text" in Firefox, and assume that similar must exist for Chrome.

Edzieba, this will definitely solve your problem.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/28/2019 10:40 pm
We just did an update to revert some of the fonts (especially the posts) back to the "older" one which should restore the readability. Also the mobile experience should be much improved now.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: xyv on 09/28/2019 10:41 pm
Not sure if its just me but words are also being cut in half on line breaks.
Li
ke
Th
is.

Browser is Edge if that helps

Same for me in Pale Moon 27.0.1 Mac.  But Firefox 69.0 Mac does the line breaks correctly.

Same issue with Firefox - I am stuck at 52.9.0 due to an XP operating system.  Funny thing is if I switch the view/text-encoding/ to and from western, it briefly removes the white space and seems to function.  Text wrapping is bad enough that some long user names get cut and wrapped funny.  There must be a way to make text wrap correctly.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/28/2019 10:43 pm
Not sure if its just me but words are also being cut in half on line breaks.
Li
ke
Th
is.

Browser is Edge if that helps

Same for me in Pale Moon 27.0.1 Mac.  But Firefox 69.0 Mac does the line breaks correctly.

Same issue with Firefox - I am stuck at 52.9.0 due to an XP operating system.  Funny thing is if I switch the view/text-encoding/ to and from western, it briefly removes the white space and seems to function.  Text wrapping is bad enough that some long user names get cut and wrapped funny.  There must be a way to make text wrap correctly.

Just for my reference, can you post a screenshot ?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: tyrred on 09/28/2019 10:52 pm
Really enjoying the full site on mobile (Chrome on Android) now.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: AnalogMan on 09/28/2019 10:57 pm
Just for my reference, can you post a screenshot ?

I have the same line wrapping problem - see screen shot showing chopped words at line ends.

(also Firefox 52.9.0 - best available under Vista)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: LucR on 09/28/2019 11:51 pm
Actual web developer here.

The reason for the weird word breaks in IE and Edge is a missing -ms-word-break: break-word override (there is a word-break: break-word override) under the .post-wrapper, .core-posts rule.

(Please delete this post if not appropriate, but pass it on to Mark!)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mlindner on 09/29/2019 12:55 am
We just did an update to revert some of the fonts (especially the posts) back to the "older" one which should restore the readability. Also the mobile experience should be much improved now.

I haven't seen any font changes from this change. It still looks unchanged. I think it's the font kerning that's the problem. All the words have all the characters wierdly offset left or right just slightly which makes reading them much more difficult. On Mac OS X Chrome.

Edit: I believe I've found why things look wrong/weird. All text on the NSF website seems to have shut off subpixel anti-aliasing on the fonts. This makes all the ext look blockier, and harder to read. This includes on the main news site. Please re-enable subpixel anti-aliasing.

Edit2: Added images.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: penguin44 on 09/29/2019 05:11 am
Thank you for the restoration of the zoom functionality
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Pete on 09/29/2019 06:09 am
Right now (06:00 UTC, 29 sep)..

I can finally read the forum again. The fonts actually form words, not blurry headaches.
Even the color makes sense, mostly.

Thanx. This is great.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Phillip Clark on 09/29/2019 11:29 am
I see that the new layout has been receiving a great deal of support which is great.,

But for me the light grey text against a white background makes the Forum impossible to read.   So I will have to leave the Forum rather than continue strain my one partially-working eye.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Blackjax on 09/29/2019 12:41 pm
Thank you for the restoration of the zoom functionality

Just FYI still not zooming on chrome on android.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 09/29/2019 02:03 pm
Thank you for the restoration of the zoom functionality

Just FYI still not zooming on chrome on android.
Just tested - forum zoom not working on Android/Firefox ... which means I pretty much have to find a stylus to change a page ([1 ... 14 15 16] Next). [edit - I always use "full site" mode on Android]

Varying font size in the forum post text seems resolved, however -
Linux/Firefox  has the forum quote header is a much larger font ten the rest - see image  (oddly, not an issue with   OSX/Firefox and Android/Firefox).

Wrapping lines by arbitrarily breaking up words seems an issue with Android/Firefox and Linux/Seamonkey (see attached screenshot form Linux/Seamonkey where I have my own "dark mode"  by browser color overrides) - (does not occur on Linux/Firefox & OSX/Firefox - my Android/Firefox is likely an older version - but low memory on my tablet so avoiding updates).



Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 09/29/2019 02:10 pm
Not sure I like the new site design but I’ll get used to it.  I do see a recurring issue with page elements not rendering properly on Safari (iPad OS 13.1). I believe I saw the same issues last night on my Windows machine with Chrome.

It’s been an adventure trying to post screen shots to demonstrate since those editor elements aren’t rendering correctly either.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/29/2019 02:11 pm
Weird. Fine here.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Scylla on 09/29/2019 02:37 pm
Skimmed thread and didn't see this problem mentioned. Could have missed it.
My device, uses Android, shows pictures in threads fine but not videos.
Picture 1, video has right side cut off.
Picture 2, can slide left, but left side is now cut off.
Picture 3, turning device sideways can see full video.
Have seen talk about enlarging/minimizing whats on screen and I can no longer do that.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: intrepidpursuit on 09/29/2019 03:16 pm
Loving the update you guys! The font is much more readable to me and I got used to it fast.

For me though, certain text is showing up as white on white. I checked to make sure I don't have any extensions that might be messing with it, but I can't see what page I'm on and various other things. Here is a screenshot. Is it just me?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/29/2019 03:19 pm
Loving the update you guys! The font is much more readable to me and I got used to it fast.

For me though, certain text is showing up as white on white. I checked to make sure I don't have any extensions that might be messing with it, but I can't see what page I'm on and various other things. Here is a screenshot. Is it just me?

Thanks and thanks to all for the continued feedback - it's all getting noted, be rest assured.

Per the above. Page numbers and Likes have a "white on white" style issue. (Again, fine for most - so note your browser/device to see if there's commonality on one particular item)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 09/29/2019 04:26 pm
Quote
Thanks and thanks to all for the continued feedback - it's all getting noted, be rest assured.

Per the above. Page numbers and Likes have a "white on white" style issue. (Again, fine for most - so note your browser/device to see if there's commonality on one particular item)

Yeah, as per my prior post this morning, I see the same thing in Chrome on Win10.

Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/29/2019 04:29 pm
Quote
Thanks and thanks to all for the continued feedback - it's all getting noted, be rest assured.

Per the above. Page numbers and Likes have a "white on white" style issue. (Again, fine for most - so note your browser/device to see if there's commonality on one particular item)

Yeah, as per my prior post this morning, I see the same thing in Chrome on Win10.



Can I ask....if you click on where "1" and "4" etc.....the "missing" page numbers, does it work. I.e. everything's there, it's just for some reason they are white on white and invisible as a result, as some people have said?

(And I'm on Chrome, Win 10 - so.....anyway, we'll get to the bottom of it for you)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: GWR64 on 09/29/2019 04:30 pm
What happened to the numbers? go up and down
6 above 4 below, 2 and 0 small, 5 and 3 larger
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/29/2019 04:31 pm
What happened to the numbers? go up and down
6 above 4 below, 2 and 0 small, 5 and 3 larger

Don't know, but it'll be fixed.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/29/2019 04:42 pm
Quote
Thanks and thanks to all for the continued feedback - it's all getting noted, be rest assured.

Per the above. Page numbers and Likes have a "white on white" style issue. (Again, fine for most - so note your browser/device to see if there's commonality on one particular item)

Yeah, as per my prior post this morning, I see the same thing in Chrome on Win10.



Can I ask....if you click on where "1" and "4" etc.....the "missing" page numbers, does it work. I.e. everything's there, it's just for some reason they are white on white and invisible as a result, as some people have said?

(And I'm on Chrome, Win 10 - so.....anyway, we'll get to the bottom of it for you)

I was hitting this on both desktop and mobile Safari last night. As of this morning it is now fixed.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: CrazyHorse80 on 09/29/2019 06:56 pm
Quote
Thanks and thanks to all for the continued feedback - it's all getting noted, be rest assured.

Per the above. Page numbers and Likes have a "white on white" style issue. (Again, fine for most - so note your browser/device to see if there's commonality on one particular item)

Yeah, as per my prior post this morning, I see the same thing in Chrome on Win10.



Can I ask....if you click on where "1" and "4" etc.....the "missing" page numbers, does it work. I.e. everything's there, it's just for some reason they are white on white and invisible as a result, as some people have said?

(And I'm on Chrome, Win 10 - so.....anyway, we'll get to the bottom of it for you)

I'm on Chrome + Win10 and I see those text white on white: the text is there and if I click it it works, but I can't see it 'cause it's the same color of background...
+1 waiting for the dark mode (I read the forums mostly by night).
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/29/2019 08:31 pm
Fixes for the page numbers and other "disappearing" features are live now, together with some other fixes for padding, margin and alignment in (for example) PM screens.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/29/2019 08:50 pm
I see that the new layout has been receiving a great deal of support which is great.,

But for me the light grey text against a white background makes the Forum impossible to read.   So I will have to leave the Forum rather than continue strain my one partially-working eye.

Sent you an e-mail with a preview of a potential solution.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 09/30/2019 12:48 am
Can I ask....if you click on where "1" and "4" etc.....the "missing" page numbers, does it work. I.e. everything's there, it's just for some reason they are white on white and invisible as a result, as some people have said?

(And I'm on Chrome, Win 10 - so.....anyway, we'll get to the bottom of it for you)

Hi Chris - sorry for the late reply, I was away from my computer most of the afternoon and evening until now. I could try to click-drag with my mouse over the missing elements and they would appear (like the spoiler tags on some forums). I don't know if they were click-able when invisible, as I did not try.

However, as of tonight, on Chrome under Win10, all the elements appear to be visible in both the ordinary forum/thread views and in the post editor. I will check later in Safari on iPad OS and confirm that platform as well.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lee Jay on 09/30/2019 03:15 am
We just did an update to revert some of the fonts (especially the posts) back to the "older" one which should restore the readability. Also the mobile experience should be much improved now.

It is, but I've always found the forum here exceptionally hard to follow because of the lack of this link at the top.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=unreadreplies (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=unreadreplies)

To me the unread topics link is entirely useless because of the speed at which most of the forums move.  Miss a day, hit the button, see hundreds of topics. The link above is only to topics in which you've participated.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Hog on 09/30/2019 04:14 am
Was there not a way to look up other members names?  It's handy to locate historic posts.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: catdlr on 09/30/2019 04:32 am
Was there not a way to look up other members names?  It's handy to locate historic posts.

Yea, what happen to that?  The forum Help pages still indicates that option is available.

https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Main_menu
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 09/30/2019 05:32 am
We just did an update to revert some of the fonts (especially the posts) back to the "older" one which should restore the readability. Also the mobile experience should be much improved now.

