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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #100 on: 11/29/2023 09:05 pm »
I think it is very unlikely that the remaining Crew-9 slot will go to an Indian.
The place would probably go to Yui.
For reasons we don't know: problems with an experiment, medical problems or simply political problems, Yui's flight was delayed.
As there is little time left to prepare, an experienced astroanute is required. Probably an American.

India mentioned flying an astronaut to the ISS in 2024 though, so seems they'd do it despite having the ample time to train.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #101 on: 11/29/2023 09:44 pm »
I think it is very unlikely that the remaining Crew-9 slot will go to an Indian.
The place would probably go to Yui.
For reasons we don't know: problems with an experiment, medical problems or simply political problems, Yui's flight was delayed.
As there is little time left to prepare, an experienced astroanute is required. Probably an American.

India mentioned flying an astronaut to the ISS in 2024 though, so seems they'd do it despite having the ample time to train.

For a visiting mission of a dozen days or so, yes, but I don't see the International Partners approving a long-duration crew member who only has a few months training, if that. India has four astronauts -- has anyone heard of one or two of them being at JSC any time recently? I guess they could have trained in secret, but that seems unlikely, given NASA's relative openness.

I suspect that vp is right, that the missing MS will be a NASA astronaut:  ESA doesn't seem to have anyone aimed at Crew-9, Canada is on Starliner-1 (their long-planned year 2024 mission slipping a bit) and JAXA has Yui on Starliner-1 and Onishi "in 2025", which suggests Crew-10.

I suppose another UAE flight might be possible for 9, but haven't heard a word about that, either.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #102 on: 11/29/2023 09:50 pm »
I think it is very unlikely that the remaining Crew-9 slot will go to an Indian.
The place would probably go to Yui.
For reasons we don't know: problems with an experiment, medical problems or simply political problems, Yui's flight was delayed.
As there is little time left to prepare, an experienced astroanute is required. Probably an American.

India mentioned flying an astronaut to the ISS in 2024 though, so seems they'd do it despite having the ample time to train.

For a visiting mission of a dozen days or so, yes, but I don't see the International Partners approving a long-duration crew member who only has a few months training, if that. India has four astronauts -- has anyone heard of one or two of them being at JSC any time recently? I guess they could have trained in secret, but that seems unlikely, given NASA's relative openness.

I suspect that vp is right, that the missing MS will be a NASA astronaut:  ESA doesn't seem to have anyone aimed at Crew-9, Canada is on Starliner-1 (their long-planned year 2024 mission slipping a bit) and JAXA has Yui on Starliner-1 and Onishi "in 2025", which suggests Crew-10.

I suppose another UAE flight might be possible for 9, but haven't heard a word about that, either.

Michael Cassutt

I agree, seems like Axiom-4 would be their best bet if they're adamant about 2024. If the third seat does indeed go to a NASA Astronaut I do wonder who as they've been quite hidden recently about upcoming trainings. Maybe someone who has already flown on dragon before but both Shannon Walker and Megan McArthur don't "fit" based on their current positions (Shannon Walker being Deputy Chief Astronaut and Megan saying iirc that Crew-2 would be her last flight).
Anyways would love to hear others input.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #103 on: 11/29/2023 10:17 pm »
Maybe someone who has already flown on dragon before but both Shannon Walker and Megan McArthur don't "fit" based on their current positions (Shannon Walker being Deputy Chief Astronaut and Megan saying iirc that Crew-2 would be her last flight).
Anyways would love to hear others input.

The other thing about Megan McArthur is that it would be strange for her to be demoted from pilot to mission specialist (assuming, of course, that Zena Cardman takes the pilot's seat).

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #104 on: 11/30/2023 05:03 am »
I don't think it's being "demoted."

I think Crew Dragon seat designations will be very fluid for repeat flyers.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #105 on: 11/30/2023 05:43 am »
... that the missing MS will be a NASA astronaut:  ESA doesn't seem to have anyone aimed at Crew-9, Canada is on Starliner-1 (their long-planned year 2024 mission slipping a bit) and JAXA has Yui on Starliner-1 and Onishi "in 2025", which suggests Crew-10.

I suppose another UAE flight might be possible for 9, but haven't heard a word about that, either.

Michael Cassutt

For ESA, Matthias Maurer having flown on Crew-3, he could quickly join Crew-9.

He is the only one from the 2009 class (even if we only discovered him in 2017) not to have made 2 flights. The ESA had announced that it would offer 2 flights to all these astronauts.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #106 on: 11/30/2023 04:03 pm »
I think Crew Dragon seat designations will be very fluid for repeat flyers.

I would agree with you re mission specialist to pilot or mission specialist to commander or pilot to commander, but I can't see it here. The pilot has a role in helping monitor and fly the ship that the mission specialists don't.

For ESA, Matthias Maurer having flown on Crew-3, he could quickly join Crew-9.

He is the only one from the 2009 class (even if we only discovered him in 2017) not to have made 2 flights. The ESA had announced that it would offer 2 flights to all these astronauts.

I hadn't thought of him! I still haven't figured out the 2009 class discovered in 2017 thing, but that's a whole different story. I'm pretty sure I saw, however, that ESA isn't expecting a seat until 2025. Unless the Crew-9 international astronaut change moves it to 2026, it sounds like Crew-10 may look like Crew-7 in terms of nationalities.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #107 on: 11/30/2023 05:31 pm »
My understanding is that these aren't like what we saw with Shuttle CDR/PLT and MS arrangements. Rendezvous and docking is autonomous, the crew doesn't really require test piloting credentials and Inspiration4 has shown that even non-professional astronauts can fly in all three positions of seniority (CDR, PLT and MS) with only a few months of training. Some in the PLT seat are experienced pilots (Shoffner), others (Proctor) aren't.

