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FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« on: 03/05/2024 01:50 am »
The FY 2025 NASA Budget will come out on Monday March 11th 2024.

https://www.nasa.gov/budgets-plans-and-reports/
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #1 on: 03/05/2024 03:04 am »
Quote from: Jeff Foust
NASA's Lori Glaze says at the Planetary Science Advisory Cmte meeting this morning that the FY25 budget proposal is still scheduled for release next Monday. (It will make for an interesting NASA Night at LPSC next Monday evening.)

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1764678181896761522

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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #3 on: 03/09/2024 07:43 am »
Cross-post:
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1766176480743027034
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NASA Admin Bill Nelson will give his annual State of NASA speech on Monday (Mar 11) at 1:00 pm ET and participate in a media telecon at 2:30 pm ET to discuss the President's FY2025 budget request, which will be submitted that day. Watch on NASA TV etc.
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #4 on: 03/11/2024 12:30 pm »
See below. The State of NASA will cover the FY25 NASA Budget.

2024 State of NASA Address from Administrator Bill Nelson

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Scheduled for Mar 11, 2024
NASA Administrator Bill Nelson discusses the agency’s goals for the benefit of humanity during the annual State of NASA address on Monday, March 11. Learn about our plans for promoting U.S. leadership in space exploration, improving life on Earth through innovation, humanity’s return to the Moon under the Artemis campaign, and more. Senior leaders from each of NASA’s mission directorates also will discuss advancements in their areas ranging from aeronautics and science research to space operations.
 
Read more: https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-to-highlight-artemis-us-space-leadership-during-annual-address/



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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #5 on: 03/11/2024 03:02 pm »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1767219087564779984

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The FY25 budget documents are out:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/budget_fy2025.pdf

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NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND
SPACE ADMINISTRATION

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) is responsible for sending astronauts and robotic missions to explore the solar system, advancing the Nation's understanding of the Earth and space, and developing new technologies and approaches to improve aviation and space activities. The President's 2025 Budget for NASA enables progress toward priority goals including: exploring the Moon with U.S. and international partner astronauts; understanding the Earth system; conducting a broad space science program consisting of multiple exciting missions; and transitioning from a Government-led to commercially-led space stations.

The Budget requests $25.4 billion in discretionary budget authority for 2025, a 9.1-percent increase since the start of the Administration, to advance space exploration, improve understanding of the Earth and space, develop and test new aviation and space technologies, and to do this all with increased efficiency, including through the use of tools such as artificial intelligence.

The President's 2025 Budget:

Invests in the U.S.-led Artemis Program of Lunar Exploration. The Budget includes $7.8 billion for the Artemis program, which would bring astronauts-including the first wom-en, first people of color, and first international astronauts-to the lunar surface as part of a long-term journey of science and exploration. The Budget invests in new systems to assist lunar surface science and exploration activities, including a small lunar rover and a large cargo lander that would be used to deliver larger rovers and habitats to the surface in the 2030s.

Supports Highly-Efficient and Greener Commercial Airliners. The Budget invests $966 million in NASA's Aeronautics program. Within this topline, the Budget provides a 12-percent increase above the 2023 enacted level for green aviation projects, which would develop hybrid-electric jet engines, lightweight aircraft structures, and a major new flight demonstrator to pave the way for new commercial airliners that would be cheaper to operate and produce less pollution.

Enhances Climate Science and Information. The Budget invests $2.4 billion, $184 million above the 2023 enacted level, in the Earth Science program for missions and activities that advance Earth systems science and also increase accessibility to information to mitigate natural hazards, support climate action, and manage natural resources. This includes $150 million for the next generation of Landsat satellites, ensuring continuity of data that is used for water resource management and climate science. This also includes development of applications and tools to support wildland fire management, provide farmers with information they can use, and better understand greenhouse gas emissions from natural and human-caused sources through the U.S. Greenhouse Gas Center, a multi-agency collaboration to improve data sets and analysis tools.

Advances Exploration of the Solar System and Universe. The Budget provides $5.2 billion for space science, enabling a broad portfolio of missions to explore the solar system and universe. The Budget supports: continued operations of the James Webb Space Telescope; increasing space weather research and applications; and expanding technology maturation efforts at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center to find habitable planets beyond the solar sys-tem. Given that the Mars Sample Return mission is a major part of part of NASA's planetary science budget, the Budget enables NASA's internal assessment of mission architecture options to be completed to address mission cost overruns before providing more details for the $2.7 billion in planetary science budget.

Increases Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) Opportunities at Minority-Serving Institutions. The Budget provides $46 million to the Minority University Research and Education Project, to increase competitive awards to Historically Black Colleges and Universities, Tribal Colleges and Universities, and other Minority-Serving Institutions, and recruit and retain underrepresented and underserved students in STEM fields.

