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Title: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/21/2008 02:24 pm
Just noticed this little ditty in the ISS daily report:

MPC HDTV Update:   Dan Tani was lauded by the ground for his great work on 1/17 verifying the MPC HDTV (Multi-Purpose Converter/High-Definition TV) capability all the way to the NASA TV satellite.  The test was very successful, yielding an overall end-to-end audio latency (delay) for the MPC System of 3.2 seconds.  This is the delay from the crewmember to JSC/MCC-H to NASA Headquarters and out to the NASA TV satellite in high definition, i.e. the sum total of the audio delay the interviewer and interviewee will "feel" during an interactive event.  This Japan/JAXA originated system will be utilized soon for downlink messages and in-flight interviews based on client capability.


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Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: brahmanknight on 01/21/2008 03:19 pm
Nice!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: simonbp on 01/21/2008 03:51 pm
The Japanese are doing well with HDTV in space; first they put one around the moon, and now they've got one on station..

Simon ;)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/21/2008 08:10 pm
And last week we noticed that the NASA HD service is back in the multiplex again (the C-band media/cable feed on AMC-6).  It didn't have any bits assigned, but it was defined -- service number 26 or 106, depending on how you look at it.  I haven't had a chance to properly check it out though.  Now THAT would be a truly awesome way for NASA to properly launch their HD service -- with live video from ISS!  Getting closer!

Thanks rdale for the news.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/29/2008 09:54 pm
It appears that NASA TV did some testing with their AMC-6 multiplex yesterday (Monday) and today (Tuesday).  Starting Monday morning, only the public channel was there, with the media, education and internal channels dropped, leaving a whole lot of empty space.  I had assumed that they would be running HD in there, but I never saw it.  It's possible that they switched over to their single-channel backup system while they overhauled the main multi-channel system.  Just guessing!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 01/30/2008 02:49 am
You say HD was not on the 106 channel?  Did you do a transponder rescan?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/30/2008 03:33 am
I've been watching the multiplex live in a transport stream analyzer, no "rescan" required (it's constantly scanning).  There was only one SD service all day Monday and Tuesday, which is what I was talking about, and certainly no 106 channel.  True, there WAS a 106 at some point in the past, like weeks ago, but it's not there now.  Now it's back to the regular 4 x SD services.  If you think that there's HD up somewhere, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 01/30/2008 12:59 pm
Slightly off topic, but here is a MSFC tech report by Rodney Grubbs on the Nov 2006 HDTV broadcast:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20080002893_2008001393.pdf
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/30/2008 03:21 pm
Fantastic, thanks lcs!

I've seen the presentation (twice) by Rodney Grubbs and Walt Lindblom on the ascent video upgrades (including the WB-57 airborne video).  But this one is new to me.  Makes me wish I could find the time to go to the SMPTE conferences every year instead of just occasionally.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/04/2008 06:29 pm
The word I've got is that the HD coverage will officially launch with the STS-123 mission in March.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/04/2008 06:34 pm
As in an official "NASA HD" channel, or just adding that special channel you've found during missions?

If the former - I'll start a letter writing campaign to DTV/Echostar now!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/05/2008 02:32 am
I don't know.  Will it be a 24/7 HD simulcast of NASA TV, like so many other HD channels?  Or just selected mission coverage?  I just don't know.  Only 5.5 weeks until we find out, though!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/11/2008 08:02 pm
Well, the STS-123 launch has come and gone, no HD feed in sight.  Maybe we'll see something start up during the mission ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Patriot1776 on 03/11/2008 09:23 pm
In any case, I'm not going to benefit from it.  Me and my landlord are too cash-strapped to get HDTV's, so we're staying SD right now.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/18/2008 06:27 pm
It looks like things have moved ahead a bit on this front.  NASA will be airing HD views of Earth on Tuesday in recognition of Earth Day.  I'm told it's a one hour loop of material, with commentary on what you're seeing. See press release below.

For those of you about to ask how you can see this, please note that this is on the C-band satellite feed that originates from NASA, so it's basically intended for media organizations.  You can see it if you have a Big Ugly Dish in your yard (not DirecTV/Dish) but otherwise yer out of luck and at most you can hope for a downloadable movie file from the internet later.

MEDIA ADVISORY: M08-081

NASA TO BROADCAST EARTH VIEWS IN HIGH DEFINITION TELEVISION

HOUSTON -- Since humans first flew in space, nothing has captivated astronauts more than the view of home out the window of their spacecraft. In honor of Earth Day, April 22, NASA will make those views available to people here on Earth with an event highlighting imagery taken by astronauts and the science behind it.

For the first time ever, NASA Television will air a special hour-long broadcast of views of Earth taken in High Definition, or HD, by astronauts on past space shuttle and International Space Station missions.

The special HD broadcast will air between 6 a.m. and 8 a.m. EDT on Friday, April 18, and replay at the same time on Monday, April 21. It will air every hour from 6 a.m. to 8 p.m. on Tuesday, April 22.

The Friday HD broadcast will feature a silent version of the Earth views. The broadcasts on Monday and Tuesday will include a discussion of the views by Dr. Justin Wilkinson, a scientist with the Crew Earth Observations Office at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston.

The footage also will air on standard NASA TV during regularly scheduled Video File broadcasts. For technical information on how to receive the special broadcast in high definition, and for NASA TV streaming video, downlink and scheduling information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/18/2008 07:26 pm
Special Earth Day HD Programming:
Program = 105 (HQ5), Video PID = 0x0057 decimal = 87,
Audio PID = 0x0059 decimal = 89, AC-3 PID = 0x0058 decimal = 88
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/22/2008 04:03 pm
It's running all day today.  It's impossibly beautiful.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/22/2008 09:11 pm
It's encoded at 12 megabits, and they've dropped the Education Channel to make space, as they did for the October launch.

The video was rather glitchy this afternoon, perhaps they need to reset the encoder.  Update:  looks like they fixed it during one of the breaks.

The AC-3 audio (#1, PID 88) wasn't working for me, but the PCM audio (#2, PID 89) was.  Once I got the audio working, I could hear the commentary by "Dr. Justin Wilkinson, a scientist with the Crew Earth Observations Office at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston."  I could not tear myself away from it, and transcribed it:

west coast of Madagascar
north coast of Australia incl Greet (sic?) Island
central Pacific atolls, perhaps Bora Bora
coast of Namibia
Persian Gulf and Zagros mountains of Iran
Kamchatka peninsula
Tsingtao peninsula with town of Shenyang
east coast of Kamchatka peninsula with volcanoes
circular feature called "Richat Structure" in Mauritania
Tassili Hills in eastern Nigeria with impact crater and dune field
coast of Tunisia (with bay)
Sicily, Mount Etna obscured by clouds, then toe of Italy
bay of Otrenta (sic?), coast of northern Chile, Andes mountains
dark blue "tounge of the ocean" in Bahama Islands, Andros Island specifically
moonset
Great Salt Lake, railroad bridge blocks circulation
Florida Keys, shallow seas of the Bahama Bank, Cuba
Detroit, Lake St Clair, Lake Erie
Dallas / Fort Worth, with reservoirs, then Galveston
unknown high plains lake
North Dakota, Lake Sakakawea, Minnesota
Ohio River valley near Cincinnati, Appalachian mountains
Chesapeake Bay and Delmarva peninsula
Black Hills, Missouri River, tributaries of Mississippi, sand hills of Nebraska, weather front
northern Mexico
long pass over southeastern US: bed of the broad Mississippi valley, bordered by bluffs, smoke plumes, Mobile Bay, Cape San Blas of Florida panhandle, Tampa Bay, Lake Okeechobee, Everglades, Florida Keys, Bahama Banks, Cuba
unrecognized, possibly Africa
long pass over Amazon rainforest, thunderhead tops, rivers
coral islands, coastline of Mozambique
Cuba, Grand Banks of Bahamas (again!)
rugged mountains and valleys, Canadian Rockies of British Columbia, near Calgary and Edmonton, farmland of prairie provinces
Georgian Bay, Lake Huron, southern peninsula of Michigan, sediment plumes
Lagoa dos Patos in southernmost Brazil
long pass over northern Mexico, dry / semi-desert land, high and low clouds, Big Bend National Park, city of Monterrey next to mountains, Laguna Madre just north of Brownsville, crossing over Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of Campeche, sediment plume, Yucatan peninsula
Gulf of Fonseca, Honduras, Costa Rica
Hurricane Florence (2006), passed by Bermuda
final views of ISS and Space Shuttle

Dr. Wilkinson mentioned that the visibility to the horizon is 1700 km.

My god, give me this on DVD.  I don't even need it to be HD, just give me a good letterboxed DVD of it.  Here, take my wallet :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/23/2008 04:05 pm
Back to the general topic of this thread, which is when/whether NASA will launch an HD feed ...

This morning I see that NASA still has the HQ5 HD feed up in the AMC-6 multiplex.  They're showing a shot of the pad (camera 070).  Further, the other 4 services (HQ1, HQ2, HQ3, HQ4) are all still there.  In the past they've shut down the HQ2 Education Channel (put up a slate and robbed nearly all of its bandwidth) when they were feeding the HD service.

What they've done as of this morning is crush the HD feed bandwidth down to 6 Mbps.  The HD feed bandwidth was at 12 Mbps yesterday, which is just about the bare minimum that you can get away with MPEG2 in HD.  The 6 Mbps it's at now is essentially unusable for any kind of HD motion video, but good enough for static images.

Audio 1 is still labeled as Dolby Digital and still failing in my decoder.

No official word on whether this will be up 24/7 from now on, but I have my fingers crossed.  It's possible that they will keep it at this 6 Mbps bitrate when nothing's going on, and then crank it up to 12 Mbps when there's a big event (e.g. launch).  Personally, in my professional opinion they should crank those SD services down from 6-8 Mbps to 5 Mbps, and then they can run the HD at 12 Mbps all the time and everyone's happy.  5 Mbps for SD is plenty for distribution quality if you're using professional compressors, and that's without even using statmuxing.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 04/23/2008 07:03 pm
I hope Directv adds a NASA TV HD channel, especially now that their HD capacity is about to get another big bump with the Directv 11 satellite.  Even a part-time HD feed (like some of the "game only" HD feeds for regional sports networks) would be great.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/23/2008 07:40 pm
There is no official NASA HD channel, which would have to happen before any provider could add it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/23/2008 07:42 pm
Yeah, I should say that NONE of this has been officially announced -- well, except for yesterday's Earth Day feed.  I'm just observing what I see on the satellite, and am hoping that they are getting closer to a launch of a 24/7 HD feed.  Only THEN would it be worth it to start harrassing your cable/DBS provider.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 04/23/2008 07:53 pm
12 MBit/s isn't really sufficient quality for a HD frame, I'd have thought. Is that the average or peak?

I know there's a big thing about providers lowering quality to fit more channels in. "Digital Quality" is a meaningless phrase really. A bitrate can be set to any value while the resolution is the same.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/23/2008 09:48 pm
It is (was) 12 Mbps CBR, constant bit rate.  You are correct that that is not really enough for HD (in MPEG2).  Most networks distribute (***TO*** the cable company) their HD networks at 15-19 Mbps.  19.2 Mbps is of course the over-the-air broadcast standard.  Some HD networks have tried to go below 15 Mbps and been slapped by their customers.  Networks are now moving to MPEG4 / H.264 / AVC for HD distribution, which gets you down to 6 Mbps and lower, but that's still pricey gear and MPEG2 is the value choice.

12 Mbps really is too low, but at this point I'm not going to criticize NASA for that.  They may have constraints I'm not aware of, including poor compression equipment (low bid contract -> you get what you pay for) and likely wanting to protect their SD channels since 99% of their audience will watch that even after they officially launch HD.  It takes a looong time after network launch for all the cable/DBS systems to get the network integrated into their systems.  I just want NASA to go ahead and launch it, whatever the bitrate :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Zachstar on 04/24/2008 04:26 am
I have been looking around MPEG-4 and it is a patent nightmare. Which is likely the reason the us digital system is MPEG-2.

 For instance if you want to use the Open Source Xvid which is an open source version of Divx you may be violating the law when it comes to software patents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4

Sorry to drag this a bit off topic but I thought that you lose any and all ability to patent if your work is accepted as an ISO standard? I thought you trade royalties for name recognition?

One of the things I will push for once Obama gets elected is the end of these damned software patents. If we get rid of them the rest of the world will quickly follow suit.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 04/24/2008 02:24 pm
Quote
ChrisC - 23/4/2008  4:48 PM
Networks are now moving to MPEG4 / H.264 / AVC for HD distribution, which gets you down to 6 Mbps and lower, but that's still pricey gear and MPEG2 is the value choice.

The MPEG4/H.264 feeds on Directv locals and newer national feeds can look fabulous.  HBO has mandated H.264 feeds at a minimum of 8 megabits per second for providers to carry their new HD feeds for HBO2, HBOW, and soon HBO Signature, etc.  I don't know what Showtime's standard for content carriers is, but the Showtime2 HD MPEG4/H.264 feed looks noticeably better on Directv as compared to the MPEG2 Showtime HD feed. If NASA TV HD were to launch, I seriously hope they go to an MPEG4 solution.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/24/2008 03:32 pm
Zachstar, MPEG4 patents may be a complication in the consumer/retail/PC world that you're in, but they are not a problem for distributors.  They just buy the professional encoding gear and that's it.

I seriously doubt that NASA will go with MPEG4.  Sure, it's the smart thing to do, but my sense is that they'll go with the older more mature technology.

Anyway, the HD feed is now gone :(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Zachstar on 04/24/2008 03:52 pm
What about decoding? They have patents on that as well...

Its a mess because even the basic parts like H.264 seem to be heavily patented.


The more I think about it the more it dawns that even NASA would have to pay high fees for using good MPEG-4 streaming. And as they do not have the resources like say DirectTV has. They are more likely to stick with MPEG-2

I wonder tho. NASA seems to have to use airtime on an existing bird to distribute to networks. If they had their own small sat in orbit how many HD streams could they load in MPEG-2?

Its not likely they need a monster like the Echostar birds
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 04/24/2008 05:12 pm
Where would they put it? It'd have to be in similar slot to other satellites, otherwise, who's going to install another Dish + LNB to just receive NASA TV? Or a rotating dish?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Zachstar on 04/24/2008 06:30 pm
Last time I checked the system was designed for public access networks and other small TV operations to broadcast public funded NASA material.

So another bird up there used (Ok lets expand it to anything the .gov wants to broadcast) for that purpose is for the good of the public no?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/24/2008 07:01 pm
It's not a viable option.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Zachstar on 04/26/2008 09:07 pm
Did the HDTV feed ever come back?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/26/2008 10:47 pm
It wasn't back Friday.  I can only check Mon-Fri at work.  I don't expect to see it again until we get closer to the next launch, and even that is just speculation.

[Edit: nope, not back yet; I check at least once a week, will check more frequently as STS-124 launch approaches.]
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/11/2008 02:31 pm
From http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/05/john-glenn-at-u.html :

"[premiering] on Discovery Channel June 8th ... the documentary "When We Left Earth," draws from over 150 hours of high definition footage that Discovery Channel created from NASA's original archives. NASA can keep the new footage for its own use out of the deal."

I bet they'll use this footage to fill out the HD channel when it does finally launch.

Getting closer!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/22/2008 06:44 pm
The HD channel is back up in NASA TV's satellite multiplex.  It's the same as before: HQ5/105, 12 Mbps 720p, currently carrying a static shot looking down at the SRB bottom of the SRBs and the MLP (camera 063).  Education/102 dropped to slate and below 1 Mbps.  Perhaps this will stay up through launch ... and beyond :)

Edit:  Whoa!  They just started running an HD tour of the station by Garrett Reisman!  Shot on May 7th.  It's called "Day in the Life of a Space Station Astronaut" and apparently runs for an hour.  They started it at 4pm, but it had no audio, then they fixed it and ran it for a few minutes, then they switched back to the pad shot.  There was a slug (explanatory text screen) that led off the video but I missed it.  Then at 5pm they started it again and it played in its 55 minutes entirety.  It might be repeating every hour for now.  As Garrett would say, "SWEET"!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/23/2008 03:33 pm
The Education channel (102) is now running a slate that says that it will be unavailable until June 1st.  This probably means we'll have live HD coverage of the launch!

The Garrett Reisman package did indeed run all night.  Now it's back to the pad and the camera 063 shot.  They were installing the red water bags just now ( http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/launch/red_water_sausages.html ).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/23/2008 05:16 pm
Ahhhhh, I see from the ISS thread that the following media advisory went out a few days ago.  I unsubscribed from that list a couple months ago because it was too much volume.  I just now resubscribed so that I'm back in the know, since the HD activity seems to be picking up again.

--- begin quote ---

NASA TV AIRS HIGH-DEF DAY IN THE LIFE OF A SPACE STATION ASTRONAUT

HOUSTON -- NASA Television will provide a high-definition glimpse of
life in space with a special Video File to be broadcast beginning May
22.

During his final weeks aboard the International Space Station,
astronaut Garrett Reisman has filmed many daily activities in orbit
that are anything but routine. A compilation of Reisman's video
diaries will be broadcast in high definition, or HD, beginning at 4
p.m. CDT, Thursday, May 22. The footage also will air Friday, May 23,
and Tuesday, May 27, from 5 to 8 a.m., 12 to 2 p.m. and 4 to 7 p.m.
each day.

The special NASA TV Video File also will be broadcast in
standard-definition on NASA TV immediately following the regularly
scheduled daily Video File broadcasts.

--- end quote ---

The NASA TV page lists the ET broadcast times:

May 22 Thursday: 5 - 6 p.m.
May 23 Friday: 6 a.m. - 9 a.m., 1 p.m. - 3 p.m., 5 p.m. - 8 p.m.
May 27 Tuesday: 6 a.m. - 9 a.m., 1 p.m. - 3 p.m., 5 p.m. - 8 p.m.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/23/2008 10:20 pm
Are you getting any sound on the Garrett Reisman feeds?  As of 6:19 pm I am not.

Edit: Never mind.  I had to delete the old channel and rescan.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/24/2008 01:57 am
They are still definitely noodling with the sound setup.  During the downtimes between the Garrett feed periods, when they had the camera 063 shot running, we would occasionally get blasts of full-scale noise on the audio.  I think they're testing out Dolby.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/25/2008 09:01 pm
The Phoenix Mars Lander HDTV Media feed will begin on HQ7 at 6 pm EDT.  They switched off HQ5 yesterday in anticipation and having been playing Hubble photography on HQ7 since.  The JPL slate on HQ7 is currently accompanied by some  real mondo music and occasional background voice chatter. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/25/2008 11:18 pm
Thanks lcs.  I'm at home monitoring the Phoenix EDL via half a dozen internet resources.  I can only watch the HD feed at work.  I did see on the JPL slate on the media channel feed (available publicly on the net) the mention of 720p HD, so I knew that they were going to be feeding HD somewhere.  Hopefully the HD networks will make use of it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/26/2008 02:19 pm
The picture quality was excellent, the best I've seen on NASA HD so far.  JPL was also feeding the Phoenix imagery directly in HD.  I occasionally switched to CNN HD with Miles O'Brien but strangely they did not use the HQ7 feed, only the HQ3 SD version of it. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/27/2008 03:52 pm
It's back to HQ5 now, static shot of the pad from the standard launch camera position.  As I would expect with 12 Mbps MPEG2 HD, it's rather grainy and there's lots of mosquito noise around objects.  Same as before, really.

I wonder if the 2pm ET press briefing from JPL will be in HD ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/27/2008 04:12 pm
None of the post-landing JPL briefings were on HQ7, just a continuous loop of Phoenix lander imagery.  Maybe JPL has better encoders, less noisy cameras or perhaps it was just better lighting, but the control room shots were razor sharp.  The static KSC video almost looks like upconverted 480p. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/27/2008 07:47 pm
If I'd known about this before Sunday night, I would have set up my MPEG analyzer to see what bitrate they were throwing at it.  I've been blaming the 12 Mbps they've been using for the grainy video; perhaps they used more bits for the JPL / HQ7 feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: quickshot89 on 05/27/2008 11:50 pm
this is a stupid question, but is the HDTV channel possible to view over the net, living in the UK and without sky i cant check for sat broadcasts
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/28/2008 12:11 am
Sorry, quickshot.  Wish it were true but HD streaming video on the net from any source is a long way off. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/28/2008 02:24 am
quickshot, it's even worse than that.  You mention "Sky", which is a DBS provider in the UK.  But even if you had that satellite service, you wouldn't be able to see this.  What we are discussing here is the media feed that NASA uses to originate their video *TO* cable companies, DBS providers and media organizations.  That feed is carried on a C-band satellite (AMC-6) that NASA leases a bit of space on.  You can see it if you have a Big Ugly Dish in your yard (not DirecTV/Dish/Sky) but otherwise yer out of luck and at most you can hope for a downloadable movie file from the internet later.

Once NASA officially launches this HD service (thus committing to 24/7 uptime), THEN the next step would be for you to harrass your cable company to carry it.  But it's not official, not announced as planned, and not even up 24/7, so don't bother yet.

(google/wiki for "DBS", SES Americom, network TV distribution, MPEG multiplex)

I wouldn't go quite as far as lcs though to say there's no HD streaming "from any source".  It's starting to appear -- you see it in the home movie products that are coming to market (e.g. Apple TV, Netflix/Roku).  But these are poor quality in comparison to the 15-19 Mbps rate (for MPEG2) demanded by distributors and media organizations.  Streaming THAT on the net is indeed a long way off.

Anyway, crossing my fingers for HD coverage to continue through launch ...

And tune into Discovery HD on Sundays at 9pm beginning June 8th!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 05/28/2008 08:28 am
I've seen some HD streaming. The footage was compressed MPEG4 frames at some stupidly high bitrate from a HD camera being used as a webcam, and the footage wasn't really meant for home use. Some people at universities and other places with ridiculously high bandwidth connections could see the stream, but mostly they were for LAN use.

It's possible, we just don't really have the bandwidth for it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: quickshot89 on 05/28/2008 09:34 am
aww that kinda sucks, its bad enough having trouble to find the normal nasa TV internet broadcasts

wish the UK would stop being picky about human spaceflight and just get on with it, we could probally do just as well as smaller space agencies, we could get our own channel then :D
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: apollolanding on 05/28/2008 11:56 am
Comcast digital cable users!  Write customer service to inquire when they plan to offer NASA TV HD.  When I emailed them, they told me that part of the methodology of adding channels depends on the number of requests for the service.  I know all you Direct TV guys already have it but those of us who bundle HDTV, Broadband and VoIP through Comcast need to say... "I WANT MY NTV!"
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 05/28/2008 01:30 pm
Remember that NASA TV HD doesn't exist as a channel, so don't write yet.

DirectTV does not have it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/28/2008 01:56 pm
apollolanding, YOU are precisely the person I wrote my above post for :)

"But it's not official, not announced as planned, and not even up 24/7, so don't bother [harrassing your cable company] yet."

They're feeding the 10am briefing from KSC in HD right now.  I think the camera mount or platform is weak, as the video frame is noticably shaking.  NASA PAO, if you're secretly reading this, you need to fix that :)

Update: following the briefing, they went back to pad shots, and it looks like they are setting up the cameras.  There's no question in my mind that they going to cover the launch in HD.

And now they've gone over to the landing strip to show the astronauts' arrival.  That's apparently being shot in SD, but they're still carrying it on the HD service, so it looks like they've figured out SD/HD integration!  And the audio worked.  Workin' down that checklist ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/28/2008 09:51 pm
They could have made the same effort for the previous launch, but didn't.  I wonder if this is some joint effort with JAXA since this is one of their major payloads and the Japanese would like to see the launch in HD.
 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/29/2008 03:05 pm
Good point, lcs, could be.  I'll note that they DID have HD coverage for last October's launch (and CNN took it to air), but since then there's been no HD launch coverage.  This looks to be the first one since October that'll have it.

Today's STS-124 briefing again showed up on the HD service as well as on the SD services.  But they didn't have the slate ("up next ...") on the HD service as they did on SD; it stayed on the shot of the launch pad until they switched to the briefing room.  So they may still have a problem there with graphics integration.

After the briefing the SD services went back to other things (e.g. Video File) and HD went to camera 060 -- medium shot of pad with VAB in distance.

During the STS-124 briefing replays, the HD side was showing the briefing too.  During the Phoenix briefing, the HD side stayed with the pad shot.  I bet that has something to do with the fact that the Phoenix briefing was originating from Tucson, instead of a NASA/JPL facility.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: daveglo on 05/31/2008 03:31 am
This looks to be the first one since October that'll have it.

It might have been the last one direct from NASA, but HDNet has carried the launch of at least the last two (STS-122 & 123) in 1080P glory (but I wish they would shut up more. . .).

Still, any HD is better than no HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 05/31/2008 04:08 am
No, they did not cover it in 1080p.  No broadcast TV is 1080p (only Blu-Ray or HD-DVD).  1080i maybe.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 04:21 am
HDNet has their own separate deal with NASA, with their own cameras and commentators.  And indeed they have carried every launch since 2006 and maybe back to July 2005 RTF.

Re format, FYI, NASA went with 720p, because it makes frame-by-frame analysis simpler.  They use these shots for documentation, of course.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 05/31/2008 04:51 am
I just wish NASA would add more HD videos to their gallery, every launch is nice but lets get a landing, or a station tour!  Something new...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 05/31/2008 05:13 am
HDNet's first "NASA on HDNET" broadcast was indeed STS-114 RTF which was nice as my cable operator did not offer NASA TV at that time. They have also covered some of the NASA ELV missions as well. I just checked their schedule and they are going to cover the GLAST Delta launch on the 5th!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 01:52 pm
Looking good this morning:
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 02:45 pm
Sonafa ... On the main NASA TV page ( http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ ) they've announced this "Special HD Launch Coverage of STS-124", but no alert went out to the media (via their email list).  Meh.  I wonder when that web page announcement was made.  Google cache tells me it's been there since at least Friday morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 04:04 pm
And they just mentioned the HD coverage during the commentary!  I believe that is the first time they've ever publicly acknowledged the HD coverage.  There was the October 2007 coverage, but that was not ever announced.

Woohoo!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/31/2008 05:02 pm
Hmmm...are the folks watching the HD feed seeing the same technical difficulties on the standard broadcast?

Edit -- looks like it was the Public Channel; the Media Channel looked OK...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 05/31/2008 05:04 pm
psloss...yes...actually my screen has turned all black as it appears there is no signal.
Internet feed is also affected..I called my cable company and they are saying it is on the NASA TV end.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 05/31/2008 05:05 pm
Seems to have cleared up back on the air
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/31/2008 05:07 pm
psloss...yes...actually my screen has turned all black as it appears there is no signal.
Internet feed is also affected..I called my cable company and they are saying it is on the NASA TV end.
Yeah, I've gotten way too well-versed in ruling my cable feed in or out in terms of problem source.  When the feed craps out here (and it's doing it again as I write this), I check the KSC screen cap page and the Internet streams...the Media Channel feed has remained solid throughout while the Public Channel feed needs some work.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 05/31/2008 05:13 pm
Actually it is better to do it your way. Cable company reps usually use the same answer.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/31/2008 05:19 pm
Actually it is better to do it your way. Cable company reps usually use the same answer.
Usually when the problem is with my cable provider, I try to set aside a few minutes to get all the swearing out of the way.  Fortunately, you have to be on hold for a while before talking to a human support rep.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 05:48 pm
Just to head off any confusion, hobson911 and psloss above are talking about their regular NASA TV (SD) feed, not this HD feed.  This HD feed can only be seen be someone with a C-band satellite dish (aka Big Ugly Dish or BUD) or media operations with their own big antennas.

Here's a sample screenshot, showing the widescreen view we've got.  What you see on the regular SD feed is just a crop of this.  When they go to an SD-only shot (like the little cameras inside the crew cabin) they put up black sidebars.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 05/31/2008 06:06 pm
What do they do about the logo? Is it in the 4:3 safe area? Doesn't look like it on that shot.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/31/2008 06:08 pm
Just to head off any confusion, hobson911 and psloss above are talking about their regular NASA TV (SD) feed, not this HD feed.  This HD feed can only be seen be someone with a C-band satellite dish (aka Big Ugly Dish or BUD) or media operations with their own big antennas.
Chris, have you seen any disruptions in the HD feed?  Or did you around the time the SD Public Channel feed crapped out?

Thanks.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 06:17 pm
I wasn't watching then, I was out cleaning the gutters :)

Indeed the logo is not in the 4:3 safe area.  They are apparently inserted the logos independently on the SD and HD feeds.  Another sign that they are really getting this HD feed polished up.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 06:20 pm
Going to have a crack at the HDnet coverage in H.264
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 05/31/2008 06:44 pm
I will admit the SD feed is a lot cleaner than it use to be. May not be in HD but it is has better color definition than in the past.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 07:07 pm
Just a heads up, there's a possibility that CNN HD will carry this.  That is, if you have CNN HD, when you see NASA shots, they will be the HD shots being discussed in this thread.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 08:14 pm
Chris can you post an image from your feed off C band, one from starboard would be great
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 08:34 pm
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 08:34 pm
You mean like this?  Or a tighter shot?

Screenshot is not HD, sorry.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 08:36 pm
You mean like this?  Or a tighter shot?

Screenshot is not HD, sorry.



thats it thanks..
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 08:42 pm
Nasa image

ref:
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/policies.html#Guidelines
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 08:43 pm
CNN HD is indeed carrying the NASA HD feed to air.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 08:52 pm
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 09:04 pm
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/31/2008 09:16 pm
Unfortunately the mental pygmies that run CNN shrink the HD picture down to a postcard so they can show 17 other graphics together with talking head shots. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 09:21 pm
Avron, I assume your grabs are from HDnet?

Shot from VAB roof:

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 09:26 pm
Avron, I assume your grabs are from HDnet?

Shot from VAB roof:



Yes..

as permitted under Copyright Act of 1976 as 17 U.S.C. Section 107

and under s. 29 of the Copyright Act Canada
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 09:28 pm
From Camera Site 2 (TV-7A); gorgeous sequence:

Update:  this is the one they used in the Flight Day highlights package; the way it goes across the sun is a sight not quite like any I've seen before.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 09:33 pm
From Press Site (TV-50); camera operator was asleep for a few seconds after this frame:
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 05/31/2008 09:36 pm
I just love this one..
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/31/2008 09:56 pm
After the launch replays finished, the HD feed went to tone, still have video.  However, before it went to tone it wasn't matching what the PAO was saying anyway, so I think the HD feed is being put to bed.

Update:  Post-launch news conference is running now on HD feed.  I think the SD feed actually came to it late, but I'm not sure.  Due to the way I'm monitoring them, the HD feed leads the SD feed by about 45 seconds (for *ME*).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/01/2008 03:06 am
And here's what's left late Saturday night:
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: AstroRJY on 06/01/2008 03:49 am
I just love this one..

Why do you love the 070 shot so much??? Pray tell
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 06/01/2008 01:53 pm
I did notice that HDNet was airing some of NASA HD feed. The images that were usually 4:3 were 16:9  really makes a difference.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 06/01/2008 02:35 pm
HDNet usually has their own HD cameras...they have since RTF.  Did they use some of NASA's this time?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 06/01/2008 04:08 pm
Why do you love the 070 shot so much??? Pray tell

The sparks, signal to me a beginning, unfortunately my DVBdream software does not keep the aspect ratio of H264 images.. but the res is there..
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avron on 06/01/2008 04:12 pm
I did notice that HDNet was airing some of NASA HD feed. The images that were usually 4:3 were 16:9  really makes a difference.


I was careful to only publish in this thread NASA images via NASA HDTV cameras.. I was hoping we could compare the C band images I think using MPEG2 and the res via H264
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/01/2008 05:35 pm
I was careful to only publish in this thread NASA images via NASA HDTV cameras.. I was hoping we could compare the C band images I think using MPEG2 and the res via H264

Aaaah, that's why you were asking me for a screenshot.  I wasn't actually watching the NASA HD feed directly, I was watching it remotely through a 1 Mbps streaming monitoring system.  My screenshots were from that, and they look it.  And that leads me to ...

There's no way we could do a qualitative comparison of the two feeds using whatever PC screenshot capture mechanism we could dream up.  Any differences would likely be utterly swamped by the screenshot factors, and then further by JPG compression when posted to here, then further when rendered by a browser.  The only way I can think to do a fair A/B comparison is:
 - take HD-SDI (or HDMI) output of satellite receiver and display on professional monitor
 - take a picture of that monitor with a high-res, professional camera
 - do that for both signals, with the same equipment

And then you'd find probably not much difference.  Actually, in my opinion, you're likely to find that HDnet's H.264 is better, assuming they weren't taking the shots from NASA's satellite feed, because the NASA HD feed right now is 12 Mbps MPEG2.  MPEG2 can do good HD, but not down at 12 Mbps.  They really need to crank those SD's down to 5-6 Mbps and push the HD up to at least 15 Mbps.

Anyway, I'm expecting this service to drop later today or tomorrow, per the Education Channel slate that I noted here on May 23rd.  If we're lucky, maybe they'll keep the HD service up but at 6 Mbps, like they did on April 23rd (also noted here).  Not that that would be very watchable, but it would still be interesting to see what they did with it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 06/02/2008 01:05 am
HDNet usually has their own HD cameras...they have since RTF.  Did they use some of NASA's this time?
Actually after reviewing the recordings I made they did use their cameras on some but it now looks like they used the SD feed on the NASA cameras they show. I wish I could post the white room video but I do not have any means of doing so  :(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/02/2008 01:13 am
That would not be legal - so don't try to hard to find the means :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/02/2008 12:08 pm
The HD service dropped at almost exactly 8am, in time for the Education Channel to start their programming.  However, they're not yet running that programming on that channel (102); it's a simulcast of the regular mission coverage that's already found on 101 and 103.  I imagine that they'll get 102 going properly soon.  Anyway, no more HD ...

I captured the MPEG transport stream (about 13 GB per hour) over the weekend and am currently looping the playback of the critical hour, from final poll by Mike Leinbach, through launch, through camera replays, most of it in HD.  Woohoo!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: hobson911 on 06/02/2008 10:40 pm
That would not be legal - so don't try to hard to find the means :)
I did not think it would be...thanks for the heads up
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: AstroRJY on 06/02/2008 11:07 pm
Looking for the white room footage, I remembered seeing  one online from STS-114 back in July 2005.  It has footage from TV-21 (south)  of that launch synched in the lower right corner of the white room view. It's been on You Tube for 2 years, here's the link to get an idea of what the white room looks like at launch.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A2dYAP5Uzvk

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/03/2008 01:28 am
Hey, that's great, thanks AstroRJY.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 06/05/2008 02:32 am
HD downlink on this mission, but no HD channel ?  Seems like a waste of bandwidth to show the same programming on HQ1,2,3.   
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/05/2008 03:54 am
HD downlink on this mission, but no HD channel ?  Seems like a waste of bandwidth to show the same programming on HQ1,2,3.   

You're right, but they do it like this for a reason.  HQ1, HQ2 and HQ3 are three different channels for three different audiences.  A typical receiver installation will have it set to the appropriate channel (e.g. HQ1 for a cable company, HQ2 for a school receiver, HQ3 for a news media receiver), and the receiving people may not know much about changing the channel or have the time to deal with it.

[I'm ignoring the HQ4 service, which is for NASA internal use and is encrypted.]

Obviously mission coverage is of interest to everyone, so rather than carry it one just one channel and force everyone to change over to it, they just repeat it on all three.

As for the HD channel, that's frankly a separate issue.  They could have 4 SDs and 1 HD at the same time if they just assigned their bitrates more intelligently, as I've said several times in this thread.  I don't know if they will ever launch a full-time HD channel, but I don't see anything that stopping them.  I really wish they would just get on with it.

Finally, I did hear the mention of an "HD downlink", but I'm not convinced that they have that capability yet.  That is, I don't think they can hit play on an HD deck in ISS (or take a camera feed) and have it go straight to the ground.  I think they download an HD video *file* in less than real time.  Realtime HD downlink of course would be a huge boon to coverage, and a possible driver for an HD channel.


Actually, upon further reflection, I realized that they did do a live HD feed in Nov 2006 in cooperation with Discovery and NHK (Japanese TV).  So the capability it there, but I believe that it requires a huge commitment of resources to pull off a live/realtime feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/13/2008 06:25 pm
The HD feed is back.  Currently it's parked on a long shot of the VAB from the north.  Bitrates / PIDs / service numbers are same as before, and the Education service has dropped to slate as before.  I guess we're going to have landing coverage in HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/14/2008 01:39 pm
It was on the same VAB shot, with 1kHz tone, through the overnight.  Within the last 30 minutes it switched to a shot of the SLF, attached, and commentary audio.  Time will tell if they have more than this one camera.  This might be a quiet non-public test of landing HD coverage, like the Oct 2007 launch test.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/14/2008 02:28 pm
They have indeed been switching views, including another HD tower shot showing the convoy approach and an SD camera on the runway centerline.  Audio is the same commentary, no overlay graphics though.  The HD feed stays with the KSC shots when NASA TV switches to other sources (like MCC views).  KSC shots on NASA TV are centercut views of what I'm seeing in HD, as one would expect.

Edit:  I see now that this is in fact the same tower camera as yesterday.  None theless, they do have other cameras that they've been switching into this feed (e.g. centerline) but it remains to be seen if there are any more HD cameras.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 06/14/2008 02:33 pm
That's one of the cameras on the VAB roof; looking NW-ish towards the SLF.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/14/2008 03:28 pm
Here's another HD camera near the SLF runway (edit: now identified as TV Tower 1, near SLF control tower).  Before landing they briefly switched to another HD camera on the ground, looking at the convoy standing by, but switched away before I was able to screengrab it.  Otherwise all the shots (centerline, infrared, longrange) have been SD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/14/2008 03:51 pm
During the landing replays, the following cameras were in HD:
VAB Roof (TV-5)
TV Tower 1 (TV-11)
TV Tower 2 (TV-15)  (first screenshot below)
PAO Rover Camera  (second screenshot below)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/14/2008 05:16 pm
And now the HQ5 HD service has dropped from the multiplex.  Thaaaat's all folks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/10/2008 05:49 pm
Today we have the first Russian spacewalk happening.  The view out the window that they just showed on NASA TV is 16:9 (letterboxed on NASA TV's 4:3 SD frame), which inspired me to go check on the multiplex.

It still has the standard 4 SD services, no HD. But the SD bitrates have changed a bit.  Previously they were running 6-8 Mbps, but now they're running 8.3-9.5 Mbps:

PID 0273 / 0x0111 (HQ1 [101])  Video bitrate = 8671134 bps
PID 0289 / 0x0121 (HQ2 [102])  Video bitrate = 8498400 bps
PID 4145 / 0x1031 (HQ3 [103])  Video bitrate = 9492522 bps
PID 4161 / 0x1041 (HQ4 [104])  Video bitrate = 8395064 bps

They probably squeezed some nulls out of the multiplex, or dropped some unneeded data or audio PIDs, or maybe squeezed down on the SI tables.  All standard MPEG2 transport tricks.

My HOPE is that they are getting smarter about their bitrates, and that this will be the precursor to knocking all 4 SD services down to 5 Mbps and inserting a 15 Mbps HD service, fulltime.

As for the 16:9 shot coming from ISS, I wonder if that's an HD downlink.  See earlier discussions in this thread on whether that's even possible ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/28/2008 08:17 pm
??

August 7, Thursday
10:15 - 10:35 a.m. EDT  - ISS Expedition 17 In-Flight Event with KHOU-TV, Houston and Cal Poly Magazine - JSC (Public and Media Channels; also available in HD on NASA TV HD Transponder)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/30/2008 11:52 pm
Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for it starting on Monday.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: jacqmans on 08/05/2008 06:03 pm
MEDIA ADVISORY: M08-148

NASA TO BROADCAST HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS IN HIGH DEFINITION

WASHINGTON - NASA Television will broadcast a special high definition
(HDTV) feed of two hours of highlights from America's human
spaceflight history as the agency celebrates its 50th anniversary.

The NASA HD highlights will be broadcast on Friday, Aug. 8, Monday,
Aug. 11, and Tuesday, Aug. 12, from 9 to 11 a.m. EDT on a special
feed from NASA TV. The highlights also will be broadcast on standard
definition on NASA TV's media channel.

The broadcast will include material drawn from more than 150 hours of
historical film footage that was converted to HDTV under
collaboration between The Discovery Channel and NASA. Much of the
converted footage was used in production of The Discovery Channel's
acclaimed series, "When We Left Earth: The NASA Missions."

For technical information on how to receive the special broadcast in
high definition, and for NASA TV streaming video, downlink and
scheduling information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

For more information about NASA and its programs, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov

       
-end-
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: GLS on 08/05/2008 07:10 pm
Sure hope it's not like WWLE, where they chopped up the footage to 16:9...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 08/05/2008 07:29 pm
They should be partly cloudy on Thursday with just a slight chance of a storm - I can't imagine that would impact. And NASA TV doesn't originate from Houston anyways does it?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 08/05/2008 08:54 pm
They should be partly cloudy on Thursday with just a slight chance of a storm - I can't imagine that would impact. And NASA TV doesn't originate from Houston anyways does it?
No. NASA TV is transmitted from GSFC.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/05/2008 09:34 pm
I'm watching the satellite multiplex, no HD service yet.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/07/2008 02:59 pm
August 7, Thursday
10:15 - 10:35 a.m. EDT  - ISS Expedition 17 In-Flight Event with KHOU-TV, Houston and Cal Poly Magazine - JSC (Public and Media Channels; also available in HD on NASA TV HD Transponder)

This didn't appear to happen!  Did anyone see anything, even on the SD channels?  I tuned in at 10:45am ET, after the event had happened (got diverted), and there was no HD service up in the multiplex.  I find it hard to believe that NASA put the service up and took it back down that fast; normally they'd put it up hours in advance so that media ops could tune their receivers.  I'll admit that I didn't get a chance to look at the multiplex prior to the event, so maybe they did have it up early, and then yanked it down as soon as the HD event was over.

I wish they would just set the bitrates for HD + 4 SD and be done with it ...

Well, I'll be watching for tomorrow morning's feed, but I wanted to see today's too ...

Update:  ISS commentary replay said it was happening (did happen) at 9:15am CT / 10:15 ET.  So I watched the whole replay, expecting to happen during the hour; don't they normally go live with ISS commentary from 9am to 10am CT, and so that's the window of time that I was watching replayed?  Well, at the very end, she said it was "coming up next", but that was the replay and it cut off.

Update 2:  And now (12noon ET) it's the first item on the Video File feed (in SD).  The first reporter noted the crystal clear picture and complemented Chamitoff on setting it up, so I'd say that confirms the HD.  Consarn it, where did it get fed out?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/08/2008 01:32 pm
The NASA HD highlights will be broadcast on Friday, Aug. 8, Monday, Aug. 11, and Tuesday, Aug. 12, from 9 to 11 a.m. EDT on a special feed from NASA TV. ... The broadcast will include material drawn from more than 150 hours of historical film footage that was converted to HDTV under collaboration between The Discovery Channel and NASA.

The feed is up and running!  As before, they dropped the 102 Education channel to slate and 0.8 Mbps, reduced the other SD services a bit, and inserted the 12 Mbps HD service 106.  The attachment below shows the bitrate allocation from my MPEG analyzer.  I don't know when they made the switch (some time after 6pm last night) but it'll be interesting to see if they yank back down right at 11am like they apparently did with the ISS interview feed yesterday.  I doubt it, because the Education slate says that channel is preempted from Fri 8am to Tue noon.

I'm not getting audio, and I've checked with two different devices.  I see the 192 kbps AC3 PID (92/0x5C) but nothing's there.  The 260 kbps DD PID isn't working either but it never has so I'm not surprised.  I've noodled with it quite a bit and I think it's a problem with NTV.  This has happened in the past and they'll probably have it fixed later in the feed and then for the Monday and Tuesday feeds.

I'm not going to bother with a screenshot, since they're playing 1960's film footage and it's grainy anyway.  The 103 Media channel is the same material in SD and looks just as good.

Update 10:27am:  The 102 Education slate changed to "unavailable today until 12 noon" so maybe they're going to drop the HD service over the weekend after all.

Update 10:50am:  HD service dropped to black for a couple minutes, and now it's got HD bars.  Still no audio.  I wasn't watching at the time so it's possible the program ended (well before 11am) but I think it continued for a few more minutes on the 103/SD feed.

Update 11:00am:  Wow!  Just a few seconds before the hour, the HD service dropped, they ramped 101/103/104 back up to ~8 Mbps, ramped 102 up to 8 Mbps, and resumed normal programming.  Sliiiiiick.  Well, hopefully they'll have the audio issue resolved by Monday.  I'm going to see if I can get confirmation that they had audio trouble.

The program ended with them still in the Apollo era.  I wonder if the Monday and Tuesday feeds are going to be more material or repeats.  I had assumed the latter.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 08/08/2008 01:47 pm
don't they normally go live with ISS commentary from 9am to 10am CT,

No - 10a to 11a CT...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 08/11/2008 11:19 am
Little bit of HDTV in the Marshall Star...

http://marshallstar.msfc.nasa.gov/8-7-08.pdf
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/12/2008 02:02 pm
Thanks Rob!

The HD feeds continued yesterday and today.  Everything is the same as Friday:  102 slate, no audio, and same Apollo era footage each time.

I'll see shortly if they drop the HD service at 11am sharp like last time.

Here's a couple screenshots.  As you can see, it's 4:3 film with black sidebars, and futher my screenshot capabillity is low res.  As stated Friday, I haven't seen any full-frame HD content in this feed except for a brief section graphic.

Update 10:53am:  after the footage finished, they went to a shot of the ISS control room (in HD) for a couple minutes, screenshot below.  Then they dropped the HD service and slid the bitrates back to the usual 4xSD configuration.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/12/2008 05:21 pm
In the STS-125 Mission Overview briefing (starting at 17:13), Tony Ceccacci said:

"This flight will be the first flight that we have high def TV on the shuttle.  So our plan is, on Flight Day 1, we were going to do the ET video that the crew would take, but since it's in the dark, we're going to plan on doing some crew choice video, if they have any, just to test out the HDTV capability, and I know the PAO guys are going to like that."

I don't know if they have live downlink capability (I doubt it) so it'll probably be tape-and-playback-later.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 09/12/2008 05:23 pm
I thought he mentioned too that there would be a crew news conference later in the flight in HD, so that would imply downlink?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/13/2008 03:53 am
Yup, I'm only now getting through to that point in the briefing (thank you John44 :) ).  Here's what he said:

"Flight Day 10, crew gets a break, gets some off duty time, we do have the high def TV crew news conference ..."

"Flight Day 11 ... we'll be having our last PAO event in high def TV ..."

It does imply HD downlink, but not necessarily.  They could do SD live and record HD, then separately downlink the HD footage, sync it up to the reporters' questions, and then release that as an HD package (via Video File or whatever).  I do think that's kind of a tortured mechanism, so perhaps we will see live HD.

I'll certainly report here once the HD service comes up, probably a few days before launch like last time, and maybe they'll keep the service up for the duration of the mission this time.

[If they launch after the evening of Sunday Oct 12th, I won't be able to provide status or screenshots here, as I'll be out of town and away from my usual assets.  No matter when they launch, I'll be back by FD10 and FD11 so I'll be able to watch that coverage.]
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 09/23/2008 11:56 pm
Found some old HDTV stuff in the ISS daily page, and this mission does have mention of the MPC being used for the two events.

===

At ~5:55am, the FE-2 again activated the VDS MPC (Video Distribution System/Multi-Purpose Converter) with its four downlinks to allow the ground to conduct HDTV (high-definition TV) playback and downlink operations. Later (~2:10pm), the MPC was powered off again. [The end-to-end test of the system, conducted by the crew and ground specialists on 1/17 to verify the MPC HDTV (Multi-Purpose Converter/High-Definition TV) capability all the way to the NASA TV satellite, was very successful, yielding an overall end-to-end audio latency (delay) for the MPC System of 3.2 seconds. This is the delay from the crewmember to JSC/MCC-H to NASA Headquarters and out to the NASA TV satellite in high definition (including, but are not limited to, CNNHD, ABC, NBC, CBS, and Discovery HD Theater), i.e. the sum total of the audio delay the interviewer and interviewee will "feel" during an interactive event. This Japan/JAXA originated system will be utilized soon for downlink messages and in-flight interviews based on client capability.]
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/24/2008 10:37 pm
NASA press release this afternoon:

Quote
HOUSTON -- NASA Television will broadcast two special messages from International Space Station crew members, one that urges all Americans to exercise their right to vote and another marking the station's 10th birthday.  The messages will be broadcast beginning at 11 a.m. CDT, Monday, Oct. 27, on both standard definition and high-definition NASA TV. The HD version also will be broadcast at 11 a.m. CDT, Tuesday, Oct. 28, and Wednesday, Oct. 29.

So I guess they'll have the HD service up.  I'll fire up the old record-o-tron!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/27/2008 03:34 pm
At 11:38am EDT, Education (102) put up a slate saying that it would be down from 11:30am to 1:00pm.

At 12:00pm sharp, the bitrates started sliding around (as before) to make space for the HD service, but it didn't actually appear properly in the multiplex until around 12:02.  Then there was about 15 minutes of black, and then from ~12:20 to ~12:35 they fed a couple different things a few times, somewhat sporadically and with tape shuttling noise at one point.  At ~12:35 they went to HD bars.  Parameters were the same as before:  HQ6, 12 Mbps, 720p, etc.

Alas, just like in August, audio STILL wasn't working.  Is anyone out there actually getting this audio?  Please note that this is on NASA's media feed on AMC-6, for which you need a big C-band antenna.  It's not on DirecTV, Dish or cable.  I'm just wondering if there's another person out there looking at this who's actually got audio.

I saw Audio 1 declared at PID 91 but it failed to decode (and in fact showed up as 0 kbps in one piece of test equipment).  Audio 2 declared at PID 92 and decoded OK as Musicam but there's nothing there.  I wonder if those HD bars had tone on them.

At 1:00pm, they ramped the bitrates back to nominal and dropped the HD feed.

They aren't leaving this service up except for these quick feeds, which makes it very difficult to troubleshoot properly.

Update:  I've been in touch with NASA TV Engineering and apparently the audio is working fine for them.  They're going to keep the feed up Wed PM through Thu PM for some testing, with sound, so hopefully I'll be able to get it to work then.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: m330533 on 10/28/2008 11:15 pm
Although it is more Non-HDTV related ... but TV related in general I ask nevertheless. As theres a nonstop audio feed from ISS, does anyone know, if there will be a 24/7 ISS-video feed as well `?
Sorry, if already asked.
Greets

P.S. Its sooo sad not being able receiving the HDTV feed here in europe :-(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Aobrien on 10/29/2008 07:58 pm
Sorry this was a big thread so I couldn't read through it all but I'm not sure where you get the HD nasa channel?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 10/29/2008 08:13 pm
NASA TV Provides HD Feed of Documentary on NASA's First 50 Years
 
 
WASHINGTON -- NASA Television will provide a high definition feed of the documentary "50 Years of Exploration: The Golden Anniversary of NASA" on Thursday, Oct. 30, at 1 and 8 p.m. EDT.

Hosted by Neil Armstrong, the 90-minute documentary features film and video highlights of the agency's first half-century, as well as the insights and perspectives of astronauts, scientists, engineers and others whose contributions have helped shepherd America's space program.

Among the interviewees are former NASA astronaut and U.S. Senator John Glenn, Apollo Flight Director Gene Kranz, author Ray Bradbury, NASA scientist and Nobel Prize winner John Mather, and presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

"50 Years of Exploration: The Golden Anniversary of NASA" is a production of NASA Television. It will be re-fed on Friday, Oct. 31, at 10 a.m. and 2 p.m.

For NASA TV streaming video, schedules and downlink information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv   
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 10/30/2008 02:08 am
Is anyone out there actually getting this audio? 

Yes, I got it.  However I always have to rescan the transponders whenever they set these feeds up. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/30/2008 02:40 pm
Yeah, thanks lcs.  Using the HD feed they've been leaving up and running since Wednesday afternoon, I was able to isolate several problems in my system.  I've been in touch with NASA TV eng and pressed them to consider leaving the HD service up (even at severely reduced bitrate like it is right now as I type) so that we have something we can test with in advance of scheduled feeds ... like this afternoon's documentary!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/30/2008 02:47 pm
Sorry this was a big thread so I couldn't read through it all but I'm not sure where you get the HD nasa channel?

It's about time that I repeat the answer to this common question.  Here are some links to earlier posts in this thread where I explain what this is we're talking about.  In short:  you almost certainly can't get it.  It's a media feed, and you need a Really Big Antenna to get it (among other things).

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg270176#msg270176
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg281169#msg281169
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg282356#msg282356

If you DO have a Really Big Antenna (aka a C-band dish), and an HD-capable receiver, then use the parameters in rdale's post below.  Again, DirecTV/Dish doesn't cut it.

NASA makes a few of the videos available for download later at:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/30/2008 04:24 pm
That HD documentary is feeding now -- it's a beaut.  I won't have time for screenshots today, but I'm capturing it and will post some screenshots in the next week or two.

Update:  it's the same thing that they're feeding letterboxed on the regular SD channels this weekend.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 10/30/2008 05:08 pm
How to Receive NASA Television's Occassional HD Programming

NASA TV Downlink Parameters:
Uplink provider = Americom
Satellite = AMC 6
Transponder = 17C
72 Degrees West
Transmission Format: DVB-S
Downlink Frequency: 4040 MHz
Polarity: Vertical
FEC= 3/4
Data Rate= 36.860 MHz
Symbol Rate = 26.665 Ms/s

NASA Johnson Space Center HD Programming:
HD Program = 106
Video PID = 90
AC-3 Audio PID = 91
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID = 92

NASA Kennedy Space Center HD Programming:
HD Program = 105
Video PID = 87
AC-3 Audio PID = 88
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID =89
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/04/2008 02:05 pm
In Monday's STS-126 mission briefing, when talking about the flyaround after undocking, Mike Sarafin said:

"This will also be the first mission where the Space Shuttle goes hi-def, so we will have some hi-def imagery taken of the flyaround.  No promises on getting that down in real-time; that's dependent on satellite coverage as we head into that busy day's activities, but we will gather some imagery in HD of the flyaround.  It should be awesome."

That's all they said about HD in any of the briefings.

For reference, here are the two posts where I transcribed what was said about STS-125 and HD coverage; I don't know if these activities have moved over to STS-126 or not:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg314510#msg314510
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg314616#msg314616
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/08/2008 02:24 pm
How to Receive NASA Television's Occassional HD Programming

NASA Johnson Space Center HD Programming:
HD Program = 106


NASA Kennedy Space Center HD Programming:
HD Program = 105


I just found this thread and have been reading through it.  I think it's awful they aren't using the same program number for all HD activities.  My batch file to automate the recording of an HD event when I'm not around uses program 106.  Now I have to hope the press release or other info says whether the HD will be on program 106 or 105.  I can copy the batch file and change the program number for my automated recording, but I will have to know in advance which batch file to have my scheduler fire off to record something.

as for the comment about 12 mbps looking bad, it doesn't.  NASA is 720p video the last time I looked, not 1080i, so not as much info is transmitted for each frame.  I bet your local FOX/ABC stations are probably running about 12 mbps terrestrially and they are 720p, and they don't look bad, do they?  They don't where I live.   I think NASA HD looks quite good, only in their testing phases did I think it was bad, but they were playing with bitrate and other things, so they were able to figure out the bad looking encoder settings and clean them up.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/10/2008 04:07 pm
NASA Kennedy Space Center HD Programming:
HD Program = 105
Video PID = 87
AC-3 Audio PID = 88
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID =89

This KSC HD service came up on Friday, 5 Mbps 720p.  Note: 5 Mbps is terribly low for MPEG2 HD video; this is probably just up like this for testing purposes, and they'll probably ramp the bitrate up to 12 Mbps later this week.  It was service #1 over the weekend (don't know what video it was carrying), then at around 7:45am this morning it moved to #105.  I haven't checked the audios, no time until later this week.

Actually at one point on Friday there was a 7 Mbps "HQ7" service up at PIDs 46 and 79, but that's all I know about that.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/11/2008 05:03 am
NASA Kennedy Space Center HD Programming:
HD Program = 105
Video PID = 87
AC-3 Audio PID = 88
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID =89

... and a colleague of mine pointed out that they actually have the audios swapped from this published spec.  AC3 is on 89, Musicam is on 88.  Maybe they'll fix it before launch but that's how it was this afternoon.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/11/2008 03:52 pm
Noticed this will be airing starting with Flight Day 3:

HIGH DEFINITION FLIGHT DAY 3 CREW HIGHLIGHTS (pending availability; on the NASA-TV HDTV Channel)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/11/2008 05:33 pm
Indeed, early morning every day up through FD14!

Also I noticed this late on FD3:
VTR PLAYBACK OF DOCKING & AND SHUTTLE HD DOWNLINK TEST

And this on FD14:
ENDEAVOUR FLYAROUND BEGINS (portions may be broadcast in HD)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/12/2008 05:19 pm
Prelaunch news conference was carried on the HD feed.  Still 5 Mbps though, so it looked pretty bad.

Update 1:30pm:  after the news conference they went to HD color bars and tone.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/14/2008 03:13 pm
KSC HD service went from 5 Mbps to 12 Mbps at 15:33 on Thursday.

Audio is still swapped as I mentioned above.  It's fine with me, as long as they don't change it now :)

The Education Channel has a slate up saying that it'll be down "through the STS-126 mission", which is further evidence that we'll have HD feeds coming through the whole time, not just at launch and landing as with recent missions.  Slate is at 0.8 Mbps as before.

FYI, CNN will be carrying this tonight, including HD shots on CNN HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/14/2008 06:53 pm
Musicam audio on PID 88 went to static then silence.  Whoops.  AC3 on 89 is still good.

aaaand it's back.  Outage was around 5 minutes.

aaaaand again at 15:11, but just for a few seconds.

aaaaaand again at 15:34, for about a minute.  It's loud and startling each time.  Grrrr.

Note: I'm talking here only about the HD feed, not the clean feed that is supposed to be on the media channel.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 11/14/2008 07:20 pm
Musicam audio on PID 88 went to static then silence.  Whoops.  AC3 on 89 is still good.

aaaand it's back.  Outage was around 5 minutes.

aaaaand again at 15:11, but just for a few seconds.

Hmmm, maybe this is why they aren't retransmitting the clean feed online...I guess it's going to be somewhat moot if they can't fix it by the time the crew gets to the pad, since that's usually when they bring up the OIS 212 audio...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/14/2008 08:14 pm
At 4:03, the whole multiplex get screwy.  This apparently also drives the internet system because the guys over in the countdown thread reported problems on their internet feeds.  It looks to me like they were remapping bitrates.  They had driven nulls/stuffing down to 5 kbps, which in my opinion is way too tight and it looks like the decoders agreed with me.  At 4:10, it recovered and now there's a LOT of wiggle room (aka stuffing) in the multiplex but there's only 7 Mbps going to the HD feed.