It is, but I've always found the forum here exceptionally hard to follow because of the lack of this link at the top.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=unreadreplies (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=unreadreplies)

To me the unread topics link is entirely useless because of the speed at which most of the forums move.  Miss a day, hit the button, see hundreds of topics. The link above is only to topics in which you've participated.

This is a revelation – thank you very much for sharing!
Agree that this should be more visible/accessible.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/30/2019 11:53 am
Was there not a way to look up other members names?  It's handy to locate historic posts.

I see it, so it's still there, but the permission for non mods/admin will have reverted via the theme change. I'm sure we will be able to get that back for you all. :) Will pass it on.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/30/2019 12:22 pm
Has the auto-reloading of the index page been disabled? FYI, ad-blocking is disabled here so that can be ruled out, browser is FireFox Quantum v69.0.1, x64.

Yes, Dave. I brought that up with the team when I noticed it and all but myself said they prefer no refresh. Also I think refresh scripts are now seen as a bad thing per the ever-growing list of dos and donts on the internet. Because I like having one screen refreshing the index/menu automatically every 10 mins, I added this add-on to Chrome and set it for 10 mins.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/auto-refresh/ifooldnmmcmlbdennkpdnlnbgbmfalko?hl=en - it's free and works very well.

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Dark mode optoon being developed.

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The wacky number 4 being out of line in usernames, known, passed on.

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Some line breaking for a few people, known - asking those who have mentioned it to provide device/OS/Browser. One mentioned firefox and that browser will provide more detaills, os please post the above details here for troublshooting.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: JRB2 on 09/30/2019 12:26 pm
I also have the line/word breaking with Windows 7.

Jim

To add: PC is a Dell desktop and using Internet Explorer.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 09/30/2019 12:27 pm
I also have the line/word breaking with Windows 7.

Jim

Device (I guess PC) and most importantly browser, please.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Navier–Stokes on 09/30/2019 01:40 pm
There's a lot of white space for me to the right on the mobile unread posts page. Also, the topic icons seem rather small.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: wjbarnett on 09/30/2019 02:32 pm
There's a lot of white space for me to the right on the mobile unread posts page. Also, the topic icons seem rather small.
This one is really minor, but the "new" button following each forum's title is going to vertical top, rather than the more pleasing vertically centered. See Navier's screenshot. Also on Firefox 69.0.1 on Windows10
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 09/30/2019 02:52 pm
Just a quick follow-up to my posts yesterday - on iPad OS 13.1, all forum thread elements are properly visible again, as are all the usual elements in the full editor. Thanks for fixing these issues! :)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Welsh Dragon on 09/30/2019 03:36 pm
It might not be possible within the board software, but it would be great if it was possible to have an optional more 'compact' layout of the forum main page, more like the old board. The humongous line spacing, font sizes, and spaces between sections are just wearing out my scroll wheel, I can only see 9-10 sections even on full screen. That's with running a perfectly reasonable 1920x1080 on a 21.5" monitor.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: eeergo on 09/30/2019 04:09 pm
When in my phone (Samsung A5, with both the Samsung browser and Chrome), the main forum page doesn't display the "new message / read messages" to the left of each subforum as it does in my computer, obviously going for the "full site" version instead of TapaTalk.

As such, I have to check the date/time of the last post in that subforum in order to check if something new was posted, which is very inconvenient (and I'm guessing not intended, since the desktop view keeps it visible).
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/30/2019 04:33 pm
When in my phone (Samsung A5, with both the Samsung browser and Chrome), the main forum page doesn't display the "new message / read messages" to the left of each subforum as it does in my computer, obviously going for the "full site" version instead of TapaTalk.

As such, I have to check the date/time of the last post in that subforum in order to check if something new was posted, which is very inconvenient (and I'm guessing not intended, since the desktop view keeps it visible).


Actually it was intended ;-) to save space in mobile views but rest assured, it will be back but in another form that matches the screen size better

Mark
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Arb on 09/30/2019 08:39 pm
It might not be possible within the board software, but it would be great if it was possible to have an optional more 'compact' layout of the forum main page, more like the old board. The humongous line spacing, font sizes, and spaces between sections are just wearing out my scroll wheel, I can only see 9-10 sections even on full screen. That's with running a perfectly reasonable 1920x1080 on a 21.5" monitor.
Concur.

It's even worse when using 150% zoom as some of us with tired old eyes do.

And the banner ad at the top doesn't help (has to be scrolled past on every single page) but it must do wonders for the budget so consider this paragraph for info (in case it's not obvious) not a complaint.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 09/30/2019 11:35 pm
It might not be possible within the board software, but it would be great if it was possible to have an optional more 'compact' layout of the forum main page, more like the old board. The humongous line spacing, font sizes, and spaces between sections are just wearing out my scroll wheel, I can only see 9-10 sections even on full screen. That's with running a perfectly reasonable 1920x1080 on a 21.5" monitor.
Concur.

It's even worse when using 150% zoom as some of us with tired old eyes do.

And the banner ad at the top doesn't help (has to be scrolled past on every single page) but it must do wonders for the budget so consider this paragraph for info (in case it's not obvious) not a complaint.

The max width of the page is also on my list as several people already made this same comment. Thanks for reporting
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Blackjax on 10/01/2019 12:01 am
If anyone else has been suffering due to the lack of zoom, I found a workaround:

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-force-zoom-in-android/
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: GWR64 on 10/01/2019 09:13 am
What happened to the numbers? go up and down
6 above 4 below, 2 and 0 small, 5 and 3 larger

Don't know, but it'll be fixed.

It's the Raleway-font. https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Raleway
Very strange font  ???
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Crispy on 10/01/2019 09:17 am
This one is really minor, but the "new" button following each forum's title is going to vertical top, rather than the more pleasing vertically centered. See Navier's screenshot. Also on Firefox 69.0.1 on Windows10
I'd prefer the New button to be larger and maybe even moved to a consistent position. 95% of the time it's the thing I click to enter a thread (I've already read the OP - I don't want to read it again!)

Other forums I'm on actually make this "New" behaviour the default when clicking on a thread title, but that might cause uproar...
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Semmel on 10/01/2019 09:44 am
After using it for a few days, it feels better. I was a bit confused in the beginning because the secions dont pop out as nicely any more and it takes a bit more concentration to see which subsections have new posts.

Also, maybe a suggestion. Could you make the L2 section with an orange background theme? I think this would work nicely with the blue and it would help the memory to visually associate information with color. This would help me at least to sort public from non-public information inside my brain.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lar on 10/01/2019 02:48 pm
Edit: I've found a fix for the huge empty right space. If you use any of the adblock variants you can add this rule to delete the section and make the forum full width on the screen and correctly centered.
<snip rule>
I am not too keen on posting things to defeat the layout of the site.

The site needs revenue to survive. I stopped running my adblocker here for that reason. And I discovered that I've been missing out on the tweetstream which is a really nice feature that was being hidden.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/01/2019 02:54 pm
Edit: I've found a fix for the huge empty right space. If you use any of the adblock variants you can add this rule to delete the section and make the forum full width on the screen and correctly centered.
<snip rule>
I am not too keen on posting things to defeat the layout of the site.

The site needs revenue to survive. I stopped running my adblocker here for that reason. And I discovered that I've been missing out on the tweetstream which is a really nice feature that was being hidden.


Yeah, there's clearly a HUGE amount of people using adblocker on NSF which we'll need to evaluate. All they have to do is whitelist NSF.

L2 members - fine with that as they've already supported the site (but they'll be missing out on very useful elements of the right hand side, like the Twitter feed and more to come). The hoards of people on the New Physics section - for example - who never leave that section and have no interest in the primary subject field of this site - but run around using the bandwidth all day with their adblockers on? Yeah, scallywags and we'll evalaute once we've got a few weeks of data on who's using adblocker, where and so on.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/01/2019 03:46 pm
I'm not seeing the Twitter feed in the right sidebar, just a link.  I used to have platform.twitter.com blocked, but I unblocked that (and have even rebooted since) but this image shows all that I'm seeing.

Edit to add: I'm using Firefox 69.0.1 on Windows 10 1809.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Johnnyhinbos on 10/01/2019 03:47 pm
Would it be possible to put the banner ad above the menu?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 10/01/2019 04:56 pm
I'm not seeing the Twitter feed in the right sidebar, just a link.  I used to have platform.twitter.com blocked, but I unblocked that (and have even rebooted since) but this image shows all that I'm seeing.

Edit to add: I'm using Firefox 69.0.1 on Windows 10 1809.

I got this behavior if "Twitter Button" is blocked in Ghostery, and don't see anything about the Twitter feed if "Block Social Media Icons Tracking" is selected in Adblock Plus.  It will be some setting on whichever adblocker(s) you're using.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/01/2019 05:00 pm
Yeah, that's an adblocker, Ken.

You should be seeing this:
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/01/2019 08:12 pm
Yeah, that's an adblocker, Ken.

You should be seeing this:
I have an adblocker, but I do NOT use any of the supplied adblocking lists.  I use only my own custom list.  There is nothing related to Twitter being blocked, and uBlock Origin doesn't show anything being blocked when I'm on the site.

platform.twitter.com was being blocked through the hosts file.  I commented out that line.  ping platform.twitter.com successfully pings the real platform.twitter.com IP address.

Is there any host other than platform.twitter.com involved, particularly anything not at twitter.com?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/01/2019 08:15 pm
Which brings me to another point. Going forward I think we'd like a profile option for L2 members that not only removes the ads, but provides a theme to replace the white border (that would result from "just" adblocker) with functional forum space. It's certainly on the list.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/01/2019 08:33 pm
Yeah, that's an adblocker, Ken.

You should be seeing this:
I have an adblocker, but I do NOT use any of the supplied adblocking lists.  I use only my own custom list.  There is nothing related to Twitter being blocked, and uBlock Origin doesn't show anything being blocked when I'm on the site.

platform.twitter.com was being blocked through the hosts file.  I commented out that line.  ping platform.twitter.com successfully pings the real platform.twitter.com IP address.

Is there any host other than platform.twitter.com involved, particularly anything not at twitter.com?

It turned out to be Firefox's Tracker blocking.  With an exception created for this site, the Twitter feed now appears.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: catdlr on 10/02/2019 03:34 am
Which brings me to another point. Going forward I think we'd like a profile option for L2 members that not only removes the ads, but provides a theme to replace the white border (that would result from "just" adblocker) with functional forum space. It's certainly on the list.