Advances U.S. Space Industry Technology Development. The Budget provides $1.2 billion for NASA's Space Technology portfolio to foster innovative technology research and development to meet the needs of NASA, support the expanding U.S. space industry which is creating a growing number of good jobs, and keep America ahead of competitors at the forefront of space innovation. The Budget funds the close-out of the On-orbit Servicing, Assembly, and Manufacturing mission, freeing up funding to grow early-stage space technology research and development programs, fund additional technology collaboration opportunities between NASA and industry, and fully-fund the Demonstration Rocket for Agile Cislunar Operations nuclear propulsion demonstration project, a cooperative program with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

Continues the Transition to Commercial Space Stations. The Budget funds continued operation of the International Space Station (ISS), a vehicle to safely de-orbit the space station after it is retired in 2030, and the commercial space stations that NASA would use as soon as they become available. The Budget gradually reduces research and other activities on board the ISS in order to provide the funding necessary for the de-orbit vehicle and commercial space stations. The Administration continues to strongly support the transition to commercial space stations in 2030, which would maintain U.S. leadership in low earth orbit and free up resources to allow NASA to make greater investments in cutting-edge science and exploration activities.
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #6 on: 03/11/2024 03:16 pm »
The FY25 budget request of $25.4B for NASA is for the same amount as the FY23 enacted NASA budget.
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #7 on: 03/11/2024 03:36 pm »
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #8 on: 03/11/2024 03:42 pm »
Artemis V is delayed to March 2030, see page 6 of the summary of the FY25 Budget:
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/nasa-fiscal-year-2025-budget-summary.pdf
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #9 on: 03/11/2024 03:53 pm »
$1,896M for the Human Landing System, see page 12 of the summary:
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/nasa-fiscal-year-2025-budget-summary.pdf

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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #10 on: 03/11/2024 04:05 pm »
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President’s NASA FY 2025 Funding Supports US Space, Climate Leadership
MAR 11, 2024

RELEASE 24-037

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The Biden-Harris Administration Monday released the President’s Budget for Fiscal Year 2025, which includes funding to invest in America and the American people and will allow NASA to continue advancing our understanding of Earth and space while inspiring the world through discovery.

“As history has proven, as the present has shown, and as the future will continue to demonstrate, an investment in NASA is an investment in America for the benefit of humanity,” said NASA Administrator Bill Nelson. “President Biden’s budget will fund our nation’s abilities and leadership for the future of space exploration, scientific discovery, cutting-edge technology, climate data, the next generation of aeronautics, and inspiring our future leaders – the Artemis Generation.”

The budget allows NASA to launch the Artemis II mission, which will send astronauts around the Moon for the first time in more than 50 years, research Earth’s changing climate, grow commercial markets to serve America’s interests in space, and inspire the Artemis Generation of science, technology, engineering, and math professionals.

“This budget shows NASA’s value in contributing to the global leadership of the United States,” said Nelson. “Every dollar supports our ability to continue exploring new cosmic shores and making the impossible possible, all while creating competitive and good-paying jobs in all 50 states.”

At NASA, the budget request would:

Invest in the U.S.-led Artemis campaign of lunar exploration: The budget includes $7.8 billion for the Artemis campaign, which will bring astronauts – including the first woman, first person of color, and first international astronaut –to the lunar surface starting this decade as part of a long-term journey of science and exploration.

Enhance climate science and information: The budget invests $2.4 billion in the Earth science program for missions and activities that advance Earth systems science and increase accessibility to information to mitigate natural hazards, support climate action, and manage natural resources.

Advance U.S. space industry technology development: The budget provides $1.2 billion for NASA’s space technology portfolio to foster innovative technology research and development to meet the needs of NASA, support the expanding U.S. space industry, which is creating a growing number of good jobs, and keep America ahead of competitors at the forefront of space innovation.

Support highly efficient and greener commercial airliners: The budget invests $966 million in NASA’s aeronautics program, which will develop hybrid-electric jet engines, lightweight aircraft structures, and a major new flight demonstrator to pave the way for new commercial airliners that would be cheaper to operate and produce less pollution.

Continue the transition to commercial space stations: The budget funds continued operation of the International Space Station, a vehicle to safely de-orbit the space station after it is retired in 2030, and the commercial space stations that NASA will use as soon as they become available.

Increase STEM opportunities at minority-serving institutions: The budget provides $46 million to the Minority University Research and Education Project, to increase competitive awards to Historically Black Colleges and Universities, tribal colleges and universities, and other minority-serving institutions, and recruit and retain underrepresented and underserved students in STEM fields.

Following historic progress made since the President took office – with nearly 15 million jobs created and inflation down two-thirds – the budget protects and builds on this progress by lowering costs for working families and reducing the deficit by cracking down on fraud, cutting wasteful spending, and making the wealthy and corporations pay their fair share.

