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Re: Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #460 on: 07/28/2022 06:28 am »
Cross posting this.

Yet more bad news for the Starliner project.

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Boeing disclosed a charge of $93 million in the second quarter for its Starliner astronaut capsule program, bringing the program’s overrun costs to nearly $700 million.

The aerospace giant said the latest charge was “primarily driven by launch manifest updates and additional costs associated with OFT-2,” or Orbital Flight Test 2. The second uncrewed flight of Starliner successfully completed a six-day-long mission in May, reaching a critical test objective – docking with the International Space Station – as Boeing prepares for the capsule to carry astronauts.

Boeing’s latest Starliner-related charge means the company has absorbed $688 million in costs from delays and additional work on the capsule to date.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/27/boeing-starliner-astronaut-capsule-charges-near-700-million.html
That may be "bad" news, but that statement by itself does not imply that the expected crewed flight test at the end of the year will be delayed yet again.
Well it’s certainly bad news for Boeing having to eat those extra costs. And it’s bad optics for the program.

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Re: Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #461 on: 08/01/2022 04:29 am »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1550159199472009216

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At today’s Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel, Susan Helms says NASA and Boeing still reviewing data from the OFT-2 Starliner mission in May. She notes NASA has seen “improved transparency” from the Boeing team, credited to a change in Boeing management and increased staffing.

Which begs the question.  How bad, exactly, in detail, was the transparency before?
Best quote heard during an inspection, "I was unaware that I was the only one who was aware."

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Re: Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #462 on: 08/01/2022 01:35 pm »
Cross posting this.

Yet more bad news for the Starliner project.

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Boeing disclosed a charge of $93 million in the second quarter for its Starliner astronaut capsule program, bringing the program’s overrun costs to nearly $700 million.

The aerospace giant said the latest charge was “primarily driven by launch manifest updates and additional costs associated with OFT-2,” or Orbital Flight Test 2. The second uncrewed flight of Starliner successfully completed a six-day-long mission in May, reaching a critical test objective – docking with the International Space Station – as Boeing prepares for the capsule to carry astronauts.

Boeing’s latest Starliner-related charge means the company has absorbed $688 million in costs from delays and additional work on the capsule to date.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/27/boeing-starliner-astronaut-capsule-charges-near-700-million.html
That may be "bad" news, but that statement by itself does not imply that the expected crewed flight test at the end of the year will be delayed yet again.
Well it’s certainly bad news for Boeing having to eat those extra costs. And it’s bad optics for the program.
I think the idea of "bad optics" isn't a good fit. Space fans and the general public are not the customer. Boeing sells to military and government procurers and congress - not the general public. The public has a pretty poor general view of Boeing, but that hasn't ever interrupted the shoveling of money towards them.

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Re: Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #463 on: 08/14/2022 03:26 pm »
Based on current estimates, is there a chance to see Starliner and Crew Dragon at the ISS at the same time?

[zubenelgenubi: I split/merged this not-L2 splinter discussion to the public side discussion thread.]
« Last Edit: 08/17/2022 04:26 pm by zubenelgenubi »

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Re: Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #464 on: 08/14/2022 03:31 pm »
Based on current estimates, as there a chance to see Starliner and Crew Dragon at the ISS at the same time?
I don't understand the question. Since November 2020 there has always been a Crew Dragon at ISS, right? Thus, when the Starliner CFT flight visits ISS, there will be a Starliner and a Crew Dragon at ISS. When OFT-2 visited ISS, both were there at the same time.
« Last Edit: 08/17/2022 04:26 pm by zubenelgenubi »

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Re: Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #465 on: 08/15/2022 06:29 am »
Based on current estimates, as there a chance to see Starliner and Crew Dragon at the ISS at the same time?
I don't understand the question. Since November 2020 there has always been a Crew Dragon at ISS, right? Thus, when the Starliner CFT flight visits ISS, there will be a Starliner and a Crew Dragon at ISS. When OFT-2 visited ISS, both were there at the same time.
There was a brief gap between Crew-2 and Crew-3. No guarantees of that not happening again, and as long as the seat-swap agreement continues it can happen without leaving the ISS without any US crewmembers.
« Last Edit: 08/17/2022 04:27 pm by zubenelgenubi »

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Re: Boeing's Starliner (CST-100) - Discussion Thread 6
« Reply #466 on: 08/15/2022 02:23 pm »
Based on current estimates, as there a chance to see Starliner and Crew Dragon at the ISS at the same time?
I don't understand the question. Since November 2020 there has always been a Crew Dragon at ISS, right? Thus, when the Starliner CFT flight visits ISS, there will be a Starliner and a Crew Dragon at ISS. When OFT-2 visited ISS, both were there at the same time.
There was a brief gap between Crew-2 and Crew-3. No guarantees of that not happening again, and as long as the seat-swap agreement continues it can happen without leaving the ISS without any US crewmembers.
Yep, a 3-day gap due to last-minute scheduling problems meant that the handover did not occur on-station as it is normally supposed to do. If Starliner starts flying in alternation with Crew Dragon as planned, we should expect to see Starliner and Crew Dragon docked concurrently at ISS during every CCP handover, about twice a year. This in addition to any flights that might send a non-CCP Crew Dragon to ISS when a CCP Starliner is present or vice versa. (Sorry of this non-L2 post. I will put any other responses elsewhere.)
« Last Edit: 08/17/2022 04:27 pm by zubenelgenubi »

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