Video bitrates are now:
HQ1 8.67 Mbps
HQ2 2.98 Mbps (still slate)
HQ3 7.46 Mbps
HQ4 6.50 Mbps
KSC HD 7.00 Mbps
(stuffing 2 Mbps)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 11/14/2008 08:16 pm
At 4:03, the whole multiplex get screwy.  This apparently also drives the internet system because the guys over in the countdown thread reported problems on their internet feeds.  It looks to me like they were remapping bitrates.  They had driven nulls/stuffing down to 5 kbps, which in my opinion is way too tight and it looks like the decoders agreed with me.  At 4:10, it recovered and now the bitrates are a lot looser (2 Mbps stuffing) but now there's only 7 Mbps going to the HD feed.
Interesting...I'm still monitoring the Media Channel Internet retransmission and the stream I'm watching was stable during the whole walkout period...at the time, I thought it was my cable provider before seeing the comments in the countdown thread...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/14/2008 09:05 pm
OK, they seem to have corrected the problem and the bitrates are back to more sensible numbers:

HQ1 6.77 Mbps
HQ2 0.80 Mbps (still slate)
HQ3 7.77 Mbps
HQ4 7.67 Mbps
KSC HD 11.80 Mbps
(stuffing 15 kbps)

UPDATE 19-NOV:  Here are some screenshots from the launch

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/15/2008 03:19 am
At around 21:47, they transitioned from the KSC-originated HD service (#105) to the JSC-originated HD service (#106).  Kind of a pain because it blows away any receivers that might be set up to watch 105 -- and any downstream video recorders that might be rolling on that video.  Fortunately in my case I'm recording the whole transport stream (ASI) so I won't miss anything.

They've got a nice HD slate up now; I'll post a screenshot of it sometime over the coming days.  Audio is the program audio from the public/media channels, but it stays with the slate.  I guess we'll only see video during the daily HD highlights feed.

New bitrates are nearly the same, tweaked slightly:

HQ1 6.47 Mbps
HQ2 0.80 Mbps (still slate)
HQ3 7.77 Mbps
HQ4 7.67 Mbps
KSC HD 12.00 Mbps
(stuffing 240 kbps)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/15/2008 05:37 pm
NASA TV dropped out this afternoon and came back reconfigured on the AMC 6 bird as TV 101 Video:111 Audio:114.  All other channels are gone except for the KSC feed on TV1.

Configuration was restored around 5:40 pm ET.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/16/2008 09:15 pm
Getting live HD from ISS on HQ6 now, somewhat ahead of schedule. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 11/16/2008 10:19 pm
Nice.  Too bad I can't watch it. :(

Maybe CNN will air hatch opening.  Doubtful, but it would be cool.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/16/2008 10:43 pm
Fantastic!  I'll get a look at it at work tomorrow.

(... thinks for a few seconds ...)

No, I'm going to VPN into work and look right NOW :)

(... a few minutes later ...)

Well, I see it's in green screen now.

(... a few minutes later ...)

OK, I see that it's intermittent.  Great!  I'll watch tomorrow, this VPN connection sucks.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 11/16/2008 10:57 pm
Yeah, I don't think there's Ku right now as MCC had that green screen projecting as well.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/16/2008 11:15 pm
Unfortunately they are not passing the air-to-ground through, but the HD camera mike is on, which makes for interesting listening. 

And the picture quality is fantastic.  Can you imagine what this will be like from the moon?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/17/2008 02:33 am
Test of shuttle HD downlink is now happening, live and playback, first time ever AFAIK!

Sure is nice to see the shuttle flight deck in wide screen.  Looks like Don was christening the new system with music from an iPod and portable speakers, but we lost the audio.  They ran a segment of RPM video a few times, looks like it was at the end of the RPM when ISS is rising over the tail.  I know this place is prone to hyperbole but that was just gorgeous.  I can't wait until everyone else can see this too :)

Audio was spotty.  Couldn't hear what Houston was saying back to them.

At the end of the test Ferguson said "I guess we'll see you all again on this link on FD15" or something like that.

edit:  Thanks lcs, I knew that, and I've tweaked my text above.  Note that we still will have plenty (cough) of HD coming down via ISS, like during today's docking.  Daily HD highlights package will feed for the first time later tonight!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/17/2008 02:54 am
Actually it was live, just the ISS rising behind the orbiter was playback.  On my big screen HDTV both the video and audio realism was just extraordinary.   Its a shame they won't do this again until FD15. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/17/2008 03:24 am
Odd.  The first attempt to show the HD tour of Columbus, etc. was shown on HQ6 (however without sound.)   The second aborted attempt was not shown. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: larmeyers on 11/17/2008 03:40 am
just jumping in at the end of this... is there a way for someone at home to see any of the HD footage?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/17/2008 03:43 am
Yes, scroll back over the past few pages and you'll see what type of equipment needed. It's not easy.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/17/2008 04:11 am
Now Greg is downlinking the HD video of the orbiter's approach to ISS and promising more of the RPM coming up.  However it is NOT showing up on HQ6.  Someone at JSC fell asleep.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/17/2008 05:44 pm
I'm too busy today to post screenshots, or news even, but at 6am they ran the HD package for the first time (around 20 minutes in length) and have been looping it more or less ever since.  Something's wrong with the audio again.  Getting closer :)

UPDATE:  here's a couple screenshots; it was actually a tour of the station given by Greg just prior to STS-126 arrival; probably the same thing as what you saw the SD channels, but in HD of course :)

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/18/2008 04:41 pm
FD4 HD highlights fed at 6am today; 29 minutes long; seems to be just "roll the camera" footage of activity in the lab; audio was silent all the way through -- a slight intermittent noise was heard noise the last few minutes but I never heard anything else.  Guess they're still working on that.

Outside of the 6:00am-6:30am ET window today, it's been just a green screen with regular audio from the public/media channels (comms, PAO, etc.).

More screen shots of earlier HD feeds will come as I get time.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/18/2008 06:05 pm
HD service dropped at 13:30.  It's back to the regular 4 services with the regular bitrates.  Education is not in slate anymore, and is carrying the spacewalk just like Public and Media.  I wonder if they needed to feed the spacealk out on Education for some reason and will bring the HD back later ...

Update 10pm: EVA is long over, still no HD channel.  I imagine it'll come back in time for the morning's 6am highlights feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/19/2008 02:13 am
Well, it is a pretty good guess.  But for the life of me I don't understand these NASA people.  They start out providing a perfectly good HD channel as promised and even use it to feed the live HD as it comes down.  Then they take it away and feed 'highlights' at the ungodly hour of 6 a.m. ET only once or twice.   Tonight they are downlinking lots of HD but not showing any of it on their advertised feed.  Why can't these people stick with a plan?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 11/19/2008 02:18 am
What is also frustrating, is that they don't show the HD stuff on the SD channel (for those that don't yet have HD)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/19/2008 02:34 am
Yes they do.  What came down in the last 30 minutes was shot with the HD camera and it was shown on the SD channel (obviously not in 16:9 widescreen).  And it is much sharper even on SD than standard ISS or shuttle video. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/19/2008 05:52 pm
FD5 HD highlights fed at 6:00am today.  Only 5 minutes in length, showing EVA ingress and then several crew helping MS1 and MS2 doff their gear.  No sign of the transfer ops footage that was apparently also downlinked.  Audio was good, just open mic, so you could hear regular crew ops as they did EVA support.

Just for my own notes ... The HD service came up just a few minutes before 6:00am.  The HD package came through the first time at 6:00am sharp, then it pretty much stayed on slate for the rest of the hour.  There were two refeeds at 6:26am and 6:34am.  The HD service dropped at 7:07am.  The multiplex is back to the usual 4 SDs.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: bheil on 11/19/2008 06:37 pm
So is any of the HD video that has been downlinked available online anywhere?  I looked at nasa.gov in the media HD section and all I see is the 126 launch. Also searched here, and haven't found any actual video.
Watching at standard def the clarity of the HD stuff they have downlinked has amazed me.  I can't wait to see the HD stuff in all it's glory!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/19/2008 07:00 pm
They did not show all the HD downlinked yesterday.  There was at least 15-20 min. of moving equipment activity that was downlinked along with the post-EVA stuff. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/20/2008 12:37 am
Several posts above updated with screenshots.

The answer to "how do I get NASA HD" is in this post a couple pages back:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg327911#msg327911
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/20/2008 02:33 pm
FD6 HD highlights ran at 6am as usual; 8 minutes in length; starts out with the same FD5 post-EVA ingress/doff activities; adds about 2 minutes of Sandra doing things in Destiny;and finishes with a 10-year anniversary observance by Ferguson and Finke.  Service 106 was up and down in the multiplex as before.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/20/2008 02:53 pm
Oooooh, there's more:  KSC HD 105 made a brief appearance at least once this morning; screenshot below.

Update 2:50pm: and it's back now, with a static pad shot.  The image looks noisy, despite being 12 Mbps like before, so I wonder if they're testing video gear.  Looks like the service has been up and down all day.  Bitrates are:

HQ1 5.66 Mbps
HQ2 2.98 Mbps
HQ3 5.97 Mbps
HQ4 7.99 Mbps
KSC HD 12.00 Mbps
(stuffing 12 kbps)

Hopefully they keep it like this -- or even better, do 5/5/5/5/16.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/20/2008 09:25 pm
The TV schedule PDF now says this on the HD feed line items:

"(HD feed can be seen) on the NASA-TV HDTV Channel #106 at 5am CT; on NASA-TV HD Channel #105 replayed at 7:00am CT, 8:00am CT, 9:00 am CT"

Replay times vary from day to day in the schedule.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/21/2008 08:16 am
But for the life of me I don't understand these NASA people.  They start out providing a perfectly good HD channel as promised and even use it to feed the live HD as it comes down. 

I think this is more of a test of NASA's HD channel this mission than an actual video service.  I don't know anyone without a c-band dish that is accessing this HD channel (no cable, no DISH, no DIRECTV that I'm aware of). 

I do like the idea of more HD from space (the most HD I've seen from space other than ISS PAO events in the past) so I"m grateful for any HD footage that comes down at 6am ET that I can grab with my PC and PCI satellite tuner card.

I think things will flow much more smoothly once the HD service is actually picked up by a few end-users and becomes less of a closed-circuit feed with NASA TV folks learning how to work it.  Right now, I'd just like to tell NASA to stick with one program for HD (instead of one for JSC and one for KSC).  My automater is set for program 106, so if one of these 6am shots comes up on 105, I'm SOL.  With the WAN system NASA has, I don't see why they can't just funnel HD video from any nasa center to the uplink and keep it all on one program number.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/21/2008 02:42 pm
FD7 HD highlights ran at 8:30am ON SVC *105*; 21 minutes long; contains a single camera shot of the IV activity during EVA 2, with EVA audio; afterwards, 105 stayed up (as it had all night) and now it's got a shot of pad 39A and tone.

Per the latest TV schedule PDF, it looks like they're now going to feed this on 105 every day, and at 8:30am ET, so rsmath you should probably adjust accordingly.

Update:  per the third screenshot below, it looks like they've settled on feed schedule.  Those should be ET times.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/21/2008 07:15 pm
[Note the contact emails for any HDTV concerns]

Katherine Trinidad
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1100
[email protected]
 
James Hartsfield
Johnson Space Center, Houston
281-483-5111
[email protected]
   
Nov. 21, 2008
 
MEDIA ADVISORY : M08-237
 
 
NASA to Broadcast Shuttle Mission Highlights in High Definition
 
 
WASHINGTON -- NASA Television is broadcasting highlights from the ongoing STS-126 space shuttle mission in high definition (HDTV).

The NASA HDTV highlights will be broadcast on Saturday, Nov. 22, and Sunday, Nov. 23, at 8:30 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. EST on NASA TV HD Channel 105. On Nov. 24-26 and Nov. 28, the highlights will air at 8:30 a.m., 11 a.m. and 3 p.m. On Nov. 27 (Thanksgiving), the footage will air at 8:30 and 9:30 a.m.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/21/2008 11:44 pm
It does seem odd that HD Highlights would 'originate' from KSC, but that may be old school thinking.  In any case it is nice to see that they are beginning to cater to us end-users. 

Since I have to complain about something, I'll leave it at this:  Please point the HD camera out the window now and again and show us the Earth, the EVA, the Endeavour. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/23/2008 10:01 am
Per the latest TV schedule PDF, it looks like they're now going to feed this on 105 every day, and at 8:30am ET, so rsmath you should probably adjust accordingly.

yep, when I saw one of the newest revisions with 105 as the replay channel, I said "forget 106, I'm taking a 105 replay!" and set my scheduler accordingly.

I am apparently back on track now (got the FD highlights with the crew news conference, after having missed the prior 2-3 FD highlights due to missing 106 or not fed on 106).

I am still finding it very weird that the audio from space on HD material is "floating right next to an astronaut in the ISS" great quality and not this AM-radio-like poor quality we're used to hearing for years from shuttle/iss comms!  ;)



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Gregster on 11/23/2008 03:29 pm
I have been following this thread with interest.  Even though I do not have access to the needed equipment, it is encouraging to see NASA moving forward with HDTV broadcasting from space.  I have noticed increased use of the MPC audio even on the SD channel.  I was watching the coverage of the hatch opening after docking and was actually startled by the sound of the bell ringing for the "Endeavour arriving" announcement.  Being able to hear background sounds with such clarity really gives a 'you are there' feeling to the broadcasts.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/23/2008 09:27 pm
Something went completely haywire with the NASA TV feed on Saturday morning.  At 3:37am ET it started to go nuts, where "nuts" is a technical term meaning "I don't know what it was but my gear went crazy".  Then it appears that the carrier dropped altogether from 4:40am to 9:30am (or at least I lost lock on it).  It was still nuts until 9:46am, when it stabilized enough for me to be able to record it, but it was still glitching terribly.  By 10:00am it had cleaned up, but by then the HD highlight feed was over.

That said, here's a screenshot from the FD8 highlights package; I wasn't able to catch a FD8 slate due to the aforementioned problems.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/23/2008 09:46 pm
FD9 HD highlights did not run this morning, at least not anytime between 8:30am ET and 10:00am; they just had the schedule slate up, and it was glitching badly at times.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/24/2008 09:02 am
FD9 HD highlights did not run this morning, at least not anytime between 8:30am ET and 10:00am; they just had the schedule slate up, and it was glitching badly at times.


Good to know it wasn't my end!  I had 2 hours of the info slate recorded and was wondering if there were no HD highlights, and that appears to be the case.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/24/2008 09:07 am
Something went completely haywire with the NASA TV feed on Saturday morning.  At 3:37am ET it started to go nuts, where "nuts" is a technical term meaning "I don't know what it was but my gear went crazy".  Then it appears that the carrier dropped altogether from 4:40am to 9:30am (or at least I lost lock on it).  It was still nuts until 9:46am, when it stabilized enough for me to be able to record it,

what's your s/n for the feed you receive?  I wonder if you are right at margin and are more apt to lose signal than if you had a solid lock on the NASA signal.  Also, do you take AMC-7 or AMC-6?

I recorded my 2 HD hours just fine Saturday morning and I have a s/n of 10.0 or 11.0, IIRC, and I take it from AMC-6.

I don't have a opening slate to screencap for you since I have already edited my FD8 archived version to go from the opening FD Highlights roll to the ending NASA.GOV roll.   The uiss/endeavour news conference took up the whole HD FD highlights, about 36 or so minutes total.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/24/2008 02:38 pm
FD10 HD highlights; 23 minutes long; about 20 minutes of the PAO interview event with ABC (Gina), CBS (Peter and Bill) and NBC (unknown), then finally a couple minutes of Don Pettit hamming it up with his airfoil cup invention :)

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/24/2008 03:01 pm
what's your s/n for the feed you receive?  I wonder if you are right at margin and are more apt to lose signal than if you had a solid lock on the NASA signal.  Also, do you take AMC-7 or AMC-6?

I recorded my 2 HD hours just fine Saturday morning and I have a s/n of 10.0 or 11.0, IIRC, and I take it from AMC-6.

I'm taking AMC-6.  C/N is about 7-8 dB, and Eb/N0 is 2E-6, which is plenty good.  Further that's with rainy weather today and it was clear Saturday morning.  So I don't think it's a signal margin issue.  Perhaps my IRD just got unhappy; and in fact this morning my playback is still a little glitchy, so I've power cycled the IRD this morning to give it a fresh start.  Although the problem may be with my record/playback system (somewhat of a hack) instead of the IRD.  I'll see how it looks during the 3pm feed this afternoon.

Thanks for the data point that it worked fine for you Saturday morning!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/25/2008 07:55 am
oh, one other point I thought of.  Since you mentioned IRD, do you use what most people refer to as the "quali" - I forget the model number off the top of my head.  That receiver can be problematic and act up if the power supply starts to fail (and I don't know anyone with a quali who uses it often/heavily that hasn't had a failed power supply).

I purchased a second one since the power supply issue messed up my first one (that's my main HD ird for watching) and I use a PCI tuner card for recording hd material.









Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/25/2008 02:55 pm
I'm using professional grade receivers.  Tandberg RX1290 for HD.

My playback glitching problem continued today, but rebooting my transport stream (ASI) capture system seems to have corrected that; I think it got sent into the woods by the Saturday AM problem, whatever that was.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/25/2008 02:55 pm
FD11 HD highlights; just the 1-minute military Thanksgiving PSA and that appears to be it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/26/2008 08:38 am
FD11 HD highlights; just the 1-minute military Thanksgiving PSA and that appears to be it.


yep, blink and you'd miss it!  ;)

I hope FD12 HD highlights in a few hours goes beyond just the crew conference, although I did get a laugh with the moment about the two water bags (Yesterday's and Today's coffee).



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/26/2008 05:07 pm
FD 12 HD highlights; a minute of setup and then the PAO interview event with KRTV Minneapolis MN television (Heide), KPAM Portland OR radio (Don), and Philly media (Chris); 21 minutes in length total.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 11/27/2008 01:59 pm
There was some talk of HDTV equipment further up the thread.

The Telemmersion System (http://www.tx-i.eu/products/description.asp) can produce video panoramas as shown on (http://www.bbc.co.uk/oceans/360/lemonsharks/) the BBC Ocean site. I wonder if the video can be streamed live from the camera as it is stitched together on the fly in the camera and can be delivered as part of an HDTV stream

For a full experience the video could be viewed with goggles or projected onto a dome screen.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/27/2008 02:44 pm
FD13 HD highlights package was a view of the MPLM closeout activities, with PAO commentary, and then the tribute from the commanders to the ground crew; no MPLM movement since that wasn't shot in HD; screenshots on Monday.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/28/2008 06:40 am
FD13 HD highlights package was a view of the MPLM closeout activities, with PAO commentary, and then the tribute from the commanders to the ground crew; no MPLM movement since that wasn't shot in HD; screenshots on Monday.


I'll take a try at FD 13 HD screenshots, to see how well my capture program does of the raw .TS stream from the satellite.

Edit: JPGs are really bad - the writing is much harder to read on the bag in the final grab than when I took a PNG grab of it.  I"ll have to see next time if PNGs are accepted here as they look so much better to me on my local machine than the JPG files do and that should translate to the message forum.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/29/2008 01:44 pm
FD14 HD highlights; 34 minutes total; Don cup demo, Endeavor PAO interviews, followed by goodbye event and hatch closing.

rsmath, PNGs are frowned upon here, and rightly so.  You should be able to make JPGs look just fine by bumping up the JPG quality setting on your capture program or image processing program (resulting in a larger image filesize, e.g. 100kB instead of 50kb).  And even if you can't, you still need to keep it to JPGs.  Thanks for the screenshot work!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/29/2008 01:59 pm
FD15 HD highlights were excerpts of the 20 minutes of ISS HD video shot by Fincke as Endeavor departed; 10 minutes long; great stuff!  Note the shuttle thruster firings (grey plumes) in the 2nd screenshot below.  Sorry about violating the 2-images-per-post rule :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/30/2008 03:57 pm
I don't think there were any FD16 HD highlights.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 11/30/2008 05:16 pm
Is there any HD of the STS-126 station fly around on flight day 15 ? Even just of the slow scan TV images as they can be put together into a time lapse.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/30/2008 05:17 pm
Putting slow scan into HD probably wouldn't look that good - you can check that already in SD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 11/30/2008 05:22 pm
SD for me is heavily compressed 640x480 NASA TV so I did not get very high quality stills of the slow scan images.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/30/2008 07:22 pm
At some point today, the HD service came out of slate, and it now appears to be simply following the Public and Media SD services (with comms and PAO commentary on the audio).  It's just upconverted SD with pillar bars, and the meatball is in the 4:3 corner, not in the 16:9 corner.  Perhaps they will have some HD shots later (like from the post-landing news conference at KSC or JSC) but I haven't seen any yet.

Update 4:30pm ET:  stayed in SD during all of EDL.  We'll see if we get replays or news conferences in HD.

Update 5:05pm ET:  all replays were SD, as expected; KSC news conference cancelled so it's now very unlikely we'll see any HD out of this.

Update 9:40pm ET:  now it's on a static (nighttime) shot of the launchpad, 39A I assume.  I imagine they'll take down the HD service soon (perhaps after one last run of HD highlights), but I wish they'd just leave it up.  It's a pain to have to reconfigure IRDs for the service when it pops back up.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 12/01/2008 05:23 pm
KSC HD service dropped at 8:45am ET this morning; screenshot below shows what was on the service all night and day up to that time (audio was tone).   So much for my wishing and hoping :)

Bitrates are back to a 4-way split:
HQ1  8.67 Mbps
HQ2  8.39 Mbps
HQ3  9.46 Mbps
HQ4  8.50 Mbps
(stuffing ~30 kbps)

Adding screenshots to the long weekend's FD highlights posts above; note FD15 in particular!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 12/02/2008 09:20 am
FD15 HD highlights were excerpts of the 20 minutes of ISS HD video shot by Fincke as Endeavor departed; 10 minutes long; great stuff!  Note the shuttle thruster firings (grey plumes) in the 2nd screenshot below.  Sorry about violating the 2-images-per-post rule :)


Thanks for the screenshots. Where can I get hold of this HD ? Is it purely available on satellite, and if so, can I pick it up in Europe ?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/02/2008 09:27 am
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Thanks for the screenshots. Where can I get hold of this HD ? Is it purely available on satellite, and if so, can I pick it up in Europe ?
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AFAIK, NASA HD is only available in the footprint of AMC-6 or AMC-7 (United States, parts of Canada and Mexico, maybe the Caribbean). 

I don't think ESA is picking it up and retransmiting it to Europe like the SD channel that I think you get from ESA that has some NASA activities on it.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/02/2008 09:29 am

Update 4:30pm ET:  stayed in SD during all of EDL.  We'll see if we get replays or news conferences in HD.

Does anyone happen to know if the Edwards to JSC satellite feed yesterday was still analog or has Edwards upgraded to digital for their path to JSC?

That may tell us if we have any chance of seeing Edwards in HD at some point in the future for shuttle landings or if Edwards isn't going to see much action and an investment in HD is not worth it.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Michael Z Freeman on 12/02/2008 02:26 pm
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AFAIK, NASA HD is only available in the footprint of AMC-6 or AMC-7 (United States, parts of Canada and Mexico, maybe the Caribbean). 

I don't think ESA is picking it up and retransmiting it to Europe like the SD channel that I think you get from ESA that has some NASA activities on it.

Thanks. I am writing to the British National Space Center to see if they can work on bringing HD and other media to Europe as well.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 12/12/2008 03:01 pm
In a release this morning about Christmas greetings from the ISS crew:

Quote
The station crew's greetings will air on NASA TV as part of the daily Video File, beginning at 11 a.m. CST, Friday, Dec. 12. The video also will be broadcast in high definition on the NASA TV HD channel on Dec. 15-17 at 10 a.m., 12 p.m. and 3 p.m.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/12/2008 08:24 pm
In a release this morning about Christmas greetings from the ISS crew:

Quote
The station crew's greetings will air on NASA TV as part of the daily Video File, beginning at 11 a.m. CST, Friday, Dec. 12. The video also will be broadcast in high definition on the NASA TV HD channel on Dec. 15-17 at 10 a.m., 12 p.m. and 3 p.m.


Which NASA TV HD channel?  The release doesn't say (and the live events schedule doesn't list the event).  Another good reason to have just one HD program number for all events instead of 2.  There is not enough bandwidth to ever have 2 HD feeds unless the HD video quality is going to be really poor.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 12/12/2008 08:42 pm
Yup, it'll be a mystery until it happens.  Fortunately they're repeating it 9 times!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 12/15/2008 02:52 pm
It fed on service 106.  Each time it was just a short 1 minute package (played ONCE :( ) and then went back to HD color bars for the rest of the day.  Color bars had no tone.

The HD service dropped at 16:05 on Wed, just minutes after the last scheduled feed.

Look, ISS has ghost arrays now!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/22/2009 04:49 pm
Press release yesterday:

SPACE STATION COMMANDER GUIDES NEW HD TOUR OF COMPLEX

HOUSTON -- Expedition 18 Commander Mike Fincke, aboard the International Space Station with Flight Engineers Sandy Magnus and Yury Lonchakov, recently filmed a high-definition tour of the orbiting complex. The 35-minute tour will air as a special Video File on NASA Television's HD Channel 105 at 1 p.m. and 3 p.m. CST Thursday and Friday.

The special Video File also will be broadcast in standard-definition on NASA TV immediately following the regularly scheduled daily Video File broadcasts.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Oersted on 01/22/2009 10:10 pm
Oh my, I certainly hope it will be possible to download that file!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Oersted on 01/27/2009 12:42 pm
Here's the tour by Fincke in the only way I managed to see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54rusYTwjD4

(Part 1 of 4, links to the others on the page. Remember to click the High-quality option)

I must say I much preferred Garrett Reisman' video journal (a day in the life on the ISS). so much more fun and easygoing and better imagery too, I think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyjRc_oxKV4&
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 01/27/2009 01:08 pm
I agree, Garrett's was more "human".
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 01/27/2009 01:51 pm
I agree, Garrett's was more "human".

However he did have plenty of advanced notice, while this tour was sort of a deer caught in the headlights moment.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: jacqmans on 01/28/2009 03:30 pm
RELEASE: 09-019

AWARD-WINNING NASA TV SHOW LAUNCHES SECOND SEASON

HAMPTON, Va. -- NASA 360, a half-hour television program that explores
NASA's contributions to everyday life, is celebrating its one-year
anniversary. NASA produces the program in partnership with the
National Institute of Aerospace, or NIA, in Hampton, Va. It is part
of the NASA eClips project that provides free NASA educational video
content via the Internet.

"The show has really taken off," said Michael Finneran, NASA 360
executive producer at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va.
"We focus on how technologies developed by or for NASA are being used
in everything from space exploration to consumer products. And we do
it in an entertaining way."

"The National Institute of Aerospace is excited to be working with
NASA on this program," said Robert Lindberg, NIA president and
executive director.

NASA 360 has a fast-paced feel and visual content designed to appeal
to a wide variety of audiences. It is hosted by Johnny Alonso and
Jennifer Pulley. Alonso has performed in movies and on television,
including in "Dawson's Creek" and "One Tree Hill." Pulley has
appeared in "NASA Connect" and many television commercials.

The NASA 360 team just finished its sixth show. The crew traveled to a
remote location in Moses Lake, Wash., to see how NASA is testing new
rovers that may go to the moon in the future. Previous shows have
highlighted global warming research, solar technologies, NASA
contributions to car racing, and how remote sensing and other
innovations are helping uncover history. Other episodes have looked
at Mars exploration, new spacesuit research and NASA contributions to
cordless power tool development and snow ski designs.

Future programs will take viewers to Hawaii, where NASA researchers
test gear in rocky terrain similar to the moon's polar region. Other
segments will feature astronaut training and more NASA contributions
to the world of sports.

"NASA 360 can be seen online at NASA's Web site, on YouTube, MySpace
and Facebook. Viewers also can subscribe to the video podcast through
iTunes. We're using the Internet to try to reach younger audiences to
excite them about NASA and its work," said co-producer Mike Bibbo of
NIA.

"And for those people who may not spend as much time on the web, NASA
360 also can be seen on 900 public broadcasting, cable and commercial
stations across the country and 1,200 Voice of America outlets all
over the world," co-producer Kevin Krigsvold of NIA added. "It also
airs on NASA TV available by satellite or on some cable systems."

The program has won numerous awards, including two Communicator Awards
for overall program and editing, two Omni Awards for overall program
and editing, two Davey Awards for overall program and editing, two
Marcom Awards and two Ava Awards.

To find NASA 360, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/nasa360
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/30/2009 04:45 pm
NASA 360, a half-hour television program that explores
NASA's contributions to everyday life, is celebrating its one-year
anniversary.

I was going to point out that this wasn't an HD show and therefore didn't really belong in this thread, but upon download I see that it is in fact HD (1280x720).  300+ MB, ooof.

They say it's also available on "900 stations" around the country, but I have been unable to find a shred of further info about that.

Update: having now watched an episode, I could do without that Johnny "Bro" Hair Product guy.  I wince every time he speaks :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/30/2009 05:15 pm
Local PBS stations have the option of carrying it - I've not seen it but I've not searched that hard.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/06/2009 06:36 pm
I won't be able to provide my usual summary coverage of NASA's HDTV feeds during this mission, at least for the first few days, because I'll be down at KSC and away from my usual satellite/HD assets.  I'll try to roll tape on it though and may be able to provide some screenshots later when I get back (~ March 16th).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/11/2009 02:34 am
The HD service (KSC HD / 105) came up today at around 10:45am with a static shot of the pad.  Audio is tone.  Screenshots next week.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: cape51 on 03/14/2009 11:24 pm
For those of you that have DirectTV....they will be televisingt he launch on HDTV on channel 79 starting at 1900 tomorrow
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/16/2009 07:42 am
For those of you that have DirectTV....they will be televisingt he launch on HDTV on channel 79 starting at 1900 tomorrow

that's HDNET, right? 

I wonder why DIRECTV and DISH don't just remove one PPV HD channel for 14 days to carry channel 105 for the whole mission (especially now that there is more and more crew choice HD downlink and HD flight day highlights with each mission)

I can understand why cable doesn't do it -- their definition of HD is VOD, not linear HD channels, with their semi-antiquated systems.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 03/16/2009 12:17 pm
What did they say when you contacted them about adding it?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/17/2009 12:31 am
I didn't contact them because I don't care.  I get NASA directly on my c-band dish.

I only use DISH Network for my cable fare programming - NASA TV on DISH is pretty pathetic so I'm glad I use my c-band dish for best video quality.

My other post was just an "out loud stream of consciousness" thing wondering why each satellite provider doesn't just sacrifice just one HD PPV channel for 14 days to give those less fortunate than me a chance to see NASA in HD. 

I bet if they even charged a buck or two to make up for lost revenue from redeployment, they would make more money from space enthusiasts than they would selling PPV HD for the same 14 day period.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 03/17/2009 01:07 am
Heh...NASA TV on Dish is as good as the rest of their SD programming (it all looks bad).

Doubt there's a large number of spaceflight enthusiasts compared to movie watchers though.  But they do have the bandwidth for extra HD, I believe.

I bet if they made a campaign out of it they could get viewers though.

Once NASA launches a full time HD channel, I could see one or both of the companies picking it up.  But I don't see them going through the hassle for every individual mission.

I do like that Dish broadcasts NASA TV for free, no subscription required.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 03/17/2009 01:10 am
I agree - until NASA HD is fulltime, nobody will add it. Would be nice if HDNet at least did the highlights packages, I'll try contacting them.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 03/17/2009 01:16 am
Good idea.  HDNet's coverage has slipped quite a bit since they started covering the launches.  They used to do 2-3 hours of coverage beforehand, now it's like 20 minutes.  They used to cover crew walkout, ingress, etc.

Since the highlights are in HD now it'd be nice if they gave us a way to see them (very few people have BUD's).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/17/2009 01:57 am
on giving others NASA HD, I'll have to figure out what I can do to help that along (i.e. see if I can get my TS recorded file of the events encoded into MP4 for best compression/smallest possible filesize while retaining quality) and see if I can find a file site to host it and others can snag it from there.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 03/17/2009 02:43 am
that would be very much appreciated!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/18/2009 02:55 am
Good idea.  HDNet's coverage has slipped quite a bit since they started covering the launches.  They used to do 2-3 hours of coverage beforehand, now it's like 20 minutes.  They used to cover crew walkout, ingress, etc.

Off on that tangent, HDnet's anchor Greg Dobbs was at the launch, and in the press briefing afterwards he said something strange.  When the mic came to him, he prefaced his question with something like "hi, Greg Dobbs from HDnet, at least until I check my email."  As if he was expecting to no longer be in HDnet employ by the end of the day.  Anyone know what he meant by that?  Just curious.

I should be able to start posting some screenshots here in the next day or two after I get on top of the massive pile that's accumulated during my trip to FL to see the launch.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 03/18/2009 11:24 am
on giving others NASA HD, I'll have to figure out what I can do to help that along (i.e. see if I can get my TS recorded file of the events encoded into MP4 for best compression/smallest possible filesize while retaining quality) and see if I can find a file site to host it and others can snag it from there.




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Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 03/18/2009 12:09 pm
on giving others NASA HD, I'll have to figure out what I can do to help that along (i.e. see if I can get my TS recorded file of the events encoded into MP4 for best compression/smallest possible filesize while retaining quality) and see if I can find a file site to host it and others can snag it from there.

Chuck it up on a torrent site.

In fact, there's a good idea. Chris/Mark, any idea whether or not you can set up some kind of tracker for the larger files that get put up on the server. You could have it L2-only with keys and stuff. That way if any files do get leaked out you can see who did it by the key.

Something like that anyway, I know it's possible. Would save you a ton on bandwidth...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/18/2009 02:36 pm
AAARGH.  I was going to catch the HD playback of the shuttle crew's RPM footage, playing at 7am, 8am and 11am ET this morning according to the TV schedule.  However someone started yappin' my ear off as I was setting it up, and when I realized the distraction was making me miss the window, it was 11:10am and the video was JSC bars.  Did anyone see this actually feed out on HD/105?

update:  Here's the slate they're running now, instead of the static pad shot that we've been seeing for most of the past week or so.  Note: the actual TV image is high def; this screenshot is low res due to the mechanism by which I'm doing it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/19/2009 04:51 am
Did anyone see this actually feed out on HD/105?


yep, I got it (RPM from shuttle POV) - it was part of the HD highlights.  I've re-encoded FD3 HD highlights to MPEG4 (my first MPEG4 encoding of any material) and now I"m going to quality check it.   I already love MPEG4 as it's a smaller filesize than the MPEG2 I"ve been using in the past for NASA HD stuff.

If the file checks out fine, I"ll contact the board op here to see if there is any restrictions on how to distribute the file (i.e. can I use any file hosting site for people to snag it from and post the link here or is there a preferred way of doing things on this site).

EDIT: The file encoded fine (no errors) but it is half the framerate (about 30 fps rather than 60 fps) so I better figure out what I can do to fix it - take the original TS and redo the encoding and see if I can figure out what it takes. 

If Chris or whoever wants to PM me with the groundrules or suggestions, I'm game to talk about that while I work on getting the file to a proper thing (I only want to change the bitrate from 11mbps to 5 mbps but keep the resolution and fps).  Based on other MPEG4 signals I've seen on satellite, 5mbps is still a very good quality bitrate that will result in a decently sized good file.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 03/19/2009 06:56 am
Is it 30fps progressive? That should be alright. Gives it a film look ;)

I wouldn't go down any lower than about 8Mbps to be honest. 5Mbps is about the same bitrate as I've seen used on standard definition DVDs, at a much lower resolution of course.

I still think that your best option for this is to use some sort of torrent tracker. Remember, torrents aren't just the domain of illegal file sharing! :)

Definitely think NSF should look at getting a tracker sorted of their own for large files such as this.

And yes, MP4 is absolutely awesome :) What are you encoding the audio as, out of interest?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/19/2009 08:31 am
Is it 30fps progressive? That should be alright. Gives it a film look ;)

yes, 30fps progressive.   The source TS is 59.xx progressive

I wouldn't go down any lower than about 8Mbps to be honest. 5Mbps is about the same bitrate as I've seen used on standard definition DVDs, at a much lower resolution of course.

This is H.264 video, not MPEG-2.  MPEG-2 at 5mbps is okay, H.264 at 5mbps is awesome and what most cable services use to feed cable headends with a high quality HD signal that your cable or satellite provider then bastardizes to heck by cutting resolution to "hd-lite" and/or bitrate so it looks cruddier by the time you see it.   NASA feeds their HD at 720p and uses MPEG-2 video and bitrate of about 11-12 mbps typical.  They could squeeze about two nice looking H.264 HD signals into the space they use with their one MPEG-2 video one currently, fwiw.

I still think that your best option for this is to use some sort of torrent tracker. Remember, torrents aren't just the domain of illegal file sharing! :)

I'm not familiar with torrents from starting the seeding.  If I can keep the filesize under 1 gb, I found a free file hosting site that should work fine.

And yes, MP4 is absolutely awesome :) What are you encoding the audio as, out of interest?

my mediainfo program says audio is AAC.  I'm using the AC-3 stream from the NASA sourced TS.

i'll take another shot at it tomorrow and see if I can get the framerate up to the 59.xx one - I probably missed a setting when going through and setting up the MPEG4/AVC encoding settings.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 03/19/2009 09:06 am
Oh, you're H.264ing it? Awesome. And AAC as well? I can't wait to see this :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/19/2009 06:32 pm
I wouldn't go down any lower than about 8Mbps to be honest. 5Mbps is about the same bitrate as I've seen used on standard definition DVDs, at a much lower resolution of course.

Apples to oranges, in my opinion.  Standard DVDs are MPEG2; we're talking about MPEG4 here.  5 Mbps MPEG4 HD should be just fine, although at that bitrate you are in the range where different encoding hardware/software may have visually differing results.  8 Mbps gets you great video no matter what, but at the obvious cost of filesize.  If you give the encoder lots of time to do the encoding, 5 Mbps should be plenty.

Edit: yeah, what rsmath said above :)

Further, NASA's feed is actually kinda poor quality, at only 12 Mbps for MPEG2 HD!  That bitrate is below what anybody in the industry is using for network distribution (note: NOT cable distribution to home).  It's got terrible grain as far as I'm concerned.  So you shouldn't be throwing a lot of bitrate at it anyway since you're starting with a degraded image.

I love the HD as much as anyone, but we've got to admit it's not very good quality.  I've been saying since Day One (scroll back in this thread for proof :) ) that they should rework their numbers to lower the SD bitrates and raise HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2009 10:12 am
Here's a link to the FD3 highlights package. 

I'm still quality-controlling FD4's package and probably will have that link tomorrow.

http://files.filefront.com/13497565

IIRC, it's about 451mb in size.  About 11-12 minutes in length.

let me know what you think (quality) to see if I've got it encoded right.  I'll comment in a day or two about what I think about this encoding.  Compared to the master TS file from NASA HD that I used, the resolution matches, the framerate matches, the bitrate is about half but then again I"m using H.264 instead of MPEG-2 like NASA HD uses. 

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2009 10:16 am
Further, NASA's feed is actually kinda poor quality, at only 12 Mbps for MPEG2 HD!  That bitrate is below what anybody in the industry is using for network distribution (note: NOT cable distribution to home).  It's got terrible grain as far as I'm concerned. 

I think it's decent for MPEG2 HD.  It's as good as or better than most terrestrial digital HD transmissions since a lot of stations keep the main service to 10mbps or less so they can fit in some paid multicasting services.  NASA HD is about equal to the majority of cable programmers who use MPEG2 instead of H.264 to feed cable headends and because of 720p, there isn't as much data as there would be in 1080i so that helps, too.   Compared to the major networks feeding their affiliates with HD video, I agree that it doesn't compare to the bitrates they use.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2009 10:40 am
I'm still quality-controlling FD4's package and probably will have that link tomorrow.

Good think I quality controlled it.  2-3 second lipsync issue.  I'll have to check the master TS to see if it's on that or if it somehow happened in the encoding.

If it's not on the master, I'll try reencoding it to fix it.  It's quite annoying to watch when the audio is that far ahead of the video.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/20/2009 02:34 pm
I have not seen MPEG2 HD network distribution TO the home providers (cable, DBS, DTV) down as low as NASA is doing it.  I'm talking about the link that is put up by each network provider (HBO, NBC, CNN, ESPN, etc) onto a C-band satellite for distribution TO the home providers.  Terrestrial DTV is the link AFTER network distribution.  Network distribution is normally at 15-19 Mbps for MPEG2 HD.  I stand by my position that NASA is starving their HD, and the mosquito noise around everything backs me up :)

Did anyone see the HD highlights package roll at 11am?  I believe it's been in color bars the whole time.  I tuned in at 11am and haven't seen it change from that.  I've been distracted by watching SAW deploy on the SD channel though.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2009 08:05 pm
I'm talking about the link that is put up by each network provider (HBO, NBC, CNN, ESPN, etc) onto a C-band satellite for distribution TO the home providers.  Terrestrial DTV is the link AFTER network distribution. 
(...)
Did anyone see the HD highlights package roll at 11am?  I believe it's been in color bars the whole time.  I tuned in at 11am and haven't seen it change from that.  I've been distracted by watching SAW deploy on the SD channel though.

you can't compare HBO or NBC to NASA as they use H.264, not MPEG-2 video for their HD distribution to affiliates or headends.  CNN and ESPN use about 20 mbps for each of their distributions of HD to headends.  I know terrestrial DTV is after network distribution - I just mentioned it because it's a good comparision to NASA HD since they both use MPEG-2 video and it's about the same bitrate for NASA raw or terrestrial after their reprocessing of the network feed.

anyway, I don't think there are FD5 HD highlights as my PC timer is set for 2 of the 3 opportunities and both were color bars.   The tv schedule says something like "if available" so there is no guarantee of HD highlights for a given flight day. 

off to fix FD4 and get it posted...





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 03/20/2009 08:28 pm
Thanks for this - I'm really enjoying it.

Do you have the 30 min or so HD tour of the ISS that Mike did back in January?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2009 08:46 pm
Do you have the 30 min or so HD tour of the ISS that Mike did back in January?

I missed that one - didn't find out about it until after the fact.

If you hear of a rebroadcast of it - doubtful but who knows...let me know and I'll snag it and encode it to H264.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 03/20/2009 10:02 pm
Here's a link to the FD3 highlights package. 

I'm still quality-controlling FD4's package and probably will have that link tomorrow.

http://files.filefront.com/13497565

IIRC, it's about 451mb in size.  About 11-12 minutes in length.

let me know what you think (quality) to see if I've got it encoded right.  I'll comment in a day or two about what I think about this encoding.  Compared to the master TS file from NASA HD that I used, the resolution matches, the framerate matches, the bitrate is about half but then again I"m using H.264 instead of MPEG-2 like NASA HD uses. 



Oh, that's awesome!

I did notice a bit of compression artifacts.  Visible around edges and during motion.  However, I'm not sure if that's due to the compression you used, or just the fact that NASA broadcasts it at a low bitrate to begin with.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2009 10:17 pm
Oh, that's awesome!

I did notice a bit of compression artifacts.  Visible around edges and during motion.  However, I'm not sure if that's due to the compression you used, or just the fact that NASA broadcasts it at a low bitrate to begin with.

still very good, right (i.e. great quality that I look like I'm encoding the master TS properly?)

Does anyone have 5 or 6 channel setup to check out the audio?  I heard buzzing/static in a lot of places using one player, while it was fine when I used two other players to check the encoded file.  I have just a 2 speaker setup so I don't if that means audio channels 3, 4, 5, etc. have buzz/static to them while channels 1 and 2 are fine.

I'm trying to think how I can cut a piece of the master file so one could compare a short piece of master file vs. the encoding I make in H264 just to see if it's master source or encoded source.  The only tools I can think of right now to do that re-encode the piece, so it's not a true file trimmer.









Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 03/20/2009 10:28 pm
The file looks beautiful.  I'm viewing it on a 24" iMac, plays fine.  A few artifacts, yes, but doesn't take away from that breathtaking RPM.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 03/20/2009 11:07 pm
Yes, still very good!

I've got 5.1 sound, but I don't know if I have the proper drivers loaded for the digital output.  I may try attaching my surround receiver tonight though to check it out.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/21/2009 01:03 am
Here is Flight Day 4 HD highlights.

A little bigger at about 757mb because it is almost 20 mins in length.

http://files.filefront.com/13501291

no FD 5 HD highlights forthcoming as they don't exist or they didn't feed them during NASA's scheduled times when my PC is set up to record them.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 03/21/2009 01:07 am
Eagerly downloading!

If this keeps up I'll need a few more hard drives! ;)

Many thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/21/2009 08:08 pm
Per the latest TV schedule, there will only be 7am HD feeds until Tuesday, when they will resume with the 9am and 11am replays.  Perhaps that's what happened last Friday too.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/22/2009 10:02 am
Per the latest TV schedule, there will only be 7am HD feeds until Tuesday, when they will resume with the 9am and 11am replays.  Perhaps that's what happened last Friday too.

a big oops, then (my event timers take the later ones).  I should just add the early one for redundancy starting with Monday's feed if NASA is going to be pulling that crud of not airing it 3 times each morning.   

It's too late for me to get Sunday's feed since I"m not at the PC to set the event, so I hope someone else is rolling and will encode/post it if in fact they don't air it during the later timeslots.

I'm still working on encoding FD6 (and *hopefully* with an error in the TV sked,  FD7 will be on my HD in the morning as well to encode and post).







Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/22/2009 10:03 am
If this keeps up I'll need a few more hard drives! ;)

nah, the H264's are small.  You'd only need more HD's if you are keeping the master TS files.  ;)

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: SimonShuttle on 03/22/2009 10:06 am
This is on a very semi-associated thread. You know there's specific FD threads?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/22/2009 10:19 am
This is on a very semi-associated thread. You know there's specific FD threads?

Just have to make people find the good stuff.   :D

I just saw an email in my box from Chris about other possible threads to put it in, so I think I'll dispense links there, too.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/23/2009 08:01 am
STS-119 Flight Day 6 HD Highlights

http://files.filefront.com/13513436

about 20 minutes in length and 726 MB in size


EDIT: FD7 HD highlights not available as NASA only aired them during the first airing and I wasn't set up to record that airing.  I've added a new timer event so I should be ready from here on out as long as they use the same time of day.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/24/2009 06:57 am
STS-119 Flight Day 8 HD Highlights

http://files.filefront.com/13518642

about 20 minutes in length; 681 mb in size
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/24/2009 07:16 pm
There were no FD9 HD highlights - just color bars/feed schedule slate during all feed opportunities.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/25/2009 06:25 pm
I haven't been paying attention to this for a couple days (been too busy), but something's going on right now.  They're playing a tape showing ISS crew, Koichi and Mike with the PMA hatch closed so apparently just recently, bouncing around the node and doing stuff.  Just caught the last minute and now it's in green screen.  I'll update this post with more as I see it this afternoon.

Update: it was in green screen for about an hour and then went back to the regular HD highlights slate.  Hopefully they mean it now :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/26/2009 04:07 pm
I managed to finally capture one of these HD highlights packages this morning.  Here are some screenshots to drool over.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/26/2009 07:07 pm
I finally got the STS-119 Flight Day 10 HD highlights done.  One hour of highlights (all PAO, I believe) and 2 gigs or so in size.

Because the file hosting site I've been using is suspending operations, I had to find another one.  It only accepts smaller file chunks (300MB) and will delete files 90 days after the last download.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af71aad/n/sts119-fd10hd_mp4_001

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af71gb2/n/sts119-fd10hd_mp4_002

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af710d3/n/sts119-fd10hd_mp4_003

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7129g/n/sts119-fd10hd_mp4_004

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7155c/n/sts119-fd10hd_mp4_005

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7180c/n/sts119-fd10hd_mp4_006

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af71c99/n/sts119-fd10hd_mp4_007

I used HJSplit (free, multiplatform support) to split the file.  Some file compression managers, such as izarc, may be able to rejoin these.

Robert

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/27/2009 06:56 pm
Here is STS-119 Flight Day 11 Highlights.  Lots of HD coverage of the ISS flyaround.   

Files on this file hoster will be deleted 90 days after the last download.
File was split with HJSplit.

35 minutes or so in length, about 1,334 mb in size.


http://www.filefactory.com/file/af74689/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_001

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7496g/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_002

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af75c0h/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_003

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af75e9c/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_004

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7428e/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_005

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 03/27/2009 07:00 pm
March 27 Friday
3:30 p.m. - International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
4:30 p.m. International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
*5:30 p.m.- International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
6:30 p.m.- International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
7:30 p.m.- International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)

March 28 Saturday 
8 a.m. - International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
9 a.m. - International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
10 a.m. - International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
11 a.m. - International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
12 p.m.  - International Space Station Fly Around Video in HD  (In Real Time and Fast Motion)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/27/2009 07:09 pm
Any interest in that being uploaded or is FD11 HD highlight coverage sufficient?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 03/27/2009 07:15 pm
Unless it's in one of those chunks, I'd appreciate just seeing the flyaround without having to download the entire mass.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/27/2009 07:36 pm
The flyaround footage is very slow (mostly real time); note, I'm not complaining!  But you'd have to download pretty much all the chunks.

rsmath, I think you should stick with the FD11 highlights.  What they're showing now seems to be the same thing.  The FD11 highlights had the little bit of crew goodbyes at the beginning; it's only a few minutes, so someone itching for the flyaround would get to it soon enough.  Just now, at what is supposedly the 4:30pm replay, they had a shot of the shuttle control room (live, I think) and then just jumped into the flyaround replay (no slate).  It's the same thing as in FD11 so why bother with the rework?

Edit: oh: rdale left out an important piece of information in his quote from the TV schedule:
"The feed includes a fast time version (3 minutes) and a real-time version (17 minutes)"

So I guess the realtime version is edited down.  I'll watch it and see if I can tell.  I think right now it's realtime.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 03/27/2009 07:43 pm
I thought my copy-n-paste said "fast time" :)

No need to grab it all, but if the 3 minute version is available that'd be cool.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Stephan on 03/27/2009 07:45 pm
NASA has posted the flyaround video in the HD library :
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html
(I've not seen it yet)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/27/2009 07:59 pm
Ah, I missed that, rdale; NSF changed something in their page formatting about a week ago and the right side chops off for me and I don't bother to scroll right sometimes.

I just watched the realtime version all the way through; It's well over 17 minutes, more like 27, seems to be the same flyaround they had in the FD11 highlights.  Then they feed the sped up version.  Now they're back to the HD control room shot.  Props to NASA TV for this one -- this is what they should always be doing when the HD service is up: feeding their content over and over.  However I imagine that they are still doing this manually and so literally need a tape/server operator to play it out on that schedule.

Thanks Stephan for the NASA download link.  It is:  148 MB, 720p, 2m48s long, and is the sped up version.  Killer!  rsmath, looks like NASA saved you that work :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/27/2009 11:42 pm
I won't post the media's repeating flyaround footage - I'll just hope for the best (a KSC landing with my PC HD recording timer firing right) so I can pup up HD landing footage sometime tomorrow if all goes well.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/28/2009 06:42 pm
Some of the post-landing camera replays were in HD (definitely the ~4 shots between the two IR cameras).  And after replays, the shot of the servicing activity was in HD.  I assume that the actual live landing had HD cameras on the HD feed, but I wasn't watching it live.  I'll post some screenshots on Monday if I have time.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/28/2009 08:46 pm
sorry that there won't be a landing HD file from me - I erred in creating the batch file to record it.  The landing batch file has been fixed for the next mission.

If you hear of a replay of the landing in HD and I get enough notice, I can record and encode that, or we can hope NASA posts it to their website like they did the 3 min flyaround version.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 03/28/2009 10:31 pm
Replays tonight.  Again at 8 PM (half hour) if that's enough time:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/28/2009 11:05 pm
Replays tonight.  Again at 8 PM (half hour) if that's enough time:

plenty.  I started rolling hard drive about 7pm ET and happened to catch some replays earlier.  I"m recording the 8pm feed as backup but I haven't seen them start yet - just a HD info slate right now.

edit: do you guys want me to leave the camera title slates in the encoding or just have me cut the replays together back to back to back without camera title slates to try to save some file size?

and one final edit - all replays or just those in HD (I see some appear to have pillars meaning they are from a SD source).





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 03/28/2009 11:07 pm
You rock!  Thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 03/28/2009 11:24 pm
I'll vote for just HD, no real need to keep the title slates in.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/29/2009 02:35 am
I vote for keeping the slates :)  They're useful for reference, such as for identifying which shot you're talking about.  It's only a few seconds.  Actually, I should say, it doesn't matter what I think since I'm not going to be downloading them ...

The HD service now has a "Occasional HD Service" slate, with the satellite feed parameters (interesting Catch-22 there).  Hopefully this means they'll keep it up, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: maxx on 03/29/2009 10:32 am
I vote for keeping the slates :)  They're useful for reference, such as for identifying which shot you're talking about. 
+1 , but you can trim them to 1 sec or something

Thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/29/2009 11:01 am
Here is the STS-119 Landing HD video file - made up of only the HD engineering replays (no SD engineering replays included) and the camera title slates cut out to try to keep down filesize.

Files are deleted 90 days after they are last downloaded and HJSplit was used to split the main file into smaller chunks.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af8b45f/n/sts119-landing-hd_only_highlights_mp4_001

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af8bd40/n/sts119-landing-hd_only_highlights_mp4_002



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/29/2009 11:05 am
I vote for keeping the slates :) 

I think I'll make one more version for those who PM me so I can send the links.  I expect it will be about 5 parts or so instead of just 2 parts when I get done with the longer version.

I've posted the "public" smaller version.  I've been thinking of adding to my own archives the landing with SD engineering landing footage included and cut the camera title slates down from 20 or more seconds to 2-3 seconds each.

I'll start working on it later today and then PM back probably on Monday when I have uploaded it to the hosting site and thus have the links info.






Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: I14R10 on 03/30/2009 02:20 pm
Here is STS-119 Flight Day 11 Highlights.  Lots of HD coverage of the ISS flyaround.   

Files on this file hoster will be deleted 90 days after the last download.
File was split with HJSplit.

35 minutes or so in length, about 1,334 mb in size.


http://www.filefactory.com/file/af74689/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_001

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7496g/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_002

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af75c0h/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_003

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af75e9c/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_004

http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7428e/n/sts119-fd11hd_mp4_005



Wouldn't the rapidshare be better? ;)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/30/2009 03:36 pm
NASA TV dropped the HD service at 10am EDT this morning and the four SD services have been adjusted back to 8-9 Mbps each.

See you in May!

Edit 01-May:  Last time, they brought up the HD service only 36 hours before the launch, so we should not expect anything until next week.  I'll be checking though!  (posted via edit because it's not important enough to bump the whole thread, just noting it)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/08/2009 06:39 pm
The HD service is up!  Static shot of pad with 1 KHz tone on audio.

Bitrates are the same as last time:
HQ1 5.66 Mbps
HQ2 2.98 Mbps
HQ3 5.97 Mbps
HQ4 7.99 Mbps
HQ5 12.00 Mbps  (still starved!  bah!)

They gave us a lot more HD material during the STS-119 mission, more than ever before, including footage and commentary from the crew in orbit.  Perhaps we'll see as much during this mission, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't because this mission's work schedule is so jam packed.

Time to repeat my answer to the most frequently asked question here -- how can I see this HD feed.  Here are some links to earlier posts in this thread where I explain what this is we're talking about.  In short:  you almost certainly can't get it.  It's a media feed, and you need a Really Big Antenna to get it (among other things).  DirecTV/Dish doesn't cut it.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg270176#msg270176
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg281169#msg281169
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg282356#msg282356

If you DO have a Really Big Antenna (aka a C-band dish), and an HD-capable receiver, then use the parameters in rdale's post a while back:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg327956#msg327956

NASA makes a few of the videos available for download later at:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html

SpaceVidCast (http://www.spacevidcast.com/) is carrying the live HD feed, however it is a Ustream web feed and at far lower resolution and framerate than full HD.  you can see the whole 16x9 frame though.  We'll see how well it holds up during the launch.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/08/2009 07:43 pm
They just ran the "STS-125 webcast", a 10-minute package about the mission.  I guess this was a test for Sunday.  They're back to the static pad shot.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/10/2009 09:10 pm
Just FYI, I will be back to daily (or more) screenshot activity here for this mission as I have in the past (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg330263#msg330263).  For the last one (STS-119) I was in Florida so I couldn't do it.  Also I've got upgraded capture hardware so I should be able to work faster and provide more and better screenshots.  However I am still only doing a few a day, certainly nowhere near the pace that Ford Mustang et al do it in the live threads, and often they will be posted A DAY LATER.  All this interferes with my real job :)

Members lcs and rsmath have contributed HD screenshots / videos here in the past so they may this time too.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 05/10/2009 09:27 pm
There's no way you could provide a HD RSS Retract video is there Chris?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: StarbucksDiva on 05/10/2009 09:31 pm
Over at Spacevidcast you can see RSS HD feed If you want. *enjoy*
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 05/11/2009 01:11 am
Full streaming of NASA TV in HD (they even have pics of them installing the satellite dish on their twitterpage) at http://spacevidcast.com
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/11/2009 03:37 am
Thanks rdale! I've added a link to that in my info post above.  Yup, that's a Big Ugly Dish (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10451195@N03/sets/72157617823559143/) alright.

For the record:

Sat May 9th they carried the 1100 briefing and the 1830 briefing in HD.

Sat May 10th they carried the 1000 briefing (with prep B-roll following it) and the 1230 briefing, and a few other repeats throughout the day.  They carried the RSS retract, with multiple cameras in HD (cams 060, 070, 071, 076).  Oddly, I don't think they carried the "STS-125 webcast update" as scheduled; they DID carry that on Friday (see above) so I'm not sure why they didn't feed it.

Otherwise they stayed on the static pad shot.

Maaan I am digging this new capture hardware.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 05/11/2009 03:55 am
There's no way you could provide a HD RSS Retract video is there Chris?

Here it is!  It's in .MP4 format, H.264 encoded.

372.8MB - RSSRetraction.mp4 (https://spacevidcast.egnyte.com:443/h-s/20090511/c62548cffd264f67)

Thanks to SpaceVidcast of course!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/11/2009 07:05 pm
Some camera replays on the SD channels are not showing up on the HD channel.  I see CS1 and CS2 cameras on the SD channel right now and just a pad shot (watching pad crew) on the HD channel.  I'll have to go back and look at my capture to see what other deltas there were.

Update 4pm with another delta -- SD channels are showing payload bay, HD is showing control room.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/11/2009 09:12 pm
Thanks rdale! I've added a link to that in my info post above.  Yup, that's a Big Ugly Dish (http://www.flickr.com/photos/10451195@N03/sets/72157617823559143/) alright.

For the record:

Sat May 9th they carried the 1100 briefing and the 1830 briefing in HD.