Consider an option to allow regulars members to purchase an option to eliminate ads, provide full screen text, that is not as expensive as an L2 membership.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/02/2019 04:39 am
Gah, totally ruined usability for me. IOS. Running in the non-tapatalk “desktop” mode, it fits everything to my screen width and doesn’t let me zoom out and see the website like it did before. It now looks all zoomed in like this, and rotating my phone doesn’t really help much. Fix this!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Justin Space on 10/02/2019 04:01 pm
I know this thread is feedback for people with some issues and it doesn't look like a lot of people so that's good, but I have to say I love the changes. Really feels like a massive step up!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lar on 10/02/2019 04:07 pm
Gah, totally ruined usability for me. IOS. Running in the non-tapatalk “desktop” mode, it fits everything to my screen width and doesn’t let me zoom out and see the website like it did before. It now looks all zoomed in like this, and rotating my phone doesn’t really help much. Fix this!
AIUI there is still work happening on the mobile side, keep reporting issues but being patient might be a good approach.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/02/2019 04:14 pm
I don't know if it's directly related to the changes being discussed here or not, but I like the way that Twitter links are now being handled.

Edit: The change that I'm seeing is also the result of creating a Firefox Tracker exception for the site.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 10/03/2019 04:45 am
Not sure if it's related, but over the past hour I got randomly logged out of my account when clicking on a new page. When it doesn't, the "Accept cookies" bar appears everytime even after I clicked the OK button.  :-X
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/03/2019 05:09 am
Not sure if it's related, but over the past hour I got randomly logged out of my account when clicking on a new page. When it doesn't, the "Accept cookies" bar appears everytime even after I clicked the OK button.  :-X

I have very strict cookie configurations and I'm not having a problem, so I tend to suspect that it's not a problem with the website.  (And I'm not seeing any issues currently at Cloudflare.)

It sounds like cookies are not being set and/or read correctly in your browser.  Have you upgraded your browser, added any extensions, changed any configurations?  What browser and operating system?

You could try clearing all of your cookies from .nasaspaceflight.com and forum.nasaspaceflight.com and start fresh and see what happens.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/03/2019 03:33 pm
Not sure if it's related, but over the past hour I got randomly logged out of my account when clicking on a new page. When it doesn't, the "Accept cookies" bar appears everytime even after I clicked the OK button.  :-X

That's a bit weird, but something with your browser, not us :)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Navier–Stokes on 10/03/2019 04:07 pm
I'm experiencing some odd text wrapping (in the quote).
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 10/04/2019 11:06 am
I'm experiencing some odd text wrapping (in the quote).

I am also still seeing the text wrapping issue in multiple platforms
Linux/Seamonkey and Android/Firefox.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Navier–Stokes on 10/04/2019 02:35 pm
I'm experiencing some odd text wrapping (in the quote).
FYI, it's not just quotes but also main posts and usernames. I get these breaks with both IE 11 and Chrome 72 running on Windows 7.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: kcrick on 10/04/2019 03:49 pm
I'm experiencing some odd text wrapping (in the quote).
FYI, it's not just quotes but also main posts and usernames. I get these breaks with both IE 11 and Chrome 72 running on Windows 7.

I get these for Microsoft Edge and IE 11 running on Windows 10. However, Chrome 77 on Windows 10 displays words properly.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Baldur on 10/05/2019 05:20 am
Had to register just for this... ::)

Text wrapping problem seems to be caused by following:

".post_wrapper,.core_posts" in nsf.css sets following:

-ms-word-break:break-all;
word-break:break-all;
word-break:break-word;

There should only be "word-break:" once and both "-ms-word-break:" (Only for IE9) and "word-break:" (Standard) should be set to "break-word".

"break-word" wraps on word breaks, "break-all" wraps on any character.

Some browsers (Chrome etc. which currently wrap on word) seem to use last instance of property in specific div object.
Some browsers (Edge etc. which currently wrap on any character) seem to use first instance of property in specific div object.
IE uses the -ms-break-word nonstandard variant.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 10/05/2019 11:04 am
"Like" button is missing on Linux/Firefox (Quantum 69.0.1) - even when hovering over where it is expected to appear.
Notably - When I "Like"'d Baldur's post on OSX/Firefox, "Unlike" did appear.


 
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Baldur on 10/05/2019 01:38 pm
"Like" button is missing on Linux/Firefox (Quantum 69.0.1) - even when hovering over where it is expected to appear.
Notably - When I "Like"'d Baldur's post on OSX/Firefox, "Unlike" did appear.

Shown normally on Windows 10, Firefox Quantum 69.0.2.

Didn't find anything weird on the CSS inspector on Chrome, Edge or Firefox.
CSS for all three buttons (one hidden by CSS property) are there on all browsers tested with identical properties, and can change them to show in any combination with CSS property editing.

Might be browser bug in Firefox 69.0.1 or in just the Linux version where it displays the hidden "Unlike" on top of the shown "Like", hiding "Like" button too.

I might later install Linux VM to test.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 10/05/2019 02:07 pm
The "Like" button is another thing that can get removed by ad blockers if you have it set to block social media stuff.  If you're using any sort of ad/tracker blocking on the browser that isn't showing the Like button try turning that off and see if it works or not.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 10/05/2019 07:43 pm
The "Like" button is another thing that can get removed by ad blockers if you have it set to block social media stuff.  If you're using any sort of ad/tracker blocking on the browser that isn't showing the Like button try turning that off and see if it works or not.

That was it... an ad-blocker.  Works normally with the ad-blocker off.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/06/2019 02:00 pm
Gah, totally ruined usability for me. IOS. Running in the non-tapatalk “desktop” mode, it fits everything to my screen width and doesn’t let me zoom out and see the website like it did before. It now looks all zoomed in like this, and rotating my phone doesn’t really help much. Fix this!
AIUI there is still work happening on the mobile side, keep reporting issues but being patient might be a good approach.
Sorry if I sounded impatient. I’m not on the mobile site. The regular site just automatically “fits” to the small screen and has no horizontal scrolling so there’s no way to “zoom out.” It’s like breathing through a straw, here...
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/06/2019 03:07 pm
Gah, totally ruined usability for me. IOS. Running in the non-tapatalk “desktop” mode, it fits everything to my screen width and doesn’t let me zoom out and see the website like it did before. It now looks all zoomed in like this, and rotating my phone doesn’t really help much. Fix this!
AIUI there is still work happening on the mobile side, keep reporting issues but being patient might be a good approach.
Sorry if I sounded impatient. I’m not on the mobile site. The regular site just automatically “fits” to the small screen and has no horizontal scrolling so there’s no way to “zoom out.” It’s like breathing through a straw, here...

On desktop? What do you mean exactly? That "issue" has baffled us all at NSF Towers, so perhaps a bit more of an explanation as to what you're trying to do and what the site won't allow you to do.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Hobbes-22 on 10/06/2019 05:21 pm
He's using the desktop site on an iPhone or iPad.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: freddo411 on 10/06/2019 05:48 pm
Gah, totally ruined usability for me. IOS. Running in the non-tapatalk “desktop” mode, it fits everything to my screen width and doesn’t let me zoom out and see the website like it did before. It now looks all zoomed in like this, and rotating my phone doesn’t really help much. Fix this!
AIUI there is still work happening on the mobile side, keep reporting issues but being patient might be a good approach.
Sorry if I sounded impatient. I’m not on the mobile site. The regular site just automatically “fits” to the small screen and has no horizontal scrolling so there’s no way to “zoom out.” It’s like breathing through a straw, here...

On desktop? What do you mean exactly? That "issue" has baffled us all at NSF Towers, so perhaps a bit more of an explanation as to what you're trying to do and what the site won't allow you to do.

The feature on the iphone/Ipad is called pinch to zoom, or tap to zoom.   Pinch to zoom is an arbitrary zoom, while the tap would zoom into the width of specific columns, or areas.   

The new theme will not allow the user to use either of these zoom features.   The old theme did allow these.   

These features are particularly helpful on small screens to resolve specific areas

I specifically notice this on IOS on the Ipad using Chrome browser on the desktop HTML site.   Don't know if this happens on other browsers.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/06/2019 07:06 pm
We're doing some tweaking, so don't panic if the forum goes unresponsible for 20-30 seconds a few times today. It'll be us pushing updates.

Don't flip out if you see a column out of line for a while. We'll let you know when we're finished and then we'll go for the feedback :)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: AnalogMan on 10/06/2019 11:37 pm
For me, today's changes have fixed line-breaks occurring in the middle of words (several others reported this too).
Using  Firefox 52.9.0/ Windows Vista.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/07/2019 12:48 am
Gah, totally ruined usability for me. IOS. Running in the non-tapatalk “desktop” mode, it fits everything to my screen width and doesn’t let me zoom out and see the website like it did before. It now looks all zoomed in like this, and rotating my phone doesn’t really help much. Fix this!
AIUI there is still work happening on the mobile side, keep reporting issues but being patient might be a good approach.
Sorry if I sounded impatient. I’m not on the mobile site. The regular site just automatically “fits” to the small screen and has no horizontal scrolling so there’s no way to “zoom out.” It’s like breathing through a straw, here...

On desktop? What do you mean exactly? That "issue" has baffled us all at NSF Towers, so perhaps a bit more of an explanation as to what you're trying to do and what the site won't allow you to do.
It's the same behavior on desktop and mobile (using the desktop mode). The website reformats everything to fit on the smaller screen, which means you can't zoom out to see an outline of the whole thing on your phone. There's no horizontal scroll bar. It basically makes the desktop mode act just like the mobile mode on small screens, which is pretty annoying. It's hard to see if there's new updates in different sections all at once because you can't "zoom out."

I'll show you:
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 10/07/2019 01:06 am
For me, today's changes have fixed line-breaks occurring in the middle of words (several others reported this too).
Using  Firefox 52.9.0/ Windows Vista.

Thanks!
Also fixed for me on Linux/Seamonkey & Android/Firefox.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mark_m on 10/07/2019 02:42 pm
I like the updated look. :) However, recently (last couple of days I guess) for me the "threads with new posts" functionality isn't working. This is from the index page, where I used to click the "N" to see threads with new messages. Now that doesn't appear to be a link at all. My browser is Safari version 12.1.1. Thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/07/2019 03:47 pm
I like the updated look. :) However, recently (last couple of days I guess) for me the "threads with new posts" functionality isn't working. This is from the index page, where I used to click the "N" to see threads with new messages. Now that doesn't appear to be a link at all. My browser is Safari version 12.1.1. Thanks!

I'm seeing the same thing with Firefox 69.0.2 on Windows 10 1809.  I think it started sometime yesterday.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: RDMM2081 on 10/09/2019 03:31 am
Just dropping by to say that after the latest update, seeing the red “read/unread” and wider iPhone mobile screen, that reading NSF on iPhone in bed at night is the best it’s ever been (imho) thanks all for the work and improvements!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mark_m on 10/10/2019 02:41 am
I like the updated look. :) However, recently (last couple of days I guess) for me the "threads with new posts" functionality isn't working. This is from the index page, where I used to click the "N" to see threads with new messages. Now that doesn't appear to be a link at all. My browser is Safari version 12.1.1. Thanks!

