I like the idea of a thread for the start of the mars invasion. If spacex is serious about the 2022 start shouldn't we be seeing the start of payload development or testing. If there any clue from talks or job postings. Is there paperwork that needs to be filed to land an installation on mars ?
The first three things I see happening are "rolling" out the solar panels (includes the electrical cables) to connect a solar energy starship that is full of batteries and their controllers. This provides a distribution point (of which there may be more than one initially). The second thing I see is plugging in the In-Ship ISRU landed nearby to the energy starship. It may need to bring along some seed stocks so it can be fired up after plugging in to make sure that things work prior to humans arriving on the scene. Finally deploying a "Prufrock" to begin digging some tunnels deep enough into the regolith to create some initial seal-able volume where a couple of pressure hatches can be installed. These items seem necessary to create a work camp that can be used for the oxygen breathers while other more friendly elements are built.They might not be able to be fully fitted out fully robotically but they should be able to run the solar panels out and plug in to the ISRU ship. I'm not talking full AI type robotics here, btw, I'm suggesting a moderate amount of capability and earth based teleoperation.These type of things could be practiced on earth before shipping to make sure we have all the parts packed. Nothing like a long trip and leaving something essential behind.Perhaps we can also add to the discussion by describing how the testing should be done. All of the parts of an ECLSS and communications network have to be included eventually.My opening thoughts on this subject.Thanks for opening the post, I'm hugely interested in this.-gg
I expect the first landing, before any humans, will have a at least pair of winch-equipped cybertrucks and at least 4 Boston Dynamics Spots with manipulator arms. Bonus points if the cybertruck bed mounts can be customized using spot manipulators, so all the heavy work vehicals can use the same chassis.With 2 years for site prep, you can get a lot done even with "hand tools."
The first three things I see happening are "rolling" out the solar panels (includes the electrical cables) to connect a solar energy starship that is full of batteries and their controllers. This provides a distribution point (of which there may be more than one initially).......
Very interested in the ground conditions at the landing site. Last year a NASA probe tried to drill for water but hit very hard regolith or stone and couldn’t complete the operation. If the ground at the SS landing site is this hard, then the procedure for digging a shallow trench with a loader, as implied by the my sketch above, won’t work. Some other approach will be needed.
Quote from: Ionmars on 07/08/2020 01:11 pmVery interested in the ground conditions at the landing site. Last year a NASA probe tried to drill for water but hit very hard regolith or stone and couldn’t complete the operation. If the ground at the SS landing site is this hard, then the procedure for digging a shallow trench with a loader, as implied by the my sketch above, won’t work. Some other approach will be needed.That is why I think any initial build up on Mars will be slow. These issues have to be figured out or a lot of money and time will be wasted.
Quote from: GregTheGrumpy on 07/07/2020 03:25 amThe first three things I see happening are "rolling" out the solar panels (includes the electrical cables) to connect a solar energy starship that is full of batteries and their controllers. This provides a distribution point (of which there may be more than one initially). ...... ......I believe Elon has described solar rollout as similar to using a party-favor “blowout" to uncoil a linear strip of flexible solar panels.
The first three things I see happening are "rolling" out the solar panels (includes the electrical cables) to connect a solar energy starship that is full of batteries and their controllers. This provides a distribution point (of which there may be more than one initially). ......
Quote from: rakaydos on 07/08/2020 12:47 pmI expect the first landing, before any humans, will have a at least pair of winch-equipped cybertrucks and at least 4 Boston Dynamics Spots with manipulator arms. Bonus points if the cybertruck bed mounts can be customized using spot manipulators, so all the heavy work vehicals can use the same chassis.With 2 years for site prep, you can get a lot done even with "hand tools."Sounds like a good approach for initial exploration of the site. Any ideas for the program of operation?
Quote from: Eric Hedman on 07/08/2020 02:28 pmQuote from: Ionmars on 07/08/2020 01:11 pmVery interested in the ground conditions at the landing site. Last year a NASA probe tried to drill for water but hit very hard regolith or stone and couldn’t complete the operation. If the ground at the SS landing site is this hard, then the procedure for digging a shallow trench with a loader, as implied by the my sketch above, won’t work. Some other approach will be needed.That is why I think any initial build up on Mars will be slow. These issues have to be figured out or a lot of money and time will be wasted.Sometimes "wasting" time and money is a good thing, when the cost of not doing something is very high.SpaceX seem very willing to take this approach with Starship, and will likely be just as willing with a Mars base/settlement/colony/city.
Quote from: Ionmars on 07/07/2020 09:40 pmQuote from: GregTheGrumpy on 07/07/2020 03:25 amThe first three things I see happening are "rolling" out the solar panels (includes the electrical cables) to connect a solar energy starship that is full of batteries and their controllers. This provides a distribution point (of which there may be more than one initially). ...... ......I believe Elon has described solar rollout as similar to using a party-favor “blowout" to uncoil a linear strip of flexible solar panels. AIUI Elon’s blowout would have the solar cells s embedded onto a flat balloon-like strip. The balloon would be rolled up into a tight coil, which would be under tension to maintain the coil shape. To activate, air (Mars atmosphere) would be pumped into the balloon, forcing it to uncoil into a straight panel with solar cells facing upward. Some party blowouts:
I believe the party favor style will be used but only in a limited way. The best use of the party favor idea is as cargo in the engine bay pods. That way blowing them can lay them out as the very first thing done on the surface. The early and simple deployment allows enough electrical power to start all of the other deployment activities.......Lamontange's and other deployment systems need half the mass delivered per watt. They can accurately lay out a grid so connecting wires length can be standardized. They can automatically anchor the roll so wind doesn't move it.Party favors make lots of sense for the very first power laid out but have huge drawbacks for installing longterm power.