Sat May 10th they carried the 1000 briefing (with prep B-roll following it) and the 1230 briefing, and a few other repeats throughout the day.  They carried the RSS retract, with multiple cameras in HD (cams 060, 070, 071, 076).  Oddly, I don't think they carried the "STS-125 webcast update" as scheduled; they DID carry that on Friday (see above) so I'm not sure why they didn't feed it.

Otherwise they stayed on the static pad shot.

Maaan I am digging this new capture hardware.


What "Capture hadrware" are you using?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/11/2009 10:21 pm
Pixelmetrix DVstor.  Expensive professional MPEG gear.  We just upgraded it last month and it has a thumbnailing feature that allows me to scan captures (e.g. looking for events on otherwise inactive feed) in an instant.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/12/2009 04:07 pm
May 11th / Flight Day 1

HD Highlights aired at midnight; just showed the ET video.

This morning, a slate said HD highlights would air "6am-9am Daily"; not sure if that was going to be hourly, continuous repeat, or what?  Here's what actually aired:
0600  ET downlink, 10 minutes
0627  ET downlink, 10 minutes
0717  proper HD highlights package, countdown, launch, HD camera replays, 54 minutes
0831  proper HD highlights package, countdown, launch, HD camera replays, 54 minutes

So it took them a while to get it settled in, but they did eventually put out a nice HD package!

Yesterday, the HD service didn't carry ANYTHING other than a static control room shot from 1600 to 2359.  During this period, of course, there was tons of activity on the SD channel(s) -- orbital activities, ET downlink, etc.  So I guess the next thing on the wishlist would be for NASA TV to carry the SD content (upconverted without stretch) on the HD service if there's nothing going on specific to HD.  That way we can just monitor the HD service (those of us who can see it).  As it stands, I monitored HD all day and missed all the interesting things going on on SD from 1600 to 2400.

Today the service has stayed in slate except for the HD highlights feeds noted above.  Oh wait, it's got audio!  Huh.

Thanks though to NASA for the great countdown coverage in HD!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/12/2009 11:49 pm
Crew just downlinked HD of crew self-interviews, but they did not feed it to HQ5.  Since in principle they can do it, I suppose it is just a manpower problem.  Evidently there is no person at Goddard whose job it is to forward the live HD stuff from JSC up to the satellite on demand.  A pity, since live HD coverage of the Hubble capture and EVAs would be a real treat. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/13/2009 01:06 am
Yeah, I think that's exactly what's going on, they don't have the manpower or the automation equipment to do the things we expect.  It's sort of like waiting for John44 around here :)  You just have to wait until they get in the next day.

It also may explain why the first couple runs of the HD highlights (nominally starting at 6am) are kind of rough, and by later in the morning they've got the whole package put together.  Today they didn't get it out until 7:30am.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/13/2009 02:19 pm
May 12th / Flight Day 2

HD Highlights aired starting at 6:16am.  It ran for over 3 hours, but it was just the 9-minute STOCC package over and over!  There were two periods (0711-0721 and 0816-0834) when it was in slate or black, but otherwise just that one package running over and over.  I guess there was no crew HD downlink yesterday, which is understandable considering the workload on this mission.

Then at 10:06am they started a run of yesterday's hour-long HD launch package again.  Fine with me, I'm just glad they're running something besides slate!  Their MPEG2 system is CBR so whether or not a service has active video or not doesn't affect the other services, so they might as well run content ...

At 11:45am they went back to running the 9-minute STOCC package over and over, until around 13:30.  The rest of the day was slate, except for one run of the NEW STOCC package from 20:43 to 20:57.

Update:  per the FD2 live thread, from 0159 to 0224 they "... showed the Flight Day 2 highlights on NASA TV. Great handheld video of the crew at work and some fun interviews, seems like they are having a ball up there."  That's all supposed to be HD footage, which they suposedly downlinked in HD, so I guess the ground didn't have time to turn it around to the HD package.  Bah! :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/13/2009 03:15 pm
The crew DID downlink HD last night as I posted.   The STOCC feed from Goddard came 2 hours later at 9:30 pm ET.   The only difference that I can see it that the crew HD was unscheduled.  Or maybe there was no opportunity to transfer the HD from JSC to GSFC.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/13/2009 09:16 pm
I so enjoyed your encodes during STS-119, do you plan on doing same for STS-125?

I vote for keeping the slates :) 

I think I'll make one more version for those who PM me so I can send the links.  I expect it will be about 5 parts or so instead of just 2 parts when I get done with the longer version.

I've posted the "public" smaller version.  I've been thinking of adding to my own archives the landing with SD engineering landing footage included and cut the camera title slates down from 20 or more seconds to 2-3 seconds each.

I'll start working on it later today and then PM back probably on Monday when I have uploaded it to the hosting site and thus have the links info.







Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/13/2009 09:46 pm
he is busy with uploading of the MP4 files on filefront

I so enjoyed your encodes during STS-119, do you plan on doing same for STS-125?




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/13/2009 09:57 pm
great news - thanks!

he is busy with uploading of the MP4 files on filefront

I so enjoyed your encodes during STS-119, do you plan on doing same for STS-125?





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/14/2009 12:02 am
Sorry it took a while, things have been hectic at work.  I have STS-125 launch and FD1 highlights in HD encoded to H264 for posting.   I never captured FD2 HD highlights if it existed - I didn't see it in the TV schedule and my 6am recording didn't show any highlight - just the slate.

I am working on Launch Engineering HD and will have that posted at some point (after the H264 encoding and after I can upload that large of file to filefront).

Here is the link to STS-125 FD1 HD highlights:

http://files.filefront.com/13749514

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/14/2009 12:11 am

STS-125 Launch

H264 encoded, about 616MB in size

http://files.filefront.com/13750719

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/14/2009 01:00 pm
STS-125 Flight Day 3 HD Highlights

about 10 minutes, 410mb, H264 encoded video file

 http://files.filefront.com/13755044

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/14/2009 05:02 pm
May 13th / Flight Day 3

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service at midnight.

From 0614 to 0900 they started running that crew HD footage over and over; it's 11 minutes long.

Since 0900 they've been flipping around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, STOCC package, ET downlink, even Monday's launch.  That continued all day until around 22:40, when I guess their video crew went home.  Again, I'm just glad they're running something besides slate.  Thank you NASA and GSFC!  These are the kind of baby steps that they would have to take before running the HD service 24-7 ... Hey, I can dream :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/15/2009 06:10 am
These are the kind of baby steps that they would have to take before running the HD service 24-7 ... Hey, I can dream :)


I wish they would show MCC in HD when they aren't running the various packages rather than the slate as that would make it a little bit cooler 24/7 mission feed (and pillar bar in the live non-HD shuttle video since the shuttle can't do 24/7 HD transmissions to the ground).

One of these days we probably will get 24/7 HD from space if they can do a dual-path setup from the ISS/shuttle to TDRS (one path telemetry/ voice and the other path just for HD video).







Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/15/2009 02:56 pm
Don't hold your breath.  I'm just hoping they get it done in time for Constellation.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/15/2009 03:08 pm
May 14th / Flight Day 4

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service at midnight.

From 0602 to 0856 they started running that crew HD footage over and over; it's 13 minutes long.  As they neared the top of the hour (0700 and 0800) they took a break (went to black / slate) and then started fresh about 3 minutes after the hour.

Since 0900 they've been flipping around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, STOCC package, ET downlink, launch replay.  So this seems to be the routine for now.

At 1532 they had some sort of glitch and the HQ4 and HQ5 services dropped out, meaning no HD service at all.  I don't know how long the glitch lasted; I'll find out on Monday.  It may have only been a couple minutes; definitely by 1600 it was back to normal.

At 2010 they stopped the replays and went to black/slate.

At 2144 they played the latest STOCC update; length was around 16 minutes.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/16/2009 04:44 pm
May 15th / Flight Day 5

Crew choice HD downlink did NOT show up on the HD service overnight, or if it did it was very short (less than 5 minutes).  Could have been skipped due to crew loading.

From 0600 to 0900 they started running the FD4 crew HD footage over and over.  As they neared the top of the hour (0700 and 0800) they took a break (went to black / slate) and then started fresh a couple minutes after the hour.

Since 0900 they've been flipping around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, STOCC package, ET downlink, launch replay.

No screenshots, unless I see that they did actually feed something new.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/17/2009 05:14 am
May 15th / Flight Day 5

Crew choice HD downlink did NOT show up on the HD service overnight, or if it did it was very short (less than 5 minutes).  Could have been skipped due to crew loading.

I concur no FD5 HD highlights.  My theory is that Mass is the HD documenter and since he was on the spacewalk yesterday, there was no HD because he was busy spacewalking.

I think he does the spacewalk on FD7 so we'll see if we get HD on FD7 or not.

btw, NASA needs to feed the hamsters.  signals way down on saturday compared to normal on AMC-6.  I might not get a clean FD6 HD highlight package to post - I'm trying again at the 6am feed time because the midnight ET feed time recording was full of digital artifacting from just at threshold reception.   My dish appears to be in good shape after the 60 mph winds last night - my initial thinking was the winds blew out panals on my dish but I didn't see any of that when I did a quick glance of my dish with a flashlight to see if the low levels were from dish damage.

FD4 HD highlights will be available as soon as I quality check it and upload it to filefront, so probably in a few hours from now.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/17/2009 11:55 am
Thanks so much for encoding and uploading these - am really enjoying the HD Highlights!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/17/2009 12:45 pm
Here are the FD4 HD highlights - H264 encoded, about 479mb:

http://files.filefront.com/13769356


There are no FD5 HD highlights since NASA Television did not air them, at least not during the several opportunities I recorded.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/17/2009 12:48 pm
The FD5 HD Highlights were downlinked yesterday along with the FD6 highlights.

Crew remarked they didn't have time to downlink them on FD5

Here are the FD4 HD highlights - H264 encoded, about 479mb:

http://files.filefront.com/13769356


There are no FD5 HD highlights since NASA Television did not air them, at least not during the several opportunities I recorded.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/17/2009 01:31 pm
The FD5 HD Highlights were downlinked yesterday along with the FD6 highlights.

Crew remarked they didn't have time to downlink them on FD5

ok, i'll see if they came out okay (FD5 and 6) when I check the recordings in a few hours to see if it got recorded and if there are no digital artifacts from the low signal strength, although the AMC-6 NASA HD feed did improve slightly when I checked it an hour after I reported low signal strength issues.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/17/2009 08:46 pm
May 16th / Flight Day 6

Crew choice HD downlink showed up on the HD service; a couple false starts at around midnight and then a full run at 0019; 7 minutes in length.  There is some awesome footage of them going down below the middeck floor (pulling out a LIO frame, hunting down a loose bolt, taking the camera down in there for a brief tour).  FD5 footage not seen yet.

From 0600 to 0900 they started running the FD6 crew HD footage over and over.  As they neared the top of the hour (0700 and 0800) they took a break (went to black / slate) and then started fresh a couple minutes after the hour.

Since 0900 they've been flipping around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, STOCC package, ET downlink, launch replay.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/18/2009 03:35 pm
May 17th / Flight Day 7

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service at midnight.

From 0608 to 0916 they started running that crew HD footage over and over; it's about 11 minutes long.  It includes some fascinating footage of lightning storms on earth (difficult to screenshot).  Still no sign of FD5 footage.  They took a break (went to black / slate) from 0756 to 0818.

Since 0949 they've been flipping around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, STOCC package, ET downlink, launch replay.  I'm hoping to find last night's STOCC package, where they had the footage of the test they did at Goddard where they ripped the handrail off!  It was somewhere in the middle of the package.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/19/2009 12:25 pm
STS-125 FD6 HD Highlights

H264 encoded, about 286 MB.

http://files.filefront.com/13774432

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/19/2009 12:35 pm
STS-127 FD7 HD higlights

H264 encoded, about 420 mb in size

http://files.filefront.com/13778760

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/19/2009 04:11 pm
May 18th / Flight Day 8

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service at midnight; was 14 minutes long.

From 0600 to 0915 they started running that crew HD footage over and over.

Since 0915 they've been flipping around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, STOCC package, ET downlink, launch replay.

Screenshots shortly.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/19/2009 09:14 pm
figured out the low signal issue - neighbor's tree growth worse than in recent years.  Thank goodness for AMC-7!

====

STS-125 FD8 HD highlights

H264 encoded, about 529mb.

Mike Massimino is pretty funny in this one.

http://files.filefront.com/13779406

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: floron on 05/19/2009 10:31 pm
Mike Massimino needs his own TV show...he's got the gift of the gab  :D

thanks for posting these up!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/20/2009 07:22 am
Mike Massimino needs his own TV show...he's got the gift of the gab  :D

thanks for posting these up!

too bad his gift of gab was only in SD on FD9.  Apparently no FD9 HD highlights, although the SD appeared to be sourced from some of the HD camcorder footage.  Would have loved to see HD footage of the Hubble goodbye and flying near the overhead windows while doing the separation burn.

Yes, Mike M should get his own show, unlike the "entertaining" crybaby Florida judge in the anna nicole smith hearings.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/20/2009 03:04 pm
May 19th / Flight Day 9

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service well before midnight, at around 2250; was 22 minutes long.

From 0613 to 0900 they started running that crew HD footage over and over.

At 0829 this morning (during the above looping playback) my capture went screwy; not sure yet if this was because of problems at their end or my end.

From 0900 to 1000 they flipped around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, STOCC package, ET downlink, launch replay.

At 1000 this morning they went to live shot of MCC; then they had the PAO event (live HD! screenshot in next post); since then they've had either a shot of MCC or a replay of the PAO event.

rsmath, get that FD9 highlights encode running :)

[note:  I think my clock timestamps are off (slow) by about 2 minutes]
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/20/2009 03:05 pm
The PAO interview event came down live on the HD service!  This is not the first time they've done a live HD downlink from orbit, but it is very rare.  This might be the 2nd or 3rd time ever.

Live camera feed was up from 1024 to 1105, just a few minutes before and after the actual PAO event.

Audio was missing during camera setup.  During the event the audio was low and in the right channel only.  Looks like they still need to work on that.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/20/2009 10:29 pm
May 19th / Flight Day 9

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service well before midnight, at around 2250; was 22 minutes long.

From 0613 to 0900 they started running that crew HD footage over and over.

rsmath, get that FD9 highlights encode running :)




nothing to encode.  Nothing shown at midnight, so I thought no FD9 stuff (and nothing in the TV sked saying there would be anything to feed or re-feed at 6am).

I'll monitor 105 and see if I can catch it at some odd-ball time, like the other early evening when they replayed the launch and earlier day FD HD highlights).

Hopefully there is a planned refeed of FD9 highlights at some point so I can set a timer for it.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/21/2009 02:05 am
Oh.  I thought you were rolling constantly on it.  They've been feeding every day from 6am to 9am though.  Oh well, maybe you'll get it tonight, seems likely since they've also been repeating the HD feeds all day until around 10pm or so.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/21/2009 03:05 pm
May 20th / Flight Day 10

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service well before midnight, at around 2257; it was 53 minutes long, and consisted mostly of the PAO event (in HD).  But then tacked on the end was about 13 minutes of something that I still need to look at; looks like it was new.

From 0604 to 0915 they started running that crew HD footage over and over.

Since 0920 they've flipped around between black, slate, and the various packages we've seen already:  crew HD, Hubble packages, ET downlink, launch replay.

Screenshots below are of the new material; see earlier post for PAO event.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/21/2009 07:20 pm
So they fed the live network PAO event on HQ5 at 3PM ET, but immediately returned to launch replays even though the crew choice HD downlink continued.  It must be costly in resources to source live material since they don't take advantage of obvious opportunities.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/21/2009 08:41 pm
3pm ET today?  Damn.  I had my recording system shut down from 1:45pm to 3:45pm.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/22/2009 09:59 am
update: patience is needed with FD10, FD11 files - almost an hour in length for each one so h264 encoding takes quite a bit longer than an 11 minute highlight and the filesize is way bigger too (FD10 is just under 2GB).

edit: stlll looking for FD9 HD highlight rerun to appear - I've recorded many hours over the last fwe days and it seems to have not have reaired.  Maybe later in the day after landing, or maybe it'll be posted to NASA's site just like the HD launch footage that has recently been posted.

I'm uploading FD10 to filefront right now, will have links when I get it done and I will encode FD11 tomorrow - but will give Landing encoding/posting priority - if landing even happens tomorrow.

landing timer events set, hope all goes well with florida weather and my timer events and we all can enjoy HD landing footage tomorrow evening.  ;)



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/23/2009 01:26 pm
STS-125 FD 10 HD Highlights

Almost 2 GB total when you join the three parts back together.
H264 encoded, almost 1 hour of PAO and Massamino's interviews with
fellow crew.

HJSplit (free software) used to split the file into three parts, some file managers may have rejoin capabilities or you can use HJSplit to reconstruct them.

http://files.filefront.com/13791638
http://files.filefront.com/13791985
http://files.filefront.com/13795423

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 05/23/2009 02:10 pm
For the sake of keeping a NASA HDTV update thread, why not make a separate HD thread for each flight so the discussions can continue in a thread about the HDTV feed itself?

(Many thanks for doing this - just noting it might be easier to discuss HD and also go back and grab STS125 HD if it was in a dedicated thread)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/24/2009 03:34 am
I think this thread is fine as long as NASA TV HD isn't 24/7, since this thread is pretty dead when NASA isn't in the middle of a shuttle mission or is feeding something special like the Earth Day feed or various anniversary documentaries in HD.

btw, I'm uploading the final part of FD11 HD highlights and I'll have the links when that is done.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/24/2009 11:51 am
STS-125 FD 11 HD Highlights

Almost 2GB in size, about 50 minutes or so, H264 encoded.

File split into 3 parts with HJSplit (free software); you can use that to rejoin them or your file manager may already have the capability to join split files


http://files.filefront.com/13795964
http://files.filefront.com/13797070
http://files.filefront.com/13799472

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/24/2009 01:07 pm
STS-125 FD 11 HD Highlights


Thanks
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/24/2009 02:06 pm
HQ5 has been running color bars since yesterday with the label 'NASA HQ1 HD TEST' and no feeds from KSC during landing ops.  TV1 is running a feed from Edwards (10AM ET)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/25/2009 06:24 am
there is no HD landing footage as NASA didn't roll an HD production/uplink truck to Edwards.

I will be posting the Launch HD engineering stuff in the next few days as soon as I finish preparing it and uploading it to filefront.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 05/25/2009 07:16 am
there is no HD landing footage as NASA didn't roll an HD production/uplink truck to Edwards.
Are you sure? One of the landing replays was billed as a HD video. And it had the HD-to-SD quality look on it and was different from the rest of the landing replays which obviously was SD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/25/2009 07:20 am
Are you sure?

very sure.  I was recording the HD channel during all 3 landing windows and my recordings were all color bars.  If NASA had HD landing video available, you'd think they'd feed it live over 105 rather than having color bars.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/25/2009 12:12 pm
Were you ever able to capture the FD9 HD Highlights?

Great job on all the other captures & encodes - thanks!

May 19th / Flight Day 9

Crew choice HD downlink showed up once on the HD service well before midnight, at around 2250; was 22 minutes long.

From 0613 to 0900 they started running that crew HD footage over and over.

rsmath, get that FD9 highlights encode running :)




nothing to encode.  Nothing shown at midnight, so I thought no FD9 stuff (and nothing in the TV sked saying there would be anything to feed or re-feed at 6am).

I'll monitor 105 and see if I can catch it at some odd-ball time, like the other early evening when they replayed the launch and earlier day FD HD highlights).

Hopefully there is a planned refeed of FD9 highlights at some point so I can set a timer for it.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/25/2009 12:47 pm

I never did find the mythical FD9 highlights.  All the loops after that were the STOCC update clips and FD highlights up to FD4 or so (I don't know why they never added to that repeating loop FD5 to the current FD).

I'll check again tomorrow and see if they fianlly put it all together into a complete loop and see if FD9 is part of it. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/25/2009 01:14 pm
Thanks - a shame though, since FD9 HD included in-cabin of HST deploy and views of it departing.


I never did find the mythical FD9 highlights.  All the loops after that were the STOCC update clips and FD highlights up to FD4 or so (I don't know why they never added to that repeating loop FD5 to the current FD).

I'll check again tomorrow and see if they fianlly put it all together into a complete loop and see if FD9 is part of it. 

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/25/2009 09:22 pm
I'm back after being basically offline since Thursday night.  I'll check my recording system on Tuesday morning and will catch up on the rundowns and screenshots then.

For the sake of keeping a NASA HDTV update thread, why not make a separate HD thread for each flight so the discussions can continue in a thread about the HDTV feed itself?  (Many thanks for doing this - just noting it might be easier to discuss HD and also go back and grab STS125 HD if it was in a dedicated thread)

I'd rather not make separate threads.  There's not much to discuss about the HD service outside of missions, at least not until NASA gets around to putting it up 24/7 for cable companies to take (and I've heard of no such intent).  Further I like having it all in one thread here so I can easily zip back to an earlier mission to see what they did last time.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/26/2009 05:47 pm
May 21st / Flight Day 11

This is a placeholder post for FD11 if I ever get information about what feeds came down on this day.  I was out for a few days and my recording system didn't have enough capacity to store all the way back to this date.  But I might find something out later today as I get caught up.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/26/2009 05:47 pm
May 22nd / Flight Day 12

Nothing was fed the next day, or at least there wasn't anything in a repeat loop as before.  All I have starts at 1100 on May 23rd, as that's as far back as my recording system goes, so it's possible there was something before 1100 that but I doubt it.  There were just color bars as shown in the attached screenshot.  I think they had the Ku-band system stowed so this may be the end of HD for this mission.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/26/2009 06:00 pm
May 23rd / Flight Day 13

Nothing was fed at any time early on the 24th, i.e. no FD13 highlights.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/26/2009 06:05 pm
May 24th / Flight Day 14

Just color bars for the whole 24 hours as above.  I was obviously hoping for live landing coverage, but I guess they don't have HD capability at Edwards, at least not live.  The SD replays from 1355-1415 did include a letterboxed "HD Cam" view, but we did not see anything on the HD service.  Looking at May 25th / post landing next ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/26/2009 06:13 pm
May 25th and May 26th

Nothing but color bars all day on Monday May 25th

Color bars continued on Tuesday May 26th until 0724, when the HD 105 service dropped and they went back to 4 SD channels.

See you in a couple weeks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/28/2009 10:34 pm
Interesting though that the slate called it 'NASA HQ1 HD Test', since HQ1 has always been SD.  Does this portend full time NASA HD?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/29/2009 08:16 pm
Hmmm, good point, I missed the (possible) significance of that.

If I had more time, I'd examine my captures of the transport stream to see if it was coming from different (new) encoders, or if the bitrates were different ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/02/2009 03:29 pm
By complete coincidence, I happened to go look at the multiplex just now, and the HQ5/105 HD service came up at 11:09am today.  It's got "NASA HQ1 HD TEST" bars like it did last week.  However the bitrate is down at 4 Mbps, which is ludicrously low for MPEG2 HD, so this must be just an audio test or for lineup purposes.  PIDs are 82 for video and 83 for audio, and the audio is 192 kbps MPEG1 stereo with tone.

And as I typed this, it dropped again -- at 11:27.  Perhaps this has been happening all week and I just stumbled across it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/03/2009 12:25 am
By complete coincidence, I happened to go look at the multiplex just now, and the HQ5/105 HD service came up at 11:09am today.  It's got "NASA HQ1 HD TEST" bars like it did last week.  However the bitrate is down at 4 Mbps, which is ludicrously low for MPEG2 HD, so this must be just an audio test or for lineup purposes.

4mbps is indicative of color bars or black slate - very low bitrate since there is nothing encoder/bitrate intensive going on.

I'm kicking myself for not thinking they'd bring up 105 for the SCA landing today in HD.  I'm going to check it now and see if there is redemption for me in recording/posting HD SCA footage.

EDIT: 105 was gone when I checked, so I don't know if it was a one time use for the SCA landing or if it wasn't used at all.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/03/2009 07:34 am
STS-125 Launch Engineering HD Replay

H264 encoded, about 850mb in size, I cut down the slates between clips to just a few moments for those that want to know what camera angle is being used.

http://files.filefront.com/13837587
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/03/2009 04:43 pm
The HQ5/105 HD service came up at 11:09am today
...
And as I typed this, it dropped again -- at 11:27.  Perhaps this has been happening all week and I just stumbled across it.

I don't have my usual recording system set up (I'm only commandeering it for missions) but this morning I did set up another system where I can sort of buffer what's happened in the last 6 hours.  It looks like they raised the HD service again today, for just 2 minutes from 10:47am to 10:49am ET.  Intriguing!

Edit:  been up and down since 12:59; this time I caught it and it's bars and tone (250 Hz I think) as before.  4 Mbps ... no, wait, 10 Mbps ... no, 12 Mbps ...

Dropped at 14:07. OK, back to real work :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/11/2009 03:55 pm
HD service is up -- at 5 Mbps!  Slate says that they'll have the noon presser.  We'll see how it looks -- I predict awful.  This must be another audio / plumbing test.

Update 12:05:  now in progress, and it looks surprisingly good.  Just talking heads though.  Still, I'm surprised that 5 Mbps MPEG2 HD is even remotely watchable -- it should be breaking up with even just slight motion.  (scratches head)  Audio was very low.

Update 12:45:  now they're in packages, the same thing that's on the SD channels.  Some of the shot crossfades macroblock badly, and moving video has awful mosquito noise, but it's not collapsing as I would expect.  It basically looks like web video.  OK, everybody move really slowly :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/12/2009 09:51 pm
HD service is now at 12 Mbps.  I can't say when that happened, as my logging systems (both of them, actually) are unavailable and I was out all day.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/13/2009 02:09 am
HD service is now at 12 Mbps.  I can't say when that happened, as my logging systems (both of them, actually) are unavailable and I was out all day.


NASA probably only thought they'd have static launch pad/engineering shots so they left it at 5mbps (and not upped it to 12 mbps in preparation for more active video).

at someone's request, I'm encoding the RSS retraction in HD right (with bonus beanie cap install!) now and will post links when I've quality checked it and can get it uploaded to filefront.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/14/2009 12:14 pm
STS-127 RSS retraction in HD (with bonus Beanie Cap installation the last 2 mins or so of the file since my source recording of the RSS retraction ran long enough to catch the Beanie Cap coming down onto the ET).

It's like watching paint dry (grin) because RSS retraction takes about 30 minutes but I'm sure it would look awesome in a sped-up time lapse clip.

HJSplit used to split the file into 2 parts.

EDIT:  H.264 encoded file, about 35-40 mins and about 1.4 GB total size.  There is a hard cut between pieces since I don't know how to generate a title slate before the beanie cap part.  Clouds in the photo will change at the blink of an eye at the hard cut.

Part 1:
http://files.filefront.com/13897464

Part 2:
http://files.filefront.com/13895804

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/18/2009 02:45 pm
The HD service has remained up despite the STS-127 delay, and this morning we have a long distance static shot of LC 41 and Atlas on the pad for tonight's LRO/LCROSS launch attempt.  So we may have HD coverage for that launch!

No full screenshots from me for now, as my capture equipment has failed.  rsmath, you should try to grab this tonight.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/18/2009 09:41 pm
rsmath, you should try to grab this tonight.


exactly my thought last night.  I saw NASA didn't take down service 105 last night so I figured they were keeping it in the mux for the possibility of covering LRO/LCROSS so I decided to set up an event.

I just saw a AP breaking news alert the launch happened, so if all went well with my automated recording event, I should have something sitting on my HD right now.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/19/2009 03:24 am
does anyone think I should spend the effort to encode the video?  The launch was on the HD channel but it was sourced from SD (and had pillars on each side like a 4:3 material in a 16:9 format).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/19/2009 03:37 am
Nope.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 06/19/2009 04:05 am
The entire launch was SD?

I thought I remembered the initial launch being widescreen on Spacevidcast.  But I'm probably thinking of something else already.

If there's no HD, don't spend the time.  Not worth it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/19/2009 08:08 am
The entire launch was SD?

yep, SD.  I guess HDNet's contract only covers shuttle (and keep fingers crossed for Orion test flights) but apparently not ELV's.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ugordan on 06/19/2009 01:55 pm
The entire launch was SD?

I thought I remembered the initial launch being widescreen on Spacevidcast.

Yes, only a couple of ground cameras (VAB roof and another one) were HD. Since we lost the rocket into the clouds early on, that only left the onboard rocketcam in SD. FWIW, Spacevidcast posted the launch on YouTube. I think the picture is still a little clearer than the ordinary feed, you can see the STK orbital elements more clearly than I could in the 1200 kbps webcast feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/19/2009 02:54 pm
Aaaaand the HD service dropped at around 9:45am ET this morning.  See you in mid-July!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/19/2009 11:23 pm
The entire launch was SD?

I thought I remembered the initial launch being widescreen on Spacevidcast.

Yes, only a couple of ground cameras (VAB roof and another one) were HD. Since we lost the rocket into the clouds early on, that only left the onboard rocketcam in SD.

yep, I"ll have to stand corrected.  I only spot-checked my recording yesterday and everything was in SD during my spot-check points.

I watched the whole recording today and found just 4 cameras in HD while most of the cameras total were in SD. 

I've clipped together Launch HD engineering from just those 4 cameras (ones that usually support the shuttle, btw) and I'll have that posted at some point.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/20/2009 12:44 am
LRO/LCROSS Launch Engineering - HD cams only

about 143mb in size, H264 encoded.

http://files.filefront.com/13915492

If you want high quality SD coverage, I saw a thread in L2 for that.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/22/2009 04:20 pm
HD service came back up at 8:22am ET.  5 Mbps with "NASA HQ1 HD TEST" test bars as before.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 06/22/2009 04:51 pm
HD service came back up at 8:22am ET.  5 Mbps with "NASA HQ1 HD TEST" test bars as before.


June 23, Tuesday
5 - 6:30 a.m. - LRO Spacecraft Enters Lunar Orbit - Live Event - GSFC (Public, Media and HD Channel)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/22/2009 06:38 pm
Aha, thanks John44.  I haven't been keeping up with the schedule as much, trying to get things done during this bonus 3 weeks of downtime!

They've now got a static shot of pad 39A up.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/24/2009 03:32 pm
NASA TO BROADCAST LATEST SPACE STATION TOUR AND EXPERIMENT IN HDTV



WASHINGTON -- NASA Television will broadcast a high-definition tour of the International Space Station recorded by the Expedition 20 crew starting at 10 a.m. EDT on Wednesday, June 24. Also broadcast in HD will be an explanation of a Canadian experiment on the station that examines how humans perceive up and down without gravity as a reference.

The 20-minute tour, which documents the full 167 feet of the space station's pressurized modules, was recorded by NASA Flight Engineer Michael Barratt to show Mission Control how equipment and supplies are arranged and stored, and to provide engineers with a detailed assessment of each module-to-module hatchway.

A five-minute explanation by Canadian Space Agency Flight Engineer Bob Thirsk provides an overview of the Bodies In the Space Environment, or BISE, experiment. The experiment looks at the relative contributions of internal and external cues that allow humans to orient themselves in the absence of gravity. The principal investigator for the BISE experiment is Laurence R. Harris, of York University, North York, Ontario, Canada.

The NASA Television HD feed (Channel 105) will broadcast the items every hour on the hour, beginning at 10 a.m. The videos also will be broadcast in standard-definition format on the NASA Television Public and Media Channels VideoFile beginning at 10 a.m.

NASA TV Downlink Parameters are:
Uplink provider = Americom
Satellite = AMC 6
Transponder = 17C
72 Degrees West
Transmission Format: DVB-S
Downlink Frequency: 4040 MHz
Polarity: Vertical
FEC= 3/4
Data Rate= 36.860 MHz
Symbol Rate = 26.665 Ms/s

For NASA TV HD Programming:
HD Program = 105
Video PID = 82
AC-3 Audio PID = 238
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID =83
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/24/2009 03:45 pm
Service is still up.  Today's they're running a package, per this graphic.  Screenshot is low res, I've got capture problems.

Edit:  yes, what rdale just said.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: tjchambers on 06/24/2009 05:29 pm
Anyone know where you could download an HD version of the Space Station Tour showing today?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 06/25/2009 01:06 pm
It's up at http://www.youtube.com/nasatelevision (click the HQ button)

No HD
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/25/2009 01:08 pm
Looked HD to me - maybe my monitor needs an upgrade ;)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 06/25/2009 01:14 pm
Anyone know where you could download an HD version of the Space Station Tour showing today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1OTSbIzcwI

Click to play it, then click to open in a new tab/window.. then click HD.  It's 480p by the looks of it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ugordan on 06/25/2009 01:18 pm
The HD version really brings out the hot pixels in the camera. A testimony to the radiation environment up there, no doubt.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 06/25/2009 03:48 pm
It's up at http://www.youtube.com/nasatelevision (click the HQ button)

No HD

for HD use other link youtube.com/watch?v=-1OTSbIzcwI

(click the HD button)

Youtube video NASA TV
Bit rate                     : 1061 Kbps
Width                        : 854 pixels
Height                       : 480 pixels
Display Aspect ratio     : 16/9


HD Videos rsmath

Video #0
Bit rate                     : 5000 Kbps
Width                        : 1280 pixels
Height                       : 720 pixels
Display Aspect ratio         : 16/9


normal is hd 720p or 1080i or 1080p

http://tv.about.com/od/hdtv/a/whatisHDTV.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

NASA use possible no 720 upload

For the highest quality, YouTube now recommends these setting for your video:
H.264, MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 format
1280x720 resolution
44.1KHz Stereo MP3 or AAC audio

a 720 upload to youtube

Bit rate                     : 2060 Kbps
Width                        : 1280 pixels
Height                       : 720 pixels
Display Aspect ratio         : 16/9




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/25/2009 07:38 pm
It's up at http://www.youtube.com/nasatelevision (click the HQ button)

No HD

for HD use other link youtube.com/watch?v=-1OTSbIzcwI

That's what I posted initially, but John44 said it is NOT in HD format.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/26/2009 07:55 pm
Yeah, they're nice videos, certainly by Youtube standards, but not HD.

Looks like they'll be covering the GOES-O / Delta 4 launch in HD, as I saw them positioning camera(s) earlier and a slate is up for it right now.

Update:  they've got a few HD cameras, and during the Diller interview segments, the video footage is in HD.  Nice!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/27/2009 02:16 pm
ISS HD Tour that Barratt gave recently.  I lucked out and saw the HD feed posting just in time to grab the last HD feed of the day.

H264, just over 1GB total.  I used HJSplit to spilt the file into 2 chunks.

http://files.filefront.com/13933731

http://files.filefront.com/13929071

Bonus - a 5 minute clip that followed the ISS HD tour on the HD channel.  I didn't realize it wasn't part of the tour when I went to trim the clip ends in my encoding program and I don't have a good H264 cutter to cut that out to leave just the tour.  Sorry about that bonus extra feature. 



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/28/2009 11:02 pm
GOES-O Satellite Launch - my custom edit.  ;)

I have just HD "beauty shots" from when I started rolling hard drive until about 10 mins to launch, then I have uninterrupted coverage to the payload fairing separation/2nd stage ignition.  The final portion is just the HD launch replay cams.

Approaching 1.5mb, H264 encoded, parts split with HJsplit

http://files.filefront.com/13942144

http://files.filefront.com/13941450


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/29/2009 12:15 pm
STS-125 FD9 HD Highlights.

I didn't originally record this because I didn't see in the TV Sked that there would be a FD9 highlights package.  Thanks to ChrisC for recording the raw HD video captured from the NASA C-band satellite feed and getting it to me so that I could encode it and post it with his permission.

H264 encoded, about 809 MB.

http://files.filefront.com/13926632

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/30/2009 08:06 pm
HD service dropped at 3pm ET today.  I hadn't seen anything besides a static shot of pad 39A for days, but I was only looking occasionally.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/01/2009 05:29 am
they did have the rocket launches there.  I guess no tanking test in HD - I'm making the assumption 105 won't be there tomorrow morning so I'm recording 101 SD instead.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/01/2009 11:33 am
Since there are a lot of bad links with FileFront's new interface they deployed and FileFront did not map the old link to the current file for me or even tell me the URLs changed, here are updated links for various things I've recently posted:

STS-125 FD9 HD:

http://www.filefront.com/13926632/sts125-fd9-hd.mp4/

ISS HD Barratt Tour:

http://www.filefront.com/13933731/iss_hd_station_tour-fed_04.001/

http://www.filefront.com/13929071/iss_hd_station_tour-fed_04.002/

LRO/LCROSS HD Launch Engineering Replays:

http://www.filefront.com/13915492/061809-lro-lcross-launch_y.mp4/


GOES O HD Launch:

http://www.filefront.com/13942144/062709-goes_o_launch-hd-e4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/13941450/062709-goes_o_launch-hd-e4.002/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 07/01/2009 12:25 pm
Here's the NASA TV sched for tomorrow (Jul 2).
Perhaps they will broadcast some of this on their HD Channel. Is their a separate listing for HD Channel program events?

July 2, Thursday
6:30 a.m. - Johnson Space Center Lunar Laboratory Video B-Roll Feed - JSC (Public and Media Channels)
7 - 9 a.m. - Apollo 11 40th Anniversary Lunar Laboratory Live Shots - JSC (Public and Media Channels)
12:30 p.m. - Johnson Space Center Lunar Laboratory Video B-Roll Feed - JSC (Public and Media Channels)
1 - 2 p.m. - Apollo 11 40th Anniversary Lunar Laboratory Ustream Tour and Questions - JSC (Public and Media Channels)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/01/2009 12:34 pm
Here's the NASA TV sched for tomorrow (Jul 2).
Perhaps they will broadcast some of this on their HD Channel. Is their a separate listing for HD Channel program events?


I can check for the HD channel return late tomorrow evening and set up timer events if the HD channel is present.  If NASA doesn't make it hot tomorrow night for tv stations to tune in to get ready for the events, then HD probably won't be used.

No HD program guide I know of - I guess unless I see notation that specifically says in the live events page or in a press release that the HD channel is in play for the event.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/10/2009 04:47 pm
HD 105 service came up at 10am yesterday.  Currently it's carrying a slate with the feed parameters and the title "Occasional HD programming".  I expect that the HD service will stay up for the entire mission.  Bitrates are pretty much as before, although I don't recall them favoring HQ4 (private) as much in the past:

HQ1 5.7 Mbps
HQ2 3.0 Mbps
HQ3 6.0 Mbps
HQ4 8.0 Mbps
HQ5 12.0 Mbps

And I just got my capture system all repaired and up and running this afternoon, after being down for weeks :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/11/2009 11:53 am
I found something on the hard drive while getting ready for STS-127, so I encoded it into H264 format.  Filefront has reduced their upload file sizes, so there are more chunks than in the past for this size of file.

I used the freeware HJSplit to split the files and the total file is a little over 2GB in size.

NASA Earth Views in HD that aired on Earth Day 2009.

http://www.filefront.com/13987541/042209-nasa-earth-day-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/13988355/042209-nasa-earth-day-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/14002755/042209-nasa-earth-day-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/14009945/042209-nasa-earth-day-hd.mp4.004/

http://www.filefront.com/14002279/042209-nasa-earth-day-hd.mp4.005/

http://www.filefront.com/14010539/042209-nasa-earth-day-hd.mp4.006/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/13/2009 05:34 pm
Crap.  The HD feed is still up but it's gone to black.  Picture last seen at 13:05.  Launch coverage has begun on NASA TV but there's nothing on the HD feed.

Update:  video came back at around 13:45.  I think there wasn't any audio at first, but it's all back and good now.  Encoder went bad.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/13/2009 05:37 pm
Also, NASA just sent out this press release.  I hope they cover it in HD!

NASA HOLDS BRIEFING TO RELEASE RESTORED APOLLO 11 MOONWALK VIDEO

WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a media briefing at 11 a.m. EDT on Thursday, July 16, at the Newseum in Washington to release greatly improved video imagery from the July 1969 live broadcast of the Apollo 11 moonwalk.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jul/HQ_M09-125_Newseum_Apollo_tapes.html
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/16/2009 11:06 am
Also, NASA just sent out this press release.  I hope they cover it in HD!

NASA HOLDS BRIEFING TO RELEASE RESTORED APOLLO 11 MOONWALK VIDEO



i've set a timer event just in case and I'll make it available if it is in HD.

BTW, STS-127 launch and launch engineering HD highlights are encoded.  I"m just tryign to get filefront to cooperate.  They claim 600mb max filesize and I tried uploading a 598mb chunk with problems (server error after the file finished).  I tried a 425mb chunk now with issues, so I'm going to have to try a smaller filesize and see if that works (400mb worked fine for me a few days ago for the earth day file).  Hopefully 400mb works and I can have the two files posted sometime tomorrow.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/16/2009 03:00 pm
The Apollo 11 event has started on the SD channels, but HD still has just the slate, so I guess no HD for this.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/16/2009 03:27 pm
Flight Day 1

The HD service followed the SD service all day up through launch and post-launch briefing, including HD shots where available but also including SD shots, PAO commentary, etc., just like recent launches.  AFTER the briefing, however, they went to slate and they have stayed on slate since then.

There was NO appearance of any highlights on the HD service at any time overnight.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/16/2009 03:51 pm
Apollo HD is coming later.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/16/2009 04:28 pm
Yes!  Feeding now!

Started at 12:09 with 15 short excerpts, running about 6 minutes.
Then starting at 12:18 they ran the complete scenes, for one hour.

They then briefly showed a slate (screenshot below) that said they'd be repeating it all day.  Slate says it's an hour long, which may be true for the raw footage, but the whole thing is about 1h06m long.

For anyone coming here from another thread, here is my short FAQ on NASA HD: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg399739#msg399739
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/17/2009 12:43 pm
STS-127 Launch in HD

H264 encoded, about 524 MB, split with HJSplit (freeware) and you can use that to rejoin the two parts

http://www.filefront.com/14061009/sts127-launch-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14061143/sts127-launch-hd.mp4.002/

Launch Engineering HD coming later -- as soon as I can get it uploaded to filefront.

No Flight Day 1 HD highlights and it appears HD Flight Day Highlights will begin with Flight Day 3.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/18/2009 04:54 am
In Windows machines, it is trivially easy to rejoin binary files together.  In Windows, open a command prompt and do:

copy /b file1 + file2 + file3 fileresult

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DOS_commands#copy

This will concatenate the files together.  I used to do it all the time with mp3 captures.  The result will be free of glitches.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/18/2009 04:56 am
I won't be able to monitor the HD feed (and report on it) here during the next four days.  I'll be back on Wednesday morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/18/2009 12:45 pm
STS-127 Launch Engineering in HD (H264 encoded 720p)

I only included the HD replays and kept NASA's short title between replays to identify the camera position.

I used HJSplit (freeware) to split the files, it can be rejoined using HJSplit.

http://www.filefront.com/14067881/sts127-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.001/


http://www.filefront.com/14068181/sts127-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.002/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/18/2009 11:26 pm
Surprising, there doesn't appear to be any FD3 HD highlights.

I recorded the 1am CT feed and when there was no feed, I checked the latest TV schedule and saw they moved the time.  I set up a recording for 2 hours starting at that new time and there was nothing either.

With docking and greetings, I can't believe there is no HD material to be fed.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/19/2009 11:35 pm
There also don't appear to be any FD4 HD highlights, either.  Maybe STS-127 wasn't trained on shooting/downlinking HD material.  I"ll keep recording the HD times listed in the tv schedule just in case, but I think the next HD we are going to get will probably be the landing if it happens at KSC.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 07/20/2009 11:58 am
Surprising, there doesn't appear to be any FD3 HD highlights.

I recorded the 1am CT feed and when there was no feed, I checked the latest TV schedule and saw they moved the time.  I set up a recording for 2 hours starting at that new time and there was nothing either.

With docking and greetings, I can't believe there is no HD material to be fed.




 STS-127 - FD 3 HD Downlink (only SD)
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5183
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/22/2009 03:14 am
still no HD video on the HD channel for the FD highlights (and I keep checking for revised tv skeds in case of time changes). 

NASA gets off the hook by saying "if available" but I wonder what the deal is because this mission is very unusual with regards to HD.  I wonder if they are having tech problems turning the HD downlinks around to the HD channel or editing the HD FD highlights packages.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 07/22/2009 12:02 pm
...or on-board, they're just not generating much HD video....
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/22/2009 04:46 pm
I'm back, and have HD history / capture back to Sunday July 19th 12:20pm.  In general they have stayed in slate the entire time since then, with the following exceptions:

Sun 19-Jul 15:57 - 16:07 :  static LC39A pad shot with 1 kHz tone
Sun 19-Jul 20:08 - 21:38 :  Apollo 11 anniversary at Smithsonian (1st event)
Mon 20-Jul 20:17 - 21:50 :  Apollo 11 anniversary at Smithsonian (2nd event)
Tue 21-Jul nothing all day
Wed 22-Jul nothing so far

In addition to the ideas above as to why they haven't had any HD highlights, my guess is that they have limited resources (either labor or HD edit suites) and have been too busy with the Apollo 11 activity.  We'll see!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 07/24/2009 02:15 am
This afternoon ISS downlinked aprox 20 min of HD video recorded during EVA 3.

Wonder if it will show up on tomorrows HD Highlights segment.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/24/2009 03:56 pm
Review of HD service since Wed noon:

Wed 22-Jul nothing all day
Thu 23-Jul nothing all day
Fri 24-Jul nothing so far

Bah!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/26/2009 06:08 pm
Review of HD service since Fri noon:

Fri 24-Jul nothing all day
Sat 25-Jul nothing all day
Sun 26-Jul nothing so far
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/27/2009 08:11 pm
FYI, I've now heard that the ISS HD video MPC (Multi-Purpose Converter) is down.  There's probably evidence of this in reports on L2, but I'm too busy to go hunting.  If someone finds something let me know!  I'd expect that with the STS-127 mission, CDRA trouble, ECLS hiccups, etc., getting HD video down is the least of their concerns.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/28/2009 05:05 am
FYI, I've now heard that the ISS HD video MPC (Multi-Purpose Converter) is down.  There's probably evidence of this in reports on L2, but I'm too busy to go hunting. 

i'll go hunting in a little while to see what I can find.

If the MPC being down is the case, I hope NASA takes the tapes when STS-127 returns to earth and has a special HD feed of some of that material.  No PAO is fine, but I"d like to see HD material of docking, spacewalks, life in space, undocking HD material.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 07/28/2009 11:32 am
FYI, I've now heard that the ISS HD video MPC (Multi-Purpose Converter) is down.  There's probably evidence of this in reports on L2, but I'm too busy to go hunting.  If someone finds something let me know!  I'd expect that with the STS-127 mission, CDRA trouble, ECLS hiccups, etc., getting HD video down is the least of their concerns.

Is that the reasons that it no HD events (media interviews) more come from the ISS.

Does a space shuttle not have its own HD downlink equipment by ISS missions? 

Update 16:31 GMT AUGUSTINE HUMAN SPACE FLIGHT REVIEW COMMITTEE HEARING on NASA TV HD channel
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/28/2009 12:22 pm
No HD is on shuttle, the hardware is on the ISS.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/29/2009 02:49 pm
Review of HD service since Sun noon:

Sun 26-Jul nothing all day
Mon 27-Jul nothing all day
Tue 28-Jul nothing all day
Wed 29-Jul nothing so far

John44, I don't know where you saw that Augustine feed, but it wasn't on the C-band satellite HD feed, at least according to my equipment.

No HD is on shuttle, the hardware is on the ISS.

You sure about that?  STS-125 had HD, although that may have been a special effort.  And prior missions have had HD crew choice downlinks, away from station.  Including the departure flyarounds, which are obviously away from station!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 07/29/2009 04:33 pm
Review of HD service since Sun noon:

Sun 26-Jul nothing all day
Mon 27-Jul nothing all day
Tue 28-Jul nothing all day
Wed 29-Jul nothing so far

John44, I don't know where you saw that Augustine feed, but it wasn't on the C-band satellite HD feed, at least according to my equipment.


My source : http://www.ustream.tv/channel/NASA-TV-HD
or they have been switched over to the NASA media channel

Through the many black is the difficult to see or one SD or HD signal is in my recording from yesterday (stream 1280x720)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/29/2009 04:41 pm
No HD is on shuttle, the hardware is on the ISS.

You sure about that?  STS-125 had HD, although that may have been a special effort.

Ahh yes... I think things changed at some point in the last year.

What is the source of the HD for that UStream feed?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 07/29/2009 05:14 pm
No HD is on shuttle, the hardware is on the ISS.

You sure about that?  STS-125 had HD, although that may have been a special effort.

Ahh yes... I think things changed at some point in the last year.

What is the source of the HD for that UStream feed?

 http://www.ustream.tv/bencredible (spacevidcast.com)

http://www.bencredible.com/category/hdtv/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voy1RBm2xYA


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/29/2009 08:49 pm
Ah, OK.  Those SpaceVidCast guys are apparently switching the other NASA SD feeds into their HD webcast if there's nothing on NASA's HD feed.  The Augustine event you logged was actually on the HQ3/103/Media channel at the time -- in fact, that's what they are doing right now.  Still nothing on HD.

Unrelated ... The satellite multiplex was choking my recording system from 11:06am to 12:09pm today.  Not sure where that problem was, but I haven't see that happen in a long time.  Apparently online feeds were OK because there's no complaining in the STS-127 live thread, so perhaps it was just the satellite system.  Or just me!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2009 08:45 am
NASA is such a tease!  ;)

The schedule I saw today said FD15 HD Highlights (no "if available" wording) at 8pm CT and I rolled hard drive and it was just the tech info slate all that time.

Nothing HD scheduled tomorrow so it looks like last HD opportunity is the landing if it happens at KSC.

I stlll hope, post-mission, NASA puts together a HD reel of highlights that they weren't able to broadcast during the mission because we all know there was some HD material downlinked at times during the mission.

I also wish I had a NASA TV contact to find out what's going on.  I don't want to bug any of the PAO folks because I"m sure their hands are busy enough taking care of the credentialed media during this time.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/31/2009 02:36 pm
Wed 29-Jul nothing* all day
Thu 30-Jul nothing* all day
Fri 31-Jul nothing until ...

At 9:23am they came up with landing coverage, starting with the VAB roof shot of the SLF, then eventually switching around to the other cameras.  There was no audio until 10:20, when it came in with the same PAO / comms audio that had been on the SD channels.

* My recording system is having playback problems and I wasn't able to scrutinize those recordings as closely as usual; it's possible that they snuck in a short HD feed on Wed or Thu but I seriously doubt it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/31/2009 07:01 pm
HD / 105 service dropped at 14:25 ET.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/01/2009 11:00 am
STS-127 landing in HD, H264 format.

About 400mb in size.

http://www.filefront.com/14170943/sts127-landing-hd.mp4

There were no HD flight day highlights this mission.  I plan on encoding/posting HD Landing Engineering Replay in the coming days and I think I have the astronaut under-shuttle-belly post-landing inspection in HD in a different recorded file that I can encode and post as well.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/02/2009 01:46 pm
Landing Engineering HD Highlights (except for the last camera view in SD that I kept because I still find it cool to see a shuttle land coming from behind the camera to away from the camera as it rolls down the runway).


H264 format, just over 500mb in size.  I used HJSplit to break up the file into chunks appropriate for uploading to filefront.  The same free software can be used to rejoin the two pieces.

http://www.filefront.com/14178087/sts127-hd-landing%20engineering%20replay.mp4.001

http://www.filefront.com/14178265/sts127-hd-landing%20engineering%20replay.mp4.002

I'll check tomorrow to see if I have crew under-belly inspection HD footage in the other raw file on my hard drive.  If I have it, I'll encode it and it probably will be small enough to be just one file.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/03/2009 03:43 pm
You do not need special software to join the pieces together!

This is trivially easy to do -- just join the binary files together.  In Windows, open a command prompt and do:

copy /b file1 + file2 + file3 fileresult

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DOS_commands#copy

This will concatenate the files together.  I used to do it all the time with mp3 captures, and I've tested it with these mp4 pieces.  The result will be free of glitches.  You don't need special software -- just concatenate the files!

Mac and Linux offer similar behavior via the "cat" command, but the syntax is a little different.  Do a little searching and you'll figure it out.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 08/03/2009 04:18 pm
The downlink by the in-flight event with Flight Engineer Tim Kopra was today in HD

The HD downlink equipment works normal

recording of the normal NASA TV stream (SD)

http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5258
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/05/2009 10:26 am
One final STS-127 HD video - crew gets out of astro van, walks underneath shuttle belly, Polansky says a quick comment, then all back into the astrovan and the van drives away from the SLF.

H264 format, about 400MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/14190753/sts127-post%20landing%20walkaround.mp4






Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/06/2009 05:56 pm
The downlink by the in-flight event with Flight Engineer Tim Kopra was today in HD

Sorry for the delay, I've been catching up on real work since the STS-127 mission ended.

I did happen to catch this feed in my recording system because I turned off that system a couple hours after that event.  There was NO HD service up at the time of that downlink (03-Aug 08:53-09:09 ET).  So perhaps they did get an HD downlink from the ISS to ground, but they didn't feed it out on the public HD service.

Well, if it did feed down HD from ISS, at least that MPC must be working again!  I've asked about this over in the ISS Exp 20 thread, perhaps one of them is aware of MPC status.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/07/2009 11:16 am

Well, if it did feed down HD from ISS, at least that MPC must be working again! 

I'm thinking it is a problem from the HD intake room at MSS-H to getting it routed to the HD uplink.  There were a few times HD came down on STS-127, but none of it was live or turned around on the HD 105 feed. 

I hope whatever the issue is, it's fixed and ready to go later this month for STS-128.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/22/2009 08:09 am
NASA HD 105 is back.  Launch pad shot (RSS in position up against shuttle).

I don't know if the RSS retraction in a day or two will look any good considering it happens at like 5am ET.  Might not be enough light to see much but we'll see...

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/24/2009 03:35 pm
Yeah, I just checked my logs and it came back up at 11:30am on Friday morning.

I'll start up my recording system and will provide highlights from here on out.  I'm likely to be unavailable all day Tuesday and Wednesday so you probably won't see much from me here until Thursday morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/24/2009 08:57 pm
Tanking coverage showed up on HD service, with multiple HD cameras and PAO audio.  Screenshots later if I have time.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/25/2009 04:52 am
The "torrential" rainstorm that just hit the pad provided for some very cool HD views on camera 77.  I'll try to post a screenshot here tomorrow.

Update:  here's a shot but it doesn't do much justice.  The rain was really driving in.  Can you imagine the view from the cockpit?!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/29/2009 10:32 pm

STS-128 Launch in HD (H.264)

I used HJSplit (free) to split the files, you can use that to combine them or use the DOS Copy command, or other ways to rejoin the files.  About 800mb total size.

http://www.filefront.com/14422855/sts128-launch-hd.mp4.001

http://www.filefront.com/14423253/sts128-launch-hd.mp4.002


Next HD opportunity looks to be Flight Day 3 HD Highlights if NASA is going back to feeding daily HD highlights while docked.


Any interest in the initial RSS retraction in HD?  Considering it was 5 AM when it happened a few mornings ago, you only get ambient light to see the shuttle stack and you can follow the lights on the RSS structure move as the structure retracts.






 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/30/2009 04:56 am
Wellll ... I came in here to start composing a post logging any activity on the HD service since launch, but I discovered that my recording system stopped recording at 3pm on Thursday.  Yay.  Guess I have a bug to go hunt down there.  Of course I'm kicking myself for not having checked the system prior to launch, but I was incredibly busy at work and just had to assume it was fine.

Anyway, it's recording now and I'll be able to capture / review / log everything from here.  Right now they have the usual "Occasional HD Programming" slate up.  At least I got this fixed before the first scheduled HD highlights feed on Monday morning.

Edit:  catching up on the live thread, I see the following from today's MSB:
Tony:  DTV problems: on the ground station side at White Sands, lost link to JSC, blown fuse in switching unit at White Sands
and later
Marcia:  DTV, sounds like everything got fixed, are you behind timeline?
Tony:  All data was recorded.  Don't think they will be behind.

I don't know if this will have any effect on HD, just noting it. I also don't know if the ISS MPC problem that prevented HD downlinks during STS-127 has been fixed yet.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 08/30/2009 12:18 pm
Crew downlinked approx 9 min of HD - FD2 Crew Choice, before sleep, early this morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/30/2009 01:10 pm
Crew downlinked approx 9 min of HD - FD2 Crew Choice, before sleep, early this morning.

I happened to be watching at that time and it wasn't turned around on the HD channel live (or even up to 20 mins afterwards when I had to go tune something else on my PC).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/30/2009 10:11 pm
Nothing seen on the HD service between 0100 and 1800 ET today, other than the usual slate.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 08/31/2009 01:10 pm
HIGH DEFINITION FLIGHT DAY 3 CREW HIGHLIGHTS replays at 10:00am CT and 11:00am CT)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/31/2009 07:59 pm
August 30th-31st / FD 3 highlights

First fed 09:00-09:18 .  NO AUDIO at first but it does come in at about 4 minutes in right after they first show the station during approach.  Glitch at 17 minutes after which there's no more audio.

It looks like it fed for the first time at 9am ET, then repeated at 10:00am, 10:30am, 11:00am, 11:20am, 12:00pm and 12:40pm.  It's the same shuttle crew choice video that we've seen in SD, but obviously in HD and with better audio.  That docking approach footage was mesmerizing in SD, it's more so in HD.  Listen to it with headphones -- you can really hear (feel?!) the low rumble of the RCS jets.

This is the first time we've seen HD video from a station mission since March / STS-119.  But since this was shot on the shuttle, it's possible that it came down through shuttle assets and thus not an indicator of whether the ISS HD capability is fixed yet.  Anyway, good to see since we had no HD from STS-127.

Below, dshaffer reports:
Quote
Shortly after Shuttle Crew Choice HD downlink, ISS sent down HD of Shuttle approach to dock via ISS MPC.

... however I don't see that on the public feed so they must not have ever fed it out.  I'm catching up now though, so maybe I'll come across it yet.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 08/31/2009 09:35 pm
Shortly after Shuttle Crew Choice HD downlink, ISS sent down HD of Shuttle approach to dock via ISS MPC.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/01/2009 03:48 am
the footage was quite good -- and I'm giddy and I can't figure out if it's HD highlights that have returned or how cool the "boom/shake" of the powerful thrusters were during the footage of Discovery closing in on the ISS.

My first encode of the highlights had a glitch - glitch from NASA source so there may have been a transport error at that moment in time.  Since NASA fed it several times during the hour, I'm encoding the second time that didn't have that glitch at that moment in the refeed so I should have that reencoding done and uploaded hopefully in a few hours if all goes right.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/01/2009 12:03 pm
If you're giddy over FD3 HD Crew Choice, wait to you seed FD4 HD Crew Choice - approx 28 min and superb!

Also hope they show FD1 & FD2 HD Crew Choice at some point - they were also great.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/01/2009 01:43 pm
Here is STS-128 FD 3 HD highlights - about 10 minutes in length and in H264 format, maybe about 650mb in size or so.