I'm seeing the same thing with Firefox 69.0.2 on Windows 10 1809.  I think it started sometime yesterday.
Just checking in, are there any updates on this issue? This is how I keep up with the various topics, and I'm suffering NSF withdrawal here.... Thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/10/2019 02:45 am
Just dropping by to say that after the latest update, seeing the red “read/unread” and wider iPhone mobile screen, that reading NSF on iPhone in bed at night is the best it’s ever been (imho) thanks all for the work and improvements!
This should be a mobile option, not on the Desktop mode. Not everyone enjoys a mobile version of the site on the desktop mode.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Martin FL on 10/10/2019 03:50 am
Just dropping by to say that after the latest update, seeing the red “read/unread” and wider iPhone mobile screen, that reading NSF on iPhone in bed at night is the best it’s ever been (imho) thanks all for the work and improvements!
This should be a mobile option, not on the Desktop mode. Not everyone enjoys a mobile version of the site on the desktop mode.

That is the mobile version, not desktop. Everything suggests you're on some less used set up, especially looking at your very different browser screenshots. Perhaps it's defaulting/being seen as a/mobile browser and that's where it all went wrong for you?

If it was a site issue, lots of people would be on here, for sure.

Works great on Windows 10/Firefox (whatever version I'm on, the latest obviously as it asks you to update occasionally and I always do). Same on my iphone, where that red bar appears to save space. You never see that, nor should you, on the desktop version on a desktop PC.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mn on 10/10/2019 04:46 pm
Yeah, full site theme is better on mobile than it was, but the "new" button is tiny and that's the place I actually want to go. If that could be made big enough to tap reliably, that'd send me home happy.

Probably the most used link on a index page (and 'unread' page) is the 'new' button.

So perhaps the 'new' button can be moved to a better place. Currently it's at the end of the thread title so the position is inconsistent from thread to thread.

Perhaps it can be moved to the right column ('last post' column) and if it were up to me, I'd make the entire td clickable to the 'new' post (or 'last' post when there is no 'new'). The last td already has a little icon that links to the last post, perhaps we can replace that with the 'new' icon, (or at least put both of them there, but if you have both you can't make the entire td clickable, which I would really prefer at least on mobile).
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Hobbes-22 on 10/10/2019 07:15 pm
On another forum I use, the 'new' button has been removed, and clicking on the thread title will take you to the first unread post in the thread. I like that approach.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: NSF Webmaster on 10/10/2019 07:49 pm
I like the updated look. :) However, recently (last couple of days I guess) for me the "threads with new posts" functionality isn't working. This is from the index page, where I used to click the "N" to see threads with new messages. Now that doesn't appear to be a link at all. My browser is Safari version 12.1.1. Thanks!

Should be fixed as of this moment :)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/10/2019 07:55 pm
I like the updated look. :) However, recently (last couple of days I guess) for me the "threads with new posts" functionality isn't working. This is from the index page, where I used to click the "N" to see threads with new messages. Now that doesn't appear to be a link at all. My browser is Safari version 12.1.1. Thanks!

Should be fixed as of this moment :)

Looks good.  Thanks!

(I mostly use the category "Unread Posts" links, but there are certain boards that I like to handle individually before the category of which they are a part.)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mn on 10/10/2019 07:59 pm
On another forum I use, the 'new' button has been removed, and clicking on the thread title will take you to the first unread post in the thread. I like that approach.

Sounds good to me, except that it's not obvious, why keep the most used function hidden.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mark_m on 10/11/2019 01:48 am
I like the updated look. :) However, recently (last couple of days I guess) for me the "threads with new posts" functionality isn't working. This is from the index page, where I used to click the "N" to see threads with new messages. Now that doesn't appear to be a link at all. My browser is Safari version 12.1.1. Thanks!

Should be fixed as of this moment :)
Working great, thanks!  :D
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/11/2019 10:44 am
Just dropping by to say that after the latest update, seeing the red “read/unread” and wider iPhone mobile screen, that reading NSF on iPhone in bed at night is the best it’s ever been (imho) thanks all for the work and improvements!
This should be a mobile option, not on the Desktop mode. Not everyone enjoys a mobile version of the site on the desktop mode.

That is the mobile version, not desktop. Everything suggests you're on some less used set up, especially looking at your very different browser screenshots. Perhaps it's defaulting/being seen as a/mobile browser and that's where it all went wrong for you?

If it was a site issue, lots of people would be on here, for sure.

Works great on Windows 10/Firefox (whatever version I'm on, the latest obviously as it asks you to update occasionally and I always do). Same on my iphone, where that red bar appears to save space. You never see that, nor should you, on the desktop version on a desktop PC.
You DO see it if you use a narrow window. There’s no longer any option to zoom out. Everything is automatically scrunched down to your screen. It’s super annoying on my iPhone SE. incredibly frustrating, and reduces the site usability on my phone. I find myself visiting less.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/11/2019 10:54 am
If you have 3 columns, things are reduced to like one or two words per line. This is why automatic sizing is bad. There should be an option of not doing that.

Some text is also truncates on the right.

If I wanted a mobilized version, I would select mobile, but I should also be able to select a desktop view. But there’s now no way to do that as everything is reflowed automatically to the small screen.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ionmars on 10/11/2019 01:09 pm
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mn on 10/11/2019 03:36 pm
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.

If the screen width is below a certain point the user links disappear, but if you tap the users name you get to a page with a PM link, (so two taps instead of one, hopefully not to bad).

Edit: note to mods: considering that the content is loaded anyway, just hidden, it can be made into a flyout instead of a page load to make it much quicker.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Hog on 10/11/2019 03:44 pm
It might not be possible within the board software, but it would be great if it was possible to have an optional more 'compact' layout of the forum main page, more like the old board. The humongous line spacing, font sizes, and spaces between sections are just wearing out my scroll wheel, I can only see 9-10 sections even on full screen. That's with running a perfectly reasonable 1920x1080 on a 21.5" monitor.
Concur.

It's even worse when using 150% zoom as some of us with tired old eyes do.

And the banner ad at the top doesn't help (has to be scrolled past on every single page) but it must do wonders for the budget so consider this paragraph for info (in case it's not obvious) not a complaint.
If I use 125% zoom my entire monitor is filled and the ad bar along the right side is no longer visible.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/12/2019 03:59 am
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.

If the screen width is below a certain point the user links disappear, but if you tap the users name you get to a page with a PM link, (so two taps instead of one, hopefully not to bad).

Edit: note to mods: considering that the content is loaded anyway, just hidden, it can be made into a flyout instead of a page load to make it much quicker.
IMHO, the automatic reformatting is a mistake...
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ionmars on 10/12/2019 01:31 pm
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.

If the screen width is below a certain point the user links disappear, but if you tap the users name you get to a page with a PM link, (so two taps instead of one, hopefully not to bad).
...
...
Did I mention I also can’t get a list of user names?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 10/13/2019 07:13 am
Did I mention I also can’t get a list of user names?
The "Members" tab has been gone a while...see my post here (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=44520.msg1862338#msg1862338).
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 10/13/2019 07:22 am
I'm finding that the forum Search function intermittently flakes out.

Sometimes it finds nothing, even if I'm searching using a word or phrase that I've successfully used before.

Or, as just happened to me, it returns a list of posts, but when I attempt to load a successive page of the same, the search find drops to zero.

Once the Search function fails, it fails for a few minutes to hours (for me).

Successive attempts, minutes or hours later, then seem to work.
Follow-up post:
Forum Search function has failed every time I have tried to use it since my previous post of 8/17.

Further testing Search with common forum "space words," while I drafted this message.
It worked once, then immediately failed loading "page 2."
Further follow-up:
I since discovered that if I click on "Revise Search" one or more times, without changing the search word or phrase, then eventually, the search will return data.  (I first discovered this in a moment of frustration-clicking.)

This does not guarantee a smooth load of page 2, etc. of search returns.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: leovinus on 10/13/2019 02:17 pm
Same here (intermittent results) but your note on the "Revise Search" helps!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 10/13/2019 06:08 pm
Yep. Revise sorts it out, but it's obviously something noted. So, it's noted for Mark :)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mn on 10/13/2019 09:06 pm
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.

If the screen width is below a certain point the user links disappear, but if you tap the users name you get to a page with a PM link, (so two taps instead of one, hopefully not to bad).

Edit: note to mods: considering that the content is loaded anyway, just hidden, it can be made into a flyout instead of a page load to make it much quicker.
IMHO, the automatic reformatting is a mistake...

99.99% of the time I want the content, so on a small screen I want to give the content more space at the expense of something I might want 0.01% of the time (and is now just one click away).

Edit: if you want the desktop layout on mobile, check if your browser has a 'desktop site' option, on my device (android/chrome) this gives you likely what you want.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: catdlr on 10/14/2019 06:20 am
Yep. Revise sorts it out, but it's obviously something noted. So, it's noted for Mark :)

Chris,  I was having that search issue weeks before the change.  So I don't think it's the site change.  Yes, the revise makes it work.  May be a timing issue with the results screen and the return from the DB query completing.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: AnalogMan on 10/14/2019 11:30 am
Yep. Revise sorts it out, but it's obviously something noted. So, it's noted for Mark :)

Chris,  I was having that search issue weeks before the change.  So I don't think it's the site change.  Yes, the revise makes it work.  May be a timing issue with the results screen and the return from the DB query completing.

I agree - search problem existed before the forum refresh.  I've been using the "revise" button click as a workaround for several months now.

The search function on the forum is a poor excuse of a thing - any possibility that something could be done to replace it.? And before someone suggests Google (which I frequently use) that won't work in L2!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/15/2019 03:05 am
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.

If the screen width is below a certain point the user links disappear, but if you tap the users name you get to a page with a PM link, (so two taps instead of one, hopefully not to bad).

Edit: note to mods: considering that the content is loaded anyway, just hidden, it can be made into a flyout instead of a page load to make it much quicker.
IMHO, the automatic reformatting is a mistake...

99.99% of the time I want the content, so on a small screen I want to give the content more space at the expense of something I might want 0.01% of the time (and is now just one click away).

Edit: if you want the desktop layout on mobile, check if your browser has a 'desktop site' option, on my device (android/chrome) this gives you likely what you want.
It is the same result on desktop if you resize the window to near mobile size. So it does not respect "request desktop site" as it should; it merely automatically resizes everything for you, if you like it or not.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mn on 10/16/2019 12:07 am
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.

If the screen width is below a certain point the user links disappear, but if you tap the users name you get to a page with a PM link, (so two taps instead of one, hopefully not to bad).

Edit: note to mods: considering that the content is loaded anyway, just hidden, it can be made into a flyout instead of a page load to make it much quicker.
IMHO, the automatic reformatting is a mistake...

99.99% of the time I want the content, so on a small screen I want to give the content more space at the expense of something I might want 0.01% of the time (and is now just one click away).