Not to denigrate any of them, but I wonder if it really matters if someone is in a PLT seat or an MS seat and whether or not they might fly in a different seat on another mission? Yes, the PLT may fulfil a monitoring role in the spacecraft to a degree, but certainly not to the level that a Shuttle-era PLT did.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #108 on: 01/27/2024 05:36 pm »
Cross post about Crew-9 assignments:

There are a few rumours swirling around (including a very surprising possible candidate for CDR), but let's wait and see...

Maybe one woman pilot from the Navy, from the last NASA 23 group?

The NASA-23, “the flies” group was selected more than two years ago.
Do we know when will they finish their ascan training?

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #109 on: 01/27/2024 05:51 pm »
Cross post about Crew-9 assignments:

There are a few rumours swirling around (including a very surprising possible candidate for CDR), but let's wait and see...

Maybe one woman pilot from the Navy, from the last NASA 23 group?

The NASA-23, “the flies” group was selected more than two years ago.
Do we know when will they finish their ascan training?

They began ASCAN training in January 2022 so should be reaching the end of the two-year program now, after having been in technical assignments for at least the last six months. So I would expect one to be assigned soon, perhaps Crew-10 or so . . . but it's difficult to imagine a newly-certified astronaut flying on Crew-9 . . . an ISS mission requires 2-2.5 years of training. And Crew 9 has been in existence for the better part of a year . . . just not announced.

Also, while we have evidence that Cardman from NASA-22 is on Crew-9, Kim remains unassigned as far as I know. Can't see the agency assigning a 23 before all 22s are in the flow.

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« Last Edit: 01/27/2024 05:55 pm by Michael Cassutt »

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #110 on: 01/28/2024 07:17 pm »
Recently I saw a social media post that showed Zena Cardman and Stephanie Wilson training together. Could the latter be the “surprise announcement”?

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #111 on: 01/28/2024 08:37 pm »
Recently I saw a social media post that showed Zena Cardman and Stephanie Wilson training together. Could the latter be the “surprise announcement”?

Interesting! I had wondered about Wilson, too. There have also been pictures of Cardman in EVA training with Nick Hague, so unless that was unconnected, I wonder if that means it will be Hague-Cardman-Wilson-Gorbunov.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #112 on: 01/29/2024 11:38 am »
There would be nothing surprising to see Wilson on Crew-9 since she was Marshburn's backup on Crew-3.
Even though she hasn't flown since STS-131!

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #113 on: 01/29/2024 02:30 pm »
CDR : Nick Hague
PLT : Zena Cardman
MS-1 : Stephanie Wilson
MS-2 : Aleksandr Gorbunov

???

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #114 on: 01/29/2024 05:00 pm »
There would be nothing surprising to see Wilson on Crew-9 since she was Marshburn's backup on Crew-3.
Even though she hasn't flown since STS-131!

It wouldn't be all that surprising to me if she flew as a mission specialist--not any more surprising than when they bring back any of the other older astronauts who hasn't flown in a while. What would surprise me was if she were assigned as CDR.

CDR : Nick Hague
PLT : Zena Cardman
MS-1 : Stephanie Wilson
MS-2 : Aleksandr Gorbunov

I could see that, especially if Kim doesn't fly this time.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #115 on: 01/29/2024 06:01 pm »
What would surprise me was if she were assigned as CDR.

Why?
She is the most experienced NASA astronaut with Fincke and Pettit.
« Last Edit: 01/29/2024 06:03 pm by vp. »

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #116 on: 01/29/2024 06:14 pm »
Why?
She is the most experienced NASA astronaut with Fincke and Pettit.

Two reasons. Secondarily, I just looked, and her NASA bio just confirmed that she backed up the Crew-3 mission specialists, not the commander and pilot. Primarily, other than Kjell Lindgren, all the Dragon CDRs to date have had a background in either piloting or airplane testing.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #117 on: 01/30/2024 01:08 am »
There would be nothing surprising to see Wilson on Crew-9 since she was Marshburn's backup on Crew-3.
Even though she hasn't flown since STS-131!

It wouldn't be all that surprising to me if she flew as a mission specialist--not any more surprising than when they bring back any of the other older astronauts who hasn't flown in a while.
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Will pointed out that Wilson is approaching retirement. So if she doesn't fly soon, there might not be another opportunity later.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #118 on: 01/30/2024 06:51 am »
At the risk of going off on a tangent (sorry!), there seem to be several astronauts (Pettit, Wilson, Barratt, Wheelock perhaps) who are re-emerging after more than a decade to fly again, some of them approaching or having passed 60 years old.

It was my understanding that until recently 60 was the cut-off point (at least at the point of assignment) for NASA astronauts and I think USOS partner astronauts too. Presumably, this has now changed, but can anyone shed any light on when this process took place? It's great to see the age glass ceiling being broken by Barratt and (hopefully) Pettit too.

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Re: Flight crew assignments questions
« Reply #119 on: 01/30/2024 04:19 pm »
At the risk of going off on a tangent (sorry!), there seem to be several astronauts (Pettit, Wilson, Barratt, Wheelock perhaps) who are re-emerging after more than a decade to fly again, some of them approaching or having passed 60 years old.

It was my understanding that until recently 60 was the cut-off point (at least at the point of assignment) for NASA astronauts and I think USOS partner astronauts too. Presumably, this has now changed, but can anyone shed any light on when this process took place? It's great to see the age glass ceiling being broken by Barratt and (hopefully) Pettit too.

I'd be interested in hearing this, too! For a long time, I can only think of three US or USOS astronauts who were over 60 when they launched on their final flight: Story Musgrave on his last shuttle flight, Paolo Nespoli on Expedition 52/53, and Tom Marshburn on Crew-3.

 

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