Once again a split up file to comply with Filefront's smaller file upload size requirements, so you can use a DOS copy command, HJSPLIT, or other software to combine the chunks back into one main MP4 file.

http://www.filefront.com/14442007/sts128-fd3-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14442801/sts128-fd3-hd.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/01/2009 06:03 pm
Aug 31st - Sep 1st / FD 4 highlights

First fed 09:00-09:16 .  Video is glitchy for the first minute or so.  NO AUDIO again for first 9 minutes or so, until you see Jose doing his PAO event (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong).

dshaffer reported 28 minutes of video, but I see only 16.

Repeats at 9:20am, ~10:45am, ~11:15am and ~12:00pm.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 09/01/2009 07:32 pm
Aug 31st - Sep 1st / FD 4 highlights

First fed 09:00-09:16 .  Video is glitchy for the first minute or so.  NO AUDIO again for first 9 minutes or so, until you see Jose doing his PAO event (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong).

dshaffer reported 28 minutes of video, but I see only 16.


live recording of the NASA TV SD stream 15 minutes with audio

http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5325
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/01/2009 07:54 pm
Seems like NASA edited out approx 12 min of the downlinked FD4 HD Crew choice - please disregard. Sorry, my bad - the full HD downlink was 16 min!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/02/2009 11:52 am
STS-128 FD 4 HD highlights - H264 format, about 550mb in size.


Once again, two parts that will need to be merged into one file using HJSPLIT, a DOS Copy command, or other software that may join multiple parts back together.


http://www.filefront.com/14448477/sts128-fd4-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14448581/sts128-fd4-hd.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/02/2009 11:59 am
FYI - great FD5 Crew Choice downlined before crew sleep - great EVA stuff - prep, EVA & post - approx 19 min.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/02/2009 12:02 pm
FYI - great FD5 Crew Choice downlined before crew sleep - great EVA stuff - prep, EVA & post - approx 19 min.

quit hyping the FD crew choice video.  ;)  I found FD4 not as interesting as FD3. 

i'll get around to FD5 later as I have to get to bed.

nite folks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/02/2009 08:41 pm
Sep 1st - Sep 2nd / FD 5 highlights

First fed 09:00-09:20 .  Video is glitchy for the first minute.  No audio for nearly the entire feed, only a little bit near the beginning and then at the end after the EV's came back inside.

Repeated at 9:28am, 10:02am, ~11:00am and ~11:30am.  All times Eastern.

Killer shots out the window!  Somebody go wake up rsmath :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/03/2009 02:07 pm

STS-128 FD5 HD Highlights

about 700 mb in size, H264 format, in two parts that need to be recombined into one part using HJSPLIT, a DOS command, or other suitable software.

http://www.filefront.com/14455373/sts128-fd5-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14456271/sts128-fd5-hd.mp4.002/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/03/2009 05:30 pm
Sep 2nd - Sep 3rd / FD 6 highlights

First fed 09:01~09:15 .

Repeated at ~9:20am, ~9:45am and ~10:10am.  All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: floron on 09/03/2009 06:05 pm
Those FD5 highlights are awesome...the whole suiting up, spacewalk (great views out the window!), and return. Absolutely stunning! Thanks for posting them up!  ;D
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/04/2009 11:02 pm

STS-128 FD6 HD Highlights

H264 format, about 500mb in size.  Files need to be combined into one using the free HJSPLIT, a DOS command, or other software.

http://www.filefront.com/14462909/sts128-fd6-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14463159/sts128-fd6-hd.mp4.002/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/05/2009 12:32 am
Great job(as usual), thanks so much for doing this - am really enjoying them!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/05/2009 02:36 pm
STS-128 FD7 HD Highlights

H264 format.  Files need to be combined into one using the free HJSPLIT, a DOS command, or other software.

http://www.filefront.com/14470227/sts128-fd7-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14470441/sts128-fd7-hd.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/05/2009 11:47 pm

It appears there is no FD8 HD highlight package.  My recordings for all 3 HD opportunities all had slate and no video.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/07/2009 05:31 am
No FD9 HD highlights, either.  The slate says no scheduled HD flight day highlights feed until day 11 with a Tuesday morning feed.  I suppose the only person at NASA who knows how to get HD downlinks from the shuttle/iss fed over the channel probably has the long labor day holiday off.  ;(

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/08/2009 04:02 am
I'm back ... My recording system goes back as far as Sunday 2am and there have indeed been no HD feeds since then.  Hopefully something will come through tonight but I wouldn't bet on it.  I think NASA PAO apparently constrained, literally, by not having the right people on duty over holidays to create the HD packages.  I remember this happening during another mission in the recent past -- and I probably logged it here in this thread but I'm not going back to find it :)  Budget constraints I guess, or perhaps labor contracts.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 09/08/2009 11:05 am
L2 says there is a problem with the digital TV downlink which will be troubleshot today if that's related...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/08/2009 12:06 pm
I believe Shuttle traded their MPC with the problematic one on ISS - so as of FD 11, I beleive Crew Choice only came down as HD, but 4:3 (not widescreen).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/08/2009 12:14 pm
Well, here's some late-breaking, positive news - Seems like the FD 11 MMT reports a full hard-drive on the ground contributed to the Multi-Protocol Converter (MPC) issue that affected a recent (FD 11 Crew Choice)  High Definition video downlink. A subsequent downlink opportunity was used to verify that the shuttle MPC is performing nominally.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/08/2009 03:42 pm
Sep 6th - Sep 7th / FD 10 highlights

Sep 7th - Sep 8th / FD 11 highlights

We got a whole lot of material on the public HD service this morning, starting at around 8:10am ET.  I'm flagging this as both FD10 and FD11 based on the reports here and the fact that some of this video looks like FD10 to me.

First fed starting at 08:09, not sure when the FD10 package stops and when FD11 starts, but I think the glitch at 40 minutes marks the end of FD10.  Obviously it contains some footage from before FD10 (e.g. "03 Sep" seen on laptop camera view datestamps).  No audio for nearly the entire feed.

Last repeat completed at 12:17pm.  I can't really make sense of what happened when.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/08/2009 09:27 pm
Ooookay, I think I'm going to give up now.  I just found this in the middle of this morning's feeds.

Let's just say they fed a lot of stuff this morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/09/2009 12:57 am
how far did the FD11 HD highlight package go?

I recorded all 3 HD opportunities per the tv sked and all 3 ran over the end of hour.  I"m encoding the one that I have that is the longest - goes from the beginning of FD11 HD HL up until the hatch on the ISS side is pulled down and the hatch closure handle starts turning.

Is that about it for the HD highlight package or did they include views of the shuttle backing away and flying around?



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 09/09/2009 01:17 am
FD11 wasn't the flyaround and undocking.  I know they haven't had the time to downlink today's highlights, as they are doing the late inspections.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/09/2009 01:44 am
FD11 wasn't the flyaround and undocking.  I know they haven't had the time to downlink today's highlights, as they are doing the late inspections.

ok, I haven't had time to even watch the FD11 SD highlights so it was an assumption that they had dock closing and flyaround and separation.

So I pretty much have the complete FD11 HD highlight package recorded?

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/09/2009 03:19 pm
rsmath, I think you probably do have everything.  I'm just not sure because I got lost in the footage yesterday and gave up.

Nothing has fed on the HD service yet today, so no undocking or flyaround footage yet.  But we did see crew choice video (shuttle flight deck during undock) in the SD package this morning, so it must be on the ground.  It should be good when we do finally get it!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/09/2009 03:59 pm
rsmath, I think you probably do have everything.  I'm just not sure because I got lost in the footage yesterday and gave up.


i'm definitely missing some footage from FD11 - the only question is how much.  I don't know if it's like 1-2 minutes or more like maybe 5 minutes.  At least I got most of it - whatever was fed up to the buttoning up of the PMA hatch on the ISS side.

I saw FD8 and FD9 in that mess of a feed yesterday.  I'm sure FD10 probably is in there somewhere, too.  it may be awhile before I can post things since I have to encode to H264 what I have.  FD11 was fairly raw, too, and not trimmed down somewhat so it's a huge file.  By itself it will take a while to upload since it comes in around 1.5gb.   I do like FD11 anyway because it's a nicer longer-form look at the astronauts at work in saying their goodbyes and working through inspecting and closing the hatches and doing leak checks later in a timeframe beyond the video I have.

What I have of FD11 is already encoded, I just have to work on FD8, FD9 and possibly FD10 encodings.  At least FD8 and FD9 are shorter so they should be much quicker to encode, uplink, and post links to filefront.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/09/2009 05:03 pm
Mike and Nicole spent a good 20 minutes on PMA closeout.  After they slide the hatch down and crank it closed on the ISS side, Frank floats in, the video ends with the meatball logo, and that's it.  I just scanned through the 4 hours of the Sept 8th feed with some more granularity and that is indeed the end of the FD11 feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/10/2009 12:55 pm
Here are the STS-128 FD8 HD highlights that was fed over NASA a few days after FD8.

H264 format, I think it's only about 200mb in size - not much material for FD8 in HD.

http://www.filefront.com/14503649/sts128-fd8-hd.mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/10/2009 03:25 pm
At 8:30am this morning the HD feed switched to black, then at 10:15am it went back to the usual "Occasional HD Programming" slate.

At ~10:55 they put up a "FD8" slate and then started running footage we've seen already.  Right now they're showing FD11 farewell footage.  Maybe as this wears on we'll get something new.

Update 1:50pm:  they continued to feed HD for 3 hours; didn't see anything new; just completed the 2nd or 3rd replay.  Now they've put up the slate I screenshotted below.  Never seen this one before, so I'll allow myself to dream that this is the sign of a new permanent NASA HD service :)

Update 1:59pm:  they put up a FD3 slate and now are playing FD3 material, same as originally described here (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg469179#msg469179).  My head is spinning.

Update 2:18pm:  they put up a FD4 slate and now are playing FD4 material, same as originally described here (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg470055#msg470055).  I see a trend!

Update 2:37pm:  they put up a FD5 slate and now are playing FD5 material, same as originally described here (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg471077#msg471077).

Update 3:00pm:  they put up a FD6 slate and now are playing FD6 material, same as originally described here (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.msg471453#msg471453).

I'm going to stop monitoring now and get some work done.

Update 4:23pm:  they're up to FD11 now

Update 5:03pm:  and they're now back to FD3!  No undock or flyaround for us today.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/10/2009 10:31 pm
Update 4:23pm:  they're up to FD11 now

I take it you didn't notice the sneaky, sneaky nasa folks!  They trimeed down FD11 HD highlights from what they fed the other day.  I suppose they didn't find the ISS/shuttle hatch closings interesting so they cut it off at the goodbye final handshakes.

my FD11 version has what I caught the other day so you will see the hatch work.  I just have to find a moment to upload it because it's so big.  I'm uploading FD9 right now, so 11 won't be far behind unless a landing happens on try 2 in a little bit and gets processing priority.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/10/2009 11:20 pm
Did you come across any FD10 HD Highlights?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/11/2009 07:09 am
Did you come across any FD10 HD Highlights?

nope, the reel went from FD8 to FD9 to FD11 and then repeated on the next 2 hourly feeds.

I"m guessing FD10 not a priority or not much HD material because it was a crew rest day for the most part.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/11/2009 07:12 am

Here are the STS-128 FD 9 HD highlights, fed on the NASA HD channel a few days after the actual FD9 occurred.

We're back to file split mode - use the free HJSPLIT, the DOS copy command, or other software that supports rejoining files to take these two pieces and make it into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/14504111/sts128-fd9-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14506509/sts128-fd9-hd.mp4.002/

FD10 was never fed (even a few days after the fact) and FD11 is coming as soon as I can finish uploading it.  Apparently no FD HD highlights for FD12 or FD13.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/11/2009 12:15 pm
Thinking back now, I believe that FD 10 and 12 were downlinked in SD because of Shuttle/Ground MPC config problem.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/11/2009 04:32 pm
My recording system choked again yesterday afternoon and I didn't notice until now.  So I don't know what they've been feeding today, but it looks the same as yesterday.  They are just starting FD11 now ... no, wait, they've aborted it.  They put up the new "HD Highlights" slate for a bit and now they're running FD3.

I'm positive that they DID include the PMA closeout footage in yesterday's FD11 run, at least the one they ran around 4:30pm, because I remember waiting through the Barratt/Stott footage from 4:40 to 5:00 to see if the next thing was going to be FD12.  My update yesterday at 5:02 was right after that.  Perhaps they trimmed it off the later replays.  (update 4pm:  they're running it now)

Still hoping for FD12 ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/11/2009 05:58 pm
...and still hoping for FD1 & FD2!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/11/2009 10:56 pm
...and still hoping for FD1 & FD2!

I don't think we've ever seen FD1 or FD2 HD crew highlights.

FYI, we haven't ever seen HD out of Edwards, so it'll be a first if we do this time.

If you doubt me, everything we've ever seen on the HD service is logged in in this thread, so go back and see for yourself :)

They've been running the FD3-FD11 highlights loop all day, nothing new that I can see.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/11/2009 11:19 pm
I know that FD1 & FD2 it was downlinked in HD - just don't know why it wasn't turned around into the HD Highlights packages - that's the mystery!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/11/2009 11:45 pm
They've dropped the HD / 105 service out of the multiplex!  OK, I guess that's that then.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/12/2009 03:13 am
They've dropped the HD / 105 service out of the multiplex!  OK, I guess that's that then.


yep.  I went to check my EDW recording and found my program asking me to select which program to record (since 105 was gone).  I selected 101 and got the landing.  since it's not in HD, I'm not going to post my H264 bitrate 1000 quality encode of it.

It's my belief that unless NASA is going to guarantee landings at EDW, we'll never get HD from there because it's too short of notice when EDW is going to be used and probably not worth the expense to book a satellite and production truck to EDW "just in case".

btw, chris, was the ares static test fire on the HD channel or ch 102 only?  I recorded it from 102 and I've had questions about whether it was available in HD or not.  I suppose I should have just recorded the whole mux instead of a single program and then I could have had the best of one or both worlds.  I'll to remember to do that next time an event may or may not be sent out on SD and HD simultaneously.

EDIT:  we've had HD FD1 highlights every mission, too, so  to speak -- the launch!   I suppose I should consider recording pre-launch activity and make an official FD1 HD highlights package available assuming that suit up and snippet of eating breakfast is in HD and not just SD like the climb-in activity.








Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/12/2009 03:40 am
found my program asking me to select which program to record (since 105 was gone).

I have a couple pieces of gear manually forced to service 105 and they were both in black when I tuned up at around 7:45pm.  For the record, they finished rolling highlights at 7:00pm, put the "HD Highlights" slate up, and then dropped the service at 7:39pm.  Thanks Goddard, see you in November :)

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btw, chris, was the ares static test fire on the HD channel or ch 102 only?  I recorded it from 102 and I've had questions about whether it was available in HD or not.

It was only on 102.  On HD/105 they were running the highlights sequence all day yesterday and today.

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we've had HD FD1 highlights every mission, too, so  to speak -- the launch!   I suppose I should consider recording pre-launch activity and make an official FD1 HD highlights package available assuming that suit up and snippet of eating breakfast is in HD and not just SD like the climb-in activity.

You know, I was careful to say "FD1 or FD2 HD crew highlights" :)

Pre-launch coverage has tons of HD shots.  From memory, I dare say most of it is in HD, even various tower cams.   The white room was one of the first cameras to go HD, over a year ago.  I don't remember if suit-up in the O&C is HD or not.

Final thought:  STS-128 and STS-125 were both blessed with awesome HD coverage.  Thank you NASA!

(Now:  keep the service up, play all this accumulated material on 24-7, and let's start seeing this on cable systems!)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/13/2009 11:42 am
STS-128 FD 11 HD highlights, h264 format, abuot 1.5 GB in size.  This is the extended version (basically, more video of the hatch closing procedures after the goodbye comments with the two crews) rather than the cut-down version that NASA had been replaying that ends with the hugs between the crews.

Use HJSPLIT, dos copy command, or other software to join these 4 parts into one file.


http://www.filefront.com/14521893/sts128-fd11-most-of-highlight-package-hd.mp4.001/


http://www.filefront.com/14522197/sts128-fd11-most-of-highlight-package-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/14522437/sts128-fd11-most-of-highlight-package-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/14522805/sts128-fd11-most-of-highlight-package-hd.mp4.004/

there are no FD12 or 13 HD highlights and no HD landing since the landing took place in California.  One more file left to post after I can get it uploaded to filefront is the STS-128 Launch Engineering replay.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 09/13/2009 12:48 pm
Thanks again for a superb job!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/19/2009 12:14 pm
Sorry for the delay on this - it's been a busy week!

STS-128 Launch HD engineering (well, the only SD I can remember is the ET cam footage).  VAB roof cam is cool because of the flarestack at night, IMHO, or Camera 70 because I can't get enough of those sparklers around the main engines in HD just before the SME's light up.

H264 format, a little over 800mb total file size.  Use HJSPLIT, the DOS Copy command, or other software that is able to join these parts back into one main file.

http://www.filefront.com/14560289/sts128-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14560723/sts128-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/14561009/sts128-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.003/


That concludes all the HD material I have for STS-128.  I have a feeling there'll be more HD to be had before the next shuttle mission.









Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/26/2009 05:33 pm
HQ5 / 105 / HD service came up at 10:58am this morning!  It's showing a static shot of LC-39B.  Looks like we will have HD coverage of the Ares 1-X launch.  Firing up my recording system now ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/28/2009 01:49 pm
Just a quick update ... the HD service has had full PAO coverage, with all the packages and camera changes, just like the SD service.  Otherwise it has stayed on a static shot of the pad, which has made for some nice sunset shots and HD views of the floodlights coming on at 2am Sunday night.  Pretty much the same as we've seen in recent shuttle flights.   Screenshot below is of a CGI sim of SRB recovery shown in a package they ran during countdown.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/28/2009 02:54 pm
Here's an exciting moment!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/28/2009 05:11 pm
For the record, there was a NASA TV outage starting right after stage sep and lasting about 20 seconds.  On the two SD feeds, the bug (logo in upper right corner) persisted, which implies a camera or master control problem.  On the HD feed, the bug disappeared, which implies a master control or distribution problem.

Therefore, I think NASA TV's master control crashed at this point, and I'm glad it waited until sep to do so!

Also, when the press conference started, the HD service stayed with the replay package they'd been running, and then joined the presser in progress about 5 minutes in.  I suddenly had to scurry around to switch over to the SD feed ...

These two incidents tell me that NASA TV is running a separate master control for HD.  That's not much of a surprise given our past experience, but it means that they're still in kind of a temporary mode with all this.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/28/2009 07:24 pm
And just 2 minutes after the presser ended, at 14:34, they dropped the HD service from the multiplex.  Bam!

I will update the FAQ here shortly to make it more useful.

Hey rsmath, when you do your encodes, can you make note of the timecodes when the stage separation event appears in the various replays, especially on cameras that actually show it well?  I'm sure there's going to be a lot of interest in that.

See you all in a couple weeks for STS-129 ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 10/29/2009 08:34 am
Hey rsmath, when you do your encodes, can you make note of the timecodes when the stage separation event appears in the various

what are you requesting?  how long after T-0 that the separation occurred as seen in whatever launch replay cameras are good?

I've encoded the launch and am uploading it to the filesharing site now.  In the main event encode, you can see from launch through separation (and then the black screen moment just after separation so we don't know if recontact occurred or not after separation). 

I'm going to do launch replays in the next day or so after I get the main launch encoded file uploaded.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 10/29/2009 08:36 am
did they feed the recovery of the lower stage on the HD channel (or have live video of recovery?)  My recording didn't last long enough to capture anything beyond the launch replays.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: MKremer on 10/29/2009 08:47 am
did they feed the recovery of the lower stage on the HD channel (or have live video of recovery?)  My recording didn't last long enough to capture anything beyond the launch replays.



There has never been any live video from either one of the recovery ships (they're well over 100 miles out in the Atlantic). Even limited taped video has only been done once or twice in the history of the Shuttle program (and rarely seen).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 10/29/2009 11:02 am
There has never been any live video from either one of the recovery ships (they're well over 100 miles out in the Atlantic). Even limited taped video has only been done once or twice in the history of the Shuttle program (and rarely seen).


Where was the screencap a few posts back from this made?  Is it an artists conception of a ship approaching the lower stage after splashdown or did NASA SD or HD feed footage today taken from a ship in the recovery area?

BTW, NASA should do splashdown footage to celebrate the final shuttle flights.  It's not too difficult with technology today to at least send SD video from a recovery ship to a satellite and downlink at KSC or JSC for eventual insertion into the NASA TV feed.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 10/29/2009 12:54 pm
Where was the screencap a few posts back from this made?  Is it an artists conception of a ship approaching the lower stage after splashdown

It's pretty obviously a drawing - but made more obvious when you realize it shows the ship while it's still approaching. So unless somebody with a camera happened to be floating in the middle of the ocean and had the SRB drop down next to him, it couldn't be an actual picture ;)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/29/2009 01:59 pm
That's correct, the recovery shot I posted earlier was CGI from a package they ran during the countdown.

For timecode, I meant to identify the timecode in your files where the separation event occurs, for the original launch (e.g. "15m30s in") and then for the replays of cameras where it's clearly visible (e.g. "35m10s", "38m25s").  I can do it after you upload, I just figured you could note the times while you're putting it all together.

NASA TV outage during the launch happened a few seconds AFTER the point of interest so that's not really a problem.  Anyway the replays should show everything.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 10/31/2009 02:10 am
Ares I-X Launch in HD - H264 format, about 1.4 GB and about 40 minutes, .  Due to the historic nature of the launch, I went ahead and went from about 30 mins to launch through the speech part that aired before launch replays.

There are 4 parts.  You can use the free program HJSPLIT or use the dos copy command to put the parts back together into one file.

Launch replays are coming up in the next day or two.

http://www.filefront.com/14818535/102809-ares-1-x-test-launch.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14819105/102809-ares-1-x-test-launch.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/14819429/102809-ares-1-x-test-launch.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/14825151/102809-ares-1-x-test-launch.mp4.004/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 10/31/2009 02:12 am
For timecode, I meant to identify the timecode in your files where the separation event occurs, for the original launch (e.g. "15m30s in") and then for the replays of cameras where it's clearly visible (e.g. "35m10s", "38m25s"). 

I didn't do that because I didn't take the time to find the T-0 point in each replay and see where sep occurred to get the time of separation.  There was at least one camera I saw that caught separation and it didn't black out in the replay, so it's clear to see that there was no recontact with the Ares I-X payload and lower stage.   

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/01/2009 09:43 am
Ares I-X Launch Replays in HD - H264 format, about 1.5gb or so total in size.  4 parts - use the free program HJSPLIT or the DOS copy command to rejoin the parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/14832319/102809-ares-i-x-launch-replays-in-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14832689/102809-ares-i-x-launch-replays-in-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/14835561/102809-ares-i-x-launch-replays-in-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/14835687/102809-ares-i-x-launch-replays-in-hd.mp4.004/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/02/2009 04:09 pm
You're misunderstanding me.  I'll get the timecodes myself and post them here, but it might not be until tomorrow.  My filefront download failed on Friday (I saw the links that John44 posted), and my reattempt today won't complete until late tonight.  Filefront downloads are throttling to ~15 kB/s :(

Update:  now I'm getting 70 kB/s, and 3 of the 4 parts are done :)  I should have this done later today!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 11/02/2009 04:42 pm
You're misunderstanding me.  I'll get the timecodes myself and post them here, but it might not be until tomorrow.  My filefront download failed on Friday (I saw the links that John44 posted), and my reattempt today won't complete until late tonight.  Filefront downloads are throttling to ~15 kB/s :(


I had the same problem with part 3 - ~ 50 KB/s , other parts with 700 -1000 KB/s

other problem: downlink part 1 works no longer today.

I upload part 1 again

http://www.filefront.com/14844191/102809-ares-i-x-launch-replays-in-hd.mp4.001/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/02/2009 07:41 pm
I'm still struggling with the downloads.  They sped up for me shortly after I posted, and I've gotten speeds up to 400 kB/s, but that first replay chunk continues to be a problem.  The first time today (using rsmath's upload again) I got 40 MB before it decided it was done, and since then (using John44's upload) I've received 68MB, 140 MB, 10 MB and 226 MB in four different retries.  Maybe there's a timeout somewhere, truncating the file after N minutes.  Well, I got the other 3 parts no problem, so as soon as I get part 1 downloaded I'll go through the whole sequence and identify the stage separation times.  Hopefully within the hour!

Update:  I've been trying all day, ten times at least, and it fails every time.  I give up.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/04/2009 03:39 pm
Ares I-X Launch Replays in HD - H264 format, about 1.5gb or so total in size.

Got the last (part 1) file, thanks John44 for the help.  I also tried the filefront method again today and it worked just fine, so I'm not sure what the problem was on Monday but everything is the same on my side.

Here are the time index values to see the stage separation event from several camera views:

04:20 Patrick DOAMS
11:45 North Beach Tracker
14:55 Vehicle Cam 1 (SD, glitchy)
14:55 Vehicle Cam 2 (SD, glitchy)
25:37 KSC DOAMS
30:05 UCS 23

33:26 total length

This isn't all the camera views shown, not even half of them, just the ones that show the separation event.

I'll crosspost to an Ares thread somewhere later today, unless someone beats me to it.  UPDATE:  never did, someone please go ahead if you feel like it.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Danny Dot on 11/11/2009 06:17 pm
I watched NASA TV for about 3 hours yesterday.  I think it has made some changes for the better.  There was a long interview with an astronaut that is going to fly soon that was great.  "Home video" of them in a training session where they are learning about the space suits.  There was also an excellent video of the future of manned space flight stating Johnson Space Center is going to be the home of manned space flight.   Last and not least a statement internal boundaries at NASA are coming down.

I see General Bolden's and Lori Garver's hand in all this.  Any comments?

Danny Deger
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: AlexInOklahoma on 11/12/2009 12:46 pm
I still ask my 'cable provider' when I can get NASA TV, and keep getting told "No current plans".  Sucks  :(

I do seem to sense a more 'openness' to NASA overall compared to the past, though I can only comment on the public aspect.  But if there are statements on NASA TV about "internal boundaries coming down", then that is good (great even).  Usually, just admitting that there is/was an issue is Step One, so to speak...and take it from there.  Hopefully, all the 'change' can be good for everyone and not just a select few making things better for the benefit of themselves.  I bet that won't be the result, though.

Alex
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: grakenverb on 11/13/2009 01:28 pm
I still ask my 'cable provider' when I can get NASA TV, and keep getting told "No current plans".  Sucks  :(

I do seem to sense a more 'openness' to NASA overall compared to the past, though I can only comment on the public aspect.  But if there are statements on NASA TV about "internal boundaries coming down", then that is good (great even).  Usually, just admitting that there is/was an issue is Step One, so to speak...and take it from there.  Hopefully, all the 'change' can be good for everyone and not just a select few making things better for the benefit of themselves.  I bet that won't be the result, though.

Alex

You can watch NASA TV live on the NASA website at:

 http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/13/2009 03:31 pm
I haven't checked in a week, so this is coincidence, but the HD / 105 service came up within the hour, at 10:45am ET.  Static shot of LC-39A, with tone.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: LBA on 11/14/2009 05:51 am
They still need to provide the guide information for their programing and make it all more DVR friendly.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: saturnsky on 11/14/2009 01:00 pm
NASA Tv does a great job in presenting info.....Much better than the talking heads on CNN,,,etc..
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Launchpad911 on 11/14/2009 01:12 pm
They still need to provide the guide information for their programing and make it all more DVR friendly.

Absolutely. You never can tell what is going to be showing. The onscreen guide may show ISS Coverage but they have old clips playing. While I am not a big fan of NASA Edge, it would be nice to have it it's own block scheduled so you know when it is going to be on.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Danny Dot on 11/14/2009 01:14 pm
They still need to provide the guide information for their programing and make it all more DVR friendly.

Absolutely. You never can tell what is going to be showing. The onscreen guide may show ISS Coverage but they have old clips playing. While I am not a big fan of NASA Edge, it would be nice to have it it's own block scheduled so you know when it is going to be on.

Is anyone at NASA listening?  We need a better schedule!!!

Danny Deger
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: TexasRED on 11/14/2009 03:08 pm

Is anyone at NASA listening?  We need a better schedule!!!

Danny Deger

Agreed.  They at least provide this one, so you would think they could get it to show up in the cable guide too.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/schedule.html
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Schedule.html
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Paul Adams on 11/14/2009 03:22 pm
I still ask my 'cable provider' when I can get NASA TV, and keep getting told "No current plans".  Sucks  :(

I do seem to sense a more 'openness' to NASA overall compared to the past, though I can only comment on the public aspect.  But if there are statements on NASA TV about "internal boundaries coming down", then that is good (great even).  Usually, just admitting that there is/was an issue is Step One, so to speak...and take it from there.  Hopefully, all the 'change' can be good for everyone and not just a select few making things better for the benefit of themselves.  I bet that won't be the result, though.

Alex

Hi Alex,

I am not aware of the technical reasons, but I was told by my (ex) cable company that they do not carry NASA TV becuase they can only get so much information - ie so many channels - through the cable. NASA TV is just not popular enought to get on the line-up. The pressure is even worse now with HD taking up much more bandwidth.


I swithched from cable to satelite because of it and have never regreted the decission, much better picture quality all round.

Paul
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: AlexInOklahoma on 11/14/2009 04:46 pm
Hi Alex,

NASA TV is just not popular enought to get on the line-up. The pressure is even worse now with HD taking up much more bandwidth.

Paul

Too bad the Cable Co can't/won't give up the dozens of 'shopping channels' and other extraneous wastes-of-time bits.  One of these days, I might have to get a (much) longer video cable to run the computer through the big-screen TV to solve the issue.  Just network the whole darn house, LOL   :) 

Alex
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/14/2009 05:25 pm
Shopping channels pay the cable companies... They don't get money for running NASA.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: AlexInOklahoma on 11/14/2009 05:45 pm
Shopping channels pay the cable companies... They don't get money for running NASA.

True...but sure there's enough bandwidth somewhere in the 'pipe' for 'educational' pursuits (probably?).  There are two formerly-analog 'local' stations that are not carried here anymore due to Cable Co and the Station not seeing eye to eye on cost(s) of making programming available *here* locally.  I cannot figure out the 'why' other than one of the two companies is being cheap as can be.  Makes no difference to *me*, but wife misses one of her 'soaps', LOL.  The Cable Co made bandwidth available by choosing to not carry that signal(s), but yet will not provide NASA TV...  Oh well.  Such is 'entertainment industry'.

I cannot go to 'satellite' right now because when I moved here 7-8 months ago, I did not transfer service and would now have to buy all the equipment/receivers as I am no longer a 'new' customer.  You'd think after ~6 years with a service that you'd get some consideration, but nope...taking ~2 months before re-establishing (or asking to) meant that I am screwed.  I promptly returned all the original equipment as they asked when I moved.  They don't want my money, I ain't giving them any - simple as that.  But I still want NASA TV - outta be a law on it, LOL.  Like PBS or something...

Alex
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: HyperTay on 11/14/2009 10:47 pm
They took away NTV for my area a couple of years ago. Now we can only get it on the internet. A few months ago I realized we were not even watching regular tv at all and canceled that part of our cable service. Saving 80 bucks a month is awesome. I would get the service back if they only brought NTV back, just for that channel alone so we could see it on a bigger screen. But they don't want our money apparently either.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/14/2009 10:56 pm
It'd be cheaper in the long run just to buy a video card that can output to your TV.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: fredm6463 on 11/14/2009 10:59 pm
I still ask my 'cable provider' when I can get NASA TV, and keep getting told "No current plans".  Sucks  :(

I do seem to sense a more 'openness' to NASA overall compared to the past, though I can only comment on the public aspect.  But if there are statements on NASA TV about "internal boundaries coming down", then that is good (great even).  Usually, just admitting that there is/was an issue is Step One, so to speak...and take it from there.  Hopefully, all the 'change' can be good for everyone and not just a select few making things better for the benefit of themselves.  I bet that won't be the result, though.

Alex

Same with me.

The FCC should mandate cable providers carry the NASA channel as a public service. After all, if it weren't for NASA the satellites these companies use to uplink their signals for distribution around the country wouldn't exist today. With over 1000 channels of junk, you'd think carrying one more channel (pretty much for free) wouldn't be hardship to the cable/satellite companies.

My cable provider use to have the HDNet channel which covered all NASA launches in HD, but last May my cable company wouldn't come to a new agreement with HDNet (which I paid an additional $15.00 a month for receiving HDNet and HDNet Movies).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/14/2009 11:10 pm
It's not hardship - I'm sure it's because the Catholic Network gets more viewers than NASA TV. Plain old economics.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 11/16/2009 06:21 pm
Wow -- great timing: the NASA TV feed through Comcast here in Atlanta died just before coming out of the hold at T-9 minutes.

(Satellite still fine.)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/16/2009 06:31 pm
Reminder - HDTV coverage at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spacevidcast

They had over 10000 viewers at launch! Charge them a buck a launch and you could get rich in a hurry ;)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/16/2009 07:23 pm
psloss, you're talking about the SD feed, right?  Or is Comcast carrying the HD feed?

I saw no glitches to the satellite feed at any time.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 11/16/2009 07:25 pm
psloss, you're talking about the SD feed, right?  Or is Comcast carrying the HD feed?
Standard def.  Picture froze several times, then Comcast dropped the feed for a few minutes.  It came back before liftoff, but no way was I going to switch recorders back after that crap.  Pretty much the reason I got a separate satellite feed.

Given that the Dish Network feed here was solid the whole time and no complaints elsewhere, I'm guessing it was just Comcastic!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/16/2009 08:17 pm
After the post-launch news conference, they went to a static shot of 39A (now with just a lonely MLP on it) and tone.  So far pretty much just like recent missions.  I expect we'll get a slate at some point and then start getting FD highlight packages during the overnights.  This time however I won't be able to track what's been fed and when, as I'll be out of town (in Florida!) and away from my usual assets.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/17/2009 04:16 am
STS-129 launch in HD - H.264 format, about 580mb in size.  I was able to upload it as once piece so no rejoining necessary on this file:

http://www.filefront.com/14939369/sts129-launch-hd.mp4

BONUS: as I was testing my signal routing last night to get ready for this mission, I captured a few seconds of the shuttle on the pad with the RSS retracted and nicely floodlit and I thought it'd be nice to share this short clip.  H.264 HD format, under 100mb in size:

http://www.filefront.com/14939395/sts129-launchpad-night-floodlit.mp4

Launch engineering HD is coming - hopefully tomorrow.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/17/2009 04:03 pm
Absolutely stunning launch in HD -- thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/17/2009 09:19 pm
Thank you rsmath!  I'll be counting on you for your HD highlights during this mission because I'll be out of town and not watching on my own systems.

They've got a new slate up -- "NASA Television Channel 105".
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/17/2009 09:26 pm
Out of curiousity - how does the "raw" NASA HDTV signal on launch look versus HDNET's feed?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/17/2009 10:26 pm
Out of curiousity - how does the "raw" NASA HDTV signal on launch look versus HDNET's feed?

Good question.  I have access (when I'm around and not sleeping or at work) to HDNET's feed from the cape to their master control for launches/landings so I could probably record a future launch instead of using NASA HD's launch.

I know HDNET is 1080i, the question is if the HD cameras are HDNET's and NASA downconverts to 720p or if the cameras are NASA's and the signal is upconverted for HDNET.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/17/2009 10:31 pm
Thanks, I'm just curious if it's good enough just to upgrade to a sat service that has HDNET, or keep cable and put in a big-dish. If it's not a terribly different image, I'll go cheap and easy ;)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 11/17/2009 10:40 pm
HDNet doesn't give quite the same coverage though.  They generally only cover the last half hour or so of the count, and most of it is commentated by Greg Dobbs - only the last three minutes or so are NASA audio.  They also have cut off the ET cam before MECO before and shown static shots of the pad while recapping the launch - while it is still occurring!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/17/2009 10:44 pm
That's not a big deal, I don't care about HD coverage of a still shot for hours ahead of time :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 11/18/2009 01:33 am
Before sleep today, crew downlinked approx 5 min of HD Crew Choice from FD1 & 2.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/18/2009 02:28 am
...and Spacevidcast is carrying HD feed 105 now, looks like through the mission, so should be able to see the downlinks live if all works out!

http://www.spacevidcast.com/nasahd/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/18/2009 02:35 am
Prior to launch coverage, NASA's HD service is just sitting on the pad shot, true, but once the PAO coverage starts (5 hours prior this time) it's all in HD.  All the camera shots, all the packages, etc.  That's far better than the 30 minutes you get from HDNet.

The cameras may have very well been supplied by HDNet early on, but I'd bet my wallet that they are all set to 720p,and HDNet converts for their 1080i distribution.  NASA wants progressive frames, period, so there's no time imbiguity (i.e. interlace issues) in what is essentially a documentation system for them.

What's a better question is what bitrates are they using to distribute, and how new are their video encoders?  NASA is compressing at a low 12 Mbps (MPEG2) and using fairly old encoders, I believe.  And I think the picture shows it -- it's frankly terribly grainy and I see a lot of mosquito noise on those pads shots.

I've been saying for far too long (since page 2 of this thread!) that they could easily cut the SD services back from the excessive 8-9 Mbps to 6-7 Mbps with no loss of quality, and give that to the HD service which sorely needs it. And leave it up like that 24-7.  Ferchrissakes, leave it up so that the cable companies can start using it.  If it's occasional they'll never take it into their systems.


But I still can't stop watching it :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/18/2009 10:37 am
Thanks, I'm just curious if it's good enough just to upgrade to a sat service that has HDNET

If all you wanted was HDNET's launch and landing coverage, you can get the feeds from the cape to HDNET's master control with a 3-4' dish and a FTA receiver that supports HD transmissions.  If you want the movies and sports and other programming HDNET offers, then you need DIRECTV, DISH, or cable.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 11/18/2009 04:28 pm
What satellite and frequency does HDNet do their backhauls on?  MPEG2 or MPEG4?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/19/2009 12:25 am
This was the answer in 2005:

ANIK - F2 - Ku 10
11985 V
SR 14031

33/36/33 AC3
HDNET

Lately it is Horizons 2, with 14029 for the SR.

Source: Google
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 11/19/2009 01:52 am
First HD Highlights (FD 3) will be shown at 11:00 pm est (04:00 GMT) - 2 hrs from now. Approx 15 minutes in length.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/19/2009 03:38 am
I didn't see them on the SVC HD feed... Slate dropped at 11pm but it's been black since then.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/19/2009 12:24 pm

STS-129 Launch Engineering HD - H264 format, about 1.2 MB in size.

I use HJSPLIT to split the files.  The same program, or other methods, can be used to rejoin them.

http://www.filefront.com/14947207/sts129-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14951897/sts129-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/14952017/sts129-launch-engineering-hd.mp4.003/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/19/2009 12:29 pm

STS-129 Flight Day 3 Highlights HD - H264 format, about 690 MB in size.

I use HJSPLIT to split the files.  The same program, or other methods, can be used to rejoin them.

http://www.filefront.com/14952771/sts129-fd3-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/14953035/sts129-fd3-hd.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/20/2009 07:46 am

STS-129 Flight Day 4 HD highlights - only about 5 minutes worth so a short file of about 165 MB.  H264 format.

http://www.filefront.com/14958351/sts129-fd4-hd.mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/21/2009 12:17 pm
STS-129 Flight Day 5 HD Highlights - H264 and 255mb - pretty short because of no PAO in the package

First 2m30sec has timecode on one of the stereo audio channels.  The easy fix is to select the audio channel that doesn't have the timecode on it (I think it might be the R channel).

http://www.filefront.com/14964827/sts129-fd5-hd.mp4

If I find the HD feed later in the day, I may try a recapture/reencode if the timecode is missing from a later airing on NASA HD.





 


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/22/2009 02:45 am
I might have missed the FD6 HD opportunity.  I didn't record in time the FD6 as listed in the TV sked.  I will monitor the channel until I go to bed and I"ll set up a recording for the normal morning-after time and see if they refeed it then or if they don't plan to since they didn't list a refeed in the tv schedule.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/23/2009 02:28 am
This might possibly be STS-129 FD 6 HD footage.  I missed the HD feed as scheduled and I set up a recording looking for a refeed.  There was no title screen and just this footage during the time I captured looking for a refeed.

If this is not FD6 HD footage, there might not have been a feed or there may be a refeed later in the mission if FD6 HD exists.

H264 format, about 150mb.

http://www.filefront.com/14978061/sts129-possibly%20fd6-hd.mp4




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 11/23/2009 02:59 am
Can anyone viewing these HD highlights estimate the fraction of video that shows views of the earth?  My guess is about 1%.  To me the only reason for taking an HD camera up there is to show earth views.  For all I know we could be looking at pictures of a nuclear submarine crew.   
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 11/23/2009 03:10 am



FD6 HD crew choice downlink was approx 12 min in length - as shown on live NASA TV before crew sleep.

This might possibly be STS-129 FD 6 HD footage.  I missed the HD feed as scheduled and I set up a recording looking for a refeed.  There was no title screen and just this footage during the time I captured looking for a refeed.

If this is not FD6 HD footage, there might not have been a feed or there may be a refeed later in the mission if FD6 HD exists.

H264 format, about 150mb.

http://www.filefront.com/14978061/sts129-possibly%20fd6-hd.mp4





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 11/23/2009 03:10 am
Can anyone viewing these HD highlights estimate the fraction of video that shows views of the earth?

Very little.

Quote
To me the only reason for taking an HD camera up there is to show earth views.

No way. We have hi-res views of the Earth from a boatload of satellite-based cameras 24/7. Wouldn't you want to see the shuttle / ISS ops in hi-def as opposed to a hi-def cloud for 5 minutes? Have you downloaded any of these links?

Quote
For all I know we could be looking at pictures of a nuclear submarine crew.   

Huh? HDTV won't see nuclear sub crews. No TV will.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/23/2009 11:11 am
Can anyone viewing these HD highlights estimate the fraction of video that shows views of the earth?  My guess is about 1%.  To me the only reason for taking an HD camera up there is to show earth views. 

If you want earth views, download the Earth Day HD items.  Earth in HD as recorded by astronauts for NASA's annual HD transmission.

I like these Shuttle/ISS HD clips for the high resolution looks at the hardware and station segments and astronauts.  I've seen enough earth views on TV to fulfill me - I just need to get into space to see that in person.   

Back to TV, I can't get enough hardware/tech stuff!





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/23/2009 11:14 am
STS-129 FD7 HD highlights.   A fun package today!  One of the first or very rare HD footage of inside a Soyuz, a tour of the ISS from end to end, and footage of celebrating the birth of a child!

about 420MB, H264 format.

http://www.filefront.com/14979801/sts129-fd7-hd.mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/23/2009 11:19 am

FD6 HD crew choice downlink was approx 12 min in length - as shown on live NASA TV before crew sleep.

ok, I'll keep my eyes open and see if I can find a refeed later this mission when the HD channel goes to airing earlier HD packages in random order instead of a slate.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 11/23/2009 04:17 pm
The file you posted is indeed a portion of the FD 6 HD downlink - 4 of the 12 mins.

Thanks again for your work in giving many of us access to HD stuff we'd never get to see otherwise.



FD6 HD crew choice downlink was approx 12 min in length - as shown on live NASA TV before crew sleep.

ok, I'll keep my eyes open and see if I can find a refeed later this mission when the HD channel goes to airing earlier HD packages in random order instead of a slate.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/24/2009 11:45 am
STS-129 FD8 HD Highlights

H.264 format, about 290MB in size

http://www.filefront.com/14986741/sts129-fd8-hd.mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/25/2009 03:03 pm

STS-129 FD 9 HD highlights.

H264 format, about 572MB in size

http://www.filefront.com/14994837/sts129-fd9-hd.mp4/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/26/2009 09:23 am

STS-129 FD 10 HD Highlights - undocking and Thanksgiving message.

H264 format, about 314 mb in size.

http://www.filefront.com/15000607/sts129-fd10-hd.mp4

Happy Thanksgiving!





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/29/2009 03:51 am
There were no FD 11 HD highlights.  Hopefuly before the shuttle retires, we get to see the RCS hotfire and other end of mission checkout activities in HD.

STS-129 Landing in HD.  H264 format.

http://www.filefront.com/15013261/sts129-landing-hd.mp4/

STS-129 Landing Engineering in HD - H264 format.  Only a partial package but still quite a bit of the camera views including the heads-up display view.  NASA TV apparently started very late after landing in airing these and my timer recording wasn't long enough to get it all.  I'll lengthen my recording for the future missions to account for the landing replays not concluding within an hour after landing.

http://www.filefront.com/15017567/sts129-landing-replays-hd-partial.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/15018009/sts129-landing-replays-hd-partial.mp4.002/

My second landing try timer recording happened to capture the astronauts doing their traidional walkaround/inspection of the shuttle so I decided to encode it and make it available.  H264 HD format:

http://www.filefront.com/15014709/sts129-postlanding-astronaut-walkaround.mp4/

This concludes STS-129 HD material coverage unless a mysterious Flight Day 6 package refeed happens or someone has a raw feed for me to process and upload.

HD feed is gone as I type this, btw.  I'm surprised they didn't run flight day HD highlights for a day before taking it down.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 12/02/2009 03:18 pm
Back in town.  For the record, my logging only goes back to midday Sunday the 29th, and by then the HD service had dropped.  Oh, I see above that rsmath reported it down by the night of the 28th.

See you in February!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: FinalFrontier on 12/02/2009 03:23 pm
Can anyone viewing these HD highlights estimate the fraction of video that shows views of the earth?  My guess is about 1%.  To me the only reason for taking an HD camera up there is to show earth views.  For all I know we could be looking at pictures of a nuclear submarine crew.   
Things don't usually free float all over the place on Sub (at least...on a good day they don't).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/03/2009 07:09 pm
Someone who works for NASA has informed me of an upcoming satellite change.

AMC-6 is having solar array issues so NASA Television (and the HD service in that digital signal) are moving to AMC-3 C-band - 87 degrees West longitude, transponder 15H on or around the weekend of January 16, 2010.

As far as I know, the AMC-7 NASA TV service is staying as-is.

The move not only means moving from AMC-6 at 72 deg W to AMC-3 at 87 deg W, but also changing polarity from AMC-6's V polarity to AMC-3's H polarity.

If you have any questions (dish-related), you can PM me and I'll see if I can answer them.  I don't work for NASA so I can't speak as how NASA decided where to go but the move was necessitated by AMC-6's issues that could worsen and lead to a sudden satellite failure.










Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/17/2009 12:33 am
There used to be a thread dedicated to NASA HDTV but that seems to have disappeared, so I'll start a new one for this.

First - if you go to http://nasa.gov/ntv you will now see a "schedule" button on the left side which lists all the channels at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NASAtelevision#p/a/u/1/LEcvTuSih2A

And for those who use thir own dish --

NASA Television Moving to AMC 3 Satellite Jan. 16, 2010

http://www.youtube.com/user/NASAtelevision#p/a/u/0/NSG21JmpeqQ

NASA Television is moving to satellite AMC 3.
The transition will take place January 16, 2010.
Cable and satellite providers will access NASA TV on AMC 3 Transponder 15C.
NASA TV’s Live Interactive Media Outlet (LIMO Channel) will be available at AMC 3 Transponder 9C.

Effective Jan.16, 2010:

NASA TV (Public, Education and Media Channels) Digital Satellite C-Band Downlink for continental North America, Alaska and Hawaii:

Uplink provider = Americom
Satellite = AMC 3
Transponder = 15 C
87 Degrees West
Transmission Format = DVB-S, 4:2:0
Downlink Frequency: 4000 Mhz
Downlink Polarity: Horizontal
FEC = 3/4
Data Rate = 38.860 MHz
Symbol Rate = 28.1115

"Public Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 101 (HQ1)
Video PID = 111
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 114
AC-3 PID = 115

"Education Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 102 (HQ2)
Video PID = 121
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 124
AC-3 Audio PID = 125

"Media Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 103 (HQ3)
Video PID = 1031
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 1034
AC-3 Audio PID = 1035

NASA TV Occasional HD Programming:
HD Program = 105
Video PID = 82
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID =83
AC-3 Audio PID = 238

Effective Jan.16, 2010:

NASA TV (Live Interactive Media Outlet – LIMO Channel) Digital Satellite C-Band Downlink for continental North America, Alaska and Hawaii:

Uplink provider = Americom
Satellite = AMC 3
Transponder = 9 C
Orbital Position = 87 Degrees West
Transmission Format = DVB-S, 4:2:0
Downlink Frequency: 3865.5 Mhz
Downlink Polarity: Horizontal
FEC = 3/4
Data Rate = 6.0 Mbps
Symbol rate = 4.3404 Msps
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/17/2009 07:16 pm
There used to be a thread dedicated to NASA HDTV but that seems to have disappeared, so I'll start a new one for this.

First - if you go to http://nasa.gov/ntv you will now see a "schedule" button on the left side which lists all the channels at the same time.


Someone for whatever reason moved the NASA thread into the "Live NASA TV/Camera Audio/Video Links" thread.

Second, the revised "schedule" is missing the HD channel so you have to continue to find out HD events in other ways.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 12/28/2009 04:36 pm
NASA Television is moving to AMC-3 C-band - 87 degrees West longitude, transponder 15H on or around the weekend of January 16, 2010.

FYI, this is going to be a hot switch.  There will be no period of overlap so you can't schedule your rework effort :(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/29/2009 10:55 am
FYI, this is going to be a hot switch.  There will be no period of overlap so you can't schedule your rework effort :(

schedule my rework effort??? not sure what you mean by that.

I'm all set - both my c-band dishes are fully steerable across the north american arc so all I have to do is change the frequency/symbol rate of my batch recording files so that my computer sat tuner will tune the correct frequency/symbol rate when the event launches.

Increasing the symbol rate of the signal is a good thing, IMHO.  I think it means 24/7 NASA HD is on the horizon since they are getting extra bandwidth in the signal with the symbol rate change.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 01/08/2010 11:42 pm
Actually, this change sounds like it will be more noticeable throughout the year, as noted in the advisory file:
ftp://ftp.hq.nasa.gov/pub/pao/tv-advisory/nasa-tv.txt

"News networks, their reporters, and other broadcast media organizations must tune their satellite receivers to the Media Channel to ensure reception of clean feeds for all mission coverage, news conferences, and other agency distributed news and information. News and other media organizations will no longer be able to rely on content from the Public Channel for clean feeds of mission and other agency activities."

(My emphasis.)

I've noticed that the Video File on the Public Channel is now targeting short attention spans.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/09/2010 01:23 am
I'm almost excited when it talks about "clean feeds for all mission coverage" -- could that mean no PAO :) !?!?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/09/2010 03:52 am
No, it's always been the same other than the one PAO-less test.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Avariel on 01/09/2010 01:00 pm
So those of us who are nerds need to retune to the media channel during missions?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/09/2010 01:28 pm
Unsure at this time, all we have to go on is the statement which psloss noticed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: elmarko on 01/10/2010 11:05 am
I imagine they'll keep the NASA bug in the corner for self-promotion even on a clean feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 01/13/2010 10:45 pm
I've noticed that the Video File on the Public Channel is now targeting short attention spans.
Yes, it's now more like the "This week at NASA" than video file items. Really miss the old video files.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 01/14/2010 12:35 am
I've noticed that the Video File on the Public Channel is now targeting short attention spans.
Yes, it's now more like the "This week at NASA" than video file items. Really miss the old video files.
The version on the Media Channel is still in the old style.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 01/16/2010 03:07 pm
Sweet: 0 for 2.  Both Dish Network and the local Comcast region here were unprepared for the satellite switchover.  My guess is that they were unaware...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/16/2010 03:29 pm
DirectTV didn't make the switch either.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 01/16/2010 03:37 pm
Well, I made the call to both of my providers.  Dish Network customer service said that their engineering department was already aware of the signal loss.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 01/16/2010 05:00 pm
And, unfortunately, this is all you get for the NASA TV 1200kbps feed....
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 01/16/2010 06:34 pm
Well, I made the call to both of my providers.  Dish Network customer service said that their engineering department was already aware of the signal loss.
Sometime while I was gone, Dish Network got their equipment re-pointed.  Regionally, here in Atlanta it might be a while.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 01/16/2010 06:48 pm
Well, I made the call to both of my providers.  Dish Network customer service said that their engineering department was already aware of the signal loss.
Sometime while I was gone, Dish Network got their equipment re-pointed.  Regionally, here in Atlanta it might be a while.


And the Yahoo 1200kbps feed is now working again.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 01/18/2010 12:40 am
The move is complete!

NASA TV is now on AMC-3 (and the media interview and engineering channels, too, for you NASA junkies!).

Signal strength is much better on my 7.5 foot secondary c-band dish on AMC-3 than AMC-6 and the increased symbol rate means there is about 2 Mbps more bandwidth available to make the HD look better when present or help the HD channel become full-time when NASA is ready to keep it in the signal full time.

AMC-7 will definitely be going away in this transition instead of remaining for those in alaska/hawaii.   If you are in some parts of alaska or in ak/hi with no good low look angles, I feel for you.... you can watch SD on DISH or DIRECTV and I"ll post HD files when I know about events and am able to roll hard drive to capture it.


If you are having reception problems, I may be able to figure things out for you or give other advice so PM me if you want to talk things through.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Andrewwski on 01/20/2010 03:24 am
DirecTV seems to be back up.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/20/2010 03:28 am
DirecTV seems to be back up.

It came back Saturday evening.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 01/20/2010 12:11 pm

Gotta love NASA public relations!  They press released an media interview event and it had the wrong coordinates (using AMC-6) on it.

For fun, I just checked it again and it has been corrected for the AMC-3 coordinates.  I suppose someone had to tell them their media video channel moved satellites last weekend.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/03/2010 04:04 pm
As rdale said in the first post of this thread, an NSF admin/moderator took the entire NASA HDTV thread (topic=11551 (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11551.new#new)), some 500+ posts, and merged them into the "Live NASA TV links" thread (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11070.0).  It was a mistake (they've said as much) but it's done, can't be undone, and we're moving on with life.  Personally I'm glad the posts at least still exist so I can dig them up, because I really was using that thread as a history / log of NASA HD TV evolution.

That merge happened in December, shortly after the last shuttle mission and the last appearance of HD in the NASA satellite feed.  I was going to create a new thread in time for the next mission, but have decided to just tag onto this one since it's as good as any.

So, over the next day or two I'll comb through the old thread and put together some basic info about NASA HD TV, in particular so I can fix the links in my sig below :)

I expect the HD service will come up by Friday.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/04/2010 03:37 pm
Recent history of NASA TV's HD feed

July 2005:  Starting with the STS-114 RTF mission, HDNet makes their own separate deal with NASA, with their own cameras and commentators.

Oct 2007:  During the run-up to the STS-120 launch, NASA TV quietly launches HD service in their AMC-6 satellite multiplex as test, but we spot it pretty quickly; CNN does too and takes it to air for their launch coverage, much to the chagrin of NASA TV
(no link, those posts seem to have disappeared)

22-Apr-2008: HD views of Earth for Earth Day
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg270176#msg270176
(and the first time NASA even acknowledges that their HD feed exists)

22-May-2008:  HD tour of ISS, Phoenix descent from JPL, STS-124 coverage
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg279642#msg279642

The HD service has been up for every launch since then.

16-Nov-2008:  first HD from shuttle, live and playback, first HD highlights package
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg333572#msg333572

16-July 2009: several HD feeds related to Apollo 11 anniversary, including restored video
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg438626#msg438626

Summer 2009:  ISS hardware problems (or perhaps MCC problems) prevent HD downlinks for a couple months including one docked shuttle mission.  Fixed in time for early September's STS-128.

28-Oct-2009:  Ares I-X test covered in HD
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg494610#msg494610

19-Jul-2010:  NASA announces that HD service will stay up 24-7!  Call your cable/sat provider!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/04/2010 03:38 pm
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NASA TV HIGH DEFINITION FEED

How can I see this live HD feed?

There is currently no way to see it via cable or satellite home providers.

There are two ways to see it via the internet:

1.  Via UStream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-tv-hd , or

2.  Via SpaceVidCast (http://www.spacevidcast.com/); the direct link to their NASA HD feed is http://www.spacevidcast.com/livehd/ .

We suspect that these are actually the same feed -- that is, the #1 feed above is actually provided by the SpaceVidCast folks.

SpaceVidCast has been carrying the live HD feed during shuttle missions, however it is a Ustream web feed and at far lower resolution and framerate than full HD.  You can see the whole 16x9 frame though (although sometimes if they are having trouble receiving NASA HD feed they will take the SD feed, and sometimes even crop it to make it 16x9!)  They also will inset/overlay their own commentary in a corner.  Time lag is excellent, at most a couple seconds delayed.  If the above link doesn't work, you can also try http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spacevidcast .

OK, but that's not real HD.  How can I see the actual NASA HD feed live?

In short:  you probably can't.  It's a media feed, and you need a Really Big Antenna to get it -- aka a Big Ugly Dish (among other things).  DirecTV/Dish doesn't cut it.   More specifically, you need a C-band satellite antenna (typically 10 feet across) and an HD-capable MPEG2 satellite receiver.  If you DO have all that, then just swing over to AMC-3 at 87 deg West and tune to the parameters here (http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/satellite_info.html).  That satellite transponder is only visible in North America.

When will NASA HD be available on cable / DBS?

As of 19-Jul-2010, NASA has the HD feed up on their satellite 24-7, just like they do with the SD feed.  It is now available for cable/DBS to take it and distribute it to your home.  So now is the time to call up your provider and ask for it!  (note:  "DBS" = direct broadcast satellite; in the US that means DirecTV and Dish)

HD video downloads

NASA makes a few of the videos available for download later at:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html

In May 2011, NASA announced a partnership with archive.org to provide much more multimedia, including HD videos:
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/may/HQ_M11-101_Mission_Audio.html
http://www.archive.org/details/johnsonspacecentervideocollection

Some users here at NSF record the HD feeds and make them available as MPEG4/H.264 downloads -- huge, multi-GB files, usually.  Look for them mentioned in the daily mission threads or sometimes linked from http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org .

NASA also uploads some of the HD videos to Youtube, but they can be hard to find.  Look for videos by Youtube user NASAtelevision (http://www.youtube.com/user/NASAtelevision), then click on "Search Options" to reduce the results list to just "Features: HD", then limit further by "Upload date: Today".  Also you can try searching for the mission tag, like STS-132.  Note: after NASA uploads the video it will appear right away in SD but takes a few more hours for the HD version to become available.  Also we DO believe that these are real HD videos, with full 720p resolution and 30 fps framerate.

Joining binary files together

NSF user rsmath frequently posts video files of feeds that he's captured from this HD feed, but because the files are so big he has to chop them up.  You should rejoin them before trying to view them.  In Windows machines, it is trivially easy to rejoin binary files together, without special software like HJSplit.

In Windows, open a command prompt and do this to get to where the files are:
C:                          change to the drive where the file chunks are)
dir                         list files and directories (aka folders)
cd ..                       change to the parent directory of where you are now
cd directory                move down into a directory where the file chunks are

And once you are in the right directory, here's the key command:
copy /b file1 + file2 + file3 fileresult

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DOS_commands#copy

This will concatenate the files together.  I used to do it all the time with mp3 captures.  The result will be free of glitches.  Mac and Linux has similar capabilities -- open a terminal / command prompt and type "man cat".