Edit: if you want the desktop layout on mobile, check if your browser has a 'desktop site' option, on my device (android/chrome) this gives you likely what you want.
It is the same result on desktop if you resize the window to near mobile size. So it does not respect "request desktop site" as it should; it merely automatically resizes everything for you, if you like it or not.

It works as expected on my mobile device (chrome/android). Did you try it?

What happens on desktop when you make the window smaller is actually also expected when designing a responsive website, and it is not a contradiction to what happens when you request desktop site on a mobile device.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/16/2019 03:47 am
I just noticed that the “new topic” option does not appear anywhere on my NSF pages. Also not seeing a way to send a PM to anyone. What should I do?

Using Safari browser on iMac.

If the screen width is below a certain point the user links disappear, but if you tap the users name you get to a page with a PM link, (so two taps instead of one, hopefully not to bad).

Edit: note to mods: considering that the content is loaded anyway, just hidden, it can be made into a flyout instead of a page load to make it much quicker.
IMHO, the automatic reformatting is a mistake...

99.99% of the time I want the content, so on a small screen I want to give the content more space at the expense of something I might want 0.01% of the time (and is now just one click away).

Edit: if you want the desktop layout on mobile, check if your browser has a 'desktop site' option, on my device (android/chrome) this gives you likely what you want.
It is the same result on desktop if you resize the window to near mobile size. So it does not respect "request desktop site" as it should; it merely automatically resizes everything for you, if you like it or not.

It works as expected on my mobile device (chrome/android). Did you try it?

What happens on desktop when you make the window smaller is actually also expected when designing a responsive website, and it is not a contradiction to what happens when you request desktop site on a mobile device.
It actually is. When I request desktop on my mobile device, it should give me the same view as desktop (with the ability to zoom out), just like the old version of the website does. The new version does not respect that request as it automatically sizes it for you. It's a user-hostile method of designing for mobile, IMHO...

For folks who used the mobile site anyway before (or have a large screen), doubtless they don't care.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 10/16/2019 04:44 pm

It works as expected on my mobile device (chrome/android). Did you try it?

What happens on desktop when you make the window smaller is actually also expected when designing a responsive website, and it is not a contradiction to what happens when you request desktop site on a mobile device.
It actually is. When I request desktop on my mobile device, it should give me the same view as desktop (with the ability to zoom out), just like the old version of the website does. The new version does not respect that request as it automatically sizes it for you. It's a user-hostile method of designing for mobile, IMHO...

For folks who used the mobile site anyway before (or have a large screen), doubtless they don't care.

I agree with Robotbeat's assessment that this is a problem.

I prefer to use the "desktop" mode on smartphone and tablet browsers.
Restricting zoom makes it impossible to do simple things like selecting a page or topic.
Perhaps with a stylus it might be possible, but I generally don't have one handy.

This was not an issue before the recent "theme evolution".
As this capability was essential to my usage - I have found a way around this by changing Accessibility options on both Android/Chrome and Android/Firefox.
e.g. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-force-zoom-in-android/

That said, we should not have to go through the effort of finding and changing browser settings on mobile devices.


(edit: spelling)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 10/16/2019 04:52 pm
It should allow zooming in now without changing your browser settings.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: mn on 10/16/2019 11:12 pm

It works as expected on my mobile device (chrome/android). Did you try it?

What happens on desktop when you make the window smaller is actually also expected when designing a responsive website, and it is not a contradiction to what happens when you request desktop site on a mobile device.
It actually is. When I request desktop on my mobile device, it should give me the same view as desktop (with the ability to zoom out), just like the old version of the website does. The new version does not respect that request as it automatically sizes it for you. It's a user-hostile method of designing for mobile, IMHO...

For folks who used the mobile site anyway before (or have a large screen), doubtless they don't care.

I agree with Robotbeat's assessment that this is a problem.

I prefer to use the "desktop" mode on smartphone and tablet browsers.
Restricting zoom makes it impossible to do simple things like selecting a page or topic.
Perhaps with a stylus it might be possible, but I generally don't have one handy.

This was not an issue before the recent "theme evolution".
As this capability was essential to my usage - I have found a way around this by changing Accessibility options on both Android/Chrome and Android/Firefox.
e.g. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-force-zoom-in-android/

That said, we should not have to go through the effort of finding and changing browser settings on mobile devices.


(edit: spelling)

Zooming works just fine on my device, both in mobile mode and 'desktop' mode.

Edit: I tested Firefox on my device just out of curiosity and I found that request desktop also works (looks like they use a slightly wider viewport, might be you will like it better than chrome), and zoom also works just fine.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/17/2019 02:39 am
It should allow zooming in now without changing your browser settings.
Thanks! Half-done.

Still can't zoom out, though. :(

It maybe should be a forum setting, since some people might prefer it one way or the other.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 10/17/2019 08:47 am
It should allow zooming in now without changing your browser settings.
Thanks! Half-done.

Still can't zoom out, though. :(

It maybe should be a forum setting, since some people might prefer it one way or the other.

Zooming seemed to work for me on Android/Firefox without the browser Settings Accessibility Zoom override.
Not sure what is Half-done for Robotbeat, as I can zoom in and out.
 
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/17/2019 02:47 pm
Is it possible to block someone here? I don't see an option for it in the profile section.

I haven't used it, but Profile > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List > Edit Ignore List might do what you want.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ThePonjaX on 10/18/2019 03:11 am
First the good news: I used the option to force the Zoom on Chrome on my Android phone ( Yes, phone, call smart them is a bad use of word smart) and it works great.

Now the question: When is going to be available the "night" or "dark" theme?  The site is "too" white for me.
I work in IT, and I have every tool on dark/knight themes because my eyes. I'd like to have the possibility with the forum.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 10/18/2019 05:00 am
Now the question: When is going to be available the "night" or "dark" theme?  The site is "too" white for me.
I work in IT, and I have every tool on dark/knight themes because my eyes. I'd like to have the possibility with the forum.

It's already available.  I turned it on several days ago.  There are some quirks though.  It's not meant for GA yet.

Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout > Dark forum theme.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 10/18/2019 05:14 am
Now the question: When is going to be available the "night" or "dark" theme?  The site is "too" white for me.
I work in IT, and I have every tool on dark/knight themes because my eyes. I'd like to have the possibility with the forum.

It's already available.  I turned it on several days ago.  There are some quirks though.  It's not meant for GA yet.

Profile > Modify Profile > Look and Layout > Dark forum theme.

An early version is available for L2 members to try.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Mandella on 10/19/2019 04:49 pm
Dark theme's blue (used for sticky threads) seems a bit garish and eye hurting as viewed on Windows desktop.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/23/2019 01:01 pm
It should allow zooming in now without changing your browser settings.
Thanks! Half-done.

Still can't zoom out, though. :(

It maybe should be a forum setting, since some people might prefer it one way or the other.

Zooming seemed to work for me on Android/Firefox without the browser Settings Accessibility Zoom override.
Not sure what is Half-done for Robotbeat, as I can zoom in and out.
So it's not reflowing the content to fit your screen? I highly doubt that. Screenshot, please.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 10/23/2019 03:55 pm
The old desktop mode with a large minimum width is gone, and not likely to return.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: joncz on 10/23/2019 08:37 pm
Don't know if this has been reported, as I've only been on NSF sporadically the past two months

Whatever font is in the "Mark all messages read" isn't rendering too well.

This is under W10, Chrome, 1920x1080.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 10/26/2019 01:09 pm
The old desktop mode with a large minimum width is gone, and not likely to return.
So we’re forced into mobile mode. How nice.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: George CA on 10/26/2019 01:51 pm
The old desktop mode with a large minimum width is gone, and not likely to return.
So we’re forced into mobile mode. How nice.

No people are NOT forced into a mobile mode, as people keep telling you and you should have worked out as you're the only person complaining. Consider not using a wacky browser/system combination, as your screenshots showed you are using.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 10/26/2019 04:17 pm
The old desktop mode with a large minimum width is gone, and not likely to return.
So we’re forced into mobile mode. How nice.

But we aren't. The layout works the same on mobile and desktop browsers, in a responsive manner. There's a simple solution for scrunched columns: turn your phone on its side.


I agree that in the narrow (portrait phone screen) case, intra-table text layout could be dramatically simplified and optimized.

Do we really need the replies/view column when space is tight? Do the page number breadcrumbs really have to take up two lines of text, or should they even be there at all? How important it is to list the thread originator when space is constrained; could it be combined into the 'last post' column?

And repeating many others: why is the orange "NEW" button so #($%*& tiny??

Chris, has anyone considered this table layout from a clean-sheet design standpoint, and would anyone be open to that?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: harrystranger on 11/02/2019 12:09 am
I know the dark mode is still an early version and I'm really liking it!

Just a quick note, if you click to see all who have liked a post it half switches to light mode again.

Otherwise great, thanks!  :D

edit to add- The drop down menus in profile, messages, etc need more contrast to see the options
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: GWH on 11/04/2019 05:55 am
Oh good I can turn mobile off and go back to full site.

Its awkward but the mobile version doesn't work for me at all.

I've mentioned it previously,  but it is still the case with mobile where if I am typing a long message the text field scrolls to the top with every letter I type, so I am essentially typing blind.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 11/04/2019 11:54 am
The old desktop mode with a large minimum width is gone, and not likely to return.
So we’re forced into mobile mode. How nice.

But we aren't.
actually, we ARE. The old version wouldn’t force you into “enjoying” a mobilified version of the website. I hate the “smart” reflow of everything into a mobile version. There’s no way to zoom out to get easy full context like there used to be; it’s like sucking a milkshake through a straw.
Quote
There's a simple solution for scrunched columns: turn your phone on its side.
That’s NOT a solution. It makes it worse! Also, even if it did solve the problem (it doesn’t), it wouldn’t work if you’re reading the page while lying on your side. This is user-hostile design to force a mobilified, reflowed version on those using small screens when the previous version was great.
Quote


I agree that in the narrow (portrait phone screen) case, intra-table text layout could be dramatically simplified and optimized.

....
No. no more “smart” reflow! I want the same layout on desktop and small screen, not reflowed even more. This is literally the opposite of what I’m asking for.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 11/04/2019 11:56 am
Still so frustrating to use this site on my phone now that it’s grating every time I visit. Site usability was better even on my frakking Blackberry...
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 11/04/2019 12:25 pm
This is user-hostile design to force a mobilified, reflowed version on those using small screens when the previous version was great.
....
No. no more “smart” reflow! I want the same layout on desktop and small screen, not reflowed even more. This is literally the opposite of what I’m asking for.

I do believe responsive designs can be superior when done properly, but nobody needs to change your mind on this. I think I get it. The fixed desktop design, when browsed on mobile, offered an experience which arguably felt more logically (or at least spatially) consistent. I certainly formed strategies around – and built up muscle-memory for – using what was, in all honesty, a more fidgety experience. But hey, sometimes fidgeting feels good.

