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Re: Woodward Effect - Thread 2
« Reply #640 on: 07/28/2022 12:15 am »
Mach effect thruster confirmation?  Space time manipulation for propulsion confirmed it would seem, at least impulse engines. .
If they lower the frequency for the mach effect thrust using said masses does it come close to the prediction of the merging black holes? https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/science/two-black-holes-merged-into-one-that-launched-away-at-5-million-kilometres-per-hour-7888578/

No new physics needed for the Woodward mach effect but it would be new to human engineering, and no you don't need black holes to do it.  Variables that change the effect are frequency, and quality of resonance.  I think inreoduction of magnetic and electric fields will also change the effect.

No, merging two black holes resulting in a high hyperbolic velocity is clearly a translation of the VERY high angular momentum of two spinning black holes conversion from angular to linear momentum. Nothing particularly relativistic about it, though at those gravities, relativity probably had some input on the output.
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Re: Woodward Effect - Thread 2
« Reply #641 on: 07/28/2022 12:17 am »
If the drive works under these conditions, then it works.  That the drive "works" seems very on topic to me.
Except for it having nothing to do with any of Woodward's theories, the Mach Effect, or anything other than the many other schemes to exploit General Relativity and black holes for propulsion as convenient mass/energy converters, and thus being off-topic here. The link to the paper was for the record, because pop-sci newspaper reporting based off of university press releases is of little value beyond alerting that a paper has been published.

That black holes can recoil during a merger lends no credence to any sort of 'gravity wave drive'. Or any drive that does not involve merging black holes, because you need to supply many tens of solar masses to slap about at high velocities to generate those waves.

Woodward hasn't postulated a theory, he's applying known General Relativity and the ADM model of the electron to provide a known mathematical basis for a possible ability to manipulate inertial to create propellantless thrust within the laws of conservation. If you had actually read Woodward's book you'd understand this.
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Re: Woodward Effect - Thread 2
« Reply #642 on: 07/28/2022 01:09 am »
No, merging two black holes resulting in a high hyperbolic velocity is clearly a translation of the VERY high angular momentum of two spinning black holes conversion from angular to linear momentum. Nothing particularly relativistic about it, though at those gravities, relativity probably had some input on the output.
What you just quoted was ruled off-topic by the mods as it is talking about standard physics, but just FYI: You can't simply convert angular momentum to linear momentum. The only reason black holes can accelerate when merging is because they emit massive amounts of gravitational waves, which carry energy and momentum in the opposite direction. (The angular momentum of the spinning as they merge has an impact on generating the gravitational waves in the first place, but that is different than converting between linear and angular momentum, which literally have different units to begin with.)

If the drive works under these conditions, then it works.  That the drive "works" seems very on topic to me.
Except for it having nothing to do with any of Woodward's theories, the Mach Effect, or anything other than the many other schemes to exploit General Relativity and black holes for propulsion as convenient mass/energy converters, and thus being off-topic here. The link to the paper was for the record, because pop-sci newspaper reporting based off of university press releases is of little value beyond alerting that a paper has been published.

That black holes can recoil during a merger lends no credence to any sort of 'gravity wave drive'. Or any drive that does not involve merging black holes, because you need to supply many tens of solar masses to slap about at high velocities to generate those waves.

Woodward hasn't postulated a theory, he's applying known General Relativity and the ADM model of the electron to provide a known mathematical basis for a possible ability to manipulate inertial to create propellantless thrust within the laws of conservation. If you had actually read Woodward's book you'd understand this.
Completely false. Woodward's theory is inconsistent with standard GR. Mach's Principle as formulated by him is different than the Mach's principle built into GR. This has been covered here more than once.

 

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