Video format

NASA went with 720p, because the progressive format makes frame-by-frame analysis simpler.  NASA uses many of these camera shots for internal documentation, of course.  1080i is interlaced and creates a bit of a dilemma if you're scrutinizing the video for a particular instantaneous event. 

Also note that they don't use the common 59.94 Hz framerate, rather a pure 60 Hz, for the same reason.

Video bitrates

Typical bitrates up through Dec 2009, when the HD service was up:
HQ1 6-8 Mbps
HQ2 ~1 Mbps (slate) or ~3 Mbps (programming)
HQ3 6-8 Mbps
HQ4 6-8 Mbps
HQ5 12 Mbps

In Jan 2010 the NASA TV satellite distribution multiplex moved to a new satellite and slightly larger carrier (+2 Mbps), so it was expected that these numbers would change, and here's what they came up with as they started their STS-130 coverage:

HQ1 6.65 Mbps
HQ2 2.98 Mbps
HQ3 6.95 Mbps
HQ4 7.99 Mbps
HQ5 12.00 Mbps

In July 2010, along with the permanent addition of the HD service, these numbers evolved to:

HQ1   6.08 Mbps
HQ2   4.07 Mbps
HQ3   6.08 Mbps
HQ4   6.08 Mbps
HQ105 14.20 Mbps
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: benjaminhigginbotham on 02/05/2010 04:37 am
Is HQ5 back online on AMC 3? I'm getting HQ 1 through 4 right now, but not seeing HQ5 which is generally the HD stream. Usually we have an HD feed by now.

I'm trying to determine if there is a problem with our setup or if NASA simply isn't broadcasting HD yet. I would hate to see STS-130 go up without HD!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/05/2010 06:15 pm
It came up at 9:53am ET with a slate.  I'll screenshot it later.

Yesterday after I started plowing through all the posts and building my two reference posts above, I realized that this thread screwup problem actually could be fixed very easily by the admins.  So I've been basically begging them to do it since yesterday afternoon (no point in relaying the details here, Mark and Chris have a detailed PM from me).  It'll just take a minute from them to rework and then we'll be set.

For that reason I'm holding off on commenting on the HD feed here for a couple hours.  The HD feed is up though.  I'll start commenting on the HD here at 5pm if the NSF admins haven't fixed the thread problem by then.  Would be a shame though.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/05/2010 09:06 pm
OK, proceeding for now, hopefully we can fix these later, but it'll be a pain.

The HD feed came up at 9:53am ET with an info slate (screenshot below).

At 14:10 they went to our old friend, the static pad shot (screenshot below).

At 15:15 they started running a 6-7 minute HD package about the ISS, reviewing the capabilities of this beast as we near completion.  They ran it over and over a few times until 15:45.  First run was missing narration audio, as were some of the other runs.

Back to pad shot for now, getting darker!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/06/2010 06:39 pm
They stayed with the pad shot through "sunset" (no sun really, heavy cloud cover) until just a few light spots were visible, then they switched to black overnight.  At 7:30am they came back with the pad shot, in time to watch the RSS retract.

From 10:00am to 11:00am they carried Administrator Bolden's news conference (in HD).

Otherwise they've been on the pad shot all day.  The camera has been shaky since we first saw it come up yesterday, which very well could be due to wind, but frankly I think they should be able to stabilize it with proper mounting.  It's not a typhoon out there.  Hopefully it's resolved by tonight.

I expect they'll have full coverage, with multiple HD cameras and PAO voiceover, starting at 7pm.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/07/2010 03:41 am
NASATV HD feed at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spacevidcast
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/07/2010 04:36 am
Thanks Rob.  I've now completed the FAQ (above and linked below in my sig) and it includes the links to the SpaceVidCast streams.

They did have HD coverage as expected.  Whatever was causing that camera shake before seems to be gone now.  Watching and waiting!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/07/2010 09:57 pm
Earlier today, an NSF Admin corrected the post merge problem and you will now find all the old HD posting history in this thread.  The links in my sig below should still work correctly, and the FAQ post should be good but I need to rework the history post.  I'll do that late tonight while watching the countdown.

The HD service is still up but has been in black all day, since 6:50am this morning.  Why no pad shot, I don't know.  Hopefully they'll resolve that in time for the tanking coverage at 6:30pm.  (Edit 6:31pm: oh,I see it starts at 6:45pm now)

Edit 6:51pm:  coverage has started on the SD channels, but HD is still in black.  Uh oh.

Edit 7:32pm:  after waiting a while, I made some phone calls, and it just now came up.  I don't know if I had anything to do with it, but the timing is suspicious :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/08/2010 08:31 am
About 2 minutes after MECO, they cut away from coverage to show a pad shot (now missing an STS stack) and tone on the audio. :(

Then a minute or so later the coverage audio returned (PAO, comms, etc.) but video was a "Launch Replays next" slate.  Disappointing that they had to split away from paralleling the SD coverage.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 02/08/2010 08:33 am
About 2 minutes after MECO, they cut away from coverage to show a pad shot (now missing an STS stack) and tone on the audio. :(

Then a minute or so later the coverage audio returned (PAO, comms, etc.) but video was a "Launch Replays next" slate.  Disappointing that they had to split away from paralleling the SD coverage.

Yikes...still definitely targeted for news orgs...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/08/2010 12:47 pm
i'm uploading the launch HD material and should have it posted sometime later on Monday.  All the batch files were changed back in January so I was all set to roll!

as for the FAQ, ChrisC, I would have thought NASA used 720p because it takes less bandwidth to get a good picture and their mux is still pretty much bandwidth constrained with the 4 SD channels and the HD channel.

It would be cool if they'd up the SR to 33,000 or whatever and free up much more bandwidth to give the HD feed, but I think some receivers have a tough time tuning signals above 30,000 SR.



 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/08/2010 02:05 pm
STS-130 launch in HD, H264 format, about 460MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/15532593/sts130-launch-hd.mp4


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/08/2010 08:18 pm
I was very impressed with HDnet's coverage (not the commentator - I ff'ed through him.) It was my first HD launch and they had great shots from their "fishcam" (no jumpers) and a 4-screen replay, and the whiteroomcam HD replay pretty early on. Looked great!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/08/2010 10:51 pm
I may have to check out HDNET's coverage.  I roll hard drive and watch NASA HD and I assumed NASA HD has everything HDNET did (except for the commentators) since it's my understanding HDNET provides the HD cameras and pool feed at the cape that NASA HD uses in their coverage.

If I can arrange and set up another PC that isn't one of my older generation, gutless ones, I may have to even post a HDNET launch clip once sometime just so there can be a comparision of the minutes leading to launch through ET sep.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/09/2010 01:07 am
Their "fishcam" was set up to get the reflection off some large body of water and said it was to see if any fish jumped at liftoff (no success this time.) The other unique cam (maybe I've ff-ed too fast in the past) was the launch from the white room HD cam. All of those played pretty early on, when the "regular" view was just the 3 SSME's. Then they did a 4-way split screen with four vantage points of the launch as the show close. I think it reairs a few times?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/09/2010 02:20 am
I roll hard drive and watch NASA HD and I assumed NASA HD has everything HDNET did (except for the commentators) since it's my understanding HDNET provides the HD cameras and pool feed at the cape that NASA HD uses in their coverage.

Somewhere in this thread a couple years ago I believe someone explained that HDNet had indeed provided some cameras as part of the HD agreement back in 2004-2005, but since then NASA has upgraded many of the cameras themselves.  So I believe NASA has far more HD shots to choose from than HDNet, or at least the same number.  Just speculation on my part though.

Be careful with posting clips of HDNet coverage, especially the legality of it.

as for the FAQ, ChrisC, I would have thought NASA used 720p because it takes less bandwidth to get a good picture ...

... but this is NOT speculation on my part.  I've attended NASA presentations on this, twice.  They absolutely did not make the 720p decision based on distribution bitrate concerns.  They wanted progressive framing for precision of documentation / forensics.  So 720p60 is used in-house, and to then use that for distribution is a no-brainer.

... and their mux is still pretty much bandwidth constrained with the 4 SD channels and the HD channel.  It would be cool if they'd up the SR to 33,000 or whatever and free up much more bandwidth to give the HD feed, but I think some receivers have a tough time tuning signals above 30,000 SR.

True, a lot of demods have that 30 Msyms limit.  But it's beside the point.  They are not bandwidth constrained, not even close.  They absolutely could put far more bits into the HD service today.  I'm sure you all are tired of me saying it, and I'm tired of complaining about it.  SD rates should be 5-6 Mbps to make room for HD at 15, and all 5 services should be up at those rates 24-7; running SD at 7-9 Mbps is simply squandering bits.  If they can't staff the HD service, or don't have the gear to upconvert the SD service, leave a slate up!  Really, I'm at a loss why they haven't done this.

Anyway, back to today's activity ... they had just the slate up all day long.  Actually my recording system was unavailable from 13:15 to 16:00 EST today so I can't be sure about that window, but nothing was on the schedule and there was slate before and after so it was probably slate too.

Looking forward to HD highlights starting in a day or two!

And thanks rsmath for your encode efforts!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/09/2010 06:44 pm
They've stayed on slate all day.

Per the TV schedule, we don't expect to see the first HD highlights until tomorrow 11am EST.

I wonder if they'll carry the Atlas SDO launch tomorrow.  I wouldn't be surprised if they did; they carried (in HD) another EELV launch a year or so ago that happened to coincide with HD being up, and carried the Phoenix descent, and so on.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/10/2010 02:28 pm
Atlas SDO coverage is in HD!  No time for screenshots, just noting it for the record.

Other than the SDO coverage coming up at 7:40am, they've stayed in slate.  There have not been any STS-130 highlights fed.  Maybe now that SDO has scrubbed for the day they'll feed STS-130.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rv_rocket on 02/10/2010 03:55 pm
I have a 'horse before the cart' type of question.

What is it going to take to get NASA to carry HD full time so the cable operators can carry it?

Is NASA TV waiting for Cable/Direct to ask for them to carry HD coverage? Do they want to see that there is a demand before offering it?

Or is it something internal (funding etc) that they are waiting on?

An insight on this would be appriceated.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/10/2010 04:01 pm
I think there is a problem with the Shuttle MPC - so they cannot downlink HD.

They had recorded both FD1 and FD2 HD Crew Choice Highlights in HD but could only downlink in SD.

They downlinked approx 10 Min of FD1 Highlights this morning (shown on Public Channel) and 15 min of FD2 (shown only on Media channel - due to SDO coverage on Public Channel).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/10/2010 10:24 pm

Be careful with posting clips of HDNet coverage, especially the legality of it.


 running SD at 7-9 Mbps is simply squandering bits.


thanks for the slap to the head.  I forgout about the HDNet and copyright issue (whereas NASA is "public domain" for noncomm purposes) so I'll just make a copy of HDNET for my private collection of one of their remaining shuttle launch coverages.

as for SD at 7-9 mbps is wasting bandwidth, couldn't agree with you more!  I doubt any satellite or cable service retransmits NASA TV SD at 7-9 MBPS since they all reproicess the signal (especially lower the bitrate significantly) so they can squeeze more channels onto their systems.

btw, not seeing FD-3 highlights.  My first recording has the SDO launch attempt and the second recording is a slate.  I see from the SD FD3 highlights they seemed to have some HD source material in it, but I'm not seeing a feed on NASA HD of that source material at the times given in the NASA TV sked rev d.

i'll keep monitoring HD at the TOH most of the evening hoping something comes through and I can snag it and post it.   It would be nice if someone at NASA would put a "Sorry, FD3 HD not available" if that is the case so the media and me wouldn't go crazy wondering what the story is.








Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/10/2010 10:25 pm
I think there is a problem with the Shuttle MPC - so they cannot downlink HD.


does that mean FD1 and FD2 were shown on the front display at MCC-H in a 4:3 window instead of the wider 16:9 window they normally use for watching downlinked HD material?

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/10/2010 10:30 pm
What is it going to take to get NASA to carry HD full time so the cable operators can carry it?

I don't know for sure, but my guesses would be not enough source material to warrant a 24/7 channel, not a big enough library to run something 24/7 without becoming as boring as Zoom HD was, or the end of the shuttle program and potential loss of the moon program makes it not a priority to go HD 24/7.  If you could free up a second comm channel to TDRS, you could do 24/7 HD from the ISS to help launch a full-time NASA HD channel, but I think NASA has way too many science missions that could better utilize that TDRS comm channel than to dedicate it to the ISS for HD and more telemetry/data.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 02/10/2010 11:17 pm
I would be happy if they would just show the HD live as they get it, since they have the capability.  Right now (7:16 pm EST) they are sending HD down from the flight deck finally.  Is HQ5 carrying it?

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/10/2010 11:36 pm
I think there is a problem with the Shuttle MPC - so they cannot downlink HD.


does that mean FD1 and FD2 were shown on the front display at MCC-H in a 4:3 window instead of the wider 16:9 window they normally use for watching downlinked HD material?



Yes.

However,  good news re the MPC problem they had earlier - they now have good MPC downlink, and were mentioning something about re-downlinking some of the earlier video,  in HD this time. Don't know when they will do it however. Could be the ET handheld video from FD1 or FD1 & 2 crew choice (let's hope!).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/11/2010 12:44 am
I would be happy if they would just show the HD live as they get it, since they have the capability.  Right now (7:16 pm EST) they are sending HD down from the flight deck finally.  Is HQ5 carrying it?



they didn't carry it - I was rolling hard drive since that was the third and final FD3 HD highlight opportunity in the tv sked.

I'll roll again tomorrow and see what they feed.  Hopefully everything in HD to date in one nice "FD1-4" package.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/11/2010 03:04 pm
Thanks all for the updates and the good news on the MPC fix.

Atlas coverage was in HD and they are running camera replays as I type (nearly all in HD).

There have not yet been any ISS/STS HD highlights, but my fingers are crossed that we'll see them soon, now that we know they're on the ground.  The TV schedule has them feeding at 11am, which is right now, but the Atlas coverage is still rolling, so maybe we'll see them afterwards.  Otherwise we might have to wait until the 5pm/6pm CT replays as shown on the schedule.  I won't be around to verify those though, not until tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/11/2010 03:25 pm
Thanks all for the updates and the good news on the MPC fix.

Atlas coverage was in HD and they are running camera replays as I type (nearly all in HD).

There have not yet been any ISS/STS HD highlights, but my fingers are crossed that we'll see them soon, now that we know they're on the ground.  The TV schedule has them feeding at 11am, which is right now, but the Atlas coverage is still rolling, so maybe we'll see them afterwards.  Otherwise we might have to wait until the 5pm/6pm CT replays as shown on the schedule.  I won't be around to verify those though, not until tomorrow morning.


Well.......they tried downloading FD3 & FD4 Crew Choice thru MPC before crew sleep this mornng.......but Shuttle MPC flaked out again so no-joy.

However, ISS did send down some good HD of shuttle approach and internal scenes via ISS MPC.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/11/2010 11:21 pm

5pm (and currently 6pm) CT HD replays are still slate so it looks like once again no shuttle HD highlights.  11am first feed was sat launch as Chris mentioned.

At least StupidSat is off the ground so there won't be any more preemptions to the HD feed schedule anytime soon.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/12/2010 10:53 am
Great MPC FD 5 Crew Choice downlink this morning....finally.....

Now, whether it will show up in today's NASA TV HD Highlight package, is another question.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/12/2010 02:44 pm
Flight Day 5 (Feb 11th-12th)

A new "FD5 HD Highlights" slate came up at around 10:05am!

So I think it's likely that we'll see something at 11am per the schedule.  Gentlemen start your tape capstans!

Update 11:01am:  rolling now!  No screenshots will be forthcoming from me, I'm dealing with computer disasters.

Update 11:12am:  done, 11 minutes long, a grab bag of shots on an EVA day [these were incorporated into the SD highlights package that we saw later].  Now back to the old downlink parameters slate.

Update 6:50pm: nothing seen despite the fact that the schedule says we should have seen replays at 5pm and 6pm, and now they've dropped the slate and are feeding black.

Based on past experience, that may be it for the weekend.  I hope you all caught the 11am feed :)

Thanks Rob for the link, I've added that to the FAQ.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/12/2010 02:49 pm
...it's online too! http://www.spacevidcast.com/nasahd/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/12/2010 11:57 pm
So I think it's likely that we'll see something at 11am per the schedule.  Gentlemen start your tape capstans!


got it!  I have no tape capstan, it's all hard drive here.

It's being processed now, I should have it ready to post in a little bit.

Christmas definitely came in February today with some actual STS-130 HD from space!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/13/2010 12:06 am
So I think it's likely that we'll see something at 11am per the schedule.  Gentlemen start your tape capstans!


got it!  I have no tape capstan, it's all hard drive here.

It's being processed now, I should have it ready to post in a little bit.

Christmas definitely came in February today with some actual STS-130 HD from space!



Great news...looking forward to it...thanks for your efforts!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/13/2010 03:00 pm

STS-130 Flight Day 5 HD Highlights.

H264 format, about 400mb, 10 minutes worth of video.

http://www.filefront.com/15572173/sts130-fd5-hd.mp4

There was no HD material for FD's 1-4.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/13/2010 07:29 pm
Flight Day 6 (Feb 12th-13th)

The HD service came out of black at around 10:05am ET and went to the downlink parameters slate.

And has stayed there all afternoon up to now.  Nothing seen at 11am per schedule, hoping for 5pm or 6pm.

Edit 6:46pm:  Still nothing but slate up to now.

Update Feb 16th:  the FD6 and FD7 highlights came down a couple days later in the middle of the night, unannounced; will probably get repeated at end of mission.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg546391#msg546391
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/13/2010 09:41 pm
Flight Day 6 (Feb 12th-13th)

The HD service came out of black at around 10:05am ET and went to the downlink parameters slate.

And has stayed there all afternoon up to now.  Nothing seen at 11am per schedule, hoping for 5pm or 6pm.


I believe crew was going to downlink FD6 HD Crew Choice before sleep this morning, but the Ku Pass for that was missed. 

They are downlinking it right now - looks great! Hope it shows up in the NASA TV HD Highlights for today (FD7).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/14/2010 12:38 pm
The crew downlinked FD 7 Crew Choice in HD for approx 12 minutes. It covered EVA 2 and Node 3 outfitting.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/14/2010 04:03 pm
Flight Day 7 (Feb 13th-14th)

Nothing but slate up to now on the HD service, despite the 11am planned feed.  They might not be doing HD edits over the weekend, as in the past.

Update 6:50pm:  nope, nothing all day.

Update Feb 16th:  the FD6 and FD7 highlights came down a couple days later in the middle of the night, unannounced; will probably get repeated at end of mission.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg546391#msg546391
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 02/14/2010 04:14 pm
I believe they said the HD feeds would be at 5 and 6 pm (EST?) this afternoon.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/14/2010 10:05 pm
looks like the HD guy has weekends off.  Knowing tomorrow is a holiday, President's Day, I bet there won't be HD again tomorrow.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/15/2010 12:03 pm
Before crew sleep this morning, FD 8 Crew Choice downlink - approx 18 min of downlink. The first 8 min was in SD (too bad!), followed by another 10 min in HD (yeah!).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/15/2010 12:58 pm
Just heard on NASA TV that it's airing at either 10 or 11am and again at 4 or 5 this afternoon.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/15/2010 03:31 pm
Flight Day 8 (Feb 14th-15th)

They had the satellite downlink parameters slate up all night.  At around 10:55am they put up a "HD FD8 highlights" slate, and at 11:00am sharp they started rolling the highlights.  With commentary audio!  Quick tour of Russian segment, Cupola move and repress, general outfitting work, PMA move with very good Zamka comments about the value of the Cupola to robotics ops.  11 minutes long total, so probably all of the HD that dshaffer saw above; we'll probably see that SD material in the regular SD highlights package.

By 11:15am they'd gone back to the satellite downlink parameters slate.  Hopefully we'll see replays but recent experience has been 50/50 on that, despite what it says on the schedule.  Glad to see that the HD guy is working on a federal holiday :)

Update:  they did indeed run the replays, once at 5:02pm and again at 6:00pm.  After that they went to black and as of 6:19pm appear to be staying there (in black, no slate).

If unspecified, all of my times are always ET.  I'll try to say that in the future.  Got lazy this time.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/15/2010 06:51 pm
they better have the HD refeed, because 11am (assuming CST) doesn't sound familiar to the time in the TV sked rev g that I used to set my timers.

if it's 11am ET, I should be good assuming the tuner did its job properly and wasn't those 1 in 1000 flakeouts.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/15/2010 06:52 pm
No, that was 11am EST.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/16/2010 05:23 am

STS-130 FD8 HD highlights in H264 AVC format - about 407 MB, 11 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/15597985/sts130-fd8-hd.mp4

There were no HD highlights for FD 6 and 7.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/16/2010 11:39 am
FD9 Crew Choice was sent down in HD before crew sleep this morning (EST). Ran for approx 11 min.

Hopefully the missing FD6 & 7 HD Highlights will be shown later in the mission.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/16/2010 11:40 am

STS-130 FD8 HD highlights in H264 AVC format - about 407 MB, 11 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/15597985/sts130-fd8-hd.mp4

There were no HD highlights for FD 6 and 7.


Thanks for doing this!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/16/2010 02:46 pm
Flight Day 6 highlights and FD 7 highlights ran at 4am!

04:02:00  FD 6 highlights slate
04:04:50  partial/aborted run apparently, tape shuttling, rewound back to slate at end, repeated during next run
04:08:45  FD 6 highlights slate
04:11:00  FD 6 highlights: Node 3 hatch opening and ingress, Cupola hatch opening and ingress, Node 1/3 vestibule outfitting, Node 3 nadir window view, Cupola CDC views, EVA prebreathe, almost no commentary
04:23:10  FD 7 highlights slate
04:23:40  FD 7 highlights:  Virts in middeck(?), EVA #2 start, only one minute long
04:24:30  tape shuttling
04:25:15  black
04:27:20  FD 8 highlights slate (nothing actually fed)
04:35      black

07:30  satellite downlink parameters slate

10:55     FD 9 highlights slate
11:00:00     FD 9 highlights: breakfast on middeck, PMA-3 robotics, Cupola outfitting, Node 1 crew lunch with open mic, zero G fun, EVA #3 prep
11:09:00  black
11:10:00  satellite downlink parametersslate

All times Eastern.

I have captures of everything, but will not have time to transfer/upload to you all, sorry, it's quite tedious for me to pull off.  I'm barely keeping up with dayjob workload as it is, even just logging what's happening here.  Actually, not keeping up with work at all :(  I expect these feeds to repeat though; if they don't by end of mission then maybe I'll get with rsmath to do a transfer but it would be at least a week away.

They can't really expect us to catch it in a single random unscheduled feed at 4am :)  So we'll watch for a repeat, perhaps at end of mission like they've done before.

Now back to work.  I'll check in again at 6:30pm to see how the day's replays went.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/16/2010 03:12 pm
Flight Day 6 highlights ran at 4am!  At least that's what the slate said.  I will take a closer look within the next hour.


Chris - do you capture these to disk/tape?

If rsmath did not capture it, is there another mechanism available to get it encoded?

I have the means to do .h264 AVC encoding, but it would depend on the raw HD input format i.e. tape or digital file.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/16/2010 10:11 pm
Flight Day 6 highlights and FD 7 highlights ran at 4am!

04:02:00  FD 6 highlights slate
04:04:50  partial/aborted run apparently, tape shuttling, rewound back to slate at end, repeated during next run
04:08:45  FD 6 highlights slate
04:11:00  FD 6 highlights: Node 3 hatch opening and ingress, Cupola hatch opening and ingress, Node 1/3 vestibule outfitting, Node 3 nadir window view, Cupola CDC views, EVA prebreathe, almost no commentary
04:23:10  FD 7 highlights slate
04:23:40  FD 7 highlights:  Virts in middeck(?), EVA #2 start, only one minute long
04:24:30  tape shuttling
04:25:15  black
04:27:20  FD 8 highlights slate (nothing actually fed)
04:35      black

07:30  satellite downlink parameters slate

10:55     FD 9 highlights slate
11:00:00     FD 9 highlights: breakfast on middeck, PMA-3 robotics, Cupola outfitting, Node 1 crew lunch with open mic, zero G fun, EVA #3 prep
11:09:00  black
11:10:00  satellite downlink parametersslate

All times Eastern.

I have captures of everything, but will not have time to transfer/upload to you all, sorry, it's quite tedious for me to pull off.  I'm barely keeping up with dayjob workload as it is, even just logging what's happening here.  Actually, not keeping up with work at all :(  I expect these feeds to repeat though; if they don't by end of mission then maybe I'll get with rsmath to do a transfer but it would be at least a week away.

They can't really expect us to catch it in a single random unscheduled feed at 4am :)  So we'll watch for a repeat, perhaps at end of mission like they've done before.

Now back to work.  I'll check in again at 6:30pm to see how the day's replays went.


Wow, your perseverance and patience through all the frustrations caused by NASA TV HD Channel programming weirdness is much appreciated.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/16/2010 10:19 pm
If rsmath did not capture it, is there another mechanism available to get it encoded?


I didn't get it because I wasn't expecting it.  The mechanism is that Chris can snip the transport stream of relevance and send it to me, where I can strip out the HD service and encode that in H264 AVC.

I'll see what I can do about monitoring closely for a refeed to save Chris some effort, but I still am not able to monitor the HD 24/7 and I don't have enough hard drive to record it 24/7 looking for a refeed.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/16/2010 10:32 pm
If rsmath did not capture it, is there another mechanism available to get it encoded?


I didn't get it because I wasn't expecting it.  The mechanism is that Chris can snip the transport stream of relevance and send it to me, where I can strip out the HD service and encode that in H264 AVC.

I'll see what I can do about monitoring closely for a refeed to save Chris some effort, but I still am not able to monitor the HD 24/7 and I don't have enough hard drive to record it 24/7 looking for a refeed.



Thanks.

I wish I had a large dish to receive the raw feed, but I'd be happy to help out any way I can.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/16/2010 10:35 pm
Looks like they replayed FD9 at 17:25 and 18:00.

Sorry I can't do more right now ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/17/2010 04:24 am
Looks like they replayed FD9 at 17:25 and 18:00.

Sorry I can't do more right now ...


I got FD9 - it's going to filefront as I speak and I'll have the URL when it's done.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/17/2010 05:50 am
STS-130 FD 9 HD highlights.

H264 AVC format, about 340MB and 10 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/15606867/sts130-fd9-hd.mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/17/2010 11:53 am
Lots of FD 10 HD Crew Choice sent down before crew sleep this morning, approx 35 min of EVA 3 and Cupola Ops/views.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/17/2010 12:08 pm
There were no surprise feeds overnight.

I will be standing by at 11am to log it!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/17/2010 02:58 pm
Flight Day 10 (Feb 16th-17th)

The FD 10 HD slate came up at around 10:55am.

All with audio commentary but I wasn't able to listen in this first time through.

All times Eastern.

11:00:40  EVA crew airlock prep, SAFER install by Zamka and Creamer
11:04:15  Cupola outfitting by Virts and Hire, Cupola tour with shutters closed
11:06:15  views from Russian segment window of EVA work
11:07:00  Cupola window 7 opened and closed, window 5 opened
11:09:20  views of complex through window 5, earth horizon
11:10:05  EVA crew coming back in
11:12:25  views of complex from cupola, looking at sunrise and then panning around the whole 360 view, past shuttle, solar arrays, airlock, russian segment
11:14:00  frozen for a minute while they go through a comms handover
11:15:00  more views, solar arrays, earth horizon, russian segment views with Moon in distance!
11:17:10  one more quick view of russian segment with earth below
11:17:30  The End!  Back to satellite downlink parameters slate


Update:  looks like replays came through; here's 5pm; I'm about to leave so I won't be checking for 6pm until tomorrow but it's now a good bet we'll see that come through too.

17:04:00  FD 10 HD highlights slate went up
17:06:00  FD 10 HD highlights start rolling
17:22:00  done, back to usual slate

Nothing further, and at around 18:55 they went to black for the overnight.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: klausd on 02/18/2010 07:32 am
I want to say thank you to all of you here! All over the world, people are waiting to see your uploaded HD material. For example here in germany.

Keep on the good work!  :)

Regards, Klaus
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/18/2010 11:35 am
FD 11 HD Crew Choice downlink this morning before crew sleep ran for approx 9 mins.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/18/2010 03:23 pm
They've been feeding video nearly constantly since 7:30am this morning.  I've just seen thumbnails so far, but it looks to me like mostly repeated material, but I think I see an FD 11 in there.  I may get a chance to look closer in the next 2 hours, but if not by 1:30pm then not at all today for me.

Update 11:37am: I definitely see new cupola footage in there, so that must be the FD 11, and I also see FD 5 replaying right now.  Oh, wait, I just discovered a new feature of my capturing system that gives me bigger thumbnails.  I'll have this logged for you all by 1:30pm for sure!  Work in progress below ...

03:45am - 04:05am: in the middle of the overnight (black) they fed 20 minutes of video

05:40  sat parms slate came up
07:29  FD 5 highlights
07:40  FD 6 highlights
07:51  meatball, missed slate, probably FD 7 highlights
08:02  FD 8 highlights
08:13  FD 9 highlights
08:22  black/slate/slate
08:25  FD 10 highlights
08:43  slate
08:54  video, not sure what, missed the slate, FD 5 probably
09:05  video, not sure what, missed the slate, FD 6 I think
09:16  video, not sure what, missed the slate, FD 7 I think

That's all I can do for now.  See a pattern?

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/18/2010 06:24 pm

STS-130 FD 10 HD highlights.  About 17 minutes in length and 625MB in size.

You'll have to rejoin the two parts with HJSplit (free) or other methods.

http://www.filefront.com/15616633/sts130-fd10-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/15616995/sts130-fd10-hd.mp4.002/





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: klausd on 02/18/2010 07:07 pm
Wow, thanks  :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/19/2010 02:04 am
i think I have a beat on FD6 and FD7 - it appears they fed them thurs. morning after the FD11 feed. 

I'll have to check it closer and process them if so to make them available soon.

EDIT: it was FD 6 and 7!  FD6 processing is done, FD7 is going on right now.  as soon as it finishes, I'll upload FD 11, 6 and 7 and post the links.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/19/2010 08:21 am

STS-130 FD 11 HD Highlights - H264 AVC format, about 342MB and 9 minutes in length

http://www.filefront.com/15624239/sts130-fd11-hd.mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/19/2010 08:27 am

STS-130 FD 6 HD highlights, H264 AVC format, about 400MB and 10 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/15624497/sts130-fd6-hd.mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: klausd on 02/19/2010 08:44 am
Amazing!

unfortunately the fd10 highlights were a little bit shattered at the ende. But no matter, they were awsome though!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/19/2010 10:17 am

STS-130 FD 7 HD highlights, H264 AVC format, about 410MB and 11 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/15624845/sts130-fd7-hd.mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/19/2010 11:07 am
Crew downlinked 14 min of FD 12 Crew choice in HD before sleep this morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/19/2010 03:01 pm
They have been running highlights continuously since yesterday morning.  YES!  This is exactly what they should be doing!  Old material?  FINE!  Run it!  Now: keep the HD service up after STS-130 mission is over and keep running those packages, please :)

I'm going to watch and log for the next few minutes, to see if they feed FD12.  Looks like they may have already fed it at 10am.

All times Eastern.

10:50 FD 8 highlights
11:03 FD 9 highlights
11:06 package cut off, went to black
11:11 FD 9 highlights resume
11:12 FD 10 highlights
11:30 FD 11 highlights
11:39 FD 12 highlights:  group photo in cupola, cupola opening ceremony (commentary audio only), decal application, incredible outside views of cupola, crew lunch in Node 1, hatch closing ceremony, crowded middeck shots, aurora, views out over Columbus module, more middeck
11:51  back to FD 5 highlights

As soon as I finish my computer rebuild, the first thing I will screenshot is the outside view of the cupola in the FD 12 highlights.  That's your money shot right there.

Update:  here it is!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/19/2010 04:46 pm
They have been running highlights continuously since yesterday morning.  YES!  This is exactly what they should be doing!  Old material?  FINE!  Run it!  Now: keep the HD service up after STS-130 mission is over and keep running those packages, please :)

I'm going to watch and log for the next few minutes, to see if they feed FD12.  Looks like they may have already fed it at 10am.

10:50 FD 8 highlights
11:03 FD 9 highlights
11:06 package cut off, went to black
11:11 FD 9 highlights resume
11:12 FD 10 highlights
11:30 FD 11 highlights
11:39 FD 12 highlights:  group photo in cupola, cupola opening ceremony (commentary audio only), decal application, incredible outside views of cupola, crew lunch in Node 1, hatch closing ceremony, crowded middeck shots, aurora, views out over Columbus module, more middeck
11:51  back to FD 5 highlights

As soon as I finish my computer rebuild, the first thing I will screenshot is the outside view of the cupola in the FD 12 highlights.  That's your money shot right there.

All times Eastern.



Thanks Chris
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: floron on 02/19/2010 07:14 pm
Thanks for posting these up guys!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: klausd on 02/19/2010 07:19 pm

These are the HD Flight Highlights form FD 12 but not in HD...  :-\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0elUguk05b8&hd=1
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: klausd on 02/19/2010 08:28 pm
now the youtube file is in HD 720p but with lower bitrate than your files.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/20/2010 12:04 am
They continued to feed the replays all day until around 19:55, when they went to black, and 10 minutes later they are still in black.  That might be it for the day.

Update:  they were in black for about 30 minutes.  At 20:30 they started feeding HD again, until 22:00; nothing new seen.  They went to the sat DL parms slate for the overnight.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/20/2010 09:03 am
STS-130 FD12 HD highlights - H264 AVC format - about 500 MB in size and 13 minutes in length

Use HJSplit (free) or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/15632185/sts130-fd12-hd.mp4.001

http://www.filefront.com/15632703/sts130-fd12-hd.mp4.002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/20/2010 11:48 am
Lots of HD downlink overnight - too bad it won't all show up in today's NASA TV HD FD Highlight package.

Shuttle HD view of ISS during flyaround - approx 40 mins

ISS HD downlink of tour, STS-130 crew acitvities, etc - approx 50 mins

STS-130 FD13 HD Crew Choice this morning - approx 22 mins
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/20/2010 04:58 pm
At 01:15am ET they ran some footage for about an hour.  Looks like it was another run through of the highlights from FD 5 through FD 9.   Then black for about 3 hours, and then sat DL parms slate.  It's stayed on slate all day so far.

Update:  slate all day and evening
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/21/2010 03:38 pm
Nothing but slate all night and all day so far.

If the landing is at KSC we should see HD camera shots live.  We have never seen HD coverage out of Edwards (as logged in this thread) and in fact for STS-128 they dropped the HD service once they had committed to Edwards, before they even touched down. (ref (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg476791#msg476791))

Update 8:55pm:  go for deorbit burn for KSC landing; HD service is still in the same sat DL parms slate it's been in for a day now.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/22/2010 02:12 am
HD service just came out of slate, just 10 minutes before touchdown.  Showing a runway shot.  I really wish they'd put up a slate telling us their plans, I had just about given up.

Not much to see right now, frankly.  The infrared camera is SD.  Things should get better when they get better lighting conditions with the PAO roving camera on the runway.

UPDATES after landing:

Watching camera replays ...
HD VAB roof
SD Pilot's view
SD South end of runway
HD SLF midfield
SD SLF midfield IR
HD SLF midfield rover
HD TV Tower 1
HD TV Tower 2

Back to live.  Oh yeah, gorgeous shot of the cockpit.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/22/2010 02:22 am
Live HD streaming at http://www.spacevidcast.com/nasahd/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/22/2010 10:42 am

STS-130 Landing in HD.  H264 AVC format, about 8 minutes long and 300 MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/15651889/sts130-landing-hd.mp4

I plan on posting STS-130 launch and landing engineering files at some point to finish out the STS-130 HD material.

btw, learned something this mission that I didn't know.  Even with the HD feed gone, I found out if you go the KSC engineering channel, you should be able to watch the shuttle being towed off the SLF and presumably into the OPF.  I was bored late Sunday evening MT and was able to see some camera shots (hours after landing) of the orbiter being towed into what appeared could be the OPF.  I should watch the engineering channel more closely next landing after the HD feed goes to slate.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/22/2010 11:55 am

STS-130 Landing in HD.  H264 AVC format, about 8 minutes long and 300 MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/15651889/sts130-landing-hd.mp4

I plan on posting STS-130 launch and landing engineering files at some point to finish out the STS-130 HD material.

btw, learned something this mission that I didn't know.  Even with the HD feed gone, I found out if you go the KSC engineering channel, you should be able to watch the shuttle being towed off the SLF and presumably into the OPF.  I was bored late Sunday evening MT and was able to see some camera shots (hours after landing) of the orbiter being towed into what appeared could be the OPF.  I should watch the engineering channel more closely next landing after the HD feed goes to slate.







Thanks for this!  Did you catch crew walkaround in HD?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/22/2010 01:09 pm
Thanks for this!  Did you catch crew walkaround in HD?

yes, I did happen to roll hard drive long enough for that.  I'll post that, too, at some point in the next few days to a week.   I think I'll add to that clip part of the video where you could clearly see through the windows the CDR and PLT inside the shuttle cockpit doing some of their post-landing checklist work because I believe that would be a first for NASA TV.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/22/2010 03:52 pm
Yeah, I noted that shot in the live thread, looked great in HD.

After landing, they carried the press conference in HD, then went back to the runway shot for about 10 minutes before going to the usual slate.  They stayed on slate all night and the HD service dropped at 10:13am ET this morning.

For the record, bitrates are now:

HQ1   8.67 Mbps
HQ2   9.47 Mbps
HQ3  10.34 Mbps
HQ4   8.49 Mbps

See you in April!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/22/2010 11:51 pm
on the SD bitrates, your posting post-HD removal (plus my close observations of the new signal this last mission with the HD channel in place) led me to think I should record my daily shuttle SD highlight streams from the media feed since they are given a little bit more bitrate than the public channel I normally use.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 02/23/2010 02:30 am
I thought the SD quality was markedly worse during this mission, even during static shots of the MCC.  There were sawtooth edges at times on diagonal lines, severe posterization, and mosquito noise on alphanumeric data in the tracking display.  It makes no sense to run redundant feeds on HQ1-3 during missions when they have the HD up.  They used to realize this and run a slate on HQ2, now they just don't care.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/05/2010 11:56 am
Here is the remaining HD material to close out the STS-130 mission - all in H264 AVC format.

Three of the four items will require rejoining using HJSPLIT (free) or other methods to make the two parts into one file.

STS-130 HD Launch replays - about 830MB in size and 22 minutes in length:

http://www.filefront.com/15736091/sts130-launch-engineering.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/15736661/sts130-launch-engineering.mp4.002/

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STS-130 HD landing replays - about 531MB in size and 14 minutes in length:

http://www.filefront.com/15736951/sts130-landing-engineering.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/15737417/sts130-landing-engineering.mp4.002/

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STS-130 Walkaround in HD - about 665MB in size and 18 minutes in length:

http://www.filefront.com/15743871/sts130-walkaround-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/15744351/sts130-walkaround-hd.mp4.002/

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STS-130 post-landing view into the cockpit windows in HD - about 177MB in size and 4 minutes in length:

http://www.filefront.com/15744817/sts130-looking-into-cockpit-postlanding-procedures-hd.mp4/




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/31/2010 06:29 pm
I've started monitoring the NASA TV multiplex to see when the HD service comes up.  Normally I wouldn't expect it until a day or two before launch, but since this launch is very early on Monday, maybe we'll see the HD service come up before the weekend.

For the record, here are the bitrates they are running at right now:

HQ1 =  8.67 Mbps
HQ2 =  9.47 Mbps
HQ3 = 10.34 Mbps
HQ4 =  8.49 Mbps

Obscenely high as always :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/01/2010 04:33 pm
Aaaaaand they're up!  The HQ5 / 105 HD feed came up at 11:59 am.

Bitrates are the same as last time:

HQ1 =  6.65 Mbps
HQ2 =  2.95 Mbps
HQ3 =  6.95 Mbps
HQ4 =  7.99 Mbps
HQ5 = 12.00 Mbps

Same satellite parameters slate as before; I'll post a screenshot later if I get time.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/01/2010 05:28 pm
Pad shot is up!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/02/2010 01:59 pm
I'm got my first look at it this morning at 9:45am, and they were running the astronaut interview packages (Stephanie was up at the time).  I have not been rolling my recording system on it yet (will later today) so I don't know what they've been doing up to now.  But I think this is the first time we've seen this kind of thing prior to launch coverage.  In the past they've stayed with the still pad shot until launch coverage starts.

Now they gone to the countdown status briefing.  No, wait, they had a briefing slate up, but are now running the Massimino packages instead.  Over on the SD services they have the briefing.  Ooookay :)   Well, it's nice to see these packages in HD.

Update 10:41am ET:  I'm rolling my recorder on it now and will be able to see what they fed from this point forward.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/03/2010 11:41 am
I'm got my first look at it this morning at 9:45am, and they were running the astronaut interview packages (Stephanie was up at the time).  I have not been rolling my recording system on it yet (will later today) so I don't know what they've been doing up to now.  But I think this is the first time we've seen this kind of thing prior to launch coverage.  In the past they've stayed with the still pad shot until launch coverage starts.

Now they gone to the countdown status briefing.  No, wait, they had a briefing slate up, but are now running the Massimino packages instead.  Over on the SD services they have the briefing.  Ooookay :)   Well, it's nice to see these packages in HD.

Update 10:41am ET:  I'm rolling my recorder on it now and will be able to see what they fed from this point forward.


Would be great if they ran the training B-Roll package (> 1hr in length) - so far it's only been broadcast on the SD channel.

This package and the Massimino ones- would be nice if they could be encoded for all of us to share. I know it's a lot of effort, though.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/04/2010 05:39 am
I'm super busy with personal tasks before leaving town in a few days.  So I just now caught up with the last day and a half of the HD feed.

All times Eastern.

Friday night:  they continued running packages until around 7:40pm, and then went to a static shot of the pad.  The floodlights weren't on yet, so there was just about nothing visible.  Dawn was beautiful though :)

Saturday: starting at 12noon they carried all three briefings in HD.  From 3:45pm to 12:45am they carried various training footage and all of the crew interviews.  I don't know dshaffer if they fed what you're talking about, but it's likely since they fed about 2 hours of material, plus the interviews.  Not sure if the Massimino/BTS footage was in there.  However I doubt anyone here was rolling on it (i.e. rsmath or lcs) because we haven't heard from them here yet.

Sunday:  after another beautiful sunrise over the pad, they started running packages and interviews at around 7:45am.  I bet we'll see that training footage again!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/04/2010 01:48 pm
I'm super busy with personal tasks before leaving town in a few days.  So I just now caught up with the last day and a half of the HD feed.

All times Eastern.

Friday night:  they continued running packages until around 7:40pm, and then went to a static shot of the pad.  The floodlights weren't on yet, so there was just about nothing visible.  Dawn was beautiful though :)

Saturday: starting at 12noon they carried all three briefings in HD.  From 3:45pm to 12:45am they carried various training footage and all of the crew interviews.  I don't know dshaffer if they fed what you're talking about, but it's likely since they fed about 2 hours of material, plus the interviews.  Not sure if the Massimino/BTS footage was in there.  However I doubt anyone here was rolling on it (i.e. rsmath or lcs) because we haven't heard from them here yet.

Sunday:  after another beautiful sunrise over the pad, they started running packages and interviews at around 7:45am.  I bet we'll see that training footage again!




Thanks for checking Chris.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/05/2010 01:15 am
They ping-ponged back and forth all day between interviews and training footage.

At 18:45 ET they went to the static pad shot and stayed there through sundown (very nice).

At 20:45 ET they starting the ET coverage, with HD shots when available.

I won't have screenshot capability until tomorrow, and even then I'll be buried in real work so likely not much then either.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/05/2010 10:59 am
The SpaceVidCast link I had in the FAQ still isn't running (says "off air").  I poked around and found the new URL and have updated the FAQ with it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/05/2010 05:27 pm
Since the post-launch briefing (which was carried in HD) they have been running the HD launch over and over, looping the 10 minutes from T-60s to T+9m.  Now we're talking!

Checking the SpaceVidCast feed, they are feeding just the SD again, and the HD feed that you get from following the direct URL in my FAQ is in black.  Even though NASA is still feeding HD.  I guess they only run it for live events, saving on bandwidth costs.  Or maybe they only have one receiver and it's either on the SD service or on the HD service.  Anyway, enough wondering about them.  I'll take my direct C-band feed, please, thank you :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 04/05/2010 05:32 pm
Since the post-launch briefing (which was carried in HD) they have been running the HD launch over and over.  Now we're talking!

You wouldn't happen to have a spare dish and some land, would you? :)

(Looking forward to seeing the launch coverage in HD at some point.)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/05/2010 05:35 pm
Once again HDNet did phenomenal... I hated the fact that we only had 2 minutes of audio, but at least it was the +/- 1 minute around launch. No real need to watch the static shot in HD so I switched over until then.

Replays were pretty soon after, including the whiteroom which I still haven't seen from NASA. And they finish with a 4-panel from the primary views. Good mix of NASA packages in for the "general public" although Greg Dobbs puts on a little too much "news anchor" voice for me.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/06/2010 02:21 am
Once again HDNet did phenomenal...

wow, you must have low standards!

I watched HDNET for the first time last night and was unimpressed.  It's pretty sad when the astronaut analyst is better on-air than Dobbs, who supposedly shows up to all the briefings and asks questions during them.

I can't even believe Dobbs led viewers to think the ET tank on ascent had lights on it when in fact it was illuminated due to orbital sunrise and daylight, not artificial lights or plasma type lighting.

The noise during launch was weird with the crashes and creakings.  I bet that might be attributable to a mic at the pad that was hit by debris during launch because I'm not convinced a shuttle launch would sound like that if one was allowed to watch from the pad perimeter.

btw, I haven't watched the NASA recording yet to see the NASA commentator made the orbital sunrise during launch remark.

After watching HDNET, I'm thankful for NASA's expert and more complete launch commentators.

btw, I processed NASA HD launch and launch engineering while I slept.  I"ll have link when I can finish uploading to filefront.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/06/2010 03:03 am
Once again HDNet did phenomenal...

wow, you must have low standards!

What impresses me is HD. NASA did not have it, HDNET did. End of story ;)

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I watched HDNET for the first time last night and was unimpressed.

No way would any NSF user be watching their full launch coverage, Mr. Dobbs really doesn't know much about space nor add any value to it. I'm just saying that given the choice between SD (NTV) and HD (HDNet) that a majority of people have -- HDNet is better than NASA TV for launch and replays.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/06/2010 09:54 pm
Just FYI, starting now I am away from my usual monitoring assets so won't be able to report on what's been fed, and in fact will barely be able to keep up with the mission or anything else (like Falcon 9 coverage).  I'm back on April 16th.  Have fun and encode some HD for me :)

One last check of the HD service before I go.  They have continued to run the 10 minute long launch sequence over and over, including overnight!  That's a first.  Has NASA finally got the playout hardware to loop HD content autonomously?!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/07/2010 01:00 pm

STS-131 HD launch and launch replays (no shortening of the camera title slates like I usually do).

The launch file is in one piece:

http://www.filefront.com/16042979/sts131-launch-040510-hd.mp4/

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Use HJSPLIT (free software) or DOS copy command to join the 3 pieces of the launch replays file.

http://www.filefront.com/16051579/sts131-launch-eng-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16052131/sts131-launch-eng-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16052553/sts131-launch-eng-hd.mp4.003/


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FD3 HD highlights to come later today if NASA is able to provide them.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/08/2010 12:13 am
Is someone able to confirm no FD3 HD highlights?  My recording was only the launch and launch replays at the time FD3 HD was supposed to feed if available.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/08/2010 01:26 pm
Is someone able to confirm no FD3 HD highlights?  My recording was only the launch and launch replays at the time FD3 HD was supposed to feed if available.




No FD3 downlink because inspection video file transfer took all ISS Ku bandwidth.
However, ISS MPC scheduled this morning to downlink HD of ET Handheld video recorded on FD-1.
Whether this shows up on the NASA HD Channel Highlights package is another question.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/08/2010 09:54 pm
Is someone able to confirm no FD3 HD highlights?  My recording was only the launch and launch replays at the time FD3 HD was supposed to feed if available.




No FD3 downlink because inspection video file transfer took all ISS Ku bandwidth.
However, ISS MPC scheduled this morning to downlink HD of ET Handheld video recorded on FD-1.
Whether this shows up on the NASA HD Channel Highlights package is another question.



Update - excellent HD of ET video was downlinked via ISS MPC before crew sleep- approx 10 mins. Crew also said to expec more HD tomorrow (after EVA) before crew sleep.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/09/2010 01:15 pm
Is someone able to confirm no FD3 HD highlights?  My recording was only the launch and launch replays at the time FD3 HD was supposed to feed if available.





No FD3 downlink because inspection video file transfer took all ISS Ku bandwidth.
However, ISS MPC scheduled this morning to downlink HD of ET Handheld video recorded on FD-1.
Whether this shows up on the NASA HD Channel Highlights package is another question.



Update - excellent HD of ET video was downlinked via ISS MPC before crew sleep- approx 10 mins. Crew also said to expec more HD tomorrow (after EVA) before crew sleep.

Crew will downlink approx 20 minutes of HD Crew Choice FD Highlights via ISS MPC at approx 14:15 GMT - this should show up on the NASA HD Channel later (hopefully).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/10/2010 05:35 pm
Crew downlinked approx 8 minutes of HD FD 6 HD Crew Choice this morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/11/2010 05:26 pm
Crew downlinked 14 min of FD7 HD Crew Choice before sleep.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/12/2010 12:13 pm
FD 5 and FD 7 were sent in HD - I"m working on getting those uploaded to filefront as we speak and I'll have the links when ready.

I'm also encoding some of the extra stuff (crew training, photo shoot, Mass's Behind the Scenes segments in HD) and I"ll make that available eventually.  I'm giving FD HD and landing HD priority but I"ll try to work those other items in.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/12/2010 12:47 pm
FD 5 and FD 7 were sent in HD - I"m working on getting those uploaded to filefront as we speak and I'll have the links when ready.

I'm also encoding some of the extra stuff (crew training, photo shoot, Mass's Behind the Scenes segments in HD) and I"ll make that available eventually.  I'm giving FD HD and landing HD priority but I"ll try to work those other items in.





Thanks so much - looking forward to it!

p.s. did you catch FD6 as well?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/12/2010 01:01 pm
I haven't seen FD HD feeds for FD2, 3, 4, and 6.  8 is TBD since it should feed later today if it's available.

I'll keep checking in case they feed those MIA ones at a later date during the mission.

btw, NASA HD cool this morning - they had a programming slate up with times and what items they were going to feed at those times.  that's a first.  I just wish they'd put it up on their website so the latest schedule is just one bookmark click away.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/12/2010 01:29 pm
I haven't seen FD HD feeds for FD2, 3, 4, and 6.  8 is TBD since it should feed later today if it's available.

I'll keep checking in case they feed those MIA ones at a later date during the mission.

btw, NASA HD cool this morning - they had a programming slate up with times and what items they were going to feed at those times.  that's a first.  I just wish they'd put it up on their website so the latest schedule is just one bookmark click away.



Thanks Robert, btw FD 8 Crew Choice HD downlink is scheduled to occur anytime within the following MPC downlink opportunities (all times are GMT):

- 15:25 hrs GMT
- 16:38
- 17:22
- 18:19

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/12/2010 01:49 pm

Thanks Robert, btw FD 8 Crew Choice HD downlink is scheduled to occur anytime within the following MPC downlink opportunities (all times are GMT):

- 15:25 hrs GMT
- 16:38
- 17:22
- 18:19



That doesn't mean much.  Someone at NASA has to turn it around on the HD stream since there is no direct access or turnaround to anything fed through the MPC.  I wish I could receive TDRSS stuff directly - I can see the AOR bird, but I don't have the right frequency low noise amps or the program to parse out video/audio from telemetry in the stream.

The question for FD HD is if someone will turn that around on the HD channel today or if it'll just be more HD material that only sees the inside of the  JSC complex. 



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/12/2010 02:00 pm

Thanks Robert, btw FD 8 Crew Choice HD downlink is scheduled to occur anytime within the following MPC downlink opportunities (all times are GMT):

- 15:25 hrs GMT
- 16:38
- 17:22
- 18:19



That doesn't mean much.  Someone at NASA has to turn it around on the HD stream since there is no direct access or turnaround to anything fed through the MPC.  I wish I could receive TDRSS stuff directly - I can see the AOR bird, but I don't have the right frequency low noise amps or the program to parse out video/audio from telemetry in the stream.

The question for FD HD is if someone will turn that around on the HD channel today or if it'll just be more HD material that only sees the inside of the  JSC complex. 





You're right of course, but at least we know they plan on downlinking it - sometimes they don't bother.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 04/12/2010 09:06 pm
The FD5 HD they are feeding this afternoon is very clean, the best HD I've seen from ISS.  Very few damaged pixels, did they bring up a new camera?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/12/2010 10:16 pm
NASA Flight Day Highlights in HD, days 5 and 7.  there are no FD 2, 3, 4, 6 HD feeds available to-date.

H264 format, and each day is between 500-800 MB in size.

With FD 5, you can use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to join the 2 parts into one file.


http://www.filefront.com/16088997/sts131-fd5-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16089729/sts131-fd5-hd.mp4.002/

FD 7:

http://www.filefront.com/16102443/sts131-fd7-hd.mp4/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/13/2010 05:31 pm
Crew is now downlinking their FD 9 HD Crew Choice video (there was no FD 8 downlink).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/14/2010 01:02 pm
NASA fed Flight Day 6 highlights in HD.

The two parts can be joined with HJSPLIT (free) or other programs/methods to make one file.

H264 format.

http://www.filefront.com/16112039/sts131-fd6-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16119357/sts131-fd6-hd.mp4.002/

I should have FD9 HD links later today if all goes well.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/15/2010 11:03 am
STS-131 FD9 HD Highlights

H264 format, about 500MB in filesize.

http://www.filefront.com/16127673/sts131-fd9-hd.mp4/

There appear to be no FD8 or FD10 HD highlights, at least NASA has not fed them yet.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/15/2010 12:09 pm
STS-131 FD9 HD Highlights

H264 format, about 500MB in filesize.

http://www.filefront.com/16127673/sts131-fd9-hd.mp4/

There appear to be no FD8 or FD10 HD highlights, at least NASA has not fed them yet.



Thanks for the FD 9 Highlights - there was no FD8 and FD10 Crew Choice Downlink from ISS.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/16/2010 02:44 am
was there a FD11 HD downlink to JSC?

All I"m getting at the NASA HD feed times is Obama's speech and no FD11 HD highlights.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/16/2010 11:46 am
was there a FD11 HD downlink to JSC?

All I"m getting at the NASA HD feed times is Obama's speech and no FD11 HD highlights.



No FD 11 HD downlinks because of long MPLM unberth delay.

FYI - FD 12 HD Crew Choice downlink opportunities (3) have been given to crew - we'll have to wait and see if they use them.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/17/2010 05:01 am
Howdy, I'm back from vacation, and somewhat reconnected with my usual monitoring assets.  I'll be completely back online on Monday.

btw, NASA HD cool this morning - they had a programming slate up with times and what items they were going to feed at those times.  that's a first.

Yes, that's great!  That'll be a huge help not just for you and your encode captures, but media organizations too.

Reviewing the last 24 hours (which is as far back as I can go), they looped the Obama/panel video all day until 16:20 ET, with a short (~10 minute) highlight package in there, looked like EVA3 day from the 2 thumbnails I see.

Then they started looping Obama, panel, pre-flight crew interviews, and a full hour of FD highlights.  It looks like it started with a long run on FD6 (WORF and Express 7 transfer).  Then an EVA day followed, I'm guessing FD7, but might be FD9; I'm not familiar enough with the ATA truss locations on this mission to know which was which by looking at the video, and there wasn't any audio commentary; anyway, I'm sure you all would recognize it by now.  Then a very brief FD9 slate followed by transfer activity (including crowded MPLM) and various EVA3 activities.  Several interesting views of the various exercise machine modes in action throughout this hour.  Worth staying up this late to watch "live" :)  Now they've started running the crew training reel (starting with the photo op) which the slate claims is 1h45m long ...

And that's what still running now.  I'm happy to see that this is continuing overnight, implying automated server playback capability (or overnight staffing).  My fingers are crossed that this will even continue after the mission is over, and we will at long last (gasp!) finally have our 24-7 NASA HD and can start pestering the cable/DBS providers for carriage.  But that step remains a week away -- we'll see if they keep this up after landing.  Every mission up to

I'm looking forward to catching up with the HD highlights that I missed.  Thanks rsmath for the encodes, and dshaffer for the downlink updates.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/17/2010 05:27 am

FYI - FD 12 HD Crew Choice downlink opportunities (3) have been given to crew - we'll have to wait and see if they use them.

looks like no FD12 HD highlights - I keep recording Obama speech.

Isn't there a shuttle mission going on?  ;)

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/17/2010 12:04 pm

FYI - FD 12 HD Crew Choice downlink opportunities (3) have been given to crew - we'll have to wait and see if they use them.

looks like no FD12 HD highlights - I keep recording Obama speech.

Isn't there a shuttle mission going on?  ;)



No FD12 downlink because ISS Ku bandwith fully used for Shuttle late Inspection Video file download to ground - off shoot of the Shuttle's Ku band failure.

There's always a chance that ISS crew will record and downlink HD video of Shuttle undocking/flyaround video - wouldn't count on it though!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/17/2010 12:41 pm

FYI - FD 12 HD Crew Choice downlink opportunities (3) have been given to crew - we'll have to wait and see if they use them.

looks like no FD12 HD highlights - I keep recording Obama speech.

Isn't there a shuttle mission going on?  ;)



No FD12 downlink because ISS Ku bandwith fully used for Shuttle late Inspection Video file download to ground - off shoot of the Shuttle's Ku band failure.

There's always a chance that ISS crew will record and downlink HD video of Shuttle undocking/flyaround video - wouldn't count on it though!

Well.....my mistake...they downlinked approx 8 min of FD12 HD Crew Choice after crew wakeup today - so hopefully this will show up in todays HD Highlights package - or when they replay FD Highlights.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/17/2010 12:55 pm
I'll try to keep my eye on the HD channel through the weekend and see if they sneak in that "FD12" HD material.  There is no scheduled HD feed until landing (if KSC), but NASA has been known to catch up at unexpected times (such as sneaking in the FD6 HD highlights material a few days after the scheduled feed time).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/18/2010 04:32 am
Report on activity for Saturday April 17th:

They continued with the mix of FD highlights, crew training, Obama/panel, all night and day.