There's a simple solution for scrunched columns: turn your phone on its side.
That’s NOT a solution. It makes it worse! Also, even if it did solve the problem (it doesn’t), it wouldn’t work if you’re reading the page while lying on your side.

Well, I don't think the old design is coming back. So, a friendly tip: look for the 'orientation lock' setting on your phone. It's usually readily accessible and easy to toggle. A lifesaver for reading in bed, or whenever reclining.

Cheers
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: saundby on 11/05/2019 01:53 am
So what's going on when I come here on my Mac? Why does it look like a giant cellphone screen? This is a laptop, not an iDevice. I get a better view when I tell my Android tablet to use desktop mode.

That's not an option here with my desktop browser.

And I wanted to see the links to current forum topics, which don't display on this.
(http://saundby.com/images/Screen%20Shot%202019-11-04%20at%209.46.45%20PM.png)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: jebbo on 11/07/2019 01:01 pm
Now that images pop-out into a separate tab, is there a way of linking to a (non-L2) post that will show an image preview on platforms like Facebook, but still clicks-through to the forums?

--- Tony
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 11/07/2019 01:05 pm
Note, this thread is about the forum, but for now....

So what's going on when I come here on my Mac? Why does it look like a giant cellphone screen? This is a laptop, not an iDevice. I get a better view when I tell my Android tablet to use desktop mode.

That's not an option here with my desktop browser.

And I wanted to see the links to current forum topics, which don't display on this.
(http://saundby.com/images/Screen%20Shot%202019-11-04%20at%209.46.45%20PM.png)

Someone will know. Looks like your browser is telling the NSF news site "Hi, NSF, mobile device here!" ;D Someone will know how to sort it out.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 11/07/2019 01:05 pm
Now that images pop-out into a separate tab, is there a way of linking to a (non-L2) post that will show an image preview on platforms like Facebook, but still clicks-through to the forums?

--- Tony


Heh, I wish (or hope someone knows a way) there was, but I don't know it. Hotlinking makes me cry :) Honestly, I'd be far more happier if people reuploaded an image and included a link to the post's URL (like https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49109.msg2012505#msg2012505) if they had a burning desire to show a photo on another site. Best would be just the URL, but per the question. After all, if we see 100s/1000s hitting a hotlinked image, we'll just reupload it and that hotlink will send everyone on the other site clicking it to a "not found" page on the forum, so hotlinking isn't the way to go.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: jebbo on 11/07/2019 01:11 pm
Heh, I wish (or hope someone knows a way) there was, but I don't know it. Hotlinking makes me cry :)

Yes, that's what I want to avoid ... hopefully someone can devise a way

Quote
Honestly, I'd be far more happier if people reuploaded an image and included a link to the post's URL (like https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49109.msg2012505#msg2012505) if they had a burning desire to show a photo on another site.

I've got quite a few interested friends who keep trying to entice and it is much easier with an image, though usually I try with just text. Personally, I dislike save & repost as it feels quite wrong somehow.

--- Tony
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 11/07/2019 01:13 pm
We have a genius person with the coding in NSF Towers, so once we get all the cowbell installed, we'll see if there's a way.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ionmars on 11/07/2019 08:50 pm
First, a shoutout to Chris and Team who keep NSF in such great shape! (When do you all sleep?)

Secomd, I still don’t have the “new thread” function. These are the functions I have on this page:
REPLY
ADD POLL
UNNOTIFY
MARK UNREAD
SEND THIS TOPIC
PRINT

Thanks, Roy Paul (Ionmars)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 11/07/2019 09:08 pm
I still don’t have the “new thread” function. These are the functions I have on this page:

The "New Topic" button shows up when you're seeing a list of threads in a forum section.  It doesn't show up when you're in a thread.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ionmars on 11/07/2019 09:17 pm
I still don’t have the “new thread” function. These are the functions I have on this page:

The "New Topic" button shows up when you're seeing a list of threads in a forum section.  It doesn't show up when you're in a thread.
Yup, shouldda remembered that.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 11/19/2019 01:38 pm
I am liking the early version of "dark theme" and have one request.

Can you keep the text light? The dark text on a dark background is difficult to read
and a also a bit jarring when reading.




Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 11/19/2019 01:47 pm
I am liking the early version of "dark theme" and have one request.

Can you keep the text light? The dark text on a dark background is difficult to read
and a also a bit jarring when reading.
Not sure why the quotes in pictured L2 thread switch to a very light background which I find even more "jarring".

My preference would be for dark mode to always have dark backgrounds with light text.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 11/19/2019 03:29 pm
Well, as long as we're discussing dark mode in this thread ... in a post preview URLs are white on white, making them invisible.

IMO the preview color scheme should match the reading color scheme.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Pete on 11/27/2019 04:42 pm
Layout request:
Is it possible to change the loading order so that pages with many,many pictures immediately reserve the space for the images, and only once page structure is solid do the download of the image contents?

The current method of making an unloaded image show as a one-line, which then POPs up to size only when its image is fetched, makes the image-heavy threads impossible to use before they are fully loaded.

And as this can take many seconds, even a minute or two on a slow connection, it makes navigation of image-heavy pages like the spacex construction update pages a bit of a pain.

I'd much rather have a stable screen with blank image blocks slowly being filled, than a page that jerks and scrolls each time an image is finally loaded.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 11/27/2019 05:05 pm
Layout request:
Is it possible to change the loading order so that pages with many,many pictures immediately reserve the space for the images, and only once page structure is solid do the download of the image contents?

The current method of making an unloaded image show as a one-line, which then POPs up to size only when its image is fetched, makes the image-heavy threads impossible to use before they are fully loaded.

And as this can take many seconds, even a minute or two on a slow connection, it makes navigation of image-heavy pages like the spacex construction update pages a bit of a pain.

I'd much rather have a stable screen with blank image blocks slowly being filled, than a page that jerks and scrolls each time an image is finally loaded.

I haven't noticed that issue with images that are actually stored on NSF.

The issue I see is with embedded tweets, and there's nothing NSF can do about that because NSF doesn't know the size so it can't tell the browser.  So the browser can't reserve space because it doesn't know the size until the tweet is actually fetched from Twitter.  Any fix would have to be in the browser in the way that it loads embedded content with no size specified.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 11/29/2019 04:49 pm
Layout request:
Is it possible to change the loading order so that pages with many,many pictures immediately reserve the space for the images, and only once page structure is solid do the download of the image contents?

The current method of making an unloaded image show as a one-line, which then POPs up to size only when its image is fetched, makes the image-heavy threads impossible to use before they are fully loaded.

And as this can take many seconds, even a minute or two on a slow connection, it makes navigation of image-heavy pages like the spacex construction update pages a bit of a pain.

I'd much rather have a stable screen with blank image blocks slowly being filled, than a page that jerks and scrolls each time an image is finally loaded.

I haven't noticed that issue with images that are actually stored on NSF.

The issue I see is with embedded tweets, and there's nothing NSF can do about that because NSF doesn't know the size so it can't tell the browser.  So the browser can't reserve space because it doesn't know the size until the tweet is actually fetched from Twitter.  Any fix would have to be in the browser in the way that it loads embedded content with no size specified.

I've seen it happening with images, again depending on connection speed and number of images.
For tweets, reserve a reasonable amount of space at first, then refine. There isn't too much variability in the vertical size of a twitter card.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/01/2019 02:10 pm
In dark theme mode the yellow background needs to be changed to a colour that is compatible with the the white text as it is illegible.
L2 example.
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49162.msg2020911#msg2020911
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lar on 12/01/2019 02:22 pm
For tweets, reserve a reasonable amount of space at first, then refine. There isn't too much variability in the vertical size of a twitter card.
That will still cause jitter unless buffer space is left empty.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 12/01/2019 07:26 pm
For tweets, reserve a reasonable amount of space at first, then refine. There isn't too much variability in the vertical size of a twitter card.
That will still cause jitter unless buffer space is left empty.

What do you propose instead? Some refinement jitter seems preferable to the jumpy 'zero-to-everything' behavior we have now.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Lar on 12/02/2019 02:32 am
For tweets, reserve a reasonable amount of space at first, then refine. There isn't too much variability in the vertical size of a twitter card.
That will still cause jitter unless buffer space is left empty.

What do you propose instead? Some refinement jitter seems preferable to the jumpy 'zero-to-everything' behavior we have now.
it sounds like it'd be an improvement to me, so if it's easy to do I am in favour..... I'm just pointing out that it won't always prevent all jitter.

Also I'm not one of the web boffins here.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ulm_atms on 12/11/2019 09:35 pm
At Lar's asking in another thread :-)

I have noticed the font in the poll is smaller then then well basically, everything else which at least to me squishes the selection buttons close together.  I miss selected one and realized it after when it showed the wrong one bolded.  I even noticed some of the selection buttons touch and some don't.

Any reason the poll txt is smaller then everything else?  Just curious as there is no way to go back and change a vote that I know of.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 12/19/2019 11:53 pm
Request some kind of countdown timer to show how many minutes remain in your logged-in session.

I don't want to change my account settings to a very long time, or to never log out.  I do appreciate being automatically logged out, if I do not remember to log out.

However, it's a real frustration when you're in the middle of something long and/or tedious.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: russianhalo117 on 12/28/2019 07:07 pm
Mods if you go into edit multiple times the colour system is inconsistent in that it alternates between named colours, RGB, CMYK, and Hexadecimal value formats sometimes resulting in nonmatching shades do to nonequal values (example with 3 of 4 formats):
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=26990.msg2026803#msg2026803

I have not experienced this before theme update.

Another issue when I work on the schedule I manage is when returning the line to move/add an entry via copy and paste the all returns around the copy and paste are deleted.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: jebbo on 12/31/2019 12:50 pm
One minor upgrade ... the embedded tweet thing is great, but it would be helpful if it understood and automatically removed the "?s=xx" suffixes, which catch a lot of people out

--- Tony
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Semmel on 01/24/2020 11:17 am
would it be possible to write answers in threads directly below the thread without reloading the page? I have all the text from previous posts available but any images are missing and if I type a responds that refers specifically to stuff that is in images a few posts above, I always have to open two tabs in the browser to do so. Cant we have all the functionality of the "post reply" loaded just at the bottom of the normal view of a thread?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 03/03/2020 10:42 pm
One minor upgrade ... the embedded tweet thing is great, but it would be helpful if it understood and automatically removed the "?s=xx" suffixes, which catch a lot of people out

--- Tony

On the embedding mechanism, it should be self-escaping in certain circumstances... between paired brackets of the [url] tag, for instance. As it stands today one cannot create an inline hyperlink to twitter.com without blowing up their post.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 03/03/2020 10:47 pm
Feature request: by default, please open PDFs in the browser itself.

Today they download by default. I'd much prefer to preview in the browser first, then decide whether or not to save/download the file.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ehb on 03/17/2020 01:16 pm
Layout request:
Is it possible to change the loading order so that pages with many,many pictures immediately reserve the space for the images, and only once page structure is solid do the download of the image contents?

