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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #20 on: 02/06/2017 05:05 PM »
A new presentation about the UAE Mars mission. Includes quite a few technical details.

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #21 on: 02/06/2017 05:49 PM »
A new presentation about the UAE Mars mission. Includes quite a few technical details.
So it will orbit in a tangent to Deimos' orbit. That is something new. But that pdf doesn't say anything about science targets studying Deimos. I'd think it would be a great opportunity for doing multiple close flybys of that strange moon. If the probe does get close to Deimos (in spite of its inclined orbit), it seems equipped to at least image it much better than ever before.

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #22 on: 02/06/2017 08:16 PM »
Don't get the wrong idea. The science orbit/instruments are intended primarily to support a means to study longitudinally surface/atmospheric processes, not Deimos in detail.

The moons of Mars are interesting for the dust associated with them.

Note that the other spacecraft are much closer to the planet. MRO's HiRISE resolution is enhanced at the cost of a narrow FOV. Likewise, MAVEN can "deep dip", but at the cost of a narrow sampling "slice" each time.

If you want a comprehensive view of processes, you need to observe more of the planet, in context, at once. Perhaps you might even see mass/particle flows/effects.

For a desert planet. Very apropos.
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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #23 on: 02/06/2017 08:29 PM »
The most interesting slides.

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #24 on: 02/06/2017 08:33 PM »
Don't get the wrong idea. The science orbit/instruments are intended primarily to support a means to study longitudinally surface/atmospheric processes, not Deimos in detail.

The moons of Mars are interesting for the dust associated with them.

You're most likely right, but it feels like a huge coincidence to have the probe aligned with a moon.  Compare Mars Express with Phobos' orbit: crosses it, but isn't half as aligned as Hope seems to be with Deimos.  If the primary succeeds this seems like an opportunity for the UAE to do some encounter science as a followup.

Note that the other spacecraft are much closer to the planet. MRO's HiRISE resolution is enhanced at the cost of a narrow FOV. Likewise, MAVEN can "deep dip", but at the cost of a narrow sampling "slice" each time.

If you want a comprehensive view of processes, you need to observe more of the planet, in context, at once. Perhaps you might even see mass/particle flows/effects.

For a desert planet. Very apropos.

Curious to see how Hope's science could complement MAVEN's.  A different vantage point can yield surprises.
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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #25 on: 02/06/2017 11:05 PM »
Likewise, MAVEN can "deep dip", but at the cost of a narrow sampling "slice" each time.

Curious to see how Hope's science could complement MAVEN's.  A different vantage point can yield surprises.

Definitely complements MAVEN. Which is particles and fields. Inside processes. Isotope ratios etc.

Now, lets zoom back from the close-up, knowing the processes/densities/flux at certain regions, now you have comprehensive view instruments that capture signatures of all, including those, over time. You can see how the pattern shifts, and if you wanted to, you might sample a changing region with MAVEN to see if the situation is novel.

MAVEN is an experiential "fly through it, in the moment". Hope is a "connect the pieces to form a whole, at the moment". And, the longer both operate, the more you get of a concrete picture of how the thin atmosphere, no static magnetic field, allows "space weather" to come down close to the planet, brushing up against those remnant crustal magnetic fields.

Unfortunately, MAVEN's science mission is limited by its "relay role" - once that happens and it becomes a used relay, the instruments can't recover from being stuck in the relay orbit. So its very unlikely that the two will operate together.

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #26 on: 02/06/2017 11:15 PM »
Atmospheric science is certainly the main goal, but if you are close to Deimos and can take images nobody else can, that's a big deal in itself.  Seeing Deimos up close with modern instruments would be very useful, and certain to get people's attention.  Inspiration is also one of their goals.  I will be trying to find out more about their plans.

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #27 on: 02/07/2017 12:43 AM »
Atmospheric science is certainly the main goal, but if you are close to Deimos and can take images nobody else can, that's a big deal in itself.  Seeing Deimos up close with modern instruments would be very useful, and certain to get people's attention.  Inspiration is also one of their goals.  I will be trying to find out more about their plans.

I agree.  However, as Space Ghost warns us, no plans are specified for Deimos yet.  All we know is there's potential for encounters.  Best to downplay the drama, as much as I pray this ends up yielding visits to Mars' outer moon.
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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #28 on: 02/07/2017 01:32 AM »
Incidentally, I hear that India's MOM mission team is looking for opportunities to image Deimos again, after its distant observations a couple of years ago.

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #29 on: 02/20/2017 09:50 PM »

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #30 on: 03/07/2017 06:16 AM »
From a certain Buzz:

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My Apollo 11 mission with my colleagues, Neil Armstrong and Michael Collins, symbolised the ability of a nation to imagine a truly path-breaking idea, prioritise it, create the technology to advance the idea and then ride it to completion.

Now the destination some 55 years later is the red planet, Mars.

I am gladdened that the United Arab Emirates has Mars in its sights, not only moving forward on its own robotic Mars orbiter, Hope, but also establishing the first inhabitable human settlement on the planet by 2117.

http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comment/humanitys-reach-for-mars-a-rendezvous-with-destiny#full
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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #31 on: 04/07/2017 09:55 PM »
Some more.

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #32 on: 04/10/2017 08:15 AM »
Fly Emirates to Mars.  ;D  The vision of Emirates-flagged ITS ships flying to Mars...

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Re: Emirates Mars Mission
« Reply #33 on: 04/12/2017 08:49 AM »
Fly Emirates to Mars.  ;D  The vision of Emirates-flagged ITS ships flying to Mars...

I'd prefer Emirates to United......
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