At around 17:07 ET they went to just highlights; I'm not sure what but they had definitely stopped the carousel.  I did catch a "FD 12" slate at one point (at 19:24 ET), so that's in there and I think it's about 20 minutes long.  I'll get a closer look on Monday if you haven't caught it yourself by then.

At around 19:48 ET they started running just the Obama speech over and over.  In between each run of the speech, they ran a very short HD highlight, looks like Dottie doing acrobatics in ISS; 5 minutes max length.  And it looks like they are continuing with that 40m+5m loop overnight.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/18/2010 12:37 pm
NASA has fed FD 12 highlights in HD.

H264 format, about 334MB in size.  Short and sweet 8 minutes or so.

http://www.filefront.com/16160023/sts131-fd12-hd.mp4/

Last HD scheduled event for this mission is the landing if it happens at KSC.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/19/2010 04:52 am
Report on activity for Sunday April 18th:

Overnight they played Obama, panel, and a short FD highlight clip, possibly the 8-minute FD12 that rsmath posted above, not sure yet.  Looped over and over all night and through the day.

From ~18:30 to 19:35 ET they ran a series of highlights, including some EVA activity so clearly in the past.  There may have been some new stuff in there but I doubt it.

Then they ran the long Dottie interview followed by the long Stephanie interview.  Then about 12 minutes of highlights, then Obama, then panel, then highlights ... And so forth, ping-ponging around their latest material.  Again, fine with me, better than a slate :)

Looking forward to the landing coverage and seeing if they keep the HD feed up!  If not, I hope they at least run all of the FD highlights back to back, like they did in the last mission, before shutting it down.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/19/2010 04:57 am
and a short FD highlight clip, possibly the 8-minute FD12 that rsmath posted above, not sure yet. 


which version of the FD 12 HD highlights?  ;)

In my 2 hours of capture saturday, I came across the FD12 HD highlights three times and all versions  were different.  The version I processed/posted was the longest and most complete one of the three - thus why I chose that one.  The one that ended with the NASA meatball was missing the handshakes that was at the end of my posted version.  There was a third one that got cut off short and was missing some of the scenes.

I don't know if the third one that got cut off short was due to the clip being that way or the automation program messed up and ended it too early and fired the Obama speech replay.

I hope if the HD stays up after the mission that NASA will rotate in HD from past missions, because I"m getting sick of seeing Obama in my recordings.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/19/2010 10:01 pm
More of the same today.  Lots of Obama and panel, lots of FD12 highlights replays, at least one run of FD6.  Been buried with work.  I do have the HD files downloaded though, thanks rsmath for your efforts.

The only FD12 highlights I've seen so far contain:
- Stephanie at the robotics workstation
- shuttle flight deck with Dottie, Dutton and Stephanie
- views out ISS windows
- shuttle middeck with various crew
- Dottie tumbling momentum demo
- shuttle middeck with various crew
- crew meal in Node 1
- Dex mission decal application
and is the same as what's in the FD12 file you provided above.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/20/2010 03:46 pm
Same material overnight; in between feeds of the Obama/panel footage they mostly ran the short FD12 package but I did see some EVA shots in there so possibly they re-fed the earlier days.  Not much though, 95% of it was Obama/panel/FD12.

At 8:30am they switched to HD landing coverage at KSC, staying on the tower cam until she got close.  It had PAO commentary audio but none of the SD material (e.g. ground track display) that they had on the SD channel.  Same as last time.  HD coverage of launch has improved to the point where they show all the shots (including SD) and basically follow the SD coverage; I'm hoping that they will soon be able to offer this with landing coverage too.

They're in the post-landing briefing now, and when that's over we'll see what they do with the HD feed.  Hopefully they'll keep it up and refeed things, but in the past they've dropped to slate right after the news conference and dropped the service altogether shortly thereafter.  For STS-130 they kept the HD slate up for a day before dropping service.

Update 12:10pm: after the briefing they went back to the runway for about 10 minutes, and are now showing our old friend, the pad 39A shot.  Ooooh, I wonder if we'll get HD coverage of the Atlantis rollout to pad?  That would be a first, I think!  That rollout is scheduled to start at 6pm.

Update 4:30pm:  they switched to some screwed up color bars for about 10 minutes, and now are running a standard def mission highlights package.  I see SD video with black pillar bars, and an HD NASA logo in the extreme upper right corner of the HD frame.  It includes some of the inside footage shot by the crew, but in SD.  Well, it's content, but not really what I had in mind :)

Update 5:26pm:  after the SD mission highlights video finished, they had green screen up, and now they are showing HD replay of the landing, starting about 5 minutes before touchdown, with SD shots mixed in and with PAO audio and comms, and ending about 5 minutes after touchdown.  After that they ran the camera replays, and then the post-landing briefing.

And now they're doing it again.  Looks like they'll be looping the following overnight:
- SD mission highlights
- landing coverage
- landing replays
- post-landing briefing

I'm still hoping for Atlantis rollout coverage in the morning.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/21/2010 01:22 pm
STS-131 Landing in HD - H264 format, about 700 MB in size.

You can use HJSPLIT (free) or other methods/software to combine
these two pieces into a single video file.


http://www.filefront.com/16188933/sts131-landing-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16190015/sts131-landing-hd.mp4.002/


Sorry that I didn't get the crew walkaround in HD as I gambled a timer recording event to capture the KSC engineering feed and it paid off as I got footage in SD of towing Discovery from the SLF to putting the orbiter to bed in the OPF.

I plan to post some training videos in HD in the near future, as soon as I finish uplinking the landing replay HD material.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/21/2010 01:23 pm
I take it NASA didn't post any earth day HD earth views?  I didn't monitor the HD feed today as I was processing the landing material.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 04/21/2010 01:53 pm
STS-131 Landing in HD - H264 format, about 700 MB in size.

You can use HJSPLIT (free) or other methods/software to combine
these two pieces into a single video file.


http://www.filefront.com/16188933/sts131-landing-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16190015/sts131-landing-hd.mp4.002/


Sorry that I didn't get the crew walkaround in HD as I gambled a timer recording event to capture the KSC engineering feed and it paid off as I got footage in SD of towing Discovery from the SLF to putting the orbiter to bed in the OPF.

I plan to post some training videos in HD in the near future, as soon as I finish uplinking the landing replay HD material.




Thanks again - looking forwarrd to the HD Training Video!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/21/2010 04:20 pm
They did indeed continue to run the 2-hour loop of material I described above all night, and are still running it now.

No earth views seen, and no mention of anything like that on their "breaking news" TV schedule.  The one time they did it in April 2008 was indeed stunning:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg270176#msg270176
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg271434#msg271434
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/22/2010 02:29 pm
STS-131 Landing Replays in HD.  About 1070MB in size.

use HJSPLIT (or other methods) to combine the two parts into one file.

I didn't trim slates between camera replays and I left some SD surce material (namely the runway edge replays) in the file rather than deleting all SD camera sourced material.

http://www.filefront.com/16197617/sts131-landing-replays-HD.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16198445/sts131-landing-replays-HD.mp4.002/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/22/2010 03:11 pm
Update on the last 24 hours:

They continued with the above described loop of material all day Thursday.  At 15:29 they jumped out to the static pad shot, with tone, and pretty much stayed there until 17:27 when they jumped back in, in the middle of landing camera replays.  And then they resumed the loop.

At 23:40 they jumped over to Atlantis rollout coverage!  Started with a live shot of the stack rolling out of the VAB, and continued with multiple HD cameras, both tower and roving crawlerway, all in HD,  At around 01:45 it was getting out of range of the VAB-area spotlights and they shut down the lights and stopped coverage.  No audio that I heard but there might have been some on the SD side.

At 01:51 they set up the pad shot (waiting for Atlantis) and actually panned over and zoomed in and showed the MOON for 10 minutes.

At around 02:04 they went back into the loop, and they remain there now.  For 05:49-05:54 they cut to the pad shot, showing Atlantis now on the pad, but otherwise it was the four packages getting looped as described.

Knock on wood, but it's looking very good for a possible 24-7 HD service!

Screenshots below.  Sorry about PNG on the first two -- I have a new computer and hadn't corrected that default pref in VLC yet.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/22/2010 03:17 pm

I wasn't rolling to capture the rollout start in HD.

if you feel like sending me the relevant portion of that recording sometime, I'll mux out the HD and process the bitrate to 6 MBPS and send it back to you finished.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/23/2010 03:04 pm
The HD service dropped at 6:52am this morning.  Shortly thereafter they reallocated the bitrates to the following:

HQ1 =  8.67 Mbps
HQ2 =  9.47 Mbps
HQ3 = 10.35 Mbps
HQ4 =  8.49 Mbps

Damn.  I was really hoping they'd keep it up.  Even feeding the same stuff over and over would be fine, as that would be getting us that one incremental step closer to the promised land of a 24-7 HD service with all of the accumulated HD material playing in it.  And then we could start pestering the cable/DBS providers for carriage.

I'll note that they never did do an end-of-mission replay of all the FD highlights in HD, like they did for STS-130.  They really should have been running that for the last few days, instead of just the 2 hours that they had looping.  Perhaps they had a playout server capacity limitation.  Well, on this mission we got overnight looping playout, which I believe is a first, so we did advance the ball a little bit more this time through.

And again, in my professional opinion the HD service looks pretty bad at 12 Mbps.  Yes, it's pretty, but by broadcast distribution standards it's rotten.  For the umpteenth time, they need to scale the SD bitrates down to 5-6 Mbps (plenty for MPEG2 SD) and push HD up to 15 Mbps minimum.  Nobody in the industry is running their distribution SDs that high, and at those high rates you're far into the diminishing-returns long tail.

:(

See you in May.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/29/2010 03:03 pm

I think the day of a fulltime NASA HD channel is approaching.  In a DBS-related forum, someone posted that NASA HD is launching fulltime in June 2010 and asked if the DBS provider would be carrying it.

I don't know where the info came from since I can't find another source to verify that info, but if true it won't be long before the 24/7 NASA HD feed launches.

It's definitely obvious NASA is heading in the right direction since they've installed a server or automated playback setup that we saw used during the STS-131 mission to do replays of various STS-131 related material.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/29/2010 03:13 pm
It's the same person (non-NASA) reposting that in many DBS talk forums... Given the lack of an announcement from NASA, and the lack of much HD material they have, I'd be surprised.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/29/2010 03:44 pm
Funny, I was just checking in on this thread for the first time in a week ...

Based only on what we've seen here (and logged here!), I'd say they have plenty of HD material.  Most of it isn't very polished or timely, old FD highlights and the like, but there's also things like the Earth Day views, restored Apollo footage, and even old countdown coverage that they easily could fill up 48 hours with.  If I were to count it all up I think I might even get closer to a full week (168  hours).  And that's just HD -- they could easily put in some SD-upconverted and pillar-boxed filler.

The constraint is more likely server playout ... a 72-hour playout server is an expensive beast indeed.  Plus the staffing to feed the beast.

Anyway, I do agree that we haven't heard a peep from anyone at NASA so it would be a surprise.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/01/2010 05:22 pm
Some STS-131 training footage in HD.  H264 format, about 1800 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (or other programs/methods) to combine the 4 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16216107/sts131-crew-training-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16217121/sts131-crew-training-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16226201/sts131-crew-training-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/16226869/sts131-crew-training-hd.mp4.004/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/01/2010 05:25 pm
STS-131 Crew Photo Shoot Day HD footage.  About 540MB in size, H264 format.

http://www.filefront.com/16228043/sts131-crew-photo-hd.mp4/

what do you want to bet they had more fun in this photo session than they did when they were kids at school photo day!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: I14R10 on 05/03/2010 08:13 am
Thanks rsmath for all your HD videos.  :) They are great
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/04/2010 03:07 pm

STS-131 Behind the Scenes Parts 1-4 in HD.  H264 format, about 1800 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free) or other methods/software to combine the 4 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16244521/sts131-behind-the-scenes-ep1-4-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16245439/sts131-behind-the-scenes-ep1-4-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16247083/sts131-behind-the-scenes-ep1-4-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/16256695/sts131-behind-the-scenes-ep1-4-hd.mp4.004/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/04/2010 03:09 pm

STS-131 Behind the Scenes Part 5 in HD.  H264 format.

http://www.filefront.com/16230527/sts131-behind-the-scenes-ep5.mp4/

and that concludes all the STS-131 material I have available to post.

See you for STS-132!!!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/11/2010 06:37 pm
Over in the processing thread, it was reported:

And, if NASA keeps it up, we may all be in for a treat for launch!  They're currently running their HD feed in a standard definition format -- much cleaner picture for launch countdown ops!

(see that post for a screenshot)

Just to be clear, he was apparently talking about them feeding the briefing as 16:9 letterboxed in the 4:3 SD frame.  Perhaps it's a little cleaner and you get the wider framing, but you then have the tradeoff that everything's a little smaller (effectively lower resolution).  Anyway, the HD service wasn't up then, is not up now, but based on recent experience I do expect it to come up Wed or Thu.

After today, I will be in Florida for this launch and won't be able to post here about what's going on with the HD feed.  I'll resume posting when I get back, a couple days after launch.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/11/2010 06:47 pm
Just to be clear, he was apparently talking about them feeding the briefing as 16:9 letterboxed in the 4:3 SD frame.  Perhaps it's a little cleaner and you get the wider framing, but you then have the tradeoff that everything's a little smaller (effectively lower resolution).  Anyway, the HD service wasn't up then, is not up now, but based on recent experience I do expect it to come up Wed or Thu.
Not sure how the live pad shot going out the Public Channel is being relayed (as with yesterday, the live shot from the west-facing pad perimeter site is filling gaps between programming on the schedule), but during the live event this morning it was letterboxed.  Before and after the briefing it fills the 4:3 SD aspect ratio.

Most of the recent KSC live events broadcast on "Public" have been letterboxed up through this morning's countdown briefing.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/12/2010 09:50 pm
AMC-3 dropped its signal around 5:28 pm ET.  Nothing on any transponder.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/12/2010 09:56 pm
AMC-3 dropped its signal around 5:28 pm ET.  Nothing on any transponder.
Just got something back, without the meatball watermark.

(Replay of the Post FRR briefing last week.)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/12/2010 10:01 pm
Definitely still having problems...replay hiccup.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/12/2010 10:02 pm
AMC-3 dropped its signal around 5:28 pm ET.  Nothing on any transponder.
Just got something back, without the meatball watermark.

(Replay of the Post FRR briefing last week.)


AMC-3 was not down.  The problem was thunderstorms moving through the Greenbelt, Md. area where Goddard uplinks their signal.  Should clear up in a few minutes.  NASA website is streaming. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/12/2010 10:05 pm
AMC-3 dropped its signal around 5:28 pm ET.  Nothing on any transponder.
Just got something back, without the meatball watermark.

(Replay of the Post FRR briefing last week.)


AMC-3 was not down.  The problem was thunderstorms moving through the Greenbelt, Md. area where Goddard uplinks their signal.  Should clear up in a few minutes.  NASA website is streaming. 
Ah -- guess it's time to start keeping an eye on things like that again.  Looks like the feed from Goddard just came back.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/13/2010 02:27 am
The HD service is up.  Don't know when, but it's up now with a slate.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/13/2010 02:44 pm
Looks like there's still a few hiccups with NASA TV this morning, but they seem to be only a few seconds long...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 05/13/2010 10:37 pm
May or may not be the appropriate thread - but can anyone tell me how to stream a RTMP link?  Not publish, but I have the RTMP link and need to play it in a video player standalone from my browser's embedded player.  Any of the other mods can move this as they see fit.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/14/2010 08:44 am
May or may not be the appropriate thread - but can anyone tell me how to stream a RTMP link?  Not publish, but I have the RTMP link and need to play it in a video player standalone from my browser's embedded player.  Any of the other mods can move this as they see fit.

for flash streams JW player

http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player-setup-wizard
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: wally on 05/14/2010 10:20 am
Is somewhere out there a NASA HD stream of some kind? (Flash, real player, etc). I don't live in US and I think it's impossible for me to receive the stream from AMC-3. Maybe someone is broadcasting it over the internet?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/14/2010 11:20 am
Is somewhere out there a NASA HD stream of some kind? (Flash, real player, etc). I don't live in US and I think it's impossible for me to receive the stream from AMC-3. Maybe someone is broadcasting it over the internet?

http://www.spacevidcast.com/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 05/15/2010 12:11 am
AMC-3 was not down.  The problem was thunderstorms moving through the Greenbelt, Md. area where Goddard uplinks their signal.  Should clear up in a few minutes.  NASA website is streaming. 
Might have lucked out tonight (at least for now)...storms moving through the D.C. area right now just south of Greenbelt...folks on the Mall might be taking a shower, though.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/15/2010 12:18 am
I'm seeing periodic dropouts on HQ3, still there as of now, though. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 05/15/2010 02:51 am
Another round of kudos to HDNET... Their cameras are incredible - and nothing beats watching the launch from the whiteroom! Fortunately the mute button is handy, but the commentator stays quiet for +/- two minutes around launch.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/15/2010 04:25 am
Just to be clear, he was apparently talking about them feeding the briefing as 16:9 letterboxed in the 4:3 SD frame.  Perhaps it's a little cleaner and you get the wider framing, but you then have the tradeoff that everything's a little smaller (effectively lower resolution). 

SD from HD material is definitely clearer because you start with a higher resolution source and convert it to SD resolution (rather than SD to HD where you have to make up pixels to get HD).

That's why if I have to watch something in SD, I prefer that it was processed from a HD source.

HD files being processed as I speak, I'll have links when I'm able to get things done and uploaded to filefront.






Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/15/2010 12:07 pm
Just to be clear, he was apparently talking about them feeding the briefing as 16:9 letterboxed in the 4:3 SD frame.  Perhaps it's a little cleaner and you get the wider framing, but you then have the tradeoff that everything's a little smaller (effectively lower resolution). 

SD from HD material is definitely clearer because you start with a higher resolution source and convert it to SD resolution (rather than SD to HD where you have to make up pixels to get HD).

That's why if I have to watch something in SD, I prefer that it was processed from a HD source.

HD files being processed as I speak, I'll have links when I'm able to get things done and uploaded to filefront.








FYI - Crew downlinked approx 3 min of HD video of ET and approx 10 min of FD1 HD Crew Choice, but only first 1.5 min was shown on NASA TV SD channel, as the remainder was too "raw" for public broadcast.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/15/2010 01:53 pm
Is somewhere out there a NASA HD stream of some kind? (Flash, real player, etc). I don't live in US and I think it's impossible for me to receive the stream from AMC-3. Maybe someone is broadcasting it over the internet?

Reminder:  I maintain a FAQ for this thread.  That's question #1.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg536292#msg536292

and linked in my sig below.

I'll be back home on Sunday night and will start logging what's getting fed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/15/2010 10:06 pm
Crew sent down 15 min of FD 2 HD Crew Choice - very entertaining stuff. Hope this shows up on the HD channel sometime during the mission.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/16/2010 11:35 pm

STS-132 launch in HD.  H264 format, about 687MB.

Use HJSPLIT (free) or other methods to join the two parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16455213/sts132-launch-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16455681/sts132-launch-hd.mp4.002/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/16/2010 11:37 pm

STS-132 Launch Replays in HD.  H264 format, about 1282 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free) or other methods to combine the three parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16458145/sts132-launch-enginnering-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16459209/sts132-launch-enginnering-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16463383/sts132-launch-enginnering-hd.mp4.003/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/17/2010 03:46 am
It appears there is no FD3 HD highlights.  The same ol' loop was playing when the schedule said there should have been FD3 HD highlights if available.

I'll record a couple of hours during the replay window as listed in the schedule and see if anything shows up...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/17/2010 03:55 am
Sat May 15th

They played the launch, briefing and some training and interview highlights, looped over and over, all day and night.

Sun May 16th

Loop as above continued all day.

So, I haven't yet seen the FD2 highlights that dshaffer reported Saturday night.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/17/2010 05:41 pm
It appears there is no FD3 HD highlights.  The same ol' loop was playing when the schedule said there should have been FD3 HD highlights if available.

I'll record a couple of hours during the replay window as listed in the schedule and see if anything shows up...

FD3 HD Crew Choice wasn't downlinked on FD3 because day ran long. Hopefully they will be downlinked at some point during the flight.

Don't know why they haven't shown FD2 HD Crew Choice on the HD channel yet.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/18/2010 04:43 am
Mon May 17th

Same material looping, with a little variation here and there, all day long.  No FD highlights seen.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/18/2010 12:13 pm
Mon May 17th

Same material looping, with a little variation here and there, all day long.  No FD highlights seen.


No FD3 and FD4 HD Crew Choice downlink because both days ran very long - hopefully the downlinks will be done during the mission - maybe even on FD5 (today)?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/18/2010 10:16 pm
Tue May 18th

Same material looping, with a little variation here and there, all day long.  No FD highlights seen until 22:54 per below.

They're now including the Atlantis history retrospective in the loop, as well as that new high-fidelity CGI of the planned on-orbit activities, which I keep thinking are FD highlights at first during my high-speed scans, because I'll see guys floating around, outside footage, etc.

At 22:54 they ran the FD5 highlights for the first time:
- Antonelli and Ham on the flight deck working robotics
- Good in middeck with water bags
- Soichi and Creamer in Destiny with science experiment
- Riesman in Cupola at robitics console
- Caldwell-Dyson in Kibo
- views out the Cupola of Mexico(?)
- Sellers in middeck

7.5 minutes total length.  After that first run, they started including it in the sequence of looped repeats, in between launch, briefings, training, etc.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/19/2010 12:15 pm
STS-132 FD5 HD Highlights.  H264 format, about 324 MB in size and 8 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/16487115/sts132-fd5-hd.mp4

So far, no FD1, 2, 3 or 4 HD highlights have been fed over satellite.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/19/2010 03:05 pm
I think John44 posted his copy of the FD5 HD highlights, in flash viewer format, before rsmath posted his files here at 8:15am ET this morning.  John44, how did you get your copy?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/19/2010 08:19 pm
I think John44 posted his copy of the FD5 HD highlights, in flash viewer format, before rsmath posted his files here at 8:15am ET this morning.  John44, how did you get your copy?


I wonder if he got it from Youtube where I think NASA posts some HD files or maybe even that streaming video link I've heard about on the net that feeds NASA TV HD but isn't in HD resolution.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 05/19/2010 10:00 pm
Are you sure the stream is not HD resolution? It looks MUCH better than any other NTV feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/19/2010 10:00 pm
Crew just downlinked 7 min of FD6 HD Crew Choice.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 05/19/2010 10:16 pm
Are you sure the stream is not HD resolution? It looks MUCH better than any other NTV feed.

Are you guys talking about SpaceVidcast?  They're the only ones that are publicly known to stream NASA TV HD.  Anywhere else, a source would be nice!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/20/2010 02:05 am
Are you sure the stream is not HD resolution? It looks MUCH better than any other NTV feed.

I personally haven't looked at it, but I thought I saw some postings on this site that the video stream wasn't truly HD specs.

I should go check out that HD stream and see what resolution/bitrate they use.

I did look at youtube today and the NASA FD5 HD video is only about 2 mbps, short of what I post here (6mbps) or what can be had directly from the NASA TV HD distribution feed (around 12 mbps).





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/20/2010 04:00 pm
Sorry for the delay, been busy!  Will try to get a first look at today's feeds by 6pm tonight.

Wed May 19th

Same material looping, with a little variation here and there, all day long.  No new FD highlights seen until 22:00 per below.

At 22:00 they ran the FD6 highlights for the first time:
- Riesman operating camera the whole time (and providing color)
- Ham opening airlock after EVA2 (Good and Bowen)
- Good and Bowen comments after EVA2
- all hands crew dinner in Russian segment

7 minutes total length.  After that first run, they started including it in the sequence of looped repeats, in between launch, briefings, training, FD5 highlights, etc.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/20/2010 04:18 pm
FD 7 HD Crew Choice just downlinked - ran for 6 mins
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/20/2010 06:20 pm
I think John44 posted his copy of the FD5 HD highlights, in flash viewer format, before rsmath posted his files here at 8:15am ET this morning.  John44, how did you get your copy?


I wonder if he got it from Youtube where I think NASA posts some HD files
I use a 1 and 2 mbps stream and the source is youtube.

[/quote]

 I've heard about on the net that feeds NASA TV HD but isn't in HD resolution.

[/quote]

Format                           : Flash Video
_width                           : 1280.000
_height                          : 720.000
_framerate                       : 59.940
_videodatarate                   : 1000.000
_audiodatarate                   : 32.000

Video
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Width                            : 1280 pixels
Height                           : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16/9
Frame rate                       : 59.940 fps
Standard                         : Component
Scan type                        : Progressive

Audio
Format                           : AAC
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Sampling rate                    : 11.025 KHz

The 0.8 or 0.45 mbps version is no longer HD. The Akamai server switches automatsche the bitrate down.  >:(

The last 10 days, most times only a 0.45 mbps.

second image: 4:3 signal (today)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/20/2010 10:23 pm
So what you're getting from YouTube is a file that NASA TV has uploaded?  I'm not finding anything in HD from user NASAtelevision, and the only STS-132 mission video in HD I can find is the launch uploaded by spacevidcast.  But I'm not an expert on searching YouTube.

Or uploaded by someone else?

I assume there is no live stream of NASA HD coming from Youtube, just packaged videos.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/20/2010 10:27 pm
Thu May 20th

All previously seen material has been looping all day long.  No new FD highlights seen until 21:00 per below.

At 21:00 they ran the FD7 highlights for the first time; camera work and narration by Sellers:
- Ham and Antonelli talking mission status, water fun
- Creamer in lab
- Good in airlock doing EVA3 prep
- Cupola views of Progress, MRM/Rassviet

5.5 minutes total length.  After that first run, they started including it in the sequence of looped repeats, in between launch, briefings, training, previous FD highlights, etc.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/21/2010 04:06 am
So what you're getting from YouTube is a file that NASA TV has uploaded? (...)
I assume there is no live stream of NASA HD coming from Youtube, just packaged videos.


The file I mentioned the other night as a possibility for the source is a clip I saw on youtube.  I only looked for FD5 HD highlight and reported in this thread that the youtube stream was HD resolution with a bitrate of 2 MBPS.   I"m sure FD6 and FD7 are up there if NASA or whoever is posting it to youtube.

It's not clear to me if Youtube offers live streaming video service that john is recording/editing down to just the HD highlight portion or if John is just recording a captured clip from youtube.

I haven't gotten spacevidcast to work so I don't know if they are using HD resolution or just HD source with lower stream resolution.

I will continue posting my 6 MBPS clips for those that want a little higher quality than Youtube (or for some things you just won't see posted to youtube that is fed on NASA HD such as what I"m working on getting uploaded to filefront currently).







Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/21/2010 04:07 am
STS-132 FD6 HD Highlights.  H264 format, about 300 MB in size and 7 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/16495331/sts132-fd6-hd.mp4/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/21/2010 04:13 am
STS-132 FD7 HD Highlights.  H264 format, about 240 MB in size and 6 minutes in length.

http://www.filefront.com/16502543/sts132-fd7-hd.mp4/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/21/2010 08:50 am
So what you're getting from YouTube is a file that NASA TV has uploaded?  I'm not finding anything in HD from user NASAtelevision, and the only STS-132 mission video in HD I can find is the launch uploaded by spacevidcast.  But I'm not an expert on searching YouTube.

Or uploaded by someone else?

I assume there is no live stream of NASA HD coming from Youtube, just packaged videos.


FD 7 HD
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=NASAtelevision#p/u/0/vnN4sjhdjhQ

Not the original upload video, after uploading all the video's are converted by Youtube. it takes a few hours after uploading before the 720P version available is on youtube.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/21/2010 11:06 am
So what you're getting from YouTube is a file that NASA TV has uploaded? (...)
I assume there is no live stream of NASA HD coming from Youtube, just packaged videos.


The file I mentioned the other night as a possibility for the source is a clip I saw on youtube.  I only looked for FD5 HD highlight and reported in this thread that the youtube stream was HD resolution with a bitrate of 2 MBPS.   I"m sure FD6 and FD7 are up there if NASA or whoever is posting it to youtube.

It's not clear to me if Youtube offers live streaming video service that john is recording/editing down to just the HD highlight portion or if John is just recording a captured clip from youtube.

I haven't gotten spacevidcast to work so I don't know if they are using HD resolution or just HD source with lower stream resolution.

I will continue posting my 6 MBPS clips for those that want a little higher quality than Youtube (or for some things you just won't see posted to youtube that is fed on NASA HD such as what I"m working on getting uploaded to filefront currently).









Thanks - the quality you post is much appreciated!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/21/2010 02:52 pm
Thanks John44 for the info.  I've added a paragraph to my FAQ (link below) about the limited availability of these videos on Youtube.

Personally I like rsmath's videos a LOT more than Youtube, so thanks for that :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/21/2010 09:44 pm
Fri May 21st

All previously seen material has been looping all day long.

From 19:57 to 23:34 the service sat in black, with just a NASA logo.

No new FD highlights seen.  Something might have fed after midnight but I'll won't check that until tomorrow.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/21/2010 10:01 pm
Fri May 21st

All previously seen material has been looping all day long.  No new FD highlights seen yet.

(this is as of 17:45; I'll update this post at midnight tonight)

All times Eastern.


According to the NASA TV Schedule - HIGH DEFINITION FLIGHT DAY 8 CREW HIGHLIGHTS starts playing at 9 pm eastern
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/22/2010 05:16 am
I wasn't able to get HD FD8 - all that got recorded was one hour of black screen with NASA logo bug when I rolled hard drive at 9pm ET.  It's almost like the playout server took a dump.

Hopefully there is a FD8 HD package and that it'll be put in rotation on NASA HD and I hopefully can come across it, record it, and make it available at some point this weekend.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/22/2010 07:46 am
STS -132 Crew download FD 8 at this time
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/22/2010 06:55 pm
Fri May 21st -- All previously seen material has been looping all day long.  No new FD highlights seen yet.  (this is as of 17:45; I'll update this post at midnight tonight)

According to the NASA TV Schedule - HIGH DEFINITION FLIGHT DAY 8 CREW HIGHLIGHTS starts playing at 9 pm eastern

Yeah, I know, thanks :)  I had the opportunity to scan Friday's feed at that time yesterday afternoon so I did it, and recorded the results in the post here so I'll know where to start up again later.  I've now completed the Friday scan and updated the post above -- indeed the HD service was in black from 8pm to 11:30pm.

I don't see anything new in the HD feed so far today, but I'll scrutinize that better at midnight tonight and will post here.  Really I just do this for the record ...

Since they've been replaying FD5/FD6/FD7, I fully expect we'll see FD8 soon enough.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 05/22/2010 07:58 pm
So what you're getting from YouTube is a file that NASA TV has uploaded? (...)
I assume there is no live stream of NASA HD coming from Youtube, just packaged videos.


The file I mentioned the other night as a possibility for the source is a clip I saw on youtube.  I only looked for FD5 HD highlight and reported in this thread that the youtube stream was HD resolution with a bitrate of 2 MBPS.   I"m sure FD6 and FD7 are up there if NASA or whoever is posting it to youtube.

It's not clear to me if Youtube offers live streaming video service that john is recording/editing down to just the HD highlight portion or if John is just recording a captured clip from youtube.

I haven't gotten spacevidcast to work so I don't know if they are using HD resolution or just HD source with lower stream resolution.

I will continue posting my 6 MBPS clips for those that want a little higher quality than Youtube (or for some things you just won't see posted to youtube that is fed on NASA HD such as what I"m working on getting uploaded to filefront currently).

SpaceVidcast uses a C-Band antenna to get NASA TV HD directly to their broadcast machine, so they are getting a HD source, then using USTREAM to rebroadcast for the public.  It's great for those of us that don't have access to NASA TV HD live, but it's a bit pixelated for my liking.  Will stick to your downloads.  :)  Thanks for providing them, BTW!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/22/2010 09:22 pm


SpaceVidcast uses a C-Band antenna to get NASA TV HD directly to their broadcast machine, so they are getting a HD source, then using USTREAM to rebroadcast for the public.

the question is not the source, it's if the USTREAM feed is HD using low bitrate or if they've chopped it down to another 16:9 non-HD resolution like 640x360 to make it look better at lower bitrates.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/22/2010 09:23 pm
Fri May 21st -- All previously seen material has been looping all day long.  No new FD highlights seen yet.  (this is as of 17:45; I'll update this post at midnight tonight)

According to the NASA TV Schedule - HIGH DEFINITION FLIGHT DAY 8 CREW HIGHLIGHTS starts playing at 9 pm eastern

Yeah, I know, thanks :)  I had the opportunity to scan Friday's feed at that time yesterday afternoon so I did it, and recorded the results in the post here so I'll know where to start up again later.  I've now completed the Friday scan and updated the post above -- indeed the HD service was in black from 8pm to 11:30pm.

I don't see anything new in the HD feed so far today, but I'll scrutinize that better at midnight tonight and will post here.  Really I just do this for the record ...

Since they've been replaying FD5/FD6/FD7, I fully expect we'll see FD8 soon enough.

Since they had downlinked FD 2 , it may also show up at some point in the replays.......?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/22/2010 11:37 pm
all I"m seeing is FD5, 6 and 7.  I've recorded several hours and never saw FD1 in orbit, FD2, or even FD8.

i'll keep trying but I am only expecting FD8 at some point (hopefully in the same hour as FD9).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/23/2010 01:52 pm
STS-132 FD8 HD Highlights - H264 format, around 6-7 mins in length, about 275 MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/16521533/sts132-fd8-hd.mp4/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/23/2010 01:53 pm
STS-132 FD9 HD Highlights - H264 format, around 6-7 mins in length, about 275 MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/16522133/sts132-fd9-hd.mp4/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/23/2010 07:45 pm
Sorry for the delayed posting; this is a lot harder for me to do on weekends.

Sat May 22nd

All previously seen material has been looping all day long.  No new FD highlights seen until 22:50 per below.

At around 19:20 they cut over briefing to the 39A pad shot, of all things.  Sunset on an empty pad.

At 22:50 they ran FD9 highlights for the first time (not FD8):
- Sellers and Caldwell-Dyson with an Isaac Newton tribute
- 3 crew showing off new MRM/Rassviet
- Reisman at Rassviet entrance
- Kotov at Rassviet entrance
- Good and Bowen in middeck

6 minutes in length.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/24/2010 10:23 pm
Sun May 23rd

I'm missing the first hour and a half from the day.

All previously seen material has been looping all day long.

At 01:59 they went cold into what was apparently FD8 highlights (no slate):
- Reisman and Good halfway into spacesuits prior to EVA3
- Reisman in airlock, suited up, just prior to EVA, talking back!
- Sellers in Cupola
- view into Rassviet, Kotov commentary
- EVA guys in airlock, post EVA?
- Antonelli on flight deck during EVA
- looking at truss outside with EVA3 in progress (beautiful!)
- brief shot of PDGF inside airlock

5 minutes in length.  On later refeeds (e.g at 5:37) they did get a slate up and it's definitely FD8.  They may very well have fed this earlier and I missed it.  I've been too busy with Other Stuff the last few days to stay completely on top of this.

All times Eastern.

I'll try to get to Monday's feed tonight at midnight.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/25/2010 04:38 am
Mon May 24th

All previously seen material has been looping all day long.

At around 19:00 they ran FD11 highlights, but they all sorts of playback speed problems (way too fast, way too slow).  It ran again at 20:00, with those problems fixed and a slate and everything.  I'm not sure if FD10 aired earlier and I just missed it in my scan.

FD 11 Highlights:
- views of Earth below
- Antonelli, Good, Ham, Bowen on flight deck, travelling at "ludicrous speed"
- Sellers in Cupola
- flight deck views out window
- Swiss Alps, Italian coast (Venice), brief view of Greece

Now that they are looping all the accumulated material it's a lot harder to pick out the new stuff in a 24-hour time span.  But I'm not complaining :)  Just giving up for now on trying to find FD10.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/25/2010 11:38 am
After undock on FD 10, they downlinked approx 20 min of HD Flyaround vdeo, but don't know whether this will show up in any FD Highlights replay package - sure hope so, though!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/25/2010 11:00 pm
Tue May 25th

Just a quick scan.  Have not seen any flyaround footage yet, at least not 20 minutes of it.  A short amount may have snuck through my quick skimming of the last 24 hours.  TV schedule said HD highlights would feed at 8pm but what we saw then was FD11 followed by other repeats.

They went to the 39A pad shot from 15:30 to 16:00.

I expect we'll get live HD shots for KSC landing, although last time they didn't come up with those shots until just 10 minutes before landing.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/26/2010 08:52 am

STS-132 FD11 HD highlights.  H264 format, about 5 minutes in length, 210MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/16551421/sts132-fd11-hd.mp4

No HD FD10 and FD12 highlights spotted. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/26/2010 09:04 am

STS-132 Photoshoot and crew training HD.  H264 format, around 1.98 GB in size.  Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to combine the 4 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16505631/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16514193/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16524183/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/16534269/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.004/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/26/2010 10:33 am

STS-132 Photoshoot and crew training HD.  H264 format, around 1.98 GB in size.  Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to combine the 4 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16505631/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16514193/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16524183/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/16534269/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.004/




Thanks for the upload.

I created a AVCHD disc (DVD-5) from the files. This disc can be playback in a Blu-ray player with AVCHD support
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/26/2010 01:08 pm
Wed May 26th

Looping of existing material continued overnight.  At 07:36 they came up with the live KSC shot, specifically the VAB camera showing the convoy moving towards the SLF.

During landing coverage, the HD service had the PAO audio and showed several different camera shots, however it did not show the control room shots that were originating out of Houston, including the view of the room (consoles) and the view of the position status map projected on the wall.

As Atlantis completed the HAC and approached the runway, they DID have the HUD display shown on the HD service.  I'd guess this view is received via MILA, making it a shot that originates at KSC, so that makes sense.

Comparing to the STS-131 landing coverage a month ago, this is the same as we got then, except they came up with the live HD earlier; for STS-131 they came up 40 minutes prior to landing, this time they came up about an hour prior.  Certainly far better than the STS-130 "surprise" when they came up with the live HD shot only 10 minutes prior to touchdown.

So the only thing left that would make this HD feed perfect would be for them to be able to show the Houston shots.  That way I wouldn't have to be simultaneously monitoring the SD feed.

Activity after landing (times approximate):
09:05 - 09:35  Landing replays
09:35 - 10:00  Live runway shot
10:00 - 10:25  Crew and personnel on runway under Atlantis
10:25 - 11:00  Live runway shot
11:00 - 11:15  slate for upcoming briefing
11:15 - 12:10  Post-landing briefing
12:10 - 14:45  Live runway / towing shots (tow began at 12:45)
14:45 - 15:00  slate for upcoming briefing
15:00 - 15:10  Post-landing crew briefing
15:10 - 16:05  Live shot of Atlantis entering OPF
16:05 - 17:00  Live shot of pad LC-39A

Thank you NASA for all the live HD coverage!

Starting at 17:00 they went in a rotation of existing material, now including the landing, post-landing briefings, runway walkaround and FD highlights.

All times Eastern.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/26/2010 01:23 pm

STS-132 Photoshoot and crew training HD.  H264 format, around 1.98 GB in size.  Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to combine the 4 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16505631/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16514193/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16524183/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/16534269/sts132-photoshoot-training-hd.mp4.004/




great stuff - thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/26/2010 02:31 pm

I created a AVCHD disc (DVD-5) from the files. This disc can be playback in a Blu-ray player with AVCHD support

Does it look good in bluray or does it need higher bitrate to really shine?

I haven't purchased a bluray burner and player yet.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/27/2010 04:38 pm
Replays have continued 24/7.

Past history has shown that they'll drop about a day after landing, but I'm hoping they'll keep it up.  Launch, landing, all of the FD highlights packages in order, briefings ... there's plenty of material from this mission alone that they can just keep playing indefinitely.  Plus all the previous material, including even the Apollo anniversary stuff from July 2009 and the Earth Day views from April 2008.  All in HD.

*crosses fingers*
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 05/28/2010 12:58 pm
Hello,
I am a very recent poster, but I follow this topic for more than a year.
My Son and I, are Fans of everything going around the Shuttle for years.  :-*
So, Is there any chance for us (We cant receive the AM Satellite here in France), to see the STS-132 Landing  in HD in order to replay on my flat panel. ?
Filefront files in Mp4 are very good..  :) :)

Sorry for my so bad English. :(


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: catdlr on 05/28/2010 02:26 pm
Hello,
I am a very recent poster, but I follow this topic for more than a year.
My Son and I, are Fans of everything going around the Shuttle for years.  :-*
So, Is there any chance for us (We cant receive the AM Satellite here in France), to see the STS-132 Landing  in HD in order to replay on my flat panel. ?
Filefront files in Mp4 are very good..  :) :)

Sorry for my so bad English. :(

Hi BlueScreen:  Try this location:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=21764.msg596501#msg596501
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/28/2010 04:33 pm
Hello,
I am a very recent poster, but I follow this topic for more than a year.
My Son and I, are Fans of everything going around the Shuttle for years.  :-*
So, Is there any chance for us (We cant receive the AM Satellite here in France), to see the STS-132 Landing  in HD in order to replay on my flat panel. ?
Filefront files in Mp4 are very good..  :) :)

Sorry for my so bad English. :(


rsmath is busy with the upload of landing and landing replays file
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 05/28/2010 04:58 pm

I created a AVCHD disc (DVD-5) from the files. This disc can be playback in a Blu-ray player with AVCHD support

Does it look good in bluray or does it need higher bitrate to really shine?

I haven't purchased a bluray burner and player yet.


Quality is good on 26 inch HDTV, but no blu-ray quality. But this also not possible with the bitrate. Similar with a satellite HD channel of bitrate 8-10 Mbit (mpeg4).

AVCHD disc can burn you with normal dvd burner. blu-ray burner are not necessary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Compatibility_with_Blu-ray_Disc_players
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 05/28/2010 06:24 pm
Thanks you very much for response John44.  :D
I was too hurry to see Altantis landing for the last time, I was busy and not able to see the Live coverage on the Internet using the Yahoo stream this time. (1200kbp/s)
Will wait until rsmath finished his hard work.
Regards
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/28/2010 09:19 pm
Replays are continuing 24/7.  My fingers are continuing to be crossed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/28/2010 09:34 pm
Replays are continuing 24/7.  My fingers are continuing to be crossed.


...just beats me why they don't show stuff that was downlinked, like
FD 2 and flyaround HD video.....
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/30/2010 01:45 pm

STS-132 Landing in HD.  H264 format, about 830MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free) or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16562765/sts132-landing.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16563353/sts132-landing.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/30/2010 01:47 pm

STS-132 landing replays in HD.  H264 format, about 1300MB.  No shortening of the camera title slates and no deleting of those views that were SD only (like runway views or Pilot's Heads-Up Display).

Use HJSPLIT (free) or other methods to combine the 3 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16575703/sts132-landing-replays-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16581381/sts132-landing-replays-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16581803/sts132-landing-replays-hd.mp4.003/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/30/2010 01:49 pm

I recorded enough time past the landing to get the STS-132 astronaut walk around in HD - H264 format, about 1200 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to combine the 3 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16584001/sts132-walkaround.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16584845/sts132-walkaround.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16585579/sts132-walkaround.mp4.003/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/30/2010 01:50 pm

STS-132 animation graphics in HD.  H264 format, about 575 MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/16564617/sts132-animation-hd.mp4/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/30/2010 01:51 pm
Replays are continuing 24/7.  My fingers are continuing to be crossed.


There just might be something to a NASA TV HD June launch, despite still no official announcement.  One would think if there is a June official channel launch, they would keep 105 active like they have.  If there wasn't to be any launch in June, you'd think they'd pull down 105 a few days after end of STS-132 mission.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 05/30/2010 02:28 pm
Thanks you so much for uploading so much various and interesting replays from STS-132 rsmath  :-*

We are so happy here to have this opportunity to see in HD on TV screen such great event from the NASA, with your friendly help.  :)
Regards.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 05/30/2010 02:30 pm

I recorded enough time past the landing to get the STS-132 astronaut walk around in HD - H264 format, about 1200 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to combine the 3 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/16584001/sts132-walkaround.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/16584845/sts132-walkaround.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/16585579/sts132-walkaround.mp4.003/





excellent - I really enjoy the walkaround stuff - thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/30/2010 08:35 pm
http://spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30915

Anybody know where NASA released this HD video of the ice team? 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/30/2010 08:40 pm
FYI, I just checked the last 24 hours.  HD service is still up and looping.  No new material seen.  Not that I'd expect any on this holiday weekend, I'm just logging it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/30/2010 08:45 pm
http://spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30915

Anybody know where NASA released this HD video of the ice team? 

We haven't seen it on the HD feed but I'll keep an eye out for it.

Here it is on Youtube, since something's wrong with the "watch it on Youtube" link that you'd use to get out of the embedded viewer.   URL here is mangled with "---" to suppress the auto-embed feature of NSF:
---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSO5DDLHnhQ
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/04/2010 03:11 pm
HD service dropped at 8:20am on Thursday June 3rd.

:(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/11/2010 08:42 pm
The HD service came back up at 7:57am this morning!

Same bitrates as usual.

I'll start rolling my recorder on it again to see what they are doing.  Right now it's Expedition 24 material -- interviews, training, photo sessions ...

Update Monday June 14th:  ... and that's been pretty much it all weekend, about 3 hours of Exp 24/25 (Yurchikhin, Walker, Wheelock) interviews with a little bit of other material in there.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/15/2010 08:26 pm
It dropped again at 8:37am this morning.  The same Exp24 material looped until then.

(shrugs)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/16/2010 02:14 pm
It dropped again at 8:37am this morning.  The same Exp24 material looped until then.

(shrugs)


interesting they fed expedition 24 material to the media in HD, but no launch in HD to justify having the HD channel active for a few days.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/17/2010 04:11 pm
... and that they didn't just keep the background material up through launch and, heck, docking later tonight.  That's when a lot of media might take an interest in the background footage, when the news event happens.

I didn't expect launch in HD though.  We've never seen HD from Russia.  Heck, they can't even get the SD standards conversion right on half of the background material (terrible interlacing artifacts).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/15/2010 02:27 pm
(insert trumpets here!)

Press release hot off the NASA wires!

July 15, 2010

Fred Brown
Headquarters, Washington     
202-358-0713
[email protected]
RELEASE: 10-169

NASA TELEVISION DEBUTS FULL-TIME HIGH DEFINITION CHANNEL

WASHINGTON -- On Monday, July 19, NASA Television will launch a
full-time High Definition (HD) channel that media, cable and
satellite service providers can access for news content and coverage
of agency missions and programs.

The channel will deliver HD video that only NASA can provide, such as
live launch coverage of space shuttles and other spacecraft. The "ISS
Update," a daily program covering the activities of the on-orbit
International Space Station crews, will air on the new HD channel.
Video of the Earth shot by crews on the station and from NASA
satellites also will be available.

NASA's video file news feed, media conferences, lectures, satellite
interviews and special events also will be delivered in HD. The NASA
TV HD channel will be offered in MPEG-2 format.

For complete NASA TV downlink and scheduling information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

   
-end-

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/15/2010 02:47 pm
Excellent news! I'm forwarding to DirectTV now...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/15/2010 04:31 pm
Hooray!!!

I have been waiting for nearly three years for this, ever since they quietly started putting up an occasional HD feed in the satellite multiplex.

I'll update the history and FAQ links below on Monday.

Woohoo!

(now, let's see if they still use the criminally low 12 Mbps data rate ...)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/16/2010 02:49 am
Response (Aubrey S. - 100126090) - 07/15/2010 07:09 PM Dear Mr. Dale,

Thanks for writing.

I understand that watching NASA TV in HD is important to you. I appreciate being given the chance to respond to your concern and provide you with the information that you need.

While we don't have plans to add NASA TV in HD at this time, we're working to bring you even more HD channels in the near future. You can find the latest news and programming information at http://directv.com/tunein.

I've also forwarded your email to DIRECTV's Management Team, who review every suggestion for trends from our most important customers to determine what changes should be considered.

Just announced, DIRECTV extends its HD lead with the addition of over 30 new full-time HD channels, bringing our total to over 160 - more than any other satellite or cable provider.

Only DIRECTV HD takes your TV experience to a whole new lever with the most sports in HD and the largest library of movies in 1080p HD, the same stunning quality as Blu-ray™. In addition, beginning this June, DIRECTV will launch a suite of cutting-edge 3D channels, which will include N3D™ powered by Panasonic, ESPN 3D, a 3D DIRECTV Cinema™ channel and a 3D DIRECTV on DEMAND channel.

See our full HD channel list, including national channels, local channels, regional sports networks and DIRECTV Cinema™ channels.

Thanks again for writing and providing us the opportunity to be of service to you.

Sincerely,

Aubrey S.
Employee ID 100126090
DIRECTV Customer Service
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Paul Adams on 07/16/2010 03:28 am
Response (Aubrey S. - 100126090) - 07/15/2010 07:09 PM Dear Mr. Dale,

Thanks for writing.

I understand that watching NASA TV in HD is important to you. I appreciate being given the chance to respond to your concern and provide you with the information that you need.

While we don't have plans to add NASA TV in HD at this time, we're working to bring you even more HD channels in the near future. You can find the latest news and programming information at http://directv.com/tunein.

I've also forwarded your email to DIRECTV's Management Team, who review every suggestion for trends from our most important customers to determine what changes should be considered.

Just announced, DIRECTV extends its HD lead with the addition of over 30 new full-time HD channels, bringing our total to over 160 - more than any other satellite or cable provider.

Only DIRECTV HD takes your TV experience to a whole new lever with the most sports in HD and the largest library of movies in 1080p HD, the same stunning quality as Blu-ray™. In addition, beginning this June, DIRECTV will launch a suite of cutting-edge 3D channels, which will include N3D™ powered by Panasonic, ESPN 3D, a 3D DIRECTV Cinema™ channel and a 3D DIRECTV on DEMAND channel.

See our full HD channel list, including national channels, local channels, regional sports networks and DIRECTV Cinema™ channels.

Thanks again for writing and providing us the opportunity to be of service to you.

Sincerely,

Aubrey S.
Employee ID 100126090
DIRECTV Customer Service



Dont you just love these types of letters, two short paragraphs saying no, and then straight into the hard sell!

I'm going to try the same with Dish Network, our current provider.

Paul
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Paul Adams on 07/16/2010 03:37 am
I have just sent off an enquiry to Dish Network.

It would be a good idea if as many people as possible would send similar enquiries to thier TV providers.

I doubt very much that any of the providers get many such enquiries about any channels, so just a few about NASA TV HD from members of this site could make a difference.

Paul
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Paul Adams on 07/18/2010 02:07 pm
Received a reply to my enquiry to Dish Network about NASA TV HD: they add programs to their HD line-up based on interest levels. So, everyone on Dish Network, please take a moment to go to their web site and put in a request for the NASA TV HD!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 07/18/2010 02:15 pm
Received a reply to my enquiry to Dish Network about NASA TV HD: they add programs to their HD line-up based on interest levels. So, everyone on Dish Network, please take a moment to go to their web site and put in a request for the NASA TV HD!
Is there a suggestion box link over there somewhere?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Paul Adams on 07/18/2010 02:37 pm
Received a reply to my enquiry to Dish Network about NASA TV HD: they add programs to their HD line-up based on interest levels. So, everyone on Dish Network, please take a moment to go to their web site and put in a request for the NASA TV HD!
Is there a suggestion box link over there somewhere?


I just went to Contact Us, Support & then Email.

Paul
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/19/2010 03:32 pm
The HD service is up and running content continuously.  I actually checked on Friday and it was already up.

It's still at service number 105, but is now called "HQ105" instead of "HQ5".  The other 4 SD services are still called HQ1/2/3/4 so I wonder about the new HQ105 name.

There are indeed new bitrates, and they are:
HQ1   6.08 Mbps
HQ2   4.07 Mbps
HQ3   6.08 Mbps
HQ4   6.08 Mbps
HQ105 14.20 Mbps

Works for me!  It's a relief to finally get the HD service out of the 12 Mbps swamp that it's been in for three years.  Those SD bitrates are just fine -- it's still a little out of whack (SD should get even less, HD a little more) but it's good enough and I'll stop complaining about it now.

As the day wears on we'll see what the content looks like.  Right now they are running a Video File, with a mix of old SD 4:3 slates (for SD content) and new HD full-frame slates for HD content.  They don't appear to be doing the voiceover reading of the slate like they've been doing on the SD Video Files recently, so this really is geared more towards the media.  The meatball logo is in the 4:3 upper right corner, not in the 16:9 corner.

Their SD sources actually look pretty bad, with a lot of noise and banding, so I wonder if they have an upconversion problem.  Or maybe their U-matic machine needs service :)

I have updated the history and FAQ posts in this thread (links below in my sig).  If anyone finds a way to see this besides directly from the C-band satellite, please let me know.  NASA does not appear to be offering an internet feed of it.  I don't know if SpaceVidCast is offering it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/19/2010 03:43 pm
have they done schedule slates for the HD channel this weekend?  I have been too busy to check and I saw a posting on a satellite forum from someone who posted one of the weekend schedules.  I'm trying to figure out where that person got it - maybe they are a NASA insider or maybe there was a slate of what would roll when.

I've left an email to NASA to see if they can add a HD schedule to the NASA TV schedule page on their website.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 07/19/2010 04:48 pm

I have updated the history and FAQ posts in this thread (links below in my sig).  If anyone finds a way to see this besides directly from the C-band satellite, please let me know.  NASA does not appear to be offering an internet feed of it.  I don't know if SpaceVidCast is offering it.

NASA TV HD (ustream)

http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3616

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-tv-hd

At this moment source is still 4:3

----

ISS update today only an hour mission overview and crew trainings video's
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/19/2010 07:44 pm
Thanks John44.  I've updated the FAQ.

After running the Video File over and over (mostly SD content, looks pretty bad as mentioned above), they've now gone into a Bobby Braun presentation on the 2011 budget, in HD of course.  None of the SD channels are carrying it nor is it on the breaking news schedule, so I dunno.

rsmath, can you post that schedule you found here?  (with caveats, of course)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rv_rocket on 07/19/2010 07:52 pm
Does anyone know if they are updating Tribune (electronic program guide) with the new channel yet?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 07/20/2010 06:08 pm
NASA have changed the HD stream to the 16:9 source.

Probably use NASA for the SD channel (4:3) also the HD source (16:9).


Use NASA for satellite SD channel still 4:3 or they have been switched over to 16:9 ?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 07/20/2010 07:30 pm
NASA have changed the HD stream to the 16:9 source.

Probably use NASA for the SD channel (4:3) also the HD source (16:9).


Use NASA for satellite SD channel still 4:3 or they have been switched over to 16:9 ?

On the Public Channel, it appears that some things that should be letterboxed are not, such as the ISS update broadcast from JSC.  (Either that, or the SD feed is not going to the SD channels.)

With other things like the Video File, it's harder to tell; graphics look wrong sometimes, video looks wrong sometimes.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 07/23/2010 03:20 pm
My impression is that they are stretching 4:3 video from ISS to fit the 16:9 frame on HQ105, then chopping the sides off of the stretched video and feeding it back to the 4:3 feed on HQ3.  This is the worst possible choice they could make.  Cable watchers of NASA SD will see severely truncated and stretched video while NASA HD is just stretched without sidebars.

They are also now stretching their internet feeds of ISS video. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/23/2010 08:27 pm
The Apollo documentary that they're running now on two of the SD channels right now is in HD on the HD channel, good aspect ratio, with HD content for the photo stills from the lunar surface and the modern shots of talking heads.  Great stuff.

Hopefully they'll eventually fix all of the ARC bugs you all were noting earlier.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 07/23/2010 09:40 pm
Oh, the HD content is magnificent and I'm looking forward to what they do with it.  Also when they replace the remaining 4:3 cameras on ISS the problem will go away.

It seems they do put sidebars in when replaying 4:3 video on HQ105, but sometimes live video slips through stretched.  I'm hoping they don't stretch Monday night's EVA.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 08/30/2010 03:59 pm
NASA Television via Satellite (AMC3 Transponder 15C)

Note: Effective Wednesday, Sept. 1, 2010 at 2 p.m. Eastern, NASA TV is changing the primary audio configuration for each of its four channels to AC-3, making each channel�s secondary audio MPEG 1 Layer II.

In continental North America, Alaska and Hawaii, NASA Television's Public, Education, Media and HD channels are MPEG-2 digital C-band signals carried by QPSK/DVB-S modulation on satellite AMC-3, transponder 15C, at 87 degrees west longitude. Downlink frequency is 4000 MHz, horizontal polarization, with a data rate of 38.86 Mhz, symbol rate of 28.1115 Ms/s, and 3/4 FEC. A Digital Video Broadcast (DVB) compliant Integrated Receiver Decoder (IRD) is needed for reception.

"Public Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 101 (HQ1)
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x111 hex / 273 decimal
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 0x114 hex / 276 decimal
AC-3 PID = 0x115 hex / 277 decimal

"Education Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 102 (HQ2)
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x121 hex / 289 decimal
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 0x124 hex / 292 decimal
AC-3 Audio PID = 0x125 hex / 293 decimal

"Media Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 103 (HQ3)
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x1031 hex / 4145 decimal
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 0x1034 hex / 4148 decimal
AC-3 Audio PID = 0x1035 hex / 4149 decimal

"HD Channel" Programming:
HD Program = 105
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x52 hex / 82 decimal
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID= 0x53 hex / 83 decimal
AC-3 Audio PID = 0xEE hex / 238 decimal


Media Liveshots via Satellite (AMC3 Transponder 9C)


NASA TV Live Interactive Media Outlet (LIMO Channel)
Digital C-Band Downlink for continental North America, Alaska and Hawaii:
Satellite = AMC 3
Transponder = 9C
Orbital Position = 87 Degrees West
Transmission Format = DVB-S, 4:2:0
Downlink Frequency= 3865.5 Mhz
Downlink Polarity= Horizontal
FEC = 3/4
Data Rate = 6.0 Mbps
Symbol rate = 4.3404 Msps


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 08/30/2010 05:41 pm
Just curious what that means...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 08/30/2010 06:02 pm
The HD service is up and running content continuously.  I actually checked on Friday and it was already up.

It's still at service number 105, but is now called "HQ105" instead of "HQ5".  The other 4 SD services are still called HQ1/2/3/4 so I wonder about the new HQ105 name.

There are indeed new bitrates, and they are:
HQ1   6.08 Mbps
HQ2   4.07 Mbps
HQ3   6.08 Mbps
HQ4   6.08 Mbps
HQ105 14.20 Mbps


HQ4 move to another transponder ??
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/30/2010 11:06 pm
Just curious what that means...

At first blush, much ado about nothing (as AC-3 and MPEG audio already both exist for each service), but when you think about it, it's major.

Most receivers in the field tuning NASA TV do not support AC-3 (or support it from passing the AC-3 through to an external AC-3 decoder component such as a home theater system).

The change means that the receiver will scan the AC-3 audio first when scanning a channel into memory, then most receivers will have no sound when you watch the newly scanned service and you'll have lots of those who don't know their equipment or are FTA newbies have problems. 

