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Offline acsawdey

It looks like they are collecting and hauling off water.  They have the site pretty well damned off, but I can't see it being much good for rain during storms. It might be mainly for the stuff coming up the wicks.



What's that green thing in the first pic? Portable scale to tell how much material came in?

"Model 60/200E High Volume Dual De-Muck System"

http://www.hydroblaster.com/files/60-200E.pdf

Looks like it's to keep the bulldozers and other things clean and operational at the site?

I think the green thing is part of it too.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1881 on: 04/25/2016 08:12 pm »
Yes, green thing looks like weight bridge for trucks, though there is nothing portable about these puppies  :)
The water tanks could be for washing off truck wheels so soil is not tracked onto the public road...

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1882 on: 04/25/2016 08:37 pm »
"Model 60/200E High Volume Dual De-Muck System"

http://www.hydroblaster.com/files/60-200E.pdf
So basically just a big pressure washer.

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Yes, green thing looks like weight bridge for trucks, though there is nothing portable about these puppies  :)
The water tanks could be for washing off truck wheels so soil is not tracked onto the public road...

The green thing is in the picture in hydroblaster's spec pdf -- I think it is what recovers the water, which it then filters and reuses.

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Heavy mud and dirt accumulations can be remove quickly with the Hydroblaster Demucking system.  Water is fully recycled from your wastewater collection system, just place our wastewater pickup (pumping) system in your sump.  Water is automatically fed to the Demucking systems solids separation tank.  Particulates as low as 40 microns will be removed before water is used by the pumping system(s).

At a rate of 30 gallons per minute water is forced through an adjustable nozzling system at 200 PSI allowing the operator to use a gentle fan or direct stream of water for heavy accumulations. Dozers, front end loaders, back hoes and all heavy equipment can be cleaned much faster with this system.

Standard equipment includes; NEMA 4X electrical enclosure, push button on/off pump controls, pressure gauge, low intake water protection system, automatic fresh water makeup and pump bypass system.

Single and Dual operator systems are available, call us for more information on this unique system.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1884 on: 04/25/2016 10:09 pm »
It looks like they are collecting and hauling off water.  They have the site pretty well damned off, but I can't see it being much good for rain during storms. It might be mainly for the stuff coming up the wicks.

They have sediment barriers attached to the fencing; it's part of the State environmental regulation to control silt around creeks and wet lands.  Same issue with the mud on trucks. and the washer.  I would expect to see invasive specie controls too.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1885 on: 04/25/2016 11:44 pm »
SPI eyes Chaos building as SpaceX viewing site
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/premium/article_041a4484-0a95-11e6-bb18-abdfe5478152.html
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SOUTH PADRE ISLAND — A city eyesore is now considered an ideal location for a SpaceX rocket launch viewing center.

The idea of the city purchasing the Chaos building and property is on hold for now as city leaders say they need for more time to decide whether to move forward with the project.

“We’re not completely abandoning the project. The City Council will revisit that in the near future,” Mayor Barry Patel said.

But the mayor adds, “I would love to see that building purchased and torn down to have a nice SpaceX viewing building there.”
« Last Edit: 04/25/2016 11:45 pm by Dave G »

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1886 on: 04/26/2016 01:31 am »
 That green tank/bridge is the only way in or out. With trucks coming as often as every 2 minutes, that system must be fast. It looks like a little conveyor belt or something dumps the muck at the end. I'll catch it in action when they start the next phase.

 I circumnavigated the site just to see if I'd get attacked by a Predator drone or something, but I think they save those for Reddit people. If you zoom in, you can see Organics mountain under the earthmovers, which someone circled in the Google shot. Also surrounded by a plastic barrier.


What's that green thing in the first pic? Portable scale to tell how much material came in?


« Last Edit: 04/26/2016 01:59 am by Nomadd »
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That green tank/bridge is the only way in or out. With trucks coming as often as every 2 minutes, that system must be fast. It looks like a little conveyor belt or something dumps the muck at the end. I'll catch it in action when they start the next phase.

Yet another Hydroblaster product, apparently: https://www.hydroblaster.com/HydropadPortableWashRack.htm

Doesn't seem like you could do more than a cursory spray-off of a dump truck in 2 minutes though.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1888 on: 04/26/2016 06:52 pm »
That green tank/bridge is the only way in or out. With trucks coming as often as every 2 minutes, that system must be fast. It looks like a little conveyor belt or something dumps the muck at the end. I'll catch it in action when they start the next phase.

Yet another Hydroblaster product, apparently: https://www.hydroblaster.com/HydropadPortableWashRack.htm

Doesn't seem like you could do more than a cursory spray-off of a dump truck in 2 minutes though.
Looks like they got a Hydroblaster instant carwash.

The demucker has two spray lines, 30gpm each.  The water drains onto the Hydropad (giant dishrack), under the spray wall into the gutter.  The gutter has a conveyor in it that pulls solids uphill, and lets water drain downhill where it gets recycled.

The demucker and Hydropad were linked earlier.  Here's the self-cleaning gutter:
https://www.hydroblaster.com/SelfCleaningGutters.htm

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1889 on: 04/27/2016 09:43 pm »
 So much for the "It looks like they're finished with this stage" theory. The trucks are going at it full tilt today.