For more information on NASA’s fiscal year 2025 budget request, visit:

https://www.nasa.gov/budget

-end-
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #11 on: 03/11/2024 04:25 pm »
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/nasa-fy-2025-congressional-justification.pdf has more details. The biggest change is a ~$500M reduction in planetary science from $3,216.5M in "Op Plan 2023" to $2,731.5M (pages 4-5).  Everything in planetary science is close to flat except for MSR which is listed as "TBD". It appears that "TBD" actually means "approximately 0" and President Biden, like Congress, wants to take credit for the money saved by canceling MSR but wants to avoid responsibility for the resulting job losses.

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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #13 on: 03/11/2024 09:19 pm »
NASA says spending caps force “hard choices” for its 2025 budget:
https://spacenews.com/nasa-says-spending-caps-force-hard-choices-for-its-2025-budget/

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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #15 on: 03/12/2024 06:56 am »
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #16 on: 03/16/2024 12:02 am »
NASA says spending caps force “hard choices” for its 2025 budget:
https://spacenews.com/nasa-says-spending-caps-force-hard-choices-for-its-2025-budget/

Anyone who knows me can guess what hard choice I think NASA should be making in a era of increased ambitions but capped budgets...

(though making that choice probably won't be politically feasible until Starship and New Glenn are regularly flying)...

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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #17 on: 03/16/2024 02:18 am »
Anyone who knows me can guess what hard choice I think NASA should be making in a era of increased ambitions but capped budgets...

(though making that choice probably won't be politically feasible until Starship and New Glenn are regularly flying)...

I hope political feasibility would come a bit sooner than that. It's not like SLS has a high flight rate that Starship and New Glenn need to match. Maybe it would be enough if the most recent Starship flight and the most recent New Glenn flight both deployed their payloads successfully and recovered their boosters. That could occur as soon as New Glenn's maiden flight later this year. One could then argue that these vehicles are crewed-exploration-sized vehicles (cite Augustine report, Artemis landers) following in the partial reuse footsteps of the successful Falcon 9.

Political feasibility won't happen before Congress is supposed to pass the FY '25 budget but may come before Congress actually passes the budget in October or later.
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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #18 on: 03/16/2024 03:54 pm »
I hope political feasibility would come a bit sooner than that. It's not like SLS has a high flight rate that Starship and New Glenn need to match. Maybe it would be enough if the most recent Starship flight and the most recent New Glenn flight both deployed their payloads successfully and recovered their boosters. That could occur as soon as New Glenn's maiden flight later this year. One could then argue that these vehicles are crewed-exploration-sized vehicles (cite Augustine report, Artemis landers) following in the partial reuse footsteps of the successful Falcon 9.

Political feasibility won't happen before Congress is supposed to pass the FY '25 budget but may come before Congress actually passes the budget in October or later.

I think that Congress isn't likely to look at this from the perspective of "what's the approach that gives the best ROI for the people of this country given capped budgets?" and instead will be in "remove all doubt that Starship and/or New Glenn can perform this mission, and only then will we consider abandoning our campaign contributor's cash cow" mode. Though you make a good point, with the election this year, no NASA authorization or appropriation bill is likely to be signed before the end of the year. It'll be the new congress calling the shots, and by that point it's likely that both Starship and New Glenn may have had one or more successful flights. I doubt it will be enough by that point to make the call though. But I could see the FY 26 PBR pushing in that direction.

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Re: FY 2025 NASA Budget (March 11th)
« Reply #19 on: 03/16/2024 04:21 pm »
I hope political feasibility would come a bit sooner than that. It's not like SLS has a high flight rate that Starship and New Glenn need to match. Maybe it would be enough if the most recent Starship flight and the most recent New Glenn flight both deployed their payloads successfully and recovered their boosters. That could occur as soon as New Glenn's maiden flight later this year. One could then argue that these vehicles are crewed-exploration-sized vehicles (cite Augustine report, Artemis landers) following in the partial reuse footsteps of the successful Falcon 9.

Political feasibility won't happen before Congress is supposed to pass the FY '25 budget but may come before Congress actually passes the budget in October or later.

I think that Congress isn't likely to look at this from the perspective of "what's the approach that gives the best ROI for the people of this country given capped budgets?" and instead will be in "remove all doubt that Starship and/or New Glenn can perform this mission, and only then will we consider abandoning our campaign contributor's cash cow" mode. Though you make a good point, with the election this year, no NASA authorization or appropriation bill is likely to be signed before the end of the year. It'll be the new congress calling the shots, and by that point it's likely that both Starship and New Glenn may have had one or more successful flights. I doubt it will be enough by that point to make the call though. But I could see the FY 26 PBR pushing in that direction.

~Jon
I think you are overly optimistic. SLS and Orion (and the BO HLS) are pure pork jobs programs. The relevant legislators have almost no interest in space or results other than the benefit to their campaign contributors and their districts. They are not interested in benefit to the US taxpayer. Artemis and its ostensible goals are irrelevant, and in fact Artemis itself was put together to give the ongoing SLS and Orion programs a plausible-sounding goal. If NASA were instead given a mandate to create a moon landing and exploration program, they would cancel SLS and Orion.

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