To fix the audio, you'll have to select the alternate MPEG audio using the audio button on the remote (pain in the $$$) everytime.  Best solution is to manually define a channel if the receiver allows it so only the MPEG audio is defined to go along with the video.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/30/2010 11:12 pm

HQ4 move to another transponder ??


doubt it.  NASA rarely gives the tuning info for their HQ4 internal channel in public communications (such as the AC-3 change to primary audio bulletin) - presumably because it's not a channel intended for the public/media and/or because it's encrypted.

HQ4 was there the last time I looked at the configuration of the mux a week ago or so.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 08/31/2010 03:21 pm
For the record, the ATK firing was carried live from Utah in HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/09/2010 03:08 pm
For the record, the Discovery rollover was carried on the HQ105 HD service, but I saw only SD cameras.  I only started watching halfway through though, and wasn't paying attention constantly, so I might have missed an HD shot.

We'll see what we get after the ISS update hour.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 09/09/2010 03:55 pm
For the record, the Discovery rollover was carried on the HQ105 HD service, but I saw only SD cameras.  I only started watching halfway through though, and wasn't paying attention constantly, so I might have missed an HD shot.

We'll see what we get after the ISS update hour.

The rollover coverage was only through the SD OTV cameras at KSC.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: otisbow on 09/23/2010 02:20 am
I have lose the audio on the Pansat 3500SD recevied.  Does anyone know how to get it back?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/23/2010 11:54 am
I have lose the audio on the Pansat 3500SD recevied.  Does anyone know how to get it back?

Use your audio button to select another audio pair (probably audio 2 or 3 or 4) since audio 1 is in AC-3 format and not supported directly with the Pansat 3500SD (although that might be a receiver that passes AC-3 through to an external AC-3 decoder).



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 09/28/2010 05:58 pm
I just noticed today that there is a new bug in the upper right corner of the HD service -- "HD" to the right of the usual meatball logo.  Actually, it's not the usual meatball logo -- it's slightly bigger, and animated with an object in orbit around it.

Having a dedicated HD bug is useful, especially when they are playing upconverted SD material, because sometimes my receiver resyncs and jumps from 105 to 101, and it'll take me a while to realize that I'm not watching the HD service anymore.  Now I'll know for sure :)

This will also help us to identify the source for various internet feeds of NASA TV, e.g. spacevidcast's Ustream feed, which are often advertised as HD but are actually upconverted SD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 09/29/2010 09:37 am
This will also help us to identify the source for various internet feeds of NASA TV, e.g. spacevidcast's Ustream feed, which are often advertised as HD but are actually upconverted SD.

Doesn't help that much as right now (http://www.spacevidcast.com/live/) their SD feed is showing the NASA HD, But it isn't HD obviously. Their HD Ustream page is offline sadly. :(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 10/06/2010 09:22 pm
Figured this might be somewhat appropriate here...story about modernization of NASA TV:
http://www.governmentvideo.com/article/99330
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 10/07/2010 07:07 pm
Nice read! Sky (Satellite broadcaster in the UK) just launched it's first 3D channel last week and I watched the entire Ryder Cup in 3d. NASA would be stupid not to throw out a few 3d cameras at the launch pad and onboard, It really is just amazing.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 10/07/2010 07:57 pm
Nice read! Sky (Satellite broadcaster in the UK) just launched it's first 3D channel last week and I watched the entire Ryder Cup in 3d. NASA would be stupid not to throw out a few 3d cameras at the launch pad and onboard, It really is just amazing.

I think NASA shouldn't waste their time buying 3D gear - just borrow it for the final shuttle missions -- because I think 3D is in its once every decade or two fad.

3D has a few problems - the upgrade cycle when people have recently purchased non-3D HD sets so why go buy another set anytime soon,  and for people like me, minimal to no 3D effect because of my eyesight.  I'm sure there have to be lots out there like me who don't have the best eyesight and won't get as great of 3D experience.  Maybe when I soon get the contacts I need, things will improve but I"m not going to waste my money on 3D sets/players until I'm assured it's not the occasional fad and there is regular programming in 3D, not just movies and an occasional sports championship event.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 10/07/2010 08:17 pm
The article says NASA has already bought 3D cameras so they seem to be interested!

I'm not sure it's a fad, Atleast I hope not as I spent alot on the 3D TV. :D Thankfully 3d can be transmitted through the standard HD satellite box so that doesn't cost anything extra.

The main downpoint is the fact you still need to wear glasses, albeit better quality ones to the red/cyan.

The day we get displays that show 3d with no glasses and you can move around without loosing the effect is when 3d will totally launch I think.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 10/26/2010 05:28 pm
Seems like some very interseting STS-133 Crew Training video (approx 70 mins) has been broadcast on NASA TV (standard channel), don't know about the HD channel (I don't receive it). If anyone has recorded this in HD, would it be possible to encode it for sharing?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 10/29/2010 01:50 am
Seems like some very interseting STS-133 Crew Training video (approx 70 mins) has been broadcast on NASA TV (standard channel), don't know about the HD channel (I don't receive it). If anyone has recorded this in HD, would it be possible to encode it for sharing?

working on it.  I got a private email request from someone a week ago about this so I've recorded the Crew Resource Reel and I'm working on getting it ready to post/share.

BTW, it appears the HD and public SD channels mirror each other (except for the HD channel having material in HD when available like that whereas the SD channel has it in SD as sourced or down-res'ed to SD from HD).


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/29/2010 09:02 pm
As we head into a shuttle mission cycle here, has anyone heard about cable/DBS carriage for this HD service?  Has anyone requested this from their provider and heard anything back?  The next few days would be an ideal time to request/rerequest since the shuttle will be in the news.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 10/29/2010 09:12 pm
DirectTV said that nobody else has requested it when I last sent in the update.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 10/30/2010 03:15 am
Seems like some very interseting STS-133 Crew Training video (approx 70 mins) has been broadcast on NASA TV (standard channel), don't know about the HD channel (I don't receive it). If anyone has recorded this in HD, would it be possible to encode it for sharing?

working on it.  I got a private email request from someone a week ago about this so I've recorded the Crew Resource Reel and I'm working on getting it ready to post/share.

BTW, it appears the HD and public SD channels mirror each other (except for the HD channel having material in HD when available like that whereas the SD channel has it in SD as sourced or down-res'ed to SD from HD).




Great - Thanks so much!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/12/2010 01:44 pm
Here is the first of many STS-133 HD videos to come. 

This one is most of the STS-133 Crew Resource Reel in HD.  There is some egress training activity and a photoshoot that was part of the CRR but will be posted separately.

This STS-133 CRR I'm posting now has 8 parts.  H264 format, it's over 3 Gigs in filesize.  You can rejoin the parts with HJSPLIT or there are other methods to do it (even the DOS copy command can be used).

http://www.filefront.com/17499580/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17499760/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/17499989/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/17500204/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.004/

http://www.filefront.com/17500646/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.005/

http://www.filefront.com/17502116/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.006/

http://www.filefront.com/17502551/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.007/

http://www.filefront.com/17502648/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.008/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 11/12/2010 06:09 pm
Here is the first of many STS-133 HD videos to come. 

This one is most of the STS-133 Crew Resource Reel in HD.  There is some egress training activity and a photoshoot that was part of the CRR but will be posted separately.

This STS-133 CRR I'm posting now has 8 parts.  H264 format, it's over 3 Gigs in filesize.  You can rejoin the parts with HJSPLIT or there are other methods to do it (even the DOS copy command can be used).

http://www.filefront.com/17499580/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17499760/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/17499989/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/17500204/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.004/

http://www.filefront.com/17500646/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.005/

http://www.filefront.com/17502116/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.006/

http://www.filefront.com/17502551/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.007/

http://www.filefront.com/17502648/sts-133-crew-training-in-hd.mp4.008/




Thanks so much for this...superb, as always!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/29/2010 07:06 am
I have other STS-133 or NASA HD files that I haven't gotten around to posting yet.  I got sidetracked after uploading them and now they appear to be deleted on Filefront so I'm going to have to reupload them.

For now, here is the Thanksgiving 2010 message from some of the ISS crew.  H264 format, about 2 minutes in length and I think less than 100mb in size.

http://www.filefront.com/17579223/iss-thanksgiving-2010-message-hd.mp4/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/30/2010 08:19 am

Behind the Scenes with Mass - episode #9

H264 HD format, about 650 MB in size.  Use HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/17580014/sts-133-behind-the-scenes-massimino-9.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17580896/sts-133-behind-the-scenes-massimino-9.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 11/30/2010 10:50 am

Behind the Scenes with Mass - episode #10

H264 HD format, about 500 MB in size.


http://www.filefront.com/17584981/sts-133-behind-the-scenes-massimino-10.mp4/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: MediumFidelity on 11/30/2010 10:57 pm
According to the following media advisory, there is going to be NASA TV coverage of the upcoming SpaceX COTS 1 launch.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-168_SpaceX_Launch.html (http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-168_SpaceX_Launch.html)

Any word on if there will be HD coverage?  Maybe I'll get the Genpix setup and ready to capture, just in case.

Later,
MF


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/01/2010 07:09 am
Any word on if there will be HD coverage?

I plan on recording it because I believe it will be in HD (although no offical word from NASA on that).  NASA TV has had several ELV launches in the past in HD plus NASA seems to have several HD cameras around the complex making HD coverage seem feasible to do.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ugordan on 12/01/2010 08:35 am
At least some of the Cape trackers are HD, 60fps progressive scan cameras. They were upgraded post-Columbia as I understand. It appears the HD mode is their default operating mode (i.e. not something they need to specifically enable) and that the SD footage is just scaled down, cropped and 30fps interlaced for transmission over TV.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/01/2010 08:45 am

Behind the Scenes with Mass - episode #11

H264 HD format, about 850 MB in size.  Use HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/17585602/sts-133-behind-the-scenes-massimino-11.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17588725/sts-133-behind-the-scenes-massimino-11.mp4.002/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/01/2010 01:04 pm
Behind the Scenes with Mass - episode #12

H264 HD format, about 580 MB in size.  Use HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.


http://www.filefront.com/17589138/sts-133-behind-the-scenes-massimino-12.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17589199/sts-133-behind-the-scenes-massimino-12.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: extide on 12/01/2010 05:30 pm
Figured this might be somewhat appropriate here...story about modernization of NASA TV:
http://www.governmentvideo.com/article/99330


Very cool they use some Grass Valley gear in there, that's my dad's kit!

Although i wonder why they went with Miranda for routing/master control :P

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/03/2010 11:23 am
I had a request to re-up the STS-132 launch, so here are the links.

H264 HD format, about 700 MB in size.  Use HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the two files into one.

http://www.filefront.com/17592944/sts132-launch-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17593538/sts132-launch-hd.mp4.002/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/07/2010 07:54 am
By request, Expedition 26 Crew Resource Reel.

H264 HD format, about 3.5 GB in size, use the free program HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the parts into one big file.

http://www.filefront.com/17600198/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17600707/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/17600948/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.003/

http://www.filefront.com/17601520/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.004/

http://www.filefront.com/17602553/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.005/

http://www.filefront.com/17605660/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.006/

http://www.filefront.com/17606179/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.007/

http://www.filefront.com/17606710/exp26-crew-resource-reel.mp4.008/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/07/2010 07:58 am

STS-133 Mission Summary HD clip, about 500 MB in size, H264 HD format

http://www.filefront.com/17607109/sts-133---mission-summary-in-hd.mp4/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/07/2010 07:58 am

STS-133 Crew Profiles HD clip, about 500 MB in size, H264 HD.

http://www.filefront.com/17610310/sts-133---crew-info-in-hd.mp4/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/07/2010 08:01 am

Highlights of one of the STS-133 TCDTs and putting some payloads into the cargo bay.  H264 HD, about 1 GB in size.  Use the free program HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the 3 parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/17611382/sts-133-tcdt-highlights-and-loading-of-payload-into-shuttle-in-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17615435/sts-133-tcdt-highlights-and-loading-of-payload-into-shuttle-in-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/17615533/sts-133-tcdt-highlights-and-loading-of-payload-into-shuttle-in-hd.mp4.003/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/07/2010 09:28 am

STS-133 Egress and Emergency Training - H264 HD, about 775 MB in size. use the free software HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the two files into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/17615923/sts-133---egress-and-emergency-training-in-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17616395/sts-133---egress-and-emergency-training-in-hd.mp4.002/
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 12/07/2010 12:52 pm
Wow - Great stuff Robert!
Thanks so much for doing this.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/09/2010 11:23 am

STS-133 Preflight Photoshoot footage.  H264 HD, about 300MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/17619704/sts-133-preflight-photoshoot-in-hd.mp4/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/09/2010 11:27 am

NASA COTS Falcon9/Dragon Demo Flight 1 launch coverage.  Captured from the NASA HD channel, but some of the video looks soft so it may not have been produced in HD but rather widescreen SD.  Maybe it was late morning lighting or humidity/air particulates from cameras far away from the launch pad that makes the video look not quite so HD, don't know.  H264 HD-resolution, about 1.2 GB in size.  Use the free program HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the three parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/17624075/120810-falcon9-nasa-cots-first-demo-launch-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17624377/120810-falcon9-nasa-cots-first-demo-launch-hd.mp4.002/

http://www.filefront.com/17625094/120810-falcon9-nasa-cots-first-demo-launch-hd.mp4.003/


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/15/2010 01:29 pm

Per a request I received, the HD H264 version of a NASA MEDIA FILE clip of the final planned space shuttle main engine installation - onto shuttle Atlantis.

About 580 MB in size (15 minutes or so of footage and even a time-lapse of the 3 SSME's being installed).  Use the free program HJSPLIT or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.

http://www.filefront.com/17651639/last-planned-shuttle-ssme-installed-on-atlantis-hd.mp4.001/

http://www.filefront.com/17651703/last-planned-shuttle-ssme-installed-on-atlantis-hd.mp4.002/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 12/16/2010 12:45 pm
Thank you so much for these. :) Your extremely kind.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Danderman on 12/16/2010 05:38 pm
By request, Expedition 26 Crew Resource Reel.

So ... what is a "Crew Resource Reel"?

 ???
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 12/16/2010 06:34 pm
By request, Expedition 26 Crew Resource Reel.

So ... what is a "Crew Resource Reel"?

 ???

Crew training months before the launch

The SD version of the video
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6318

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/29/2010 12:20 pm
Per request, the rollback of STS-133 Discovery to the VAB.  It's the 12 minute'ish clip that appeared on NASA HD Video File.   H264 HD format, about 520MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/17701078/sts133-rollback-to-vab-122110-hd.mp4/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/29/2010 12:21 pm
Expedition 26 Holiday message from the ISS - H264 HD, about 48MB in size.   Short and sweet.

http://www.filefront.com/17695930/exp26-holiday-message-hd.mp4/

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/14/2011 01:40 am
Has anyone gotten any response from their cable company regarding requests for NASA HD carriage?  Once NASA started airing it 24/7 on satellite back in July, it became theoretically possible for a cable company to carry it ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/14/2011 02:24 am
DirectTV said nobody ever asked for it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 01/14/2011 06:08 am
Has anyone gotten any response from their cable company regarding requests for NASA HD carriage?  Once NASA started airing it 24/7 on satellite back in July, it became theoretically possible for a cable company to carry it ...

Cable's motivation is to have the most HD - VOD HD.  They dont' seem to care for linear HD channels.

DIRECTV's "noone requested it" probably is an excuse to not get anyone's hopes up.  All their new HD is HD local channels as they try to work to 100% DMA coverage from their 94% DMA Coverage.

DISH Network is the only one actively adding national HD linear channels to their service.  I don't know why they haven't added NASA HD - it should be free to carry and I think it would certainly attract subscribers to DISH Network service because noone else would be carrying it and likely not carrying it anytime soon.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/15/2011 06:35 pm
Thanks rsmath for the insight on the two DBS providers.  Sounds like the best chance for getting this going is to press on Dish.  If anyone here is a subscriber, please take a couple minutes to call them and ask for it!

(I get it directly off the NASA satellite in C-band, so cable/DBS carriage doesn't affect me, but it sure would be nice for everyone else to be able to see it ... in real HD :) )
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: donyoop on 01/23/2011 04:19 pm
DirectTV said nobody ever asked for it.

I am starting to come to grips with this.  I have requested Nasa HD TV from Directv about once per year for the last three years, however, it seems that interest in the manned space program might not be there.

I hope the next decade improves that.

Don
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Paul Adams on 01/23/2011 04:37 pm
Thanks rsmath for the insight on the two DBS providers.  Sounds like the best chance for getting this going is to press on Dish.  If anyone here is a subscriber, please take a couple minutes to call them and ask for it!

(I get it directly off the NASA satellite in C-band, so cable/DBS carriage doesn't affect me, but it sure would be nice for everyone else to be able to see it ... in real HD :) )


I have both called and emailed. Perhaps one day we will get it!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 01/30/2011 07:39 am

Per a request I received, I recorded and uploaded Expedition 26 HTV2 footage in HD. 

H264 format, about 520MB in size.

http://www.filefront.com/17865434/exp26-htv2-hd-footage.mp4/



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/25/2011 11:39 am
I wanted to let you all know I"m working on uploading to filefront the STS-133 launch in HD file.

I'm processing the STS-133 launch replay file right now and will try to upload it later today.

My question for all - should I upload the individual flight day highlights in HD?  I see they've added a tag "in HD where available" but it seems like only selected parts will be in HD  - pad shots were in HD, climbing into the shuttle was SD, launch was HD, in-orbit activities was SD.  I bet the highlights might be all HD once Discovery gets to ISS and can download in-orbit footage through the HD system onboard the ISS.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 02/25/2011 12:41 pm
That's strange that they'd have the SD cameras of climbing into the shuttle.  Do you mean inside the shuttle, though?  The white room camera was playing in HD on the large screen - so curious why they'd only show a standard definition replay of it.

I'd like any and all footage possible, really, but that'd put one heck of a workload on you.  I say we are good with what we get - as you are generous to do this out of your spare time when you could easily be doing something else.  It's a treat to get the HD stuff for download freely anyway.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/25/2011 12:51 pm
Good question!

The daily FD highlights over the rest of the mission will certainly also contain SD portions e.g. ISS & Shuttle external Camera views. These will be mixed with any crew choice HD downlink.

If NASA no longer will provide an "HD-only" highlights package, then it would mean more work for you to "edit out" the SD portions. How do you feel about that?

If you encoded the entire package (SD & HD), I imagine the files would be huge, as they could run between 30-60 minutes long.

If crew sends down HD video during their working day, will the HD channel show this "live"? If so, do you plan to record this or do you plan on just recording the Highlights packages at the end of each day?

Sorry...more questions than suggestions, I'm afraid!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/25/2011 01:05 pm
That's strange that they'd have the SD cameras of climbing into the shuttle.  Do you mean inside the shuttle, though? 

yes, the lipstick cameras inside the shuttle are SD so not everything launch-related is in HD (even though most is).

As long as my PC capture card fires the recording event correctly, it's no big deal to process things as it is done when I'm sleeping or at work so I don't need that PC anyway at those times.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/25/2011 01:10 pm
dshaffer:

I don't know what NASA's plans are this mission for HD - i.e. if they will be a HD equivalent of the full mission public SD channel or if there will be occasional breakaways from the mission coverage  to feed raw HD material.

If I post the highlights, I won't be doing any editing other it'll just be trimming off the ends leaving just the full highlight package -- HD and SD material as aired on the NASA HD channel in that days package -- and then processing it down in bitrate while keeping the resolution to save on filesize.  My version will only be HD because there are other places to get the SD version so no need for me to process a SD version that mirrors my HD version.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Fixer on 02/25/2011 02:50 pm
I want to thank you (rsmath) for your great work of recording/delivering of NASA HD video. Recently I've discovered that almost all of filefront links from STS-119 to STS-131/132 are dead. Is there any mirrors (or p2p) of that or only by request?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/25/2011 09:32 pm
Recently I've discovered that almost all of filefront links from STS-119 to STS-131/132 are dead. Is there any mirrors (or p2p) of that or only by request?


You can try the Space Multimedia site:

http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=1&id=1&Itemid=2

I don't know if he posts just the filefront links in the entries or if he actually mirrors the files in the entries.

Anything specific from those missions you are looking for?  I am not going to post every single one (many GB's of files) but if you have a few items of interest, I could look into re-up'ing selected pieces sometime after the STS-133 mission ends.





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/25/2011 09:36 pm
STS-133 launch in HD- 720p H264 AVC format - 886 MB in size.  Launch replays are forthcoming and I am considering posting the flight day highlights -- when I'm able to snag them -- since they are now produced using HD material when available during the mission.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20041285/sts133_launch_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20041539/sts133_launch_hd_mp4_002


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/26/2011 08:51 am
I've just downloaded STS-132-launch-hd.mp4 noticed on page 60 and i can't play it :( My mplayer says 'moov atom not found' but sts132-fd5-hd.mp4 is just fine. Any suggestions (Yes, I've joined 001 and 002)? Can you post CRC or MD5 of that files?

Thanks for 133!  :)

I don't have CRC or MD5 info - I just split and upload since filefront has filesizes limited to 500mb per each part.  The 132 is there because I re-uped just that file per someone's request for just that file.

mplayer - I believe you need to use a H264 AVC plugin (I use coreavc with my media player classic player as the H264 AVC plugin since it works great and the license fee isn't more than $20, IIRC).   

you can use VLC (videolan.org) as an alternate player for H264 AVC files and I know VLC works great because that's what I use to do a quick check of the file after processing and before uploading.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/27/2011 12:14 pm

STS-133 Launch replays in HD.  H264 AVC format, about 1 GB in size.


Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20045108/sts133_launch_replays_hd_mp4_001


http://www.gamefront.com/files/20045688/sts133_launch_replays_hd_mp4_002
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/27/2011 12:16 pm

STS-133 Flight Day 1 Highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, about 1 GB in size.


Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20044852/sts133_fd1_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20045387/sts133_fd1_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/27/2011 12:17 pm

STS-133 Flight Day 2 Highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, about 750 MB in size.


Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20044471/sts133_fd2_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20044575/sts133_fd2_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/27/2011 04:02 pm
Thanks rsmath for your work here already.  Later today I will start taking a look at my 48-hour capture and thumbnailing system and see if I can spot the HD feeds.  Personally I just need to know when the HD footage is fed out so I can focus on that.  I'll try to do this daily (identify WHEN the HD footage was fed) as I've done on previous missions.

Unfortunately I'm not able to offer those captures up for download.  My system isn't designed for that and it's impossibly tedious for me to execute that.  So hopefully rsmath will get them all!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 02/27/2011 04:20 pm
For the past several flights, the Daily Execute packagees contained a list of "Crew Choice Downlink" opportunities prior to crew sleep on each day of the flight. This list also indicated which times were good for MPC downlink. However, thus far this list has not been provided as part of the execute packages.......so no crew choice downlinks???
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Fixer on 02/27/2011 05:37 pm
So hopefully rsmath will get them all!

Thanks! Too bad there's no p2p sharing of rsmath HD videos (without need to reupload to filefront) :( But thanks anyway! On the download right now.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/27/2011 10:56 pm
  So hopefully rsmath will get them all!

My timers are just set for flight day highlights.  If there were HD feeds of material outside of the normal mission coverage or highlights packages, they haven't been recorded and if someone wants those, I would have to have someone donate the recordings for me to demux the HD feed, process it and post it (or hope NASA re-feeds them after the mission when I hopefully am aware of that feed to snag it).

If I can get info about when to look for those HD material feeds, I might be able to snag future ones and post them.


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 02/27/2011 11:36 pm
Don't know if this will help you, But FD 3 Highlights contained no HD at all, Watched it live last night.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/28/2011 12:21 am
So you watched it live on the HD channel?  How?

Just checking that you were really watching the HD channel.  On the SD channels they might take the HD material and center-cut it, not letterbox it, so you wouldn't know about whether the source material was HD or not by watching the SD channel.

Anyway, I'll get to looking at my system shortly ...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 02/28/2011 12:29 am
I watch NASA HD here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nasa-hd-tv (Obviously not at all near quality from Satellite, but you can still tell when something is HD and not)

The highlights last night were all 4:3 SD from the ISS/Shuttle
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: MediumFidelity on 02/28/2011 12:44 am
Does anyone have a recording of the original MPEG-2 data for Discovery's launch? 

Sadly, my setup failed to capture it correctly.

-MF
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Fixer on 02/28/2011 11:36 am
Found some interesting links on NASA TV with possible HD with very large files (up to 45Gb).

Example: http://www.archive.org/details/Sts125nasasShuttleAtlantisArrivesAtLaunchPadForHubbleMission (it has files in different format including large 8.7Gb mov file).

or this http://www.archive.org/details/sts125vehicle8 with small 3.2GB mov.

Bitrate must be very high. Anyone with fast internet wants to look at that large files?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 02/28/2011 12:12 pm
Those are on the NASA.gov page already.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/28/2011 04:31 pm
Sat Feb 26th / Flight Day 3

FD3 highlights fed at around midnight and included HD footage as follows:

26m00s - 28m00s  hatch open and crew welcome

Sun Feb 27th / Flight Day 4

FD4 highlights fed at around midnight and included HD footage as follows:

07m00s - 17m00s  media interviews with all 8 US crew onboard
17m00s - 18m30s  EVA 1 preps in airlock
18m30s - 19m30s  MELFI transfer in lab
22m00s - 28m00s  various shots including cupola tour with Nicole

From 07:20 to 07:33 (ET) they had what appeared to be live HD views of EVA preps; first there was a static shot of the equipment (?) lock with an empty suit mounted to the wall, then a shot looking into the airlock proper with several crew hanging out, including Steve in prebreathe.  No audio.  I don't recall Houston coming on board (in HD) before, save for scheduled events like yesterday's media interviews.  Looks like HD is becoming more and more routine!

For the record, the bitrates remain the same as when this HD service was finally launched 24/7/365 back in July (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg619834#msg619834).  The HD service is at 14.20 Mbps which is good enough for 720p MPEG2 distribution.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 02/28/2011 09:42 pm
We're live in the airlock again, in HD.  However I think it's upconverted SD.  It's filling the full 16x9 frame but clearly at a lower resolution, not actual HD.  That's OK, I'll take it!  What everyone else is seeing on the SD services is a centercut 4:3 CROP of what we see here in 16x9, so we are getting a better view here on HD/105.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/01/2011 05:55 am
Sat Feb 26th / Flight Day 3
Sun Feb 27th / Flight Day 4


and those two days of highlights in HD are coming when I can get the uploading finished.

I just snagged FD5 a few mins ago but need to process it and upload it.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/01/2011 02:44 pm
Mon Feb 28th / Flight Day 5

FD5 highlights fed at around midnight, however I did not spot any HD footage.  I assume the crew didn't get a chance to downlink any.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 03/02/2011 11:41 am
Approx 40 minutes of HD Crew Choice video downlinked yesterday (Mar 2) beginning at approx 23:50  GMT. Covers FD 5 and 6 activities.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/02/2011 01:15 pm

STS-133 FD 3 Highlights in HD.  H264 720P format, about 1.25 GB in size.


Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the three pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20054183/sts133_fd3_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20054448/sts133_fd3_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20053503/sts133_fd3_hd_mp4_003


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/02/2011 01:16 pm

STS-133 FD 4 Highlights in HD.  H264 720P format, about 1.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the three pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20054640/sts133_fd4_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20054821/sts133_fd4_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20054898/sts133_fd4_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/02/2011 01:17 pm

STS-133 FD 5 Highlights in HD.  H264 720P format, about 1.2 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the three pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20056346/sts133_fd5_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20056488/sts133_fd5_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20056255/sts133_fd5_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/02/2011 04:38 pm
Tue Mar 1st / Flight Day 6

FD highlights fed at around 10pm (and later repeats of course) and included HD footage as follows:

- shuttle middeck breakfast reviews
- Nicole in ISS
- cupola views of Leonardo being berthed (night mode, grainy)
- Cady and Eric at robotics WS in lab
- Al showing BRT function, air lock views
- opening of ISS-side hatch to PMM
- Paolo on science experiment
- Eric in PMM vestibule
- Al removing heat shield from foot restraint
- opening of PMM hatch and first entry
- Steve doing the Superman bit

Yesterday there were a few more occasions when they carried live activities in 16:9 on the HD service, such as PMM vestibule outfitting and PMM entry, although they were clearly at reduced resolution and not real HD.  The media event was downlinked in HD, as we've come to expect for scheduled events.

As dshaffer reported above, quite a bit of crew HD came down yesterday, specifically during the following windows (all times ET):

18:51 - 19:13
19:21 - 19:31
19:35 - 19:43
19:47 - 19:52

Since there's about 45 minutes of footage, but only 15-20 minutes appeared in the FD highlights package, there's obviously a lot more to be seen there.  Unless I missed something, the extra footage is PMM vestibule outfitting, cupola robotics work, post EVA chatter, quiet airlock work.

Editorializing:
- Cady Coleman sure does say "woohoo" a lot.
- During the media interviews, that KING-TV anchor sure sounded stupid.
- It's great to see those signatures inside the PMM up on orbit now!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/03/2011 04:39 pm
Wed Mar 2nd / Flight Day 7

FD highlights fed at around 10pm (and later repeats of course) and included HD footage as follows:

11m45s - 12m30s : Nicole and Steve at shuttle middeck in IV role
25m00s - 26m30s : Cady, Eric and Scott transferring Robonaut package out of PMM

There may have been other HD snippets in that FD highlights package but if they're shorter than 30 seconds I might miss them in my scans.

The crew HD feed came down at 8pm ET, was fed out on NASA TV at 9pm, and included about 15 minutes of HD footage as follows:
- Mike at airlock doing pre/post EVA (not sure which)
- Nicole exercising on middeck
- back at airlock, pre EVA, leak discussion by Mike incl views of bad O-ring
- good views of Al and Steve heading into lock
- Cady, Eric and Scott transferring Robonaut package out of PMM
- Nicole and Steve at shuttle middeck in IV role
- post EVA happy chatter
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/05/2011 09:47 pm
Thu Mar 3rd / Flight Day 8

FD highlights probably fed as usual, but I didn't catch the raw HD crew downlink.


Fri Mar 4th / Flight Day 9

FD highlights fed at 20:18 ET and included lots of entertaining scenes with Nicole, either behind the camera or in front of it, as follows:
- with Eric in the lab with a GLACIER freezer
- in the US lab with Mike and Steve L. finishing rack transfer
- with Paolo in lab with CSACP air monitors
- with Al at PMM hatch, then touring PMM with Steve B.
- Nicole and Scott doing work with MELFI and GLACIER freezers, narration by Steve L.
- in PMM with a bunch of crew
- with cosmonauts, speaking Russian
- in lab, showing Robonaut in box
- back in PM with a bunch of activity
- entire crew with Italian space agency PMM signature sheet
- Nicole and Al in middeck (?) sucking up oxygen
- Nicole and Mike in middeck horsing around with water
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/05/2011 09:55 pm

STS-133 FD6 highlights in HD.  H264 720P format, about 1.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the three pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20059710/sts133_fd6_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20062535/sts133_fd6_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20059929/sts133_fd6_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/05/2011 09:57 pm

STS-133 FD7 highlights in HD.  H264 720P format, about 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the three pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20062649/sts133_fd7_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20062779/sts133_fd7_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20062930/sts133_fd7_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/05/2011 09:58 pm

STS-133 FD8 highlights in HD.  H264 720P format, about 650 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20062237/sts133_fd8_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20062390/sts133_fd8_hd_mp4_002


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/07/2011 03:39 pm
Sat Mar 5th / Flight Day 10

FD highlights first fed at 9pm; 24 minutes in length; I did not spot any HD material in it


Sun Mar 6th / Flight Day 11

FD highlights first fed at 9pm; 26 minutes in length; there's just a little bit of HD material; the PMM gymnastics show is here, in 16:9 widescreen SD, and is lots of fun to watch even though not in HD!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/07/2011 05:43 pm
Just FYI, in the FAQ (linked below in my signature) I have a section on how to join rsmath's HD file chunks together using the simple "copy" command at a DOS/Windows command prompt.  No special software required.  Here it is copied from the FAQ:

Joining binary files together

NSF user rsmath frequently posts video files of feeds that he's captured from this HD feed, but because the files are so big he has to chop them up.  You should rejoin them before trying to view them.  In Windows machines, it is trivially easy to rejoin binary files together, without special software like HJSplit.

In Windows, open a command prompt and do this to get to where the files are:
C:                          change to the drive where the file chunks are)
dir                         list files and directories (aka folders)
cd ..                       change to the parent directory of where you are now
cd directory                move down into a directory where the file chunks are

And once you are in the right directory, here's the key command:
copy /b file1 + file2 + file3 fileresult

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DOS_commands#copy

This will concatenate the files together.  I used to do it all the time with mp3 captures.  The result will be free of glitches.  Mac and Linux have similar capabilities -- open a terminal / command prompt and type "man cat".
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/09/2011 05:03 pm
Mon Mar 7th / Flight Day 12

FD highlights first fed at 9pm; 23 minutes in length; crew HD footage of the ISS flyaround

Several times on Monday night they fed out the STS-133 ascent highlights package that the SSP SE&I group produced, but unfortunately it was in SD, with the HD shots squeezed.

Tue Mar 8th / Flight Day 13

FD highlights first fed at 9pm; 31 minutes in length; only HD material was that of the PAO events
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/09/2011 05:53 pm
For the record, this is the first time we've had a shuttle mission since the NASA TV HD went to 24/7 service back in July 2010.  For all of the shuttle missions up through STS-132, we've had the misery of seeing the HD service drop a day or so after the landing events were done -- sometime within hours.  Now it'll stay up!  And of course we have lots of coverage due up in short order, including Endeavour rollout and Soyuz activity, although the latter isn't usually in HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 03/09/2011 06:53 pm
For the record, this is the first time we've had a shuttle mission since the NASA TV HD went to 24/7 service back in July 2010.  For all of the shuttle missions up through STS-132, we've had the misery of seeing the HD service drop a day or so after the landing events were done -- sometime within hours.  Now it'll stay up!  And of course we have lots of coverage due up in short order, including Endeavour rollout and Soyuz activity, although the latter isn't usually in HD.

It's been fantastic watching online, Between Spacevidcast and the NASA Ustream one I hope atleast one will be up for those outside the satellites footprint.

*wishes Sky in the UK would broadcast the channel*
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/09/2011 07:46 pm
*wishes ANY cable or satellite provider would carry the channel*
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/09/2011 11:19 pm

STS-133 FD 9 highlights in HD.  H264 720P format, about 1.2 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the three pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20067528/sts133_fd9_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20067656/sts133_fd9_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20067342/sts133_fd9_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/09/2011 11:21 pm

STS-133 FD 10 highlights n HD.  H264 720P format, about 900 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20068677/sts133_fd10_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20072175/sts133_fd10_hd_mp4_002
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/09/2011 11:22 pm

STS-133 FD 11 highlights in HD.  H264 720p format, about 1050 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the three pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20074675/sts133_fd11_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20074969/sts133_fd11_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20074392/sts133_fd11_hd_mp4_003


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/09/2011 11:23 pm

STS-133 FD 12 highlights in HD.  H264 720p format, about 850 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20110676/sts133_fd12_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20110838/sts133_fd12_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mark Dave on 03/10/2011 02:03 pm
NASA TV is cool. I did notice during STS-133's landing and earlier at launch when the wind made the camera shake, the image distorted like a portion of the bottom was frozen in place while the middle of the image moved around.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/11/2011 09:13 pm

STS-133 FD 13 highlights in HD.  H264 720p format, about 1.14 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the four pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20116466/sts133_fd13_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20116603/sts133_fd13_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20116729/sts133_fd13_hd_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20116893/sts133_fd13_hd_mp4_004
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/11/2011 09:14 pm

STS-133 landing in HD.  H264 720p format, about 650 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20116200/sts133_landing_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20116360/sts133_landing_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/12/2011 10:27 pm

STS-133 Landing replays in HD (received during AMC 3's sunoutage period).  H264 720P format, about 730 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.


http://www.gamefront.com/files/20119291/sts133_landing_replay_received_during_sunoutage_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20120055/sts133_landing_replay_received_during_sunoutage_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/12/2011 10:28 pm

STS-133 vehicle walkaround in HD (received during AMC 3's sunoutage).  H264 720P format, about 840 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20119573/sts133_walkaround_received_during_sunoutage_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20119860/sts133_walkaround_received_during_sunoutage_mp4_002
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: yg1968 on 03/16/2011 12:59 am

STS-133 Landing replays in HD (received during AMC 3's sunoutage period).  H264 720P format, about 730 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS copy command to rejoin the two pieces into one file.


http://www.gamefront.com/files/20119291/sts133_landing_replay_received_during_sunoutage_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20120055/sts133_landing_replay_received_during_sunoutage_mp4_002

The second file has an error. It doesn't download. Incidentally, thanks for all of these videos! They are great.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/16/2011 08:34 am

The second file has an error. It doesn't download. Incidentally, thanks for all of these videos! They are great.

works for me.  I just downloaded the second file as a test and it was downloaded in its entirety.

What I don't understand is why gamefront shows the files from FD9 to the end of mission as having been downloaded zero times (when I know at least I downloaded a file a few minutes ago).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: yg1968 on 03/17/2011 02:15 am

The second file has an error. It doesn't download. Incidentally, thanks for all of these videos! They are great.

works for me.  I just downloaded the second file as a test and it was downloaded in its entirety.

What I don't understand is why gamefront shows the files from FD9 to the end of mission as having been downloaded zero times (when I know at least I downloaded a file a few minutes ago).

OK. I managed to download the file using Firefox. I keep getting these strange downloading issues with Internet Explorer.

Thanks for the files again. These HD videos are great!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 03/18/2011 10:08 pm
Hey rsmath, can you try to capture this?  I missed the first feed today, and am told it's 11m30s in length.  The schedule here (http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/schedule.html) will tell you when the Video File is airing on the HD service.


MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-063

NASA RELEASES FIRST-EVER HD FOOTAGE OF SRB RECOVERY SHIP MISSION

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- For the first time, NASA has released high-definition video taken during the retrieval of solid rocket booster segments from the Atlantic Ocean. The solid rocket boosters provided 144 million pounds of thrust for the final launch of space shuttle Discovery on its STS-133 mission.

After each shuttle launch, crew members of the Liberty Star and Freedom Star retrieval ships pull the spent boosters out of the ocean and return them to Hangar AF at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. After they are processed, the boosters are transported to Utah, where they are refurbished and stored, if necessary.

The video includes high-definition video footage from the recovery ships and time-lapse footage of recovery efforts on Freedom Star.

The footage was captured with a Panasonic HPX 3700 high-definition, cinema-style camera with 1080 progressive scanning at 24 frames per second.

The video will be broadcast on NASA Television's Video File. For NASA TV downlink information, schedules and links to streaming video,
visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

To view the video on the Kennedy YouTube page, visit:

http://www.youtube.com/nasakennedy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWR_MHkuBMU
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/19/2011 06:43 pm
Per a request I received and was able to capture in time, the Expedition 26 hatch closing in HD taken from the NASA Video File.  H264 720p format, about 475 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20140167/exp26_hatch_closing_goodbyes_and_return_to_earth_hd_mp4

EDIT: there is some undocking/landing footage included as it was part of the video file, but that particular material is not in HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/19/2011 06:49 pm

MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-063

NASA RELEASES FIRST-EVER HD FOOTAGE OF SRB RECOVERY SHIP MISSION


It's in work as I saw that press release in my inbox in the early afternoon Friday and happened to be able to set a recording timer to catch the video file in time (although I suppose it will run in the video file all weekend).

I'm also processing the robonaut 2 unpacking item from that same Friday videofile feature.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2011 06:13 pm

STS-133 SRB recovery feature in HD.  H264 720p format, about 450 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20143307/sts133_srb_recovery_hd_mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2011 06:14 pm

Expedition 27 Robonaut 2 uncrating - mostly HD clip from the  NASA Video file.  H264 720p format, about 425 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20143522/exp_27_robonaut_2_uncrated_mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 03/20/2011 06:16 pm

Just for fun, NASA employees' photoshoot where they created a space shuttle logo in a parking lot near the VAB.

Priceless part is the time lapse video portion of this NASA video file item, especially when they all disperse from the event after the photos are taken.

H264 720P format, about 80 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20143570/ksc_engineers_shuttle_photoshoot_mp4


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 03/21/2011 06:05 pm

Expedition 27 Robonaut 2 uncrating - mostly HD clip from the  NASA Video file.  H264 720p format, about 425 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20143522/exp_27_robonaut_2_uncrated_mp4


Excellent Robert!

Thank you so much for your generous time and effort to do these!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/07/2011 06:29 pm
Did anyone catch the Soyuz launch coverage on Monday, shown in HD for the first time?  I was away from my usual recording assets and they didn't work properly.  The Youtube link is below but it's not HD and it's Youtube :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz-inRrnCIE
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 04/07/2011 06:54 pm
Did anyone catch the Soyuz launch coverage on Monday, shown in HD for the first time? 


Yes, wait for the filefront upload
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 04/07/2011 07:23 pm
Did anyone catch the Soyuz launch coverage on Monday, shown in HD for the first time?  I was away from my usual recording assets and they didn't work properly.  The Youtube link is below but it's not HD and it's Youtube :/

NASA have the launch video in 720p HD here:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ugordan on 04/07/2011 07:55 pm
NASA have the launch video in 720p HD here:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html

Not worth it. I'm not convinced any of those ground cameras are HD and not upsampled SD. Cabin video goes without saying.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/07/2011 09:01 pm
Thanks guys!  I've just downloaded it from NASA now (at 25 Mbps!), should have thought of that.  John44 I'll still look forward to your download via Filefront because the MOV provided by NASA cuts off for me at around 6 minutes, before they reach orbit, although well after the HD shots are over.  Thanks again.

I agree that the HD video looks a little soft, and might be SD sourced, but it's still better than anything I've ever seen.  Probably indicative of a local conversion to HD.  There's some MPEG pumping in the background, perhaps due to the low light conditions.  Great colors in the plume prior to booster sep.  Until the cameraman messed up the focus after the Korolev Cross, it was neat to see the stars flying by in the view.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 04/08/2011 06:42 am
NASA have the launch video in 720p HD here:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/hd/index.html

Not worth it. I'm not convinced any of those ground cameras are HD and not upsampled SD. Cabin video goes without saying.

The ground cameras were HD from what I saw, the one that was upscaled was the stationary view of the pad and the concrete trench.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/10/2011 06:34 pm

Per a request, STS-134 stack inspected for storm damage after a severe storm moved across the Cape.  Clip sourced from the NASA Video File.  H264 format, 720P, about 425 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20206463/sts134_inspections_for_stack_damage_after_a_bad_storm_mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/10/2011 06:36 pm

STS-134 TCDT related footage, taken from the NASA Video File.  H264 format, 720P, about 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or the DOS copy command to join the three parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20205064/sts134_tcdt_video_file_item_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20205231/sts134_tcdt_video_file_item_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20205636/sts134_tcdt_video_file_item_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/10/2011 06:37 pm

STS-134 Crew Resource Reel.  H264 720P format, about 2.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or DOS copy command or other methods to join the five files into one big file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20202182/sts134_crew_resource_reel_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20202365/sts134_crew_resource_reel_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20202529/sts134_crew_resource_reel_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20202750/sts134_crew_resource_reel_mp4_004

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20205475/sts134_crew_resource_reel_mp4_005
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/10/2011 06:39 pm
Expedition 27 Soyuz rocket rollout footage.  H264, 720p format, about 1.2 GB.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or DOS copy command or other methods to join the three files into one big file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20208647/exp27_soyuz_rocket_moves_to_launchpad_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20208804/exp27_soyuz_rocket_moves_to_launchpad_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20208974/exp27_soyuz_rocket_moves_to_launchpad_mp4_003


Other Expedition 27 Soyuz HD footage (mating, launch, launch replays) coming after I can get them uploaded.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/11/2011 05:04 pm

Expedition 27 Soyuz rocket mating footage.  H264 720p format, about 450 MB.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20212752/exp27_soyuz_mating_footage_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/11/2011 05:06 pm

Expedition 27 Soyuz launch.  H264 720p format, about 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software), DOS copy or other methods to join the 3 parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20212088/exp27_launch_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20212212/exp27_launch_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20212447/exp27_launch_hd_mp4_003



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/11/2011 05:09 pm

Expedition 27 Soyuz launch replays.  raw MPEG2 Transport Stream (TS) format that plays with VLC and I"m sure many other media players.  720p HD, about 800 MB in size.

Because the replays were short, this'll give you the best idea what NASA HD is like because I haven't processed it down a little bit to save quite a bit of file size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software)  or DOS copy command or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20211998/exp27_soyuz_launch_replays_ts_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20212328/exp27_soyuz_launch_replays_ts_002



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/27/2011 02:00 pm
Does anyone have any tips on how to record a NASA TV HD stream?  I can record the stream from Yahoo (http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368163) using VLC, but can't seem to figure out how to record the ustream HD version.

If there's a command line version that'll let me just dump the stream directly, all the better.  Otherwise I'll use VLC if I have to =)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: AS-503 on 04/27/2011 02:22 pm
This utility may work.
If not for NASA TV, keep it for other streams you would like to capture.

Tools like this have helped alot with creating an otherwise impossible library of space stuff.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/27/2011 02:27 pm
What utility? =p

If you're referring to rtmpdump, I saw a posting somewhere that someone claimed to have figured out the appropriate parameters to get it to run.  I've tried, but no dice, get connection or authentication refused errors.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: AS-503 on 04/27/2011 06:04 pm
http://all-streaming-media.com/record-video-stream/GetAsfStream-freeware-Windows-Media-stream-ripper.htm

Whoops.  I am a bonehead.

Here is the link that was left out of my other post.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/27/2011 06:13 pm
Here's what I'm doing currently.  It works for the Yahoo 1200kbps streams, but still haven't found a way to get the NASA HD stream from UStream or SpaceVidCast.  If anyone has figured it out, please let me know!

Saving the stream from:
http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368163

there's a MMS link you can extract from that URL.  I use the following to get it automatically:

url=$(curl -s http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368163 | grep mms | sed 's/^.*<Ref href = \"\(.*\)\" \/>/\1/g')

Then, using mPlayer on Linux:
mplayer -noframedrop -dumpfile OUTPUT-FILENAME -dumpstream $url

This gives me a raw FLV dump of the Yahoo stream.

Hope that helps someone.  Now to figure out how to do the HD stream!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/28/2011 07:08 pm
Figured out how to record an HD stream!!

This is NASA's HTML5 Wifi HD stream for iPods/iPhones/iPads, probably used for the official NASA app:
http://liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8

This is an HTML5 streaming video playlist file, each of the files in the playlist is about 10 seconds of video.  The files in the list constantly change, so just need to continuously download the files as they appear on the list into a single file and the resulting file is the full HD stream.

I have a little script to process this now, if anyone's interested let me know!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 04/28/2011 07:14 pm
Figured out how to record an HD stream!!

This is NASA's HTML5 Wifi HD stream for iPods/iPhones/iPads, probably used for the official NASA app:
http://liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8

This is an HTML5 streaming video playlist file, each of the files in the playlist is about 10 seconds of video.  The files in the list constantly change, so just need to continuously download the files as they appear on the list into a single file and the resulting file is the full HD stream.

I have a little script to process this now, if anyone's interested let me know!

Nice! The Ustream version seems quite a bit sharper, but I'm sure plenty will appreciate this.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/28/2011 07:24 pm
For anyone with a Mac or Linux (you may need to install 'curl'), this will download the iPad HD stream:
Change the "saveto" and "filename" fields as needed.

Once running, it will keep recording until you close the terminal window or press CTRL-C.

#!/bin/bash
saveto="/Volumes/Data/NASA"
filename="$saveto/NASA-TV-HD.`date +%y%m%d-%s`"

httpurl='http://liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8'
trap "break; echo Finished recording. ; exit 0" SIGINT SIGTERM

echo -n Buffering
#Get initial set of files
for nextfile in $(curl -s $httpurl | grep '.ts'); do
        echo -n .
        curl -s "$nextfile" >> $filename.ts
        lastfile="$nextfile"
done

echo 100\%

echo Starting continuous recording. Press CTRL-C to quit.
while true; do
        nextfile=$(curl -s $httpurl | grep '.ts' | tail -1)
        if [ "$nextfile" != "$lastfile" ]; then
                curl -s "$nextfile" >> $filename.ts
                lastfile="$nextfile"
        fi
 #File list updates every 10 seconds, but don't want to sleep too long and miss an update!
        sleep 7
done

It's simple enough that if anyone wants a Windows version of this I could probably write something up.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 04/28/2011 08:14 pm
I have a little script to process this now, if anyone's interested let me know!
I'm interested.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/29/2011 12:32 am
Spinning up for the STS-134 launch ...

I will update the FAQ here tomorrow (link below).  Please let me know if you are aware of new HD viewing sources besides those listed in the FAQ.  Sources carrying the real NASA HD feed (not cheating by carrying the SD feed upconverted) will saying "HD" in the upper right corner, and the meatball logo will be animated.

I'll also incorporate the above info about recording streams into the FAQ.

And for the record, the MPEG2 video bitrates remain exactly the same as since the July 2010 launch of the permanent HD feed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/29/2011 12:34 am
ChrisC - your FAQ link is missing.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 04/29/2011 09:40 am
I have a little script to process this now, if anyone's interested let me know!
I'm interested.

I'm also interested if you could make something up for launch today...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 11:50 am
Windows users:
My Windows/Batch file scripting is a little rusty, so let me know if this isn't working.

Download CURL for Windows here:
http://www.gknw.net/mirror/curl/win32/curl-7.21.6-ssl-sspi-zlib-static-bin-w32.zip

Copy the following into something like "RecordNASATV.cmd" in the directory where you unzipped CURL and run it.

@echo off
set saveto="C:\"
set filename="%saveto%\NASA-TV.ts"

set url="liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8"

setlocal EnableExtensions

set oldfile="null"

echo Starting Continuous Recording, press CTRL-C to quit.
:loop
curl -s "%url%" | find ".ts" | more +10 > playlist.tmp
for /f "usebackq delims=" %%i in (`type playlist.tmp`) do set newfile=%%i
del playlist.tmp

if "%newfile%"=="%oldfile%" goto loop
curl -s %newfile% >> %filename%
set oldfile=%newfile%

goto loop
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 04/29/2011 12:25 pm
Windows users:
My Windows/Batch file scripting is a little rusty, so let me know if this isn't working.



Thanks for the scripts.

During the recording I get this message

root@pc-K7VM2:~# ./stream-high.sh
Buffering...........100%
Starting continuous recording. Press CTRL-C to quit.
basename: missing operand
Try `basename --help' for more information.
basename: missing operand
Try `basename --help' for more information.
basename: missing operand
Try `basename --help' for more information.


NASA's new Windows Media stream quality is poor.
http://www.nasa.gov/55644main_NASATV_Windows.asx

NASA windows media recording (I'm not happy)
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/archive/test1.php

Nasa Wifi HD recording and then converted to windows media file
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/archive/test2.php
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/29/2011 12:26 pm
Anyone getting the UStream NASATV HD lately? Seems to have been down a while.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Stardust9906 on 04/29/2011 12:29 pm
Anyone getting the UStream NASATV HD lately? Seems to have been down a while.

Watching it on Spacevidcast but the other feeds were down last time I checked.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 04/29/2011 12:52 pm
Flash - Lower bitrate than the HD ustream
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/public_flash.html

Flash Media Channel
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/media_flash.html

Flash Education Channel
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/edu_flash.html

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Stardust9906 on 04/29/2011 01:38 pm
UStream HD is back up.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 01:43 pm
the basename error is ignorable, it just comes up when it doesn't get a valid name for the next chunk I think.  The outputted file should still be fine.
Thanks for the scripts.

During the recording I get this message

root@pc-K7VM2:~# ./stream-high.sh
Buffering...........100%
Starting continuous recording. Press CTRL-C to quit.
basename: missing operand
Try `basename --help' for more information.
basename: missing operand
Try `basename --help' for more information.
basename: missing operand
Try `basename --help' for more information.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 04/29/2011 02:10 pm
Is it expected to get several "Access denied" error messages during the recording session?
I don't see any indications that recording have started except for a "playlist.tmp" file that keeps getting deleted and has a file size of 0 kB.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 02:14 pm
What did you set the "saveto" and "filename" fields as?

@echo off
set saveto="C:\"
set filename="%saveto%test.ts"


By default it's saving to
C:\test.ts

do you see a file there?  I should have set a better default, sorry.

Is it expected to get several "Access denied" error messages during the recording session?
I don't see any indications that recording have started except for a "playlist.tmp" file that keeps getting deleted and has a file size of 0 kB.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 04/29/2011 02:19 pm
Nasa Wifi HD recording and then converted to windows media file
http://www.space-multimedia.nl.eu.org/archive/test2.php

Do you use a commercial program to convert the TS file to a usable format?  I'm looking to convert it to MPG, and being a MPEG-2 TS file, it should be able to me "MTS" or "MPG" -- should.

EDIT:  Both *do* work, but I am having issues skipping back in the file via VLC, and it shows a timecode of 00:00:00/00:00:00 all the way through the video, after letting it run for 2 minutes..
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 04/29/2011 02:19 pm
Changing those two fields worked, thanks.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 02:21 pm
I've been able to play it straight out of VLC.  VLC says that the stream is a regular h264 video, I don't think it the .ts is actually a correct extension, probably .m4v is more accurate, but VLC auto detects it anyway.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 02:23 pm
Don't skip through the live recorded file, make a copy of it first so you don't affect the file that's still being recorded into.  Once the file is closed/recording stopped there shouldn't be any problem skipping through it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 04/29/2011 02:24 pm
Correction, that was with the recording stopped on both tries.  VLC does detect the file regularly, though.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 02:26 pm
Correction, that was with the recording stopped on both tries.  VLC does detect the file regularly, though.

Hmm you're right. I didn't notice that before, I suspect that has to do with the fact that it was a live stream and not a regular file.  Seeking still works for me, even though the timecode always displays 00:00.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 02:28 pm
Changing the extension from .ts to .mpg allows even Quicktime to play it.  mp4 and m4v don't seem to work though.  I'm guessing this is really a raw stream and not in any container, hence why .mpg is more accurate.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 04/29/2011 03:59 pm
I'm going to try to edit it in Adobe Premiere Pro after crew walkout, just to see if it's a viable way to attain HD highlights on the fly for our music videos.

Thanks for this, however.  Can't say that enough.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 04:38 pm
Just glad to help =)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 04/29/2011 04:39 pm
One other thing - does this record audio?  I recorded crew walkout and it didn't seem to record that audio.  No issue if it doesn't as we don't use the audio too often, but just a question for others that'd record using this.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 04/29/2011 04:40 pm
ChrisC - your FAQ link is missing.

NASA TV HD FAQ is here:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg536292#msg536292

It's always linked in my sig below.  Are you suppressing sigs in your profile config, or viewing with a mobile device?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 04:43 pm
One other thing - does this record audio?  I recorded crew walkout and it didn't seem to record that audio.  No issue if it doesn't as we don't use the audio too often, but just a question for others that'd record using this.

It does record audio, at least I heard all the interviews yesterday. Havent tested today's copy yet but it should have audio too.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 04/29/2011 04:55 pm
Are you suppressing sigs in your profile config

Sorry - that's me... Too many lists of launches people attend that I don't care about ;)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: DaveS on 04/29/2011 04:57 pm
One other thing - does this record audio?  I recorded crew walkout and it didn't seem to record that audio.  No issue if it doesn't as we don't use the audio too often, but just a question for others that'd record using this.

It does record audio, at least I heard all the interviews yesterday. Havent tested today's copy yet but it should have audio too.
Audio works fine for me on my recording.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 04/29/2011 05:04 pm
One other thing - does this record audio?  I recorded crew walkout and it didn't seem to record that audio.  No issue if it doesn't as we don't use the audio too often, but just a question for others that'd record using this.

It does record audio, at least I heard all the interviews yesterday. Havent tested today's copy yet but it should have audio too.
Audio works fine for me on my recording.

VLC somehow defaulted my audio to "disabled".  Audio works fine.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/29/2011 05:53 pm
One more update:
If you have trouble with the HD stream, there are a bunch of other streams to choose from here:

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8

Try the 3G or Edge streams if your internet connection is slower and can't stream the HD one.  Just change the "url" setting in either the Windows or Mac/*nix scripts to one of the other ".m3u8" links and the scripts should be able to record from them too.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: restored on 04/30/2011 06:53 pm
So, is there a way to watch this NASA TV HD stream on VLC without recording it and without stopping every 10 seconds?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 04/30/2011 07:46 pm
So, is there a way to watch this NASA TV HD stream on VLC without recording it and without stopping every 10 seconds?

You can try opening one of the links with Safari or Chrome. If you do it in safari, it may help to enable the developer menu and change the user agent to "Safari/iPad" first.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: restored on 04/30/2011 08:55 pm
Thanks Naito.
I may try using Chrome, but the point is that i need to take screenshot; so no way/script to play this using VLC player?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 04/30/2011 09:16 pm
Are you using Windows?  Windows 7 has a screen capture bundled with it, and you can use the uStream NASA TV HD feed (same thing) with this as well.

I did set my VLC to "replay" the file, and it was *severely* delayed compared to satellite AND the uStream HD feed, which beats the speed of satellite, but it did stay running for about 2 minutes...  I'd like to see a way to watch NASA TV in HD via VLC one day.  :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 04/30/2011 10:53 pm

President Obama arrives at KSC.  Video file clip in 720p HD.   Pure Transport Stream (TS) file, about 350-400 mb in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20282906/sts134_president_obama_arrives_at_ksc_042911_ts
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Naito on 05/01/2011 05:57 am
Using VLC 1.1.9 on my Mac with the http://liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8 link seems to work, SOMETIMES.  Even when it works it tends to stutter every 10 seconds though.  Maybe a future version of VLC will do this properly?  I mean if it was possible to record this stuff using a plain script, I'm sure the VLC devs will figure out a way to make HTML5 video work soon!  Maybe send them a message or try one of the experimental builds?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/01/2011 06:44 am

Nice! The Ustream version seems quite a bit sharper, but I'm sure plenty will appreciate this.

Ustream has me stumped.  It's the only thing I've been unable to capture/record with Net Transport, whereas I've been able to record every other thing I've wanted to watch on delay of the other internet video sources I watch.

FYI, m 720p HD postings comes directly from c-band satellite, not from any HD streaming sources on the net.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 05/13/2011 08:59 pm
From NASA via Twitter:

Quote
Did you know NASA TV is available in HD? If you're not seeing it, contact your cable or satellite provider. http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

http://twitter.com/#!/NASA/status/69004460965367808
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 05/13/2011 10:19 pm
From NASA via Twitter:

Quote
Did you know NASA TV is available in HD? If you're not seeing it, contact your cable or satellite provider. http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

http://twitter.com/#!/NASA/status/69004460965367808


I sent an email to Sky in the UK on the 0.000001% chance they decide to somehow get even NASA SD in Europe.  ;D
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/14/2011 08:41 am
From NASA via Twitter:

Quote
Did you know NASA TV is available in HD? If you're not seeing it, contact your cable or satellite provider. http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

http://twitter.com/#!/NASA/status/69004460965367808


Hey NASA.  I have been contacting my provider.  Even though I get it from c-band satellite, I use DISH Network for my pay channels and I"m trying to help those who only have DISH and not have the c-band dish for extra goodies  get the channel.