The current method of making an unloaded image show as a one-line, which then POPs up to size only when its image is fetched, makes the image-heavy threads impossible to use before they are fully loaded.

And as this can take many seconds, even a minute or two on a slow connection, it makes navigation of image-heavy pages like the spacex construction update pages a bit of a pain.

I'd much rather have a stable screen with blank image blocks slowly being filled, than a page that jerks and scrolls each time an image is finally loaded.

For tweets, reserve a reasonable amount of space at first, then refine. There isn't too much variability in the vertical size of a twitter card.
That will still cause jitter unless buffer space is left empty.

What do you propose instead? Some refinement jitter seems preferable to the jumpy 'zero-to-everything' behavior we have now.
it sounds like it'd be an improvement to me, so if it's easy to do I am in favour..... I'm just pointing out that it won't always prevent all jitter.

Also I'm not one of the web boffins here.

How about a user option to reverse order the posts (most recent first)?
Often what I want to read is most recent.

Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Arb on 03/17/2020 06:05 pm
As we're doing "how about"s...

How about a way to hide threads one 'never' wants to see again.

It becomes tricky because 'never' is a long time so a proper implementation would require a way to show hidden threads and un-hide selected ones (although I personalty could live without this refinement - gone forever would be just fine).

For bonus points make the feature available only to L2 subscribers.

For even more points make available to mods (in whatever form Chris finds most useful) a report of the number of people who've hidden each thread (and, perhaps, who they are). Threads with very high numbers being candidates for locking, removal, etc.

It's all about raising the signal to noise ratio which, it seems to me, is slowly but surely falling in some nooks of the site. YMMV.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 03/17/2020 06:34 pm
As we're doing "how about"s...

How about a way to hide threads one 'never' wants to see again.

It becomes tricky because 'never' is a long time so a proper implementation would require a way to show hidden threads and un-hide selected ones (although I personalty could live without this refinement - gone forever would be just fine).

For bonus points make the feature available only to L2 subscribers.

For even more points make available to mods (in whatever form Chris finds most useful) a report of the number of people who've hidden each thread (and, perhaps, who they are). Threads with very high numbers being candidates for locking, removal, etc.

It's all about raising the signal to noise ratio which, it seems to me, is slowly but surely falling in some nooks of the site. YMMV.

I very much like the idea of being able to hide threads.

Not just because some of them have a low signal-to-noise ratio but also because many are on topics in which I personally have no interest.  Because of this, I'm not sure how useful a report of topics with a high hide count would be.  A topic might be of interest to very few people and have a high hide count, yet be very valuable to those people who are interested.

Even though I'm an L2 subscriber, I think the capability should be available to all users.

Having an option to view a list of hidden topics and unhide them would definitely be useful.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: AnalogMan on 03/17/2020 07:23 pm

[...]
How about a user option to reverse order the posts (most recent first)?
Often what I want to read is most recent.


This option is already available.

Go to Profile > Modify Profile >  Look and Layout

Then tick the "Show most recent posts at the top" box
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Robotbeat on 03/24/2020 09:59 pm
Layout request:
Is it possible to change the loading order so that pages with many,many pictures immediately reserve the space for the images, and only once page structure is solid do the download of the image contents?

The current method of making an unloaded image show as a one-line, which then POPs up to size only when its image is fetched, makes the image-heavy threads impossible to use before they are fully loaded.

And as this can take many seconds, even a minute or two on a slow connection, it makes navigation of image-heavy pages like the spacex construction update pages a bit of a pain.

I'd much rather have a stable screen with blank image blocks slowly being filled, than a page that jerks and scrolls each time an image is finally loaded.
Seconded.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ulm_atms on 03/24/2020 10:00 pm
Layout request:
Is it possible to change the loading order so that pages with many,many pictures immediately reserve the space for the images, and only once page structure is solid do the download of the image contents?

The current method of making an unloaded image show as a one-line, which then POPs up to size only when its image is fetched, makes the image-heavy threads impossible to use before they are fully loaded.

And as this can take many seconds, even a minute or two on a slow connection, it makes navigation of image-heavy pages like the spacex construction update pages a bit of a pain.

I'd much rather have a stable screen with blank image blocks slowly being filled, than a page that jerks and scrolls each time an image is finally loaded.
Seconded.
Third through infinity....need a bigger like button for this one. :-)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: leovinus on 03/25/2020 07:26 pm

[...]
How about a user option to reverse order the posts (most recent first)?
Often what I want to read is most recent.


This option is already available.

Go to Profile > Modify Profile >  Look and Layout

Then tick the "Show most recent posts at the top" box

Thank you for the tip! I've switched it on but noticed that this is not a "page specific" switch. On a thread with 80 pages, the newest post is now #1 on page #1 and not on #19 of page #80. After years of carefully going to the last page of thread followed by a quick flick on the mouse to go down that is a bit jarring :)

Personally, and to clarify, if this switch would revert the order from "earliest post on top" to "newest on top" on a >per page< basis, then the change would be ideal for me. YMMV of course.

The bonus point of having the most recent post on top of a page is of course that the Tweets on the right are far more visible. Now, I mostly scroll to bottom of a page where there are no tweets on the right.

Extra bonus points if these layout changes would be more "discoverable". Now they are hidden in the profile where I never look (mistake maybe :) If the top of a page of the thread had an "invert" or "sort" button to set the layout preference then far more users would use it I speculate.

Edit: maybe you could put the "sort" button on the far right of the header line, which now has "Author" on the left, "Topic" in the middle, and nothing on the right
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ulm_atms on 04/14/2020 02:41 pm
Hey,  Just FYI, but I stumbled on a weird render issue.  Running Firefox latest, if I click on a certain link, my fonts all change size.

font1.png is before I click anything and is basically what it looks like if I just entered the forum and browsing.

font2.png is the output if I click on the "6 others like this" link and then close out of the popup box.  All my fonts change sizes.

It only seems to happen on anyone's "X others like this" links though...almost like the popup box is changing something on the CSS side for that page.  If I go to another page...it goes back to normal font sizes.

As I said...no big deal...but just FYI.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 04/14/2020 04:33 pm
Hey,  Just FYI, but I stumbled on a weird render issue.  Running Firefox latest, if I click on a certain link, my fonts all change size.

font1.png is before I click anything and is basically what it looks like if I just entered the forum and browsing.

font2.png is the output if I click on the "6 others like this" link and then close out of the popup box.  All my fonts change sizes.

It only seems to happen on anyone's "X others like this" links though...almost like the popup box is changing something on the CSS side for that page.  If I go to another page...it goes back to normal font sizes.

As I said...no big deal...but just FYI.

It's probably related to the fact that the dark theme (if in use) gets deactivated when clicking on a "others like this" link.  It comes back when refreshing the page or switching to another page.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: CJ on 04/16/2020 02:25 am
I have a question about image attachments; I know that the preference is that offsite images be attached rather than embedded, but what is NSF's preference for images already hosted on NSF? For example, if I want to include an attached image from an update thread in a post in the discussion thread? Download and attach, or embed? The former uses up server space, hence my concern. I've also heard that embedded images, even for a NSF hosted image, might have resize issues on some devices with the new forum theme software, but I do not know. 

I'm not suggesting any sort of a rules change - I'm just wanting to know if NSF's policy on attachments being preferred applies to images already on NSF, or just offsite images? 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 04/16/2020 02:33 am
I have a question about image attachments; I know that the preference is that offsite images be attached rather than embedded, but what is NSF's preference for images already hosted on NSF? For example, if I want to include an attached image from an update thread in a post in the discussion thread? Download and attach, or embed? The former uses up server space, hence my concern. I've also heard that embedded images, even for a NSF hosted image, might have resize issues on some devices with the new forum theme software, but I do not know. 

I'm not suggesting any sort of a rules change - I'm just wanting to know if NSF's policy on attachments being preferred applies to images already on NSF, or just offsite images? 

Thanks!

Attaching instead of embedding was more important before the new forum theme, because large images would really mess up the page formatting.  Now it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue.

edit: My pet peeve is when images/videos keep getting propagated in a chain of quotes.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Hog on 04/16/2020 03:08 pm
I have a question about image attachments; I know that the preference is that offsite images be attached rather than embedded, but what is NSF's preference for images already hosted on NSF? For example, if I want to include an attached image from an update thread in a post in the discussion thread? Download and attach, or embed? The former uses up server space, hence my concern. I've also heard that embedded images, even for a NSF hosted image, might have resize issues on some devices with the new forum theme software, but I do not know. 

I'm not suggesting any sort of a rules change - I'm just wanting to know if NSF's policy on attachments being preferred applies to images already on NSF, or just offsite images? 

Thanks!

Attaching instead of embedding was more important before the new forum theme, because large images would really mess up the page formatting.  Now it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue.

edit: My pet peeve is when images/videos keep getting propagated in a chain of quotes.
Agreed, I mean it takes seconds to erase the pics as you quote a post in order to avoid propagating pics. 

Still have no access to a Memberlist.  There was some noise about Personal Security which is non-sense, if someone didnt want their name out there, they'd use a pseudonym here at the site. So inefficient to find info sometimes, esp. from people who dont post often, like Mr Hale for instance.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: CJ on 05/10/2020 12:17 am
I just noticed something very different in my forum display; the "like" button is back, and works!

I haven't had a visible, let alone working, "like" button in nearly two years (I'm on an older version of Frirefox) but now it's back, and works. Just wanted to mention it in case it means something to the developers, and also, intended or not, thank you.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 05/10/2020 01:00 am
I just noticed something very different in my forum display; the "like" button is back, and works!

I haven't had a visible, let alone working, "like" button in nearly two years (I'm on an older version of Frirefox) but now it's back, and works. Just wanted to mention it in case it means something to the developers, and also, intended or not, thank you.

Did you change anything recently?  Like ad-blocker?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: CJ on 05/10/2020 02:23 am

Did you change anything recently?  Like ad-blocker?

Absolutely no changes. (and nothing, including the OS, Win 7,  is allowed to auto-update). I do run script blockers, an ad blocker (but I have NSF whitelisted, except for the one ad that's a moving GIF) and anti-trackers, a cookie nuker, etc, but even with those unloaded I had no "like" button after the forum changeover occurred. However, it's possible the "like" button returned a month or two ago and I just didn't notice until today. 





Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 05/10/2020 03:17 pm

Did you change anything recently?  Like ad-blocker?

Absolutely no changes. (and nothing, including the OS, Win 7,  is allowed to auto-update). I do run script blockers, an ad blocker (but I have NSF whitelisted, except for the one ad that's a moving GIF) and anti-trackers, a cookie nuker, etc, but even with those unloaded I had no "like" button after the forum changeover occurred. However, it's possible the "like" button returned a month or two ago and I just didn't notice until today.

