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What is the best cargo spaceship currently?

Dragon-2
15 (51.7%)
Cygnus
8 (27.6%)
Dream Chaser
4 (13.8%)
HTV-X
1 (3.4%)
Progress
0 (0%)
Tianzhou
1 (3.4%)
Qingzhou
0 (0%)
Haolong
0 (0%)
Space Rider
0 (0%)

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Offline Tywin

Well, I'm opening this thread to debate which you think is the best cargo spaceship, and why. Some of the choices are very close to flying for the first time.
« Last Edit: 08/22/2025 10:37 am by Tywin »
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Offline AmigaClone

Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #1 on: 08/22/2025 02:01 pm »
Currently, there are four operational cargo spacecraft (Cygnus, Dragon-2, Progress, and Tianzhou). While one of the other five might eventually become the best cargo spacecraft, until they actually perform a mission their actual performance is only theoretical.

I would say that all four operational cargo spacecraft have at least one area they are 'best' at. The retired ATV and HTV both have features that current cargo spacecraft can't match as well.

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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #2 on: 08/22/2025 02:05 pm »
Currently, there are four operational cargo spacecraft (Cygnus, Dragon-2, Progress, and Tianzhou). While one of the other five might eventually become the best cargo spacecraft, until they actually perform a mission their actual performance is only theoretical.

I would say that all four operational cargo spacecraft have at least one area they are 'best' at. The retired ATV and HTV both have features that current cargo spacecraft can't match as well.

JAXA's HTV-X is launching on October 21st.

Offline AmigaClone

Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #3 on: 08/22/2025 02:10 pm »
Currently, there are four operational cargo spacecraft (Cygnus, Dragon-2, Progress, and Tianzhou). While one of the other five might eventually become the best cargo spacecraft, until they actually perform a mission their actual performance is only theoretical.

I would say that all four operational cargo spacecraft have at least one area they are 'best' at. The retired ATV and HTV both have features that current cargo spacecraft can't match as well.

JAXA's HTV-X is launching on October 21st.

HTV-X at this time has my vote for 'best of the unflown' cargo spacecraft since it is based on an earlier version.

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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #4 on: 08/22/2025 02:26 pm »
"Best" is a qualitative term. It is not useful for picking a spacecraft for a particular mission. For a particular mission, you need to compare upmass, downmass, loiter time, docking/berthing capabilities, cost, and availability. If you really care you should create a table with these specs.

Offline Tywin

Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #5 on: 08/22/2025 08:10 pm »
"Best" is a qualitative term. It is not useful for picking a spacecraft for a particular mission. For a particular mission, you need to compare upmass, downmass, loiter time, docking/berthing capabilities, cost, and availability. If you really care you should create a table with these specs.

upmass=

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 docking/berthing capabilities=


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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #6 on: 08/22/2025 09:36 pm »
I suggest choosing 'best' by what's sometimes called 'lifeboat' analysis.
https://strategiccfo.com/articles/management-ownership/who-stays-in-the-lifeboat/

If you had to choose one cargo vessel to eliminate from the fleet, which would you choose? (In the metaphor, this is throwing a person out of the lifeboat.) Continue the process until only one remains. That's the best.
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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #7 on: 08/22/2025 10:15 pm »
Obviously the only one that can bring cargo back.

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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #8 on: 08/22/2025 11:05 pm »
Dragon is the only real one that can bring cargo back down without destroying the downmass.  I think Progress may.  Don't know about the Chinese stuff.  Dragon can bring up and down more than Progress anyway.  Cyngus only destroys downmass, burning it up on the way down.   
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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #9 on: 08/23/2025 10:22 am »
'Is the Dream Chaser space plane ever going to launch into orbit'?
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/08/is-the-dream-chaser-space-plane-ever-going-to-launch-into-orbit/

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When will Sierra Space's winged vehicle, Dream Chaser, finally take flight? Unfortunately, it's still not clear. Almost certainly, however, it won't be this year.

The Dream Chaser space plane has been under development for more than two decades, and it has a huge cult following because its winged shape mimics the iconic Space Shuttle. However, during a recent news briefing, a senior NASA official would only say this about a launch date: "We will be ready for them when they're ready to fly."

The comments came from Dana Weigel, who is the program manager for the International Space Station. Sierra Space has a contract with NASA to deliver cargo to the space station, and its first flight is intended to visit the space station. Weigel was asked about Dream Chaser at a news briefing on Friday, following the successful launch of the Crew-11 mission.

"They're in final assembly," she said of Sierra Space. "They're doing a lot of tests, and they're doing what I call final certification work. Some of the big key areas that they're focused on is the software certification. You've got to test end-to-end all the different software functions. So that's a big focus area for them. And then they're still working on certification in the prop system."

5,000 kg payload and 1,750 return, Docking Abilities Unknown

Offline TrevorMonty

Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #10 on: 08/23/2025 10:58 am »
Dragon is the only real one that can bring cargo back down without destroying the downmass.  I think Progress may.  Don't know about the Chinese stuff.  Dragon can bring up and down more than Progress anyway.  Cyngus only destroys downmass, burning it up on the way down.

Being disposable has some upsides. Cyngus was used to conduct risky fires in vacuum experiments. Something that they wouldn't do with likes of Dragon.
If Cygnus wasn't assigned trash disposable duty, alot of Dragon's downmass would be allocated to trash.

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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #11 on: 08/23/2025 11:49 am »

So, I would say that none of the listed cargo ships is comparable to the TKS. It was a partially reusable cargo ship with a return cargo of up to 500 kilograms, it could also be manned, and entire orbital stations were created on its base.  And that was decades before the modern "very best" appeared, which are listed in the survey.

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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #12 on: 08/23/2025 03:50 pm »
Dragon is the only real one that can bring cargo back down without destroying the downmass.  I think Progress may.  Don't know about the Chinese stuff.  Dragon can bring up and down more than Progress anyway.  Cyngus only destroys downmass, burning it up on the way down.

Being disposable has some upsides. Cyngus was used to conduct risky fires in vacuum experiments. Something that they wouldn't do with likes of Dragon.
If Cygnus wasn't assigned trash disposable duty, alot of Dragon's downmass would be allocated to trash.
If forced to dispose of trash with Dragon, NASA would develop a way to pack it into the trunk as external unpressurized cargo. It's not worth the effort to do this is you already have Cygnus and Progress.

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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #13 on: 08/23/2025 04:34 pm »
These polls are just inane.

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Re: What is the best cargo spaceship currently?
« Reply #14 on: 08/23/2025 11:13 pm »
Voted Tianzhou on the basis that it's got a good flight record and it can lift a huge amount of payload. Which is what you want from a cargo vehicle, surely?
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