Since the HD channels the providers add seem to feature programming with content that you woudl see from the seedy side of town, I suppose NASA HD won't be added unless there is a documentary or reality show about the seedy side of astronaut love triangles.  ;)


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 05/18/2011 04:11 am
From NASA via Twitter:

Quote
Did you know NASA TV is available in HD? If you're not seeing it, contact your cable or satellite provider. http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

http://twitter.com/#!/NASA/status/69004460965367808


I sent an email to Sky in the UK on the 0.000001% chance they decide to somehow get even NASA SD in Europe.  ;D

Just to follow up on that, I got a reply from Sky in the UK and it was as expected.

To get NASA SD or HD in Europe it would have to be broadcast on a European satellite and that would cost money, So unless an agreement is made with NASA to include adverts or have the channel cost a subscription, It won't ever be in Europe.

Ustream it is then..  :D
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 05/18/2011 09:51 am
From NASA via Twitter:

Quote
Did you know NASA TV is available in HD? If you're not seeing it, contact your cable or satellite provider. http://www.nasa.gov/ntv

http://twitter.com/#!/NASA/status/69004460965367808


I sent an email to Sky in the UK on the 0.000001% chance they decide to somehow get even NASA SD in Europe.  ;D

Just to follow up on that, I got a reply from Sky in the UK and it was as expected.

To get NASA SD or HD in Europe it would have to be broadcast on a European satellite and that would cost money, So unless an agreement is made with NASA to include adverts or have the channel cost a subscription, It won't ever be in Europe.

Ustream it is then..  :D
That is true. That's why I am always waiting for the HD replays Links from rsmath :)
Currently I am watching Docking to ISS on Ustream... :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/19/2011 09:58 am

STS-134 launch in HD.  720P, about 725 MB or so.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20342891/sts134_launch_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20343003/sts134_launch_hd_mp4_002


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/19/2011 09:58 am

STS-134 Launch replays in HD.  720P about 750 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20342803/sts134_launch_replays_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20343117/sts134_launch_replays_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Jester on 05/19/2011 06:08 pm
thanks !
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/20/2011 11:21 am

STS-134 FD 1 Highlights in HD - 720p H264 AVC format, about 1.3 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20345635/sts134_fd1_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20345764/sts134_fd1_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20345880/sts134_fd1_hd_mp4_003


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 05/21/2011 03:52 pm
Thanks you so much for links rsmath.
Downloaded and added to my collection. :)
I watch them on my 42 inches flat Sony TV.. Nice quality.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/21/2011 09:22 pm

STS-134 FD 2 highlights in HD - H264 AVC format, 720p; about 850 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20348460/sts134_fd2_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20348565/sts134_fd2_hd_mp4_002



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/21/2011 09:23 pm

STS-134 - Legacy of Endeavour short video.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 450 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20348698/sts134_legacy_of_endeavour_hd_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/21/2011 09:24 pm

STS-134 FD 4 highlights in HD - H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 1.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20351289/sts134_fd4_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20351506/sts134_fd4_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20351626/sts134_fd4_hd_mp4_003



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 05/22/2011 02:10 am
Anyone elses Ustream HD been frozen for hours now? Tried the iPad feed too but it's frozen also.

Currently watching in SD a little disapointed.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Furner on 05/22/2011 02:47 am
Anyone elses Ustream HD been frozen for hours now? Tried the iPad feed too but it's frozen also.

Currently watching in SD a little disapointed.
same here
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 05/22/2011 04:45 am
It's been fixed now.  :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 05/22/2011 09:42 pm
The iPhone NASA app was not frozen when I checked at the same time UStream was down.  I think they have their own independent HD stream. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 05/23/2011 01:51 pm
The iPhone NASA app was not frozen when I checked at the same time UStream was down.  I think they have their own independent HD stream. 

I believe the iphone stream is just an SD downversion of the HD stream. The iPad stream was also down which is HD at around 1.5-2mb/s.

Also at the time the player on www.nasa.gov/ntv worked fine until it changed to the HD feed and it was frozen to, So I think that player changes depending on your internet speed - which is good to know.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 05/23/2011 02:34 pm
Not sure how related, but the 1200k yahoo feed is down as well, but the 500 is still going
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/24/2011 12:53 pm

STS-134 FD5 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720P resolution, about 1 GB in filesize.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20354619/sts134_fd5_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20354802/sts134_fd5_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20354930/sts134_fd5_hd_mp4_003


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/24/2011 12:54 pm
STS-134 FD6 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720P resolution, about 1 GB filesize.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20358661/sts134_fd6_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20358772/sts134_fd6_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20358897/sts134_fd6_hd_mp4_003




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/26/2011 01:39 pm

STS-134 FD7 Highlights in HD - H264 AVC 720P format, about 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20364560/sts134_fd7_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20364640/sts134_fd7_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20365840/sts134_fd7_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/26/2011 01:40 pm

STS-134 FD8 highlights in HD - H264 AVC 720P format, just over 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20365005/sts134_fd8_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20365318/sts134_fd8_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20366073/sts134_fd8_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 05/27/2011 03:02 pm
Thanks you very much for your hard work..
I really appreciate your contribution rsmath :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/28/2011 10:41 am

STS-134 FD9 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC, 720P format.  About 1.3GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20368252/sts134_fd9_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20368498/sts134_fd9_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20371937/sts134_fd9_hd_mp4_003


BTW, I messed up splitting and uploading FD10 and 11 to filefront, so I'm going to have to redo those and get them uplinked to gamefront.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/28/2011 09:28 pm

STS-134 FD 10 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20374713/sts134_fd10_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20375172/sts134_fd10_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20375814/sts134_fd10_hd_mp4_003
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/28/2011 09:31 pm
STS-134 FD11 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 800 MB in size. 

Note: Some of the PAO events have occasional minor glitches and I haven't figured out why there was a problem with capture or processing.  I will try to post a flawless copy if I can find a replay of this FD11 highlights later in the mission.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20374272/sts134_fd11_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20374512/sts134_fd11_hd_mp4_002



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/28/2011 09:32 pm

STS-134 FD12 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20375416/sts134_fd12_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20375637/sts134_fd12_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20375991/sts134_fd12_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: yg1968 on 05/28/2011 11:53 pm
I just saw the NASA STS-134 Ascent Hightlights that played a few minutes ago on NASA TV. It's one spectacular video, hopefully rsmath will capture and post it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/29/2011 07:46 am
I just saw the NASA STS-134 Ascent Hightlights that played a few minutes ago on NASA TV. It's one spectacular video, hopefully rsmath will capture and post it.

nope, didn't capture it.  Not listed in the TV schedule that I can see and I didn't receive a heads-up on it (with enough notice to set a timer).

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/29/2011 07:48 am
I just saw the NASA STS-134 Ascent Hightlights that played a few minutes ago on NASA TV. It's one spectacular video, hopefully rsmath will capture and post it.

nope, didn't capture it.  Not listed in the TV schedule that I can see and I didn't receive a heads-up on it (with enough notice to set a timer).

I did with dumb-luck get the SRB cameras footage when NASA decided to feed that instead of a flight day highlight during one of my timers but that footage isn't in HD unfortunately.




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/30/2011 09:02 am

STS-134 FD 13 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.1 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20378751/sts134_fd13_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20378991/sts134_fd13_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20379281/sts134_fd13_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: stormymondays on 05/30/2011 04:00 pm
Hi everyone - first post here!

This is Jorge from Spain. My band Stormy Mondays won the Space Rock NASA contest, and our song will be played for the wake up call of the last mission day.

The song "Sunrise Number 1" will be played Tuesday, May 31 at 5:56 p.m. EDT.

It would mean a lot for us to have video of the wake up call. I found some software (Jaksta) that can capture the uStream live stream with my Mac , but I'm not sure how reliable it is or if that's the best quality that we could get.

So - I hope someone will be able to help us and record this unrepeatable moment for us!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Longhorn John on 05/30/2011 04:11 pm
Congratulations :) Hope it's a good song ;)

We cover each flight day here live, capturing updates, videos, photos and screenshots.

Look....

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?board=4.0

So it will be captured on there at least if you have problems.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: kartmarc on 05/30/2011 08:48 pm
Hello everybody,

As it seems that several of you are close to NASA people (or at least closer than I am !) so I guess it is worth to say it... can anyone suggest the following to someone from NASA medias ?

As the last shuttle mission approaches, it would be great to get new and unusual videos from NASA, like for example :

- instead of static camera, to follow the launch preparations from a cameraman who would go with the astronauts from the elevator to the astrovan, inside it, and up to the whit room, with ambient sound ! previously recorded videos instead of live videos would also be great.
- HD launch video from inside the cockpit, with ambient sound and astronauts live comms
- shuttle landing in formation with 2 or 3 T-38 airplanes... could you imagine such an incredible scene as Atlantis touches down ?
- videos from a T-38, as it was for STS-1... but in HD ! I wasn't born in 1981, I couldn't live this event live on TV, it would be an amazing shot for the final mission.

I know these ideas are probably not feasible... but I would have been angry at myself not having tried !

Regards,

kartmarc
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 05/31/2011 10:37 am
Hello everybody,

As it seems that several of you are close to NASA people (or at least closer than I am !) so I guess it is worth to say it... can anyone suggest the following to someone from NASA medias ?

As the last shuttle mission approaches, it would be great to get new and unusual videos from NASA, like for example :

- instead of static camera, to follow the launch preparations from a cameraman who would go with the astronauts from the elevator to the astrovan, inside it, and up to the whit room, with ambient sound ! previously recorded videos instead of live videos would also be great.
- HD launch video from inside the cockpit, with ambient sound and astronauts live comms
- shuttle landing in formation with 2 or 3 T-38 airplanes... could you imagine such an incredible scene as Atlantis touches down ?
- videos from a T-38, as it was for STS-1... but in HD ! I wasn't born in 1981, I couldn't live this event live on TV, it would be an amazing shot for the final mission.

I know these ideas are probably not feasible... but I would have been angry at myself not having tried !

Regards,

kartmarc

NASA should be making more use of the GoPro 1080p cameras, You can even get a kit to hook two together for 3D. *hopes someone places some around the launch pad for STS-135*  ;D

You can see a Gopro stuck on the side of the astrovan here: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-134/hires/sts134-s-006.jpg but who knows if that was a NASA one or another media person, Either way we didn't see any footage from it in highlights videos etc.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 05/31/2011 10:00 pm

STS-134 FD 14 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.2 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20386833/sts134_fd14_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20387036/sts134_fd14_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20387255/sts134_fd14_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: nickn on 06/01/2011 02:17 am
Thank you so much rsmath for posting these!!!!! It is really nice to be able to watch the mission in high quality. Also for anyone that cares I think FD14 has the best earth, station, and shuttle views taken during the mission so far. There is about 5 minutes of true HD, not upsampled SD, footage taken from the Cupola. It is really nice to say the least.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/01/2011 03:06 am

Per a request, STS-134 FD17 wakeup call.  About 300 MB in size, H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20388917/sts134_fd17_wakeup_song_mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: bashlsdir on 06/01/2011 05:13 pm
I watched the complete Shuttle launch and landing and was fascinated.
Since we are heading towards the last ever Shuttle launch, does this mean will get live broadcasts of the Soyuz launches on the NASA HD channel?

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Space Pete on 06/01/2011 05:16 pm
Already done - the last Soyuz launch (TMA-21) was broadcast in HD.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2011/apr/HQ_M11-072_Soyuz_HD.html
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Carl G on 06/01/2011 05:56 pm
Welcome to the site's forum. This is a NASA TV question, so I've merge it into one of those threads and PM you the location.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: stormymondays on 06/02/2011 01:42 pm

Per a request, STS-134 FD17 wakeup call.  About 300 MB in size, H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20388917/sts134_fd17_wakeup_song_mp4

Thanks a lot for capturing and posting this! :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/04/2011 01:09 pm

STS-134 FD15 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 950MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20397940/sts134_fd15_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20398237/sts134_fd15_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/04/2011 01:10 pm

STS-134 FD 16 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 1.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20398485/sts134_fd16_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20398732/sts134_fd16_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20398956/sts134_fd16_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: nickn on 06/04/2011 05:52 pm
Is there anyway to get the video files from old missions? Most of the links posted here from missions before STS-132 are dead.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/04/2011 10:58 pm

STS-134 Landing in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 600 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20399158/sts134_landing_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20401567/sts134_landing_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/04/2011 10:59 pm

STS-134 Landing Replays in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 350MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20401984/sts134_landing_replays_mp4


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/04/2011 11:01 pm

STS-134 Entry Flight Director loop in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 350 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20402307/sts134_flight_entry_director_loop_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/04/2011 11:02 pm

STS-134 Crew Walkaround in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 510 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20401807/sts134_crew_walkaround_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/06/2011 12:53 pm

STS-134 Mission Highlights.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 1 hour in length and over 2 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20405891/sts134_mission_highlights_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20406267/sts134_mission_highlights_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20406625/sts134_mission_highlights_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20407051/sts134_mission_highlights_mp4_004

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20407081/sts134_mission_highlights_mp4_005

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: PCGeekTom on 06/08/2011 04:33 pm
Thanks for the HD captures rsmath, really great for archiving. Cheers!

-Tom
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 06/08/2011 07:05 pm
The Soyuz undock HD video has started coming through today.  It will probably appear in the Video File segments, and possibly during the ISS Update segments.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 06/08/2011 07:12 pm
It was in the video file and is already posted in HD on their YouTube site.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/11/2011 10:53 pm


STS-134/ISS stack as seen from the Soyuz during a flyby after undock.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, HD clip is from the NASA Video File.  About 400MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20426170/soyuz_photo_video_of_sts134_and_iss_docked_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/11/2011 10:53 pm

NASA Video File footage in HD of the STS-135 crew checking out hardware at KSC.   H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 200 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20426284/sts135_crew_equipment_checkout_mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/21/2011 02:05 pm

Expedition 28 launch highlights in HD (NASA Video File item about the launch).  720p resolution, H264 AVC format.  About 850 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT or DOS Copy or other methods to combine the two parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20430330/expedition_28_launch_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20430586/expedition_28_launch_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 06/23/2011 06:30 pm
NASA should be making more use of the GoPro 1080p cameras, You can even get a kit to hook two together for 3D. *hopes someone places some around the launch pad for STS-135*  ;D

You can see a Gopro stuck on the side of the astrovan here: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/shuttle/sts-134/hires/sts134-s-006.jpg but who knows if that was a NASA one or another media person, Either way we didn't see any footage from it in highlights videos etc.

And today I spotted a 3D GoPro setup on the Astrovan! WOoo! Hope we'll see some of the footage one day.  :o

http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/images/large/2011-4797.jpg
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/08/2011 02:41 am
Bumping up for STS-135 coverage.  I know I promised to update the FAQ with all of the newer sources for watching NASA TV HD online, and apologize for not getting to it. The last six months have been crazy for me but it's calming down now.  Will do it in the next few days for sure!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/08/2011 04:53 pm
For the record, NASA TV apparently had an audio problem during the ascent, from about T+3min to T+4min, specifically from 11:31:50 ET to 11:33:15 ET.  Audio dropped to silence on all 4 public services in the satellite multiplex.  Video was working throughout, although hard to tell because it was the ET shot and the clouds were barely moving below.  The bug was rotating though.  I guess their audio switcher crashed or something.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 07/08/2011 05:39 pm
For the record, NASA TV apparently had an audio problem during the ascent, from about T+3min to T+4min, specifically from 11:31:50 ET to 11:33:15 ET.  Audio dropped to silence on all 4 public services in the satellite multiplex.  Video was working throughout, although hard to tell because it was the ET shot and the clouds were barely moving below.  The bug was rotating though.  I guess their audio switcher crashed or something.


Oddly the sound disappears when the 'D' in the black box near bottom right vanishes. Never seen the D before.. Oh and the sound does come back when the D does too.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 07/08/2011 05:41 pm
For the record, NASA TV apparently had an audio problem during the ascent, from about T+3min to T+4min, specifically from 11:31:50 ET to 11:33:15 ET.  Audio dropped to silence on all 4 public services in the satellite multiplex.  Video was working throughout, although hard to tell because it was the ET shot and the clouds were barely moving below.  The bug was rotating though.  I guess their audio switcher crashed or something.

Appreciate that note -- definitely noticed that here. (And also that 'rotating' character on the NTV feed...it was there all morning, hope it's gone.)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: saturnapollo on 07/08/2011 06:24 pm
Quote
Oddly the sound disappears when the 'D' in the black box near bottom right vanishes.

Whilst the crew were getting into Atlantis the black box cycled through various keyboard symbols as though someone was typing!

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Pheogh on 07/08/2011 06:27 pm
Has there been any news regarding the ET camera extended recording? anyone seen anything from it yet?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/08/2011 06:33 pm
There are about 15 posts on this already in the FD1 thread :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: nickn on 07/09/2011 03:59 am
RSMATH, will you will be recording the daily highlight's again? That would be awesome!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/09/2011 09:13 am
RSMATH, will you will be recording the daily highlight's again? That would be awesome!

that's the plan.  I'm proofing FD1 HD highlights now to make sure the encoding didn't mess up and I should be uploading it starting soon.

I also have other STS-135 material to process, proof and post eventually (RSS retraction, crew arrival at KSC earlier this week, launch and launch replays, etc) and shuttle documentary that NASA aired earlier in the week, etc.

 




Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 07/09/2011 11:50 am
For the record, NASA TV apparently had an audio problem during the ascent, from about T+3min to T+4min, specifically from 11:31:50 ET to 11:33:15 ET.  Audio dropped to silence on all 4 public services in the satellite multiplex.  Video was working throughout, although hard to tell because it was the ET shot and the clouds were barely moving below.  The bug was rotating though.  I guess their audio switcher crashed or something.
I'm asking around here about getting a copy of the clean audio of launch, but it's a little early on a Saturday morning.  The ACR folks did post a 1 GB WAV file:
http://www.archive.org/download/STS-135/07-08-11_STS-135_Launch.wav

That's a little big to be downloading on a bandwidth leash.  Has anybody checked this to see if the audio covers the NASA TV broadcast outage?

If I find out anything further, I'll update.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: GoForTLI on 07/09/2011 04:28 pm
For the record, NASA TV apparently had an audio problem during the ascent, from about T+3min to T+4min, specifically from 11:31:50 ET to 11:33:15 ET.  Audio dropped to silence on all 4 public services in the satellite multiplex.  Video was working throughout, although hard to tell because it was the ET shot and the clouds were barely moving below.  The bug was rotating though.  I guess their audio switcher crashed or something.
I'm asking around here about getting a copy of the clean audio of launch, but it's a little early on a Saturday morning.  The ACR folks did post a 1 GB WAV file:
http://www.archive.org/download/STS-135/07-08-11_STS-135_Launch.wav (http://www.archive.org/download/STS-135/07-08-11_STS-135_Launch.wav)

That's a little big to be downloading on a bandwidth leash.  Has anybody checked this to see if the audio covers the NASA TV broadcast outage?

If I find out anything further, I'll update.

Hey, what's 1 more GB when I've already blown the bandwidth budget with L2. :)

Just listened, and this file doesn't have the audio dropout.  The recording starts just prior to the hold at T-9 with BFS preflight uplink loading and ends just after ET sep.  What this file includes that we initially missed is:

The 2 ENG TAL readback
CAPCOM noting launch was in-plane +2:30 for the ECAL contingency pages
Updated no-comm abort VIs for PTA and PTM
The NEGATIVE RETURN call



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 07/09/2011 04:40 pm
Hey, what's 1 more GB when I've already blown the bandwidth budget with L2. :)
It's a lot on the road -- only get 5 GB per month for this. :)

Just listened, and this file doesn't have the audio dropout.  The recording starts just prior to the hold at T-9 with BFS preflight uplink loading and ends just after ET sep.  What this file includes that we initially missed is:

The 2 ENG TAL readback
CAPCOM noting launch was in-plane +2:30 for the ECAL contingency pages
Updated no-comm abort VIs for PTA and PTM
The NEGATIVE RETURN call
Cool -- thanks for checking.  That will do at a minimum.  (Although it looks like they've changed the file name.)

I'll probably still see about what we can get "clean" from a video standpoint, although IIRC, that embedded graphic was around earlier in the day, too.  I switched over here in time to catch the Negative Return call; the video originating from here was fine, but usually monitor a broadcast channel for commentary and reference.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/10/2011 02:11 pm

STS-135 Crew Arrival during launch week.  H264 AVC (720p resolution), about 480 MB.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20532871/sts135_crew_arrival_video_file_clip_hd_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/10/2011 02:12 pm

STS-135 prelaunch mission profile video.  H264 AVC format (720p resolution) about 450 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20533172/sts135_prelaunch_mission_profile_video_hd_mp4
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/10/2011 02:14 pm

STS-135 Rollout - Video File clip - H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 1.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to combine the 3 files into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20531743/sts135_atlantis_rollout_video_file_clip_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20531974/sts135_atlantis_rollout_video_file_clip_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20532571/sts135_atlantis_rollout_video_file_clip_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/10/2011 02:15 pm

STS-135 FD1 highlights in HD - H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.1 GB in size. 

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods to combine the 3 parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20532181/sts135_fd1_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20532406/sts135_fd1_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20532559/sts135_fd1_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/11/2011 01:47 pm

STS-135 Flight Day 2 Highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 750 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20535735/sts135_fd2_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20535977/sts135_fd2_hd_mp4_002
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/11/2011 01:48 pm

STS-135 Launch in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 840 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20535342/sts135_launch_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20535526/sts135_launch_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 07/11/2011 04:09 pm
Oustanding as always, thanks rsmath!  I just downloaded them all at 100 Mbps, woohoo!

For the record, when that audio outage occurred during the climb to orbit, I immediately dialed up the NASA TV phone line (321-867-1220) and heard the commentary.  So whatever the failure was, it was between their control room and the NASA TV distribution.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/14/2011 07:37 am

STS-135 RPM - not captured in HD by the camera on the ISS, but it was captured from NASA HD channel so it might be the cleanest available video copy of the RPM.

H264 AVC format, about 800 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20538766/sts135_rpm_not_in_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20539062/sts135_rpm_not_in_hd_mp4_002





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/14/2011 07:37 am

STS-135 FD3 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20539355/sts135_fd3_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20539589/sts135_fd3_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20539852/sts135_fd3_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/14/2011 07:38 am
STs-135 FD4 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20549571/sts135_fd4_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20543821/sts135_fd4_hd_mp4_002



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/14/2011 07:39 am

STS-135 FD5 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.2 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20547226/sts135_fd5_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20547616/sts135_fd5_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20548139/sts135_fd5_hd_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20548586/sts135_fd5_hd_mp4_004

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Fixer on 07/15/2011 06:13 pm
STS-135 RPM - not captured in HD by the camera on the ISS

You mean it is in SD? Recently I've seen this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj18UQjPpGA&feature=sh_e_sl&list=SL 

It has HD (?) quality video of shuttle from the ISS, just a few seconds but looks nice. Maybe there's more HD videos from ISS of the shuttle.

Thanks for the videos! It is too bad there are no that guy who describes the video content of this files in HD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 07/15/2011 06:23 pm
STS-135 RPM - not captured in HD by the camera on the ISS

You mean it is in SD? Recently I've seen this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj18UQjPpGA&feature=sh_e_sl&list=SL 

It has HD (?) quality video of shuttle from the ISS, just a few seconds but looks nice. Maybe there's more HD videos from ISS of the shuttle.

Thanks for the videos! It is too bad there are no that guy who describes the video content of this files in HD.

The crew have HD and even 3D video cameras inside ISS which they can point out the windows (possibly where that video is from) but the cameras outside the ISS that are controlled electronically are SD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/18/2011 07:25 am

Per a request, STS-135 Launch (more extended version) from the T-9M polling to ET sep.   H264 AVC format, 720p format, about 1.2 GB.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20551902/sts135_launch_tminus9_polling_to_ET_sep_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20552234/sts135_launch_tminus9_polling_to_ET_sep_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20552463/sts135_launch_tminus9_polling_to_ET_sep_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/18/2011 07:25 am

Behind the Scenes - STS-135 American Meal.

H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 560 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20560171/behind_the_scenes_nasa_food_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/18/2011 07:26 am

STS-135 FD6 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20560615/sts135_fd6_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20560964/sts135_fd6_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/18/2011 07:27 am

STS-135 FD7 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.3 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20561269/sts135_fd7_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20561626/sts135_fd7_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20564372/sts135_fd7_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/18/2011 07:28 am

STS-135 FD8 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.7 GB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20563615/sts135_fd8_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20563801/sts135_fd8_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20564157/sts135_fd8_hd_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20566803/sts135_fd8_hd_mp4_004

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/19/2011 12:55 pm

STS-135 Launch Replays in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 920MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20567979/sts135_launch_replays_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20568224/sts135_launch_replays_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/19/2011 12:56 pm

STS-135 FD9 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 800 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20568903/sts135_fd9_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20569513/sts135_fd9_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/19/2011 12:57 pm

STS-135 FD10 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.17 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20568444/sts135_fd10_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20568658/sts135_fd10_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20569208/sts135_fd10_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/20/2011 10:56 pm

STS-135 FD11 highlights in HD. H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.3 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20571657/sts135_fd11_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20571886/sts135_fd11_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20575347/sts135_fd11_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/20/2011 10:57 pm

STS-135 FD12 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.4 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20575843/sts135_fd12_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20576142/sts135_fd12_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20576465/sts135_fd12_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: nickn on 07/20/2011 10:57 pm
Rsmath, I know I am already bugging you with video requests but if there is one video that gets on here, please make it be the STS-135 Accent Imagery Highlights. I honestly think that clip is the most epic video of the space shuttle ever compiled. Thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/20/2011 10:58 pm

STS-135 Ascent Imagery Highlights in HD.  H264 AVC, 720p resolution, about 690 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20576742/sts135_ascent_imagery_highlights_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20576974/sts135_ascent_imagery_highlights_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/20/2011 11:00 pm

An exclusive post to this thread:

STS-135 Guest Commentary - Lead Video Editor.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.  About 360 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20577193/sts135_guest_commentary_lead_video_editor_mp4

Does anyone know if there is an archive of these guese commentaries on the web?  I think I checked NASA TV one day in the middle of the Television Group guest commentator a few days ago and I wasn't able to find a replay before crew wakeup.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/20/2011 11:06 pm
please make it be the STS-135 Accent Imagery Highlights. I honestly think that clip is the most epic video of the space shuttle ever compiled. Thanks!

Lucked out this mission to get the AIH.  In past missions, I normally haven't done as extensive of capturing as I have done this mission.  It also helped that they aired it more than once this mission making it easier to grab it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 07/24/2011 02:09 pm
For the record, NASA TV apparently had an audio problem during the ascent, from about T+3min to T+4min, specifically from 11:31:50 ET to 11:33:15 ET.  Audio dropped to silence on all 4 public services in the satellite multiplex.  Video was working throughout, although hard to tell because it was the ET shot and the clouds were barely moving below.  The bug was rotating though.  I guess their audio switcher crashed or something.
I'm asking around here about getting a copy of the clean audio of launch, but it's a little early on a Saturday morning.  The ACR folks did post a 1 GB WAV file:
http://www.archive.org/download/STS-135/07-08-11_STS-135_Launch.wav
Another postscript to this -- just saw the HDNet coverage and they had a clean feed there, just as JSC did.  (I.e., without the NASA TV "HQ overlay + audio mute" feature.)

Unfortunately, I was recording the ET camera feed; fortunately, Houston ACR provided a full copy of the audio that should have been broadcast from T-9 minutes and holding through about T+10 minutes.  The link I originally posted was updated; this is the link:
http://www.archive.org/download/STS-135/07-08-11_STS-135_FD01_Launch.wav

(The audio without commentary is provided in the FD1 archive -- there's a LOT of interesting stuff in there.)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 07/24/2011 04:27 pm
Hi rsmath ,

Do you plan to upload STS-135 Landing and post landing in mp4 format ?
We here in Europe could only see this success from Nasa or UStream in flash format at 96 Kbp/s low res.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/25/2011 10:44 am

STS-135 FD13 highlights in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.4 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20583821/sts135_fd13_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20584158/sts135_fd13_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20584422/sts135_fd13_hd_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20584581/sts135_fd13_hd_mp4_004

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/25/2011 10:47 am
Do you plan to upload STS-135 Landing and post landing in mp4 format ?
We here in Europe could only see this success from Nasa or UStream in flash format at 96 Kbp/s low res.
Thanks :)


working on it.  A quit-swearingload ton of processing to do post landing with all the events so it's going to take a while to get everything up.

BTW, any interest in landing from the deorbit burn polling to when the astronauts drive off in the van from the SLF?  It won't be in HD because it's 8GB and would probably take me a year to get uploaded (grin)  but I can probably do it in about 2-3 GB in a 16:9 widescreen SD version processed from a HD source so it should look relatively clean for SD I would think.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/25/2011 10:48 am

STS-135 Landing.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 470 MB.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20591069/sts135_landing_hd_mp4

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/25/2011 10:49 am

STS-135 Landing Replay.  H264 AVC, 720p resolution, about  250 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20591147/sts135_landing_replays_mp4

I think I like the rover camera the best!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/25/2011 10:51 am

STS-135 entry flight director footage - H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 970 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20588973/sts135_entry_flight_director_replay_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20592584/sts135_entry_flight_director_replay_mp4_002

Isn't the PAO console a little noisy?!?!?  ;)

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/25/2011 10:52 am

STS-135 Mission Highlights.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 2.1 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20591414/sts135_mission_highlights_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20591654/sts135_mission_highlights_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20591963/sts135_mission_highlights_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20592316/sts135_mission_highlights_mp4_004

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dshaffer on 07/25/2011 11:38 am
Do you plan to upload STS-135 Landing and post landing in mp4 format ?
We here in Europe could only see this success from Nasa or UStream in flash format at 96 Kbp/s low res.
Thanks :)


working on it.  A quit-swearingload ton of processing to do post landing with all the events so it's going to take a while to get everything up.

BTW, any interest in landing from the deorbit burn polling to when the astronauts drive off in the van from the SLF?  It won't be in HD because it's 8GB and would probably take me a year to get uploaded (grin)  but I can probably do it in about 2-3 GB in a 16:9 widescreen SD version processed from a HD source so it should look relatively clean for SD I would think.





I'd like to get the crew walkaround in HD, if possible.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/25/2011 01:15 pm

I'd like to get the crew walkaround in HD, if possible.

good reminder.  That obvious thing wasn't in my queue of stuff to process/upload.  (blush). 

I'll add the clip, including Charlie Bolden mistakenly welcoming home STS-134, to the queue.  ;)

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: BlueScreen on 07/26/2011 05:48 am

STS-135 Landing.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 470 MB.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20591069/sts135_landing_hd_mp4


Thanks you so much rsmath. :)
I will add it to my heavy collection... I already have more than 400 GB files to watch on my flat panel TV. 95% came from your hard work .  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/26/2011 01:43 pm

STS-135 Ellington Field Welcome Home Ceremony.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.35 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20596793/sts135_ellington_field_welcome_home_ceremony_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20597061/sts135_ellington_field_welcome_home_ceremony_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20597318/sts135_ellington_field_welcome_home_ceremony_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20597741/sts135_ellington_field_welcome_home_ceremony_mp4_004

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/26/2011 01:44 pm

Space Shuttle Launching Our Dreams feature - 1.1 GB in size. H264 AVC format, 720p resolution.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20596277/space_shuttle_launching_our_dreams_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20596536/space_shuttle_launching_our_dreams_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20597603/space_shuttle_launching_our_dreams_hd_mp4_003

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dxrt on 07/27/2011 08:37 am
For anyone with a Mac or Linux (you may need to install 'curl'), this will download the iPad HD stream:

Doesn't seem to work for me. It will buffer to 100% and create a 11.7MB file. Then say starting continuous recording and not write anything to the file. :-\ Though NASA TV on my iPhone is looping so I suspect something on their end is not right.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 07/27/2011 05:06 pm
For anyone with a Mac or Linux (you may need to install 'curl'), this will download the iPad HD stream:

Doesn't seem to work for me. It will buffer to 100% and create a 11.7MB file. Then say starting continuous recording and not write anything to the file. :-\ Though NASA TV on my iPhone is looping so I suspect something on their end is not right.

Their Ustream HD feed is broken too, As is my Ipad HD feed. Think it's NASA this time.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/27/2011 05:47 pm
UStreamHD is working fine for me...

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 07/27/2011 05:54 pm
UStreamHD is working fine for me...

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ustream.html

Isn't in HD for me, Very pixelated, SD.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/27/2011 05:59 pm
Ahh - I see. I'll send them a note.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 07/27/2011 06:11 pm
Ahh - I see. I'll send them a note.

Very appreciated, thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 07/27/2011 06:56 pm
NASA checked UStream and say it's going to them fine, so it might be a UStream thing. They are looking at the iPad issue. They originally checked on an iPhone since the streams are supposed to be the same and it's fine there - but I just heard back that they did confirm the iPad issue and are working on it.

 - Rob
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2011 01:52 pm

Space Shuttle documentary narrated by William Shatner.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 2.9 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20604841/nasa_television_space_shuttle_documentary_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20605181/nasa_television_space_shuttle_documentary_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20605502/nasa_television_space_shuttle_documentary_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20605836/nasa_television_space_shuttle_documentary_mp4_004

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20610480/nasa_television_space_shuttle_documentary_mp4_005

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20610205/nasa_television_space_shuttle_documentary_mp4_006

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2011 01:54 pm

STS-135 extended prelanding coverage - widescreen *SD* format.  About 900 MB.  Covers the flight director poll for deorbit burn, callup to the crew to confirm go for deorbit burn and all the way to wheelstop.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20608533/sts135_extended_prelanding_avi_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20608950/sts135_extended_prelanding_avi_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2011 01:57 pm

STS-135 extended postlanding coverage - widescreen *SD* format, about 900 MB.   Covers approach to Floriday through landing and the astronauts driving away from the SLF.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20608207/sts135_extended_postlanding_avi_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20609467/sts135_extended_postlanding_avi_002



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2011 01:58 pm

STS-135 crew and family leaves KSC for JSC after the mission is over. H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about
200 MB in size.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20615282/sts135_crew_leave_ksc_for_jsc_after_mission_completed_mp4


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2011 01:59 pm

STS-135 entry flight director signoff.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 730 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20613269/sts135__entry_flight_director_signoff_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20613522/sts135__entry_flight_director_signoff_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2011 02:00 pm

STS-135 crew walkaround.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 920 MB in size. 

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20612582/sts135_crew_walkaround_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20612785/sts135_crew_walkaround_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/30/2011 02:02 pm

STS-135 crew comments at the Employee Recognition Event  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 700 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20613022/sts135_crew_comments_at_employee_recognition_event_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20613725/sts135_crew_comments_at_employee_recognition_event_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 07/30/2011 02:05 pm
Thanks for all these.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dxrt on 07/31/2011 02:03 am
Has anyone been able to do anything with these .TS files that the HTML 5 stream produces? I have tried FFMPEGX and handbrake. FF doesn't recognse the file, handbrake does, however produces an empty file when I try to convert it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/31/2011 07:44 am
Has anyone been able to do anything with these .TS files that the HTML 5 stream produces? I have tried FFMPEGX and handbrake. FF doesn't recognse the file, handbrake does, however produces an empty file when I try to convert it.

What are you recording?  A Ustream stream or...?  I'd be curious to try things if I knew what you were referencing as far as what stream (URL) you are capturing video from. 

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dxrt on 07/31/2011 08:02 am
Has anyone been able to do anything with these .TS files that the HTML 5 stream produces? I have tried FFMPEGX and handbrake. FF doesn't recognse the file, handbrake does, however produces an empty file when I try to convert it.

What are you recording?  A Ustream stream or...?  I'd be curious to try things if I knew what you were referencing as far as what stream (URL) you are capturing video from. 


My bad, I am referring to this:

For anyone with a Mac or Linux (you may need to install 'curl'), this will download the iPad HD stream:
Change the "saveto" and "filename" fields as needed.

Once running, it will keep recording until you close the terminal window or press CTRL-C.

Script that Naito made.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/31/2011 08:47 am

sorry I can't help as I dont' run a MAC or Linux or even have an iPAD.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dxrt on 07/31/2011 09:00 am

sorry I can't help as I dont' run a MAC or Linux or even have an iPAD.


There is actually a windows version of the script here: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.msg731160#msg731160

It doesn't require you to have an iPad.. What it does is it uses the iPad HD stream, which NASA made specifically for iPads. It is in HTML 5 I believe, which weirdly splits the pieces of video into 10 second intervals. This script downloads the pieces as they come and joins them together. The result a 1280*720 .TS file. Basically an alternative to saving the NASA HD Ustream feed (Which seems fairly impossible).
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 07/31/2011 02:19 pm

ok, I'll check out the Windows script in the next few days and see if I can edit the resulting TS file with either one of my two video processing programs (the same ones I use to process satellite .TS recorded files).

I concur about Ustream - I've never been able to record any Ustream video or find a program that will work to record Ustream content.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/02/2011 01:33 pm
Per a request, the STS-135 crew honors both the ISS and shuttle flight control teams.  Great material that probably doesn't see the light of day outside of the agency often!

H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 45 minutes - clip taken from NASA Video File.   About 1.65 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20622777/sts135_crew_honors_flight_control_teams_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20623075/sts135_crew_honors_flight_control_teams_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20623392/sts135_crew_honors_flight_control_teams_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20623582/sts135_crew_honors_flight_control_teams_mp4_004


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: dxrt on 08/03/2011 06:35 am

ok, I'll check out the Windows script in the next few days and see if I can edit the resulting TS file with either one of my two video processing programs (the same ones I use to process satellite .TS recorded files).


I have kept on trying, to no success. I have a feeling they are encrypted and such the video converter would not process them. Oddly the only player I can get to play them is quicktime, not VLC.

Edit - I just tried exporting them out of Quicktime on a Mac. That works fine. Crashes halfway through, hmm.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/03/2011 09:05 am

here's my update - downloaded curl, ran batch file, recorded NASA TV (.TS filetype) fine.  Couldn't play the recording in VLC but i could my Media Player Classic.  Opened up the file in videoredo and videoredo crashed when trying to convert it to a different file format.  I meant to see how TMPGENC 4.0 XPRESS would handle it but I forgot to do that today and that program is on a different PC so I can't do it right this minute.

Seems quite the odd ".TS" file that it seems to be picky on what will play it and maybe even what program might be able to process/convert it.  I know Videoredo can't (and if VLC can't play it, you can't use VLC's built-in conversion program, either) so that makes at least two apps that can't handle it properly.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/03/2011 10:17 pm
STS-135 Rotating Service Structure retraction - H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.6 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20630843/sts135_rotating_service_structure_retraction_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20631178/sts135_rotating_service_structure_retraction_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20631452/sts135_rotating_service_structure_retraction_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20631673/sts135_rotating_service_structure_retraction_mp4_004

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/03/2011 10:18 pm

History of Shuttle Atlantis feature in HD.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 600 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20631856/shuttle_atlantis_history_video_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20632018/shuttle_atlantis_history_video_hd_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Furner on 08/04/2011 07:56 pm
Does anyone else use the Yahoo streaming links for NASA TV? I use them for my XBMC media computer, and they seemed to have stopped working.  Looks like all they offering now is flash and quicktime, neither of which I can use with XBMC.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: alexw on 08/05/2011 04:03 pm
Does anyone else use the Yahoo streaming links for NASA TV? I use them for my XBMC media computer, and they seemed to have stopped working.  Looks like all they offering now is flash and quicktime, neither of which I can use with XBMC.
     Yes, the 1200kbs Yahoo stream seems broke or gone for me, too. I'd be fine with Quicktime if VLC can play it. NASA's streams seems to be 320x200. Are there any decent or high quality non-flash feeds?
    Thanks,
   -Alex
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ugordan on 08/05/2011 04:04 pm
Is it only me or is NASA's HD Ustream feed running at only half the normal framerate?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 08/05/2011 04:22 pm
They've told me that nothing changes on their side, but UStream sometimes turns down the spigot.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 08/12/2011 03:10 pm
As of this morning UStream is running their HD feed at telephone modem resolution. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 08/12/2011 06:00 pm
Download mplayer2-2.0-windows-x86.zip form http://www.mplayer2.org/

Extract mplayer2-2.0-windows-x86.zip to directory c:\nasat-tv

Make a batch file play.bat

mplayer.exe NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8

Download NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8 form http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8 to directory c:\nasa-tv

Edit  NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8

Choose a stream you want to use and remove all other streams
 
#EXTM3U
#EXT-X-STREAM-INF:PROGRAM-ID=1, BANDWIDTH=1080434
http://liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8

and start play.bat


I have not tested on a "clean" windows pc. it is possible that a codec is missing



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 08/12/2011 06:14 pm
The above is to play the HD feed, right?  Or is it to just download?  I get a command prompt window saying "Playing NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8", with some other format detected stuff and a few variant streams found, but it's not actually playing a video..
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 08/12/2011 06:45 pm
Yes to play

try to install K-Lite_Codec_Pack_750_Full

http://www.free-codecs.com/k_lite_codec_pack_download.htm

advanced install

profile 8 (without player)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 08/13/2011 02:02 am
I'm able to play it without K-Lite.  The K-Lite setup says I have Oggscodec already, whatever that is. 

I'm playing the BANDWIDTH=1080434 stream (1280x720) and it looks pretty good, although it is quite delayed compared to the nearly live USTREAM.   Also it says
***Your system is too SLOW to play this!*** although my CPU load is only 12%.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/13/2011 09:19 pm

STS-135 Crew Resource Reel - H.264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 3 GB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20665738/sts135_crew_resource_reel_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20669378/sts135_crew_resource_reel_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20669631/sts135_crew_resource_reel_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20669940/sts135_crew_resource_reel_mp4_004

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20666228/sts135_crew_resource_reel_mp4_005

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20666541/sts135_crew_resource_reel_mp4_006



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 08/13/2011 11:36 pm
Still only getting a command prompt box - and no video..  even after installing K-Lite.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 08/14/2011 05:18 pm
Make sure your NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8 file has only one stream url uncommented:

#EXT-X-STREAM-INF:PROGRAM-ID=1, BANDWIDTH=1080434
http://liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ford Mustang on 08/14/2011 07:20 pm
Make sure your NTV-Public-IPS.m3u8 file has only one stream url uncommented:

#EXT-X-STREAM-INF:PROGRAM-ID=1, BANDWIDTH=1080434
http://liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8


Aha.  Didn't edit the m3u8 file.  All is good now.  Thanks!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 08/15/2011 10:12 pm
As of now the liveips NASA HD stream from msfc has been dropped and a low resolution NASA TV stream is in its place.   Also the iPhone NASA app HD stream has been derezzed to below the iPhone resolution.  So currently there is no HD stream available.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/16/2011 02:59 pm

Discovery and Endeavour swap places at KSC with a photo opportunity of the two shuttles near each other.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, source is NASA video file.  About 900 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20677296/discovery_and_endeavour_swap_places_at_ksc_august_2011_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20679285/discovery_and_endeavour_swap_places_at_ksc_august_2011_mp4_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/16/2011 03:00 pm

STS-135 TCDT footage - source NASA Video File.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, about 1.3 GB in size.


Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20678441/sts135_tcdt_video_file_clip_hd_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20678729/sts135_tcdt_video_file_clip_hd_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20679005/sts135_tcdt_video_file_clip_hd_mp4_003

Any other STS-135 stuff I might be missing as I wind down processing?  I hope I"m not missing anything obvious.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: psloss on 08/16/2011 04:44 pm

Discovery and Endeavour swap places at KSC with a photo opportunity of the two shuttles near each other.  H264 AVC format, 720p resolution, source is NASA video file.  About 900 MB in size.

Use HJSPLIT (free software) or other methods such as the DOS COPY command to join the multiple parts into one file.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20677296/discovery_and_endeavour_swap_places_at_ksc_august_2011_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20679285/discovery_and_endeavour_swap_places_at_ksc_august_2011_mp4_002


Thanks for this and the other recent uploads.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/27/2011 01:10 am

NASA TV HD is off the air - the satellite downlink signal is only showing one SD channel and all the other configuration stuff within the DVB-S signal is missing.  Signal locking parameters remain the same so cable/satellite headends using NASA TV SD should have no issues with locking onto the signal and using the same video/audio configuration for the public channel.

I don't know what is going on, but I guess that because NASA TV's primary uplink is in the region Hurricane Irene is headed to, the operation of the channel was transferred to JSC and they don't have the full uplink configuration capability that the primary site has.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 08/27/2011 04:50 pm
Interesting note on NTV Page:

Quote
Program Note:
As a result of Hurricane Irene, NASA Television is in contingency mode. During this time limited programming will be available only the NASA Television Public Channel. All programs will originate from the Johnson Space Center.

Is NASA TV from Washington then?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Ronsmytheiii on 08/27/2011 10:55 pm
Interesting note on NTV Page:

Quote
Program Note:
As a result of Hurricane Irene, NASA Television is in contingency mode. During this time limited programming will be available only the NASA Television Public Channel. All programs will originate from the Johnson Space Center.

Is NASA TV from Washington then?

Langley
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 08/29/2011 04:05 am
Interesting note on NTV Page:

Quote
Program Note:
As a result of Hurricane Irene, NASA Television is in contingency mode. During this time limited programming will be available only the NASA Television Public Channel. All programs will originate from the Johnson Space Center.

Is NASA TV from Washington then?

Langley

Since when?  It has always been uplinked from Goddard in Maryland.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 08/30/2011 11:13 am
I'm pretty sure it's Goddard.  I just know that the uplink (wherever it is) was in the general region or path of the Hurricane.

Things are back to Goddard (or whever it's uplinked) as all the normal channels and configuration stuff are back as I type this.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: g4ayu on 09/08/2011 08:03 am
Trying to find an HD feed for the Grail launch, but not having any success.
Anybody know of one?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 09/08/2011 11:05 am
Trying to find an HD feed for the Grail launch, but not having any success.
Anybody know of one?

Also looking myself, Their Ustream HD one is worse than SD!  >:(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/08/2011 12:17 pm
Trying to find an HD feed for the Grail launch, but not having any success.
Anybody know of one?

NASA TV HD is my guess.

The launch is on NASA TV and it's launching from Florida so it should be available in HD unless the pad is out of
range of KSC's HD assets.



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: g4ayu on 09/08/2011 12:28 pm


NASA TV HD is my guess.

The launch is on NASA TV and it's launching from Florida so it should be available in HD unless the pad is out of
range of KSC's HD assets.

Thanks but I meant on the internet.
The NASA TV HD internet feed is terrible these days



Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 09/08/2011 01:37 pm


Thanks but I meant on the internet.
The NASA TV HD internet feed is terrible these days

Probably because there is no more shuttle missions. 

I'm glad I get mine direct from space instead of having to scrounge around on the internet looking for a decent HD feed.

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: lcs on 09/08/2011 09:13 pm


Thanks but I meant on the internet.
The NASA TV HD internet feed is terrible these days

Probably because there is no more shuttle missions. 

I'm glad I get mine direct from space instead of having to scrounge around on the internet looking for a decent HD feed.


The last time it was due to Irene washing out the Goddard feed to the satellite.  They are getting torrential rains in Maryland again with the remnants of Lee. 
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 09/08/2011 11:01 pm


Thanks but I meant on the internet.
The NASA TV HD internet feed is terrible these days

Probably because there is no more shuttle missions. 

I'm glad I get mine direct from space instead of having to scrounge around on the internet looking for a decent HD feed.


The last time it was due to Irene washing out the Goddard feed to the satellite.  They are getting torrential rains in Maryland again with the remnants of Lee. 

Their Ustream HD feed has a habbit of turning dialup style, Seems to happen most weekends. It's back to HD now though.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/20/2011 05:56 pm
This morning I tuned into the NASA TV multiplex (on AMC-3) and found that they were in some sort of backup mode.  The carrier was still there with the usual parameters (e.g. 28.111 Msyms) but only contained ONE service, an SD channel called "BACKUP CHANNEL 1" or something like that.

This afternoon it's back to normal, with all 5 services.

They may have been reconfiguring / overhauling their primary encoding system and switched off to the backup to allow that work.  Or just had a failure.  The video bitrates for the services are the same as before:

HQ1  6.08 Mbps
HQ2  4.08 Mbps
HQ3  6.08 Mbps
HQ4  6.08 Mbps
HQ105  14.19 Mbps
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 10/20/2011 06:05 pm
Just noticed also the HD Bug is different.. (And worse in my opinion, It seems to have very rough edges).

The old one is on the left, new on the right.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 10/20/2011 07:18 pm
Hmmm, good catch.  I wonder if they switched to a new production or playout system, and tweaked the graphic in the process.  I'm glad that the bug is still animated -- that's very useful when wondering if the feed has frozen :)
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 12/09/2011 12:17 pm
NASA Television is moving again - note the slight change in symbol rate and the apparent removal of the museum feed, thus leaving more bandwidth for the HD channel.

the LIMO channel is not going from SES-2 (formerly AMC-3) to AMC-18 and will be an occasional Ku-band feed -- lit up when someone in the media needs to access the channel to conduct an interview.

From the NASA Television page:

AMC-18, NASA TV’S New Satellite (Effective Dec. 19, 2011)

Effective Dec. 19, 2011, NASA TV will be available in continental North America, Alaska and Hawaii on AMC-18C. A Digital Video Broadcast (DVB) compliant Integrated Receiver Decoder (IRD) is needed for reception. NASA Television's Public, HD, Media and Education channels will be available at these parameters:

Uplink provider = AMC 18 C
Transponder = 3 C
105 degrees W
C-Band
Downlink Frequency: 3760
Downlink Polarity: Vertical
Transmission Format = DVB-S, 4:2:0
FEC = ¾
Data Rate = 38.80 MHz
Symbol Rate = 28.0681
Modulation: QPSK/DVB-S
MPEG-2 encoding

"Public Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 101 (HQ1)
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x111 hex / 273 decimal
AC-3 PID = 0x115 hex / 277 decimal
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 0x114 hex / 276decimal

"HD Channel" Programming:
HD Program = 105
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x52 hex / 82 decimal
AC-3 Audio PID = 0xEE hex / 238 decimal
MPEG-1 Layer II Audio PID= 0x53 hex / 83 decimal

"Media Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 103 (HQ3)
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x1031 hex / 4145 decimal
AC-3 Audio PID = 0x1035 hex /4149 decimal
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 0x1034 hex /4148 decimal

"Education Channel" Programming:
SD Program = 102 (HQ2)
Compression Format = MPEG-2
Video PID = 0x121 hex / 289 decimal
AC-3 Audio PID = 0x124 hex /292 decimal
MPEG I Layer II Audio PID = 0x125 /293 decimal

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: MP99 on 12/09/2011 01:11 pm
Does anyone know if this is also broadcast via satellite to Europe / UK?

Thanks, Martin
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/09/2011 01:13 pm
Does anyone know if this is also broadcast via satellite to Europe / UK?

Thanks, Martin

NASA TV is only broadcast on that satellite. It's a US-based service. Some events in the past were rebroadcast but not too often.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 12/20/2011 08:06 am
Noticed the Ustream HD feed, Ipad HD Feed and HD feed on NASA TV are all 848x480, AKA not HD. Hope this isn't a scheduled change to save bandwidth. :(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/20/2011 02:16 pm
Message sent to inquire.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/20/2011 02:57 pm
Contact made and they are investigating.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/21/2011 01:35 am
Mapperou - it looks good to me. Can you tell if they fixed it? I'm not sure where you see screen sizes on Ustream to verify.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 12/21/2011 06:18 am
Hiya, Thanks for passing the note along.

I've been using the coded program that was posted in this thread (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=19846.990) and it's worked great, but it was the other day in opening the file in VLC I saw it's down to 848x480 at about 800kb/s rather than the 2-3MB/s it usually is.

It seems to still be at SD today, I shall keep an eye on it.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: MP99 on 12/21/2011 09:30 am
Does anyone know if this is also broadcast via satellite to Europe / UK?

Thanks, Martin

NASA TV is only broadcast on that satellite. It's a US-based service. Some events in the past were rebroadcast but not too often.

Well, it's what I expected I guess.

Thanks anyway.

Cheers, Martin
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: John44 on 12/21/2011 10:32 am
Mapperou - it looks good to me. Can you tell if they fixed it? I'm not sure where you see screen sizes on Ustream to verify.

Ustream

_width                           : 848.000
_height                          : 480.000
_framerate                       : 14.985

Normal

_width                           : 1280.000
_height                          : 720.000
_framerate                       : 14.985


Ipad - liveips.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net/msfc/Wifi.m3u8

Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 998 Kbps
Width                            : 848 pixels
Height                           : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16/9
Frame rate mode                  : Variable
Frame rate                       : 14.985 fps

Normal

Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 1002 Kbps
Width                            : 1280 pixels
Height                           : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16/9
Frame rate mode                  : Constant
Frame rate                       : 14.985 fps





Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/21/2011 12:34 pm
Thanks - I just bugged them again.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/21/2011 02:27 pm
Just got an alert that UStream restarted - I just opened VLC with the iPad stream and it says 1280x720, can you confirm?
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 12/21/2011 02:33 pm
Just got an alert that UStream restarted - I just opened VLC with the iPad stream and it says 1280x720, can you confirm?

I see the same, Thank you and the NASA tweakers!   :D
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 12/21/2011 02:35 pm
From NTV: "Looks like there was a problem with one of our servers. It has been rebooted. See if that fixes what you're seeing."

And an FYI - not sure if this was mentioned but I didn't know about - the UStream link now autorecords NASA TV and puts it in 2-hour blocks. No need to say "I hope they re-air" anymore http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv/videos

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 01/13/2012 07:12 pm

Jan. 13, 2012

Fred Brown
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-0713
[email protected]

MEDIA ADVISORY: M12-007

NASA TV'S PUBLIC, MEDIA CHANNELS TRANSITIONING TO HD

WASHINGTON -- Beginning Feb. 17, 2012, NASA Television's Public and
Media channels will transmit their respective content in high
definition.

NASA Television's Public Channel (101), the channel most often carried
by cable and satellite service providers, provides digital coverage
of NASA missions and events, as well as documentaries, archival and
other special programming.

NASA TV's Media Channel (103) provides mission coverage, news
conferences and relevant video and audio materials to local, national
and international news-gathering organizations.

NASA TV's Education Channel (102) will continue in standard
definition. The current NASA TV HD Channel (105) will cease service.

For complete NASA TV downlink information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/nasatv

   
-end-
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rdale on 01/13/2012 07:13 pm
rsmath - we set up a whole new thread for this since it's kind of (maybe?) big news. Any thoughts on what carriers will do?

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27764.0
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 01/13/2012 07:49 pm
rsmath - we set up a whole new thread for this since it's kind of (maybe?) big news. Any thoughts on what carriers will do?

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27764.0

The biggest thing I see happening is NASA gets dropped from many pay tv outlets as it might not be worth the expense of an investment in a HD-capable receiver to continue downlinking NASA TV. 

If cable/pay tv keeps NASA, I can see SD continuing to be used because HD receivers can downscale to SD resolution internally for those cable/pay tv operators who want a SD version of what they are downlinking.












Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: ChrisC on 01/16/2012 09:43 pm
Thanks rdale for linking over to the other thread where the change is being discussed.  I posted my comments in this over there.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27764.msg851181#msg851181
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 02/12/2012 08:19 pm
After seeing a clip on the nightly news, I thought I'd snag the HD video file feature of northern lights and parts of the U.S. and Canada at night and post it here.
I included both labeled and unlabeled parts that were fed on NASA TV HD.

I did no processing into a H264 HD video.  It's a full-bandwidth MPEG-2 transport stream grab from NASA TV HD.  About 640MB in size.

Two parts that need to be combined into one using HJSPLIT, the DOS copy command, or other means.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21323698/auroras_as_seen_from_the_iss_jan_feb_2012_ts_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21323805/auroras_as_seen_from_the_iss_jan_feb_2012_ts_002

Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: rsmath on 06/01/2012 01:50 pm

SpaceX Dragon launch to the ISS.  HD launch from about 30 mins to launch through the launch replays.

H264 AVC format, about 2.4 GB in size.

Six parts that need to be combined into one using HJSPLIT, the DOS copy command, or other means.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21755700/spacex_falcon_9_dragon_launch_to_iss_may_22_2012_mp4_001

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21757189/spacex_falcon_9_dragon_launch_to_iss_may_22_2012_mp4_002

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21757463/spacex_falcon_9_dragon_launch_to_iss_may_22_2012_mp4_003

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21770941/spacex_falcon_9_dragon_launch_to_iss_may_22_2012_mp4_004

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21779733/spacex_falcon_9_dragon_launch_to_iss_may_22_2012_mp4_005

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21779785/spacex_falcon_9_dragon_launch_to_iss_may_22_2012_mp4_006


Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Beemer on 07/14/2012 10:30 pm
For those of you who have DirecTV, NASA TV has been moved to Channel 346.

I had no idea that this was happening until I turned the tv on a little while ago and found a Disney channel on 289....  :o
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: yg1968 on 04/18/2015 01:04 pm
NASA TV HD is now on Youtube (since April 9 2015). Given that many TVs now have Youtube included, this is good news. Here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2k5AdcvF7c
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: mlindner on 04/18/2015 02:12 pm
NASA TV HD is now on Youtube (since April 9 2015). Given that most TVs now have Youtube included, this is good news. Here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2k5AdcvF7c

Awesome. Finally. Hopefully we can get the Live ISS Stream in HD at some point.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Mapperuo on 04/18/2015 05:45 pm
Excellent. Hopefully the end of buffering ustream for me!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Chris Bergin on 04/18/2015 07:00 pm
Yeah! UStream can be pretty dire at times, so that should be fun to try out during live events.
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: Frandolf on 04/20/2015 07:11 pm
NASA TV (HD) on Youtube:

Quote
Live Streaming ist wegen Rechteproblemen in Deutschland leider nicht möglich.

Not available in Germany, great  :'(
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: okan170 on 04/20/2015 09:17 pm
Yeah! UStream can be pretty dire at times, so that should be fun to try out during live events.

As mentioned above, theres no substitute for being able to stream it to a TV at a moment's notice.  I sometimes do this with SpaceX launches via youtube, but its nice to now have that option for anything generally on NASA TV!
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: cartman on 04/20/2015 10:29 pm
Quote
The network also provides an array of live programming, such as 24-hour coverage of Space Shuttle missions
Somebody should update their youtube description...
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: yg1968 on 04/25/2015 10:07 pm
The NASA Media Channel is now also on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP4uOkuIPmM
Title: Re: NASA TV HD Thread
Post by: SimonShuttle on 05/26/2015 11:00 am
Youtube may head. UStream has tantrums more often than not.