I've found that the like button appears as a social widget to many anti-tracking mechanisms, and required a more granular whitelist in order to work. If the database which drives your blocking auto-updates, that may explain the button's sudden re-appearance.

@Bergin, elimination of ads for paying members... please? This has been discussed for quite a while.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Kang54 on 05/10/2020 08:04 pm
Just a small suggestion: could the "like" and "quote" button be moved below each post, perhaps beside the "report to moderator"-link? As I see it, you'll always be reading/looking the whole post through, before deciding to like or quote it. As it is, if it's a longer post, you'll have to scroll up to "like", then scroll down to see the next post. As I said, it's a small matter, but I think it'd give a better flow.   
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Chris Bergin on 05/10/2020 08:05 pm


@Bergin, elimination of ads for paying members... please? This has been discussed for quite a while.

@glow <--- ;) Yep, that's a wish list item.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: dglow on 05/11/2020 01:26 am


@Bergin, elimination of ads for paying members... please? This has been discussed for quite a while.

@glow <--- ;) Yep, that's a wish list item.

Awesome. It just kinda feels like there's a whole lot of great ideas that go to the wish list... and never return.   :(
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: ulm_atms on 05/17/2020 12:02 am
Hey,  Just FYI, but I stumbled on a weird render issue.  Running Firefox latest, if I click on a certain link, my fonts all change size.

font1.png is before I click anything and is basically what it looks like if I just entered the forum and browsing.

font2.png is the output if I click on the "6 others like this" link and then close out of the popup box.  All my fonts change sizes.

It only seems to happen on anyone's "X others like this" links though...almost like the popup box is changing something on the CSS side for that page.  If I go to another page...it goes back to normal font sizes.

As I said...no big deal...but just FYI.

Hey, I just realized that this issue is now fixed.  :D

I just want to give a shout out to the NSF web team for fixing this little issue that really was minor.  Your efforts are very much appreciated!!  I always tell people in discussions about different types of website forums that NSF's forum software is truly the best that I have ever used and the moderation is top notch.

Thank you for all the hard work!!
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 05/17/2020 04:06 am
Hey,  Just FYI, but I stumbled on a weird render issue.  Running Firefox latest, if I click on a certain link, my fonts all change size.

font1.png is before I click anything and is basically what it looks like if I just entered the forum and browsing.

font2.png is the output if I click on the "6 others like this" link and then close out of the popup box.  All my fonts change sizes.

It only seems to happen on anyone's "X others like this" links though...almost like the popup box is changing something on the CSS side for that page.  If I go to another page...it goes back to normal font sizes.

As I said...no big deal...but just FYI.

Hey, I just realized that this issue is now fixed.  :D

I just want to give a shout out to the NSF web team for fixing this little issue that really was minor.  Your efforts are very much appreciated!!  I always tell people in discussions about different types of website forums that NSF's forum software is truly the best that I have ever used and the moderation is top notch.

Thank you for all the hard work!!

Likewise I noticed a couple of days ago that losing the dark theme in that same scenario of clicking "others like this" is fixed. :)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 05/27/2020 09:36 pm
A lesser item among the greater issues today (May 27 DM2 countdown and scrub):

I noted, beginning this afternoon EDT, that the Likes listing does not appear on individual posts.

The post Like/Dislike buttons work.

The cumulative like count for a thread appears.

In Profile>Messages>Liked, if I click on the Like message, I get the reply "No permission" in a separate pop-up window.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: gongora on 05/27/2020 10:02 pm
A lesser item among the greater issues today (May 27 DM2 countdown and scrub):

I noted, beginning this afternoon EDT, that the Likes listing does not appear on individual posts.

The post Like/Dislike buttons work.

The cumulative like count for a thread appears.

In Profile>Messages>Liked, if I click on the Like message, I get the reply "No permission" in a separate pop-up window.

It got temporarily disabled to help with the server load, should be back now
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: the_other_Doug on 05/30/2020 03:58 pm
The odd Like behavior I noticed last night was that I could Like a post, and the Like link changed to Unlike, but unless no one had Liked the post before, the display of who had Liked the post did not include me.  It often didn't include several people, i Liked a post that already had 10 Likes, but when I looked at the list of people who had Liked it, only eight were listed...

I hope it's all fixed now.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: leovinus on 06/04/2020 03:21 pm
In the context of forum evolution, I see more and more Tweets from Chris B/G on the right hand side in the forum. Then there are NSF-live events on YouTube. To make all of that great content searchable, would it be possible to make one or two dedicated threads on the forum which keep an automatic mirror of all Tweets? That we can search for them in one place, i.e. here. Similar with NSF live YouTube. A mirrored link to past events in a dedicated forum thread would be useful. Bonus points for automatic transcriptions which are searchable.

Background -
1) Call me old fashioned but I do not use Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, etc. Checking all these different apps and places is too fragmented and I would value some (automatic) effort to keep all good stuff in one place, here, archived and searchable.
2) There is a precedent with a thread that copies all of Elon's tweets into a thread. Manual effort though.
3) If no effort to "keep it together" I predict that in 10 year we'll have 5 more social apps, fake space news, and 10 more locations to search for "when did we talk first about water towers in BC?".
4) As I currently work on permanent handwritten records from 400 years ago, some of which are available, predicting the fragmented future is easy and any effort to make the great content more long-term searchable would be appreciated.

Back to lurking and the Tasmanian documents of 1642 (Aussie's will know ;)
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: rocketguy101 on 06/04/2020 05:34 pm
In the context of forum evolution, I see more and more Tweets from Chris B/G on the right hand side in the forum. Then there are NSF-live events on YouTube. To make all of that great content searchable, would it be possible to make one or two dedicated threads on the forum which keep an automatic mirror of all Tweets? That we can search for them in one place, i.e. here. Similar with NSF live YouTube. A mirrored link to past events in a dedicated forum thread would be useful. Bonus points for automatic transcriptions which are searchable.

Background -
1) Call me old fashioned but I do not use Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat, etc. Checking all these different apps and places is too fragmented and I would value some (automatic) effort to keep all good stuff in one place, here, archived and searchable.
2) There is a precedent with a thread that copies all of Elon's tweets into a thread. Manual effort though.
3) If no effort to "keep it together" I predict that in 10 year we'll have 5 more social apps, fake space news, and 10 more locations to search for "when did we talk first about water towers in BC?".
4) As I currently work on permanent handwritten records from 400 years ago, some of which are available, predicting the fragmented future is easy and any effort to make the great content more long-term searchable would be appreciated.

Back to lurking and the Tasmanian documents of 1642 (Aussie's will know ;)

Thank you!!!  I too am not a twitter user, and all social media is banned on my work computer.  For some reason, they do allow NSF and that is how I have followed live space flight for many years during the day.  It is extremely frustrating to try to follow live updates and see a page full of blank boxes with twitter re-posts...sometimes there is text, but seeing "There she is!!" with a blank box for a picture is very off-putting!!!

I have complained about this before and the they reply back was "why don't you follow on your phone?"
 1) my signal sucks at work
 2) if I wanted to see twitter posts, why bother coming to NSF in the first place?

I am a lifetime member of NSF in order to support having a permanent repository of space knowledge.  I feel someday social media sites like twitter could just go "poof" and be gone.  I get a sense of general laziness in all news sites that have become re-posting sites for twitter.  This site used to be a top-notch space news provider with excellent sources and photos.  I've noticed my enthusiasm for NSF wane as the amount of twitter re-posts grows.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Kang54 on 06/04/2020 09:06 pm
I'll risk a repost, as last time I posted this, it was minutes before another post, and I think my post was missed. If not, please just ignore this one. Anyway:

Just a small suggestion: could the "like" and "quote" button be moved below each post, perhaps beside the "report to moderator"-link? As I see it, you'll always be reading/looking the whole post through, before deciding to like or quote it. As it is, if it's a longer post, you'll have to scroll up to "like", then scroll down to see the next post. There are a lot of long posts with many images, and it can be disorientating when the side reloads, and you have to find where you were when you clicked the like button.

As I said, it's a small matter, but I think it'd give a better flow.   
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Hog on 06/05/2020 03:40 pm
I'll risk a repost, as last time I posted this, it was minutes before another post, and I think my post was missed. If not, please just ignore this one. Anyway:

Just a small suggestion: could the "like" and "quote" button be moved below each post, perhaps beside the "report to moderator"-link? As I see it, you'll always be reading/looking the whole post through, before deciding to like or quote it. As it is, if it's a longer post, you'll have to scroll up to "like", then scroll down to see the next post. There are a lot of long posts with many images, and it can be disorientating when the side reloads, and you have to find where you were when you clicked the like button.

As I said, it's a small matter, but I think it'd give a better flow.
That does make sense to have the Like buttons following the text box.  I agree it would aid in the flow of reading and participating in posts/threads.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: leovinus on 08/02/2020 06:34 pm

[...]
How about a user option to reverse order the posts (most recent first)?
Often what I want to read is most recent.


This option is already available.

Go to Profile > Modify Profile >  Look and Layout

Then tick the "Show most recent posts at the top" box

Personally, and to clarify, if this switch would revert the order from "earliest post on top" to "newest on top" on a >per page< basis, then the change would be ideal for me. YMMV of course.

[snip]

Edit: maybe you could put the "sort" button on the far right of the header line, which now has "Author" on the left, "Topic" in the middle, and nothing on the right
With the frequent UPDATES today on DEMO2 return, I notice again that this would be helpful as it saves a lot of 'scrolling to bottom for newest'. YMMV.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: shubharora734 on 01/29/2021 01:35 pm
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Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: nschultz10 on 05/15/2021 08:23 am
Is there still an effort to enable dark mode on the mobile site or desktop site?
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: catdlr on 05/15/2021 10:26 am
Is there still an effort to enable dark mode on the mobile site or desktop site?

The desktop has been available for some time.  Look under Profile and look and feel options, last option
Dark forum theme *** THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS ***
Always use dark mode
 
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Taxidermista on 05/23/2021 10:54 pm
The desktop has been available for some time.  Look under Profile and look and feel options, last option
Dark forum theme *** THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS ***
Always use dark mode

There's no dark mode under Profile > Look and Layout options.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: Ken the Bin on 05/24/2021 03:04 am
The desktop has been available for some time.  Look under Profile and look and feel options, last option
Dark forum theme *** THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS ***
Always use dark mode

There's no dark mode under Profile > Look and Layout options.

Dark mode is there, but only for L2 members.
Title: Re: Forum Theme Evolution. NET Sept. 27, 2019
Post by: rocketmaniac000 on 07/15/2021 07:56 pm
The desktop has been available for some time.  Look under Profile and look and feel options, last option
Dark forum theme *** THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS ***
Always use dark mode

There's no dark mode under Profile > Look and Layout options.

Dark mode is there, but only for L2 members.
I have to admit I don't like that dark mode at all...