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who couldn't hear the music.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1890 on: 04/27/2016 11:06 pm »
So much for the "It looks like they're finished with this stage" theory. The trucks are going at it full tilt today.

With that Hydroblaster installation, maybe they are just getting started...

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1891 on: 04/30/2016 12:43 pm »
Why 2018 Will Be the Make-Or-Break Year for SpaceX
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2) Opening the World's First Commercial Orbital Launch Site

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SpaceX's plan to dominate the solar system includes building a spaceport on the beach in Brownsville, Texas. The site was supposed to be open in 2016, but problems have pushed that back to 2018. According to local media, the delay was caused by troubles stabilizing the foundation. For months, dump trucks have been bringing dirt to create a decent place to build the facilities. By the end of the process, 310,000 cubic yards of soil will be needed.

Building a custom-made spaceport is a colossal challenge, but it'd be worth it for Musk. There are many more players at the established spaceports in Florida and California, which means SpaceX has to wait its turn for a launch. When you're sharing the queue with NASA and the Air Force, your private space missions can be put at the back of the line. Reaching a fast launch and recovery tempo is vital to making access to space easier and cheaper. That's why SpaceX has been pushing the recoverable rocket program so hard, and why this launch site is so important.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1892 on: 05/01/2016 10:01 am »
Seeing as how Elon has just tweeted that Falcon Heavy will have a lift-off thrust of 5.1 million pounds, I think Nomadd may have to invest in some good earplugs!  Gonna be exciting times in Boca Chica.
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1893 on: 05/01/2016 03:22 pm »
Seeing as how Elon has just tweeted that Falcon Heavy will have a lift-off thrust of 5.1 million pounds, I think Nomadd may have to invest in some good earplugs!  Gonna be exciting times in Boca Chica.

Right.  No joke, the EIS mentions the phrase "hearing protection" 13 times.  They even have a table on it.

But if Nomadd wants to save a copule of bucks, the EIS also says:
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SpaceX would also make hearing protection devices available to residents to reduce noise levels below 115 dBA at distances up to approximately 2.1 miles for the Falcon Heavy.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1894 on: 05/01/2016 04:35 pm »
 118db probably wouldn't make me much deafer, but it's getting close, and acoustics can do funny things. I don't think I'd want to bet what hearing I have left after 4 years in the infantry on a chart.

 I can't say that quote really makes much sense to me.

 "SpaceX would also make hearing protection devices available to residents to reduce noise levels below 115 dBA at distances up to approximately 2.1 miles for the Falcon Heavy."
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Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who couldn't hear the music.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1895 on: 05/01/2016 04:43 pm »
I'm assuming those new thrust figures have been calculated into the Pad designs and how much dirt and concrete they'll ultimately be placing out there? I'm sure they've already built in margin for that...right?
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1896 on: 05/01/2016 08:19 pm »
I can't say that quote really makes much sense to me.

 "SpaceX would also make hearing protection devices available to residents to reduce noise levels below 115 dBA at distances up to approximately 2.1 miles for the Falcon Heavy."

I read it this way: The FAA said anything over 115 dB is unacceptably loud, so SpaceX volunteered to hand out earplugs to all Boca Chica residents for every Falcon Heavy launch.  Problem solved.

If you're lucky, the earplugs will have a SpaceX logo on them. A little memento.

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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1897 on: 05/01/2016 08:55 pm »
I can't say that quote really makes much sense to me.

 "SpaceX would also make hearing protection devices available to residents to reduce noise levels below 115 dBA at distances up to approximately 2.1 miles for the Falcon Heavy."

I read it this way: The FAA said anything over 115 dB is unacceptably loud, so SpaceX volunteered to hand out earplugs to all Boca Chica residents for every Falcon Heavy launch.  Problem solved.

If you're lucky, the earplugs will have a SpaceX logo on them. A little memento.

At work, they are quart sized plastic bags with individually packed pairs of closed-cell foam plugs.
Perhaps SpaceX would get some customized but odds are they will just be industrial bags of plugs.
But I basically agree with Dave G's reading of the statement, except that the "acceptable" level could be lower than 115 dB.
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1898 on: 05/02/2016 02:37 am »
After watching a falcon heavy launch from Nomadds we will have to put our eyes back in our heads and pick our tongues off the ground. Who cares about the ears!
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Re: SpaceX Texas launch site Discussion and Updates - Thread 3
« Reply #1899 on: 05/05/2016 10:27 am »
Italian company commits to $114 million investment in Brownsville
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/article_249452c4-1277-11e6-a165-574668188cd1.html

The company is the the SATA Group, a large machining company that makes parts for heavy equipment makers Caterpillar and John Deere as well as auto manufacturers such as GM and Fiat-Chrysler Automotive.

Note that SpaceX already uses Paragon D&E as a supplier, another machining company with ties to the auto industry, also with a new branch in Brownsville.
http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/spacex-supplier-based-in-michigan-acquires-brownsville-firm/article_1d64cbca-2a73-11e4-a096-0017a43b2370.html

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