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So Rogue Space's OTP-2 launched on SpaceX Transporter 13, and signal seems to have been acquired.

Waiting on commissioning info and when the IVO thruster will be started...

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #3 on: 08/12/2025 10:41 am »
Celestrack page for OTP-2
Nothing other than normal orbital decay thus far.

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Any updates?

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #7 on: 09/12/2025 09:55 am »
Celestrack since 8th Aug. Nothing of note thus far.

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #9 on: 10/08/2025 04:39 pm »
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️


It looks like IVO is live and thrusting folks!!!  🎉🥳🥳🥳🎉


https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2025/10/significant-slowing-of-orbital-decay-of-the-ivo-quantum-drive-satellite.html
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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #10 on: 10/08/2025 04:48 pm »
Obviously if this is confirmed it has huge implications for orbital and above space flight.  However the bigger implications are likely to be the theoretical impacts that confirmation of McCulloch will lead to.
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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #11 on: 10/08/2025 04:57 pm »
What's the test schedule for the Mile Space water-ion thruster that is also on board OTP-2?

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #12 on: 10/08/2025 05:06 pm »
I don’t know the details but it is my understanding that there were an earlier set of tests done for a different technology and that IVO would be last.
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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #13 on: 10/08/2025 05:37 pm »
What's the test schedule for the Mile Space water-ion thruster that is also on board OTP-2?

OTP-2, 63235

Doesn't seem to have noticeably increased altitude.

Rogue Space Linkedin [Sep 11]

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Rogue’s Operational Test Program (OTP)-2 hits 180 days in orbit today!
 
Real on-orbit wins…all payloads commissioned, customer hardware tested, and first photos downlinked / processed using Rogue’s next-generation edge computing Scalable Compute Platform (SCP).
 
Next: On-orbit data-triage & autonomy tests with #SCP, customer payloads keep iterating, and even sharper on-board image processing, where Rogue’s performance and learning translates into smarter, faster, and more resilient hosting.

No information on either Rocketstar Inc's or Mile Space's website.
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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #14 on: 10/08/2025 07:06 pm »
The claim so far is that orbital decay has slowed to date:

Semi Major Axis (SMA) – Main way to measure altitude
Sept 23, 2025. 507.6 kilometres
Sept 25, 2025. 507.4 kilometres
Ssept 27, 2015. 507.2
Sept 28, 2025. 507.1 kilometres
Sept 30, 2025. 506.9 kilometres
Oct 1, 2025. 506.7 kilometres
Oct 2, 2025 506.6 kilometers
Oct 3, 2025 506.5 kilometres
Oct 4, 2025 506.5 kilometres
Oct 5, 2025 506.5 kilometres
Oct 6, 2025 506.5 kilometres
Oct 7, 2025 506.4 kilometres
Oct 8, 2025 506.4 kilometres

From:
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2025/10/significant-slowing-of-orbital-decay-of-the-ivo-quantum-drive-satellite.html
« Last Edit: 10/09/2025 03:00 am by demofsky »

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #15 on: 10/08/2025 08:44 pm »
The claim so far is that orbital decay has slowed to date:
False, what you claimed was:
It looks like IVO is live and thrusting folks!!!  🎉🥳🥳🥳🎉
The article you linked does not support this claim, it even goes on in detail as to why:
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A temporary reduction in upper atmospheric density would slow the orbital decay. It would directly lowers aerodynamic drag on the satellite. This density variation is a natural consequence of space weather dynamics and does not require active intervention like propulsion.

Solar extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation ionizes and heats the thermosphere, puffing it up and increasing density by 20–100% during active periods. Lower F10.7 → cooler, denser contraction → less drag.

September saw elevated activity (monthly F10.7 ~130 sfu), with flares and coronal activity noted mid- and late-month (e.g., farside blasts visible ~Sept 27). Early October quieted (low flare chance by Oct 7), likely dipping daily F10.7 below September averages, reducing heating and density by ~10–20%.

Late September had moderate-to-strong storms (G2–G3 watches Sept 1–2, ongoing activity mid-month). Early October started with a G3 storm (Oct 2, high-speed solar wind stream), causing brief density spike (explaining small drops Oct 2–3). Post-storm quiet (Kp ~4 on Oct 6–8, low activity forecast) allowed rapid cooling, dropping density ~30–50% below storm levels and stabilizing the orbit (no decay Oct 4–6).
Even without looking at the details of what the space weather conditions were like, anyone can plainly look back and see that the altitude has not changed that much in absolute terms the last couple months making the data all comparable, but periods have existed of equally slow orbital decay. This demonstrates this is natural variation.

Your original post stated something as a fact, which is not supported by the evidence you provided.

When you run an experiment like this, you should predict the results before you run the experiment. In this case, if the drive worked the altitude would raise and significantly. Since they have not provided great details on what they have provided (especially since it seems there is an actual ion thruster on board) they should be able to launch this satellite to the moon if it were useful propellantless thrust.

Obviously if this is confirmed it has huge implications for orbital and above space flight.  However the bigger implications are likely to be the theoretical impacts that confirmation of McCulloch will lead to.
This literally cannot confirm McCulloch's theory, because his theory has been disproven multiple times over, both theoretically and experimentally.

See the (locked) thread below for many details:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48497.0
A TL;DR is that the claims of conservation laws are incorrect, other theoretical inconsistencies, and a paper showing math problems and how to correct them which would produce different answers. Experimental issues include his claims about the Pioneer anomaly, multiple predictions of propellantless thrusters that have failed to work, and incorrect claims about other experimental data such as wide binaries.

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #16 on: 10/09/2025 02:58 am »
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Obviously if this is confirmed it has huge implications for orbital and above space flight.  However the bigger implications are likely to be the theoretical impacts that confirmation of McCulloch will lead to.
This literally cannot confirm McCulloch's theory, because his theory has been disproven multiple times over, both theoretically and experimentally.

Let's not be anti-science. Adherence to empiricism says the experiment can prove it, if the data gives a certain result.

The data hasn't (and won't, IMO) show that, but if we say "no experiment could ever prove me wrong" then that veers into unfalsifiable belief and is no longer empirically-based science.

We don't reject McCulloch because it's impossible for it to be proven right. We reject it precisely because it could be proven right, and yet all experimentation has failed to do so.

</end Philosophy of Science nerd>  ;)

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #17 on: 10/09/2025 03:03 am »
I wish this sort of subject simply wasn’t allowed on NSF. Not only is it a waste of time but it impacts negatively on the authority of the site and the excellent material presented within it.

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #18 on: 10/09/2025 04:07 am »
I wish this sort of subject simply wasn’t allowed on NSF. Not only is it a waste of time but it impacts negatively on the authority of the site and the excellent material presented within it.

The New Physics board, I think, is largely maintained as a sort of quarantine/honeypot to prevent it from invading the remainder of the forum. Not perfect, but probably the "least bad" solution...

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Re: IVO Quantised Inertia Thruster orbital testing attempt 2
« Reply #19 on: 10/09/2025 09:12 am »
Plotted the first derivative of the SMA (a good proxy for the decay rate) since March, sourced from the Celestrak data. Decay had been increasing from around mid-August, but has recently returned to the same sort of values as it has been from April to August. That could very well just be a short term increase in atmospheric drag that has now abated.
We don't reject McCulloch because it's impossible for it to be proven right. We reject it precisely because it could be proven right, and yet all experimentation has failed to do so.
No, we reject it because the predictions it makes are contrary to measurements of actual reality, and because the math to make those predictions is often... questionable at best.

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