Here is a FISO presentation on the Artemis Base Camp: "An Early Vision for the Artemis Base Camp" Jeff George, NASA JSC and Bret Drake, Aerospace Corp., April 14, 2021:http://fiso.spiritastro.net/telecon19-21/George-Drake_4-14-21/
"The thing I'm most excited about" with NASA's Artemis "is all of the surface elements," since "Starship is fundamentally designed to transport very, very large amounts of cargo."SpaceX is "excited to integrate things like habitats and rovers and supplies" with Starship to make a "rich ecosystem of technologies" for an "incredible Moon base."I can say Moon base, right? We're at a space conference.Thinking about a Moon base analogous to Everest base camp, "staffed by hundreds or thousands of scientists and explorers.
There are a lot of chances this will be an international module, mostly with european contribution (as Japan is supposed to make the pressurized rover as its contribution to a lunar base camp). Italy is very interested in this and might pull the rest of ESA members to do it.
If each habitat lands by itself won't this requires some sort of minimum distance between the habitats in order to avoid damage from dust plumes? This would be especially bad for habitats with integrated foldable solar panels.Moving habitats after landing would require heavy equipment on the lunar surface. Connecting them like ISS modules would be even harder.
If each habitat lands by itself won't this requires some sort of minimum distance between the habitats in order to avoid damage from dust plumes? This would be especially bad for habitats with integrated foldable solar panels.Moving habitats after landing would require heavy equipment on the lunar surface. Connecting them like ISS modules would be even harder.This issue tilts the scale in favor of starting with a single large starship-based habitat, maybe even in a "wet workshop" configuration.There are other solutions:* Moving solar panels to a dedicated solar farm* Clearing the landing pads from dust and debris (how?)* Place landing engines at the top of the habitat so plume interacts less with regolith
Quote from: pochimax on 02/17/2022 06:59 amThere are a lot of chances this will be an international module, mostly with european contribution (as Japan is supposed to make the pressurized rover as its contribution to a lunar base camp). Italy is very interested in this and might pull the rest of ESA members to do it.I suppose that you need a lander to land the habitat on the Moon. Would ESA use the European Large Logistics Lander for this?<snip>
Quote from: DreamyPickle on 02/18/2022 05:49 amIf each habitat lands by itself won't this requires some sort of minimum distance between the habitats in order to avoid damage from dust plumes? This would be especially bad for habitats with integrated foldable solar panels.Moving habitats after landing would require heavy equipment on the lunar surface. Connecting them like ISS modules would be even harder.This issue tilts the scale in favor of starting with a single large starship-based habitat, maybe even in a "wet workshop" configuration.There are other solutions:* Moving solar panels to a dedicated solar farm* Clearing the landing pads from dust and debris (how?)* Place landing engines at the top of the habitat so plume interacts less with regolithMaybe it just comes down to cost (in a time of ever decreasing budgets)? If NASA go to SpaceX in say 5 years and ask how much would another say 2 HLS landers cost to launch and park permanently on the moon vs the cost of a bespoke design that also needs to be launched and delivered to the moon surface.Could be a lot cheaper to buy and park a HLS SS vs a custom hab.
Quote from: pochimax on 02/17/2022 06:59 amThere are a lot of chances this will be an international module, mostly with european contribution (as Japan is supposed to make the pressurized rover as its contribution to a lunar base camp). Italy is very interested in this and might pull the rest of ESA members to do it.I suppose that you need a lander to land the habitat on the Moon. Would ESA use the European Large Logistics Lander for this?
I suppose that you need a lander to land the habitat on the Moon. Would ESA use the European Large Logistics Lander for this?I found this article on Italy's involvement with lunar habitats:http://www.parabolicarc.com/2021/02/13/italy-takes-first-steps-towards-the-moon/
The feasibility study has a duration of 10 months and must lead to the design of a multipurpose, flexible and evolvable pressurized structure, able to adapt to a wide range of applications. The first of these is the crew cabin of the NASA Human Landing System (HLS), which is also being designed by a team led by the US company Dynetics, for which Thales Alenia Space Italia is also involved.
SpaceX director Nicholas Cummings:https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1494394283188797443Quote from: Nicholas Cummings"The thing I'm most excited about" with NASA's Artemis "is all of the surface elements," since "Starship is fundamentally designed to transport very, very large amounts of cargo."SpaceX is "excited to integrate things like habitats and rovers and supplies" with Starship to make a "rich ecosystem of technologies" for an "incredible Moon base."I can say Moon base, right? We're at a space conference.Thinking about a Moon base analogous to Everest base camp, "staffed by hundreds or thousands of scientists and explorers.
I was thinking that it would be easier to use Starship to deliver a modular design to the lunar surface but I am not sure how that would work.
In this episode, Senior Fellow in Defense Studies Peter Garretson interviews Dennis Wingo, CEO of SkyCorp, Inc. and author of Moonrush. They discuss the strategic rationale for space development and industrialization, the strategic importance of the Moon, the grand strategy consequences of failure, and the proper division of labor between government and the private sector. Dennis lays out a vision for Lunar development, and concrete policy steps to mobilize private capital and accelerate Lunar industrial development.
In the DRMs [for the LETS RFI], two cargo missions have been added, one for the foundation surface habitat and another one for the pressurized rover:Quote from: pages 9 and 10 of the DRMs documentCARGO DESIGN REFERENCE MISSION 001 (CL-CDRM-001)CDRM-001 is a large cargo delivery mission to the lunar South Pole region. The cargo lander will deliver the Foundation Surface Habitat (FSH) to the Artemis Base Camp (ABC).CARGO DESIGN REFERENCE MISSION 00[2] (CL-CDRM-002)CDRM-002 is a large cargo delivery mission to the lunar South Pole region. The cargo lander will deliver the Pressurized Rover (PR) near the Artemis Base Camp (ABC).
CARGO DESIGN REFERENCE MISSION 001 (CL-CDRM-001)CDRM-001 is a large cargo delivery mission to the lunar South Pole region. The cargo lander will deliver the Foundation Surface Habitat (FSH) to the Artemis Base Camp (ABC).CARGO DESIGN REFERENCE MISSION 00[2] (CL-CDRM-002)CDRM-002 is a large cargo delivery mission to the lunar South Pole region. The cargo lander will deliver the Pressurized Rover (PR) near the Artemis Base Camp (ABC).