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Title: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: gongora on 10/03/2021 04:17 pm
Discussion Thread for CSG-2 mission.

NSF Threads for CSG-2 : Discussion (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54913.0)
NSF Articles for CSG-2 :

Successful launch January 31, 2022 at 23:11 UTC (6:11 pm EST) on Falcon 9 (booster 1052-3) from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station SLC-40 to SSO.  Successful booster landing at LZ-1.

CSG-2 (Cosmo-Skymed Second Generation 2) is a synthetic aperture radar satellite being built by Thales Alenia for the Italian government.  CSG-2 will mass about 2200kg.

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SpaceX is targeting Thursday, January 27 for launch of the COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation FM2 mission to low Earth orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.

The instantaneous launch window is at 6:11 p.m. EST, or 23:11 UTC, and a back up opportunity is available on Friday, January 28 with the same window. The Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously supported the launch of Arabsat-6A and STP-2. After stage separation, Falcon 9 will return to Earth and land on Landing Zone 1 (LZ-1) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.

One half of the fairings supporting this mission previously supported Transporter-1, Transporter-2, and one Starlink mission, and the other half previously supported SAOCOM 1B, Transporter-2, and one Starlink mission.

https://earth.esa.int/eogateway/missions/cosmo-skymed-sg-overview
CSG-2 on Gunter's Space Page (https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/cosmo-skymed-csg.htm)



CSG-2 is listed by most manifests as launching on Vega-C.  A recent filing for ground station support shows it as launching on a Falcon 9 from Florida NET November.  A document on the Italian Space Agency's site that has a 2021 date shows it as launching before the end of 2021.

confirmation
https://www.asi.it/en/earth-science/cosmo-skymed/

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...The second COSMO SkyMed Second Generation satellite (CSG-2) was planned to be launched with VEGA-C within 2021, but the launcher development has been impacted by the VV15 and VV17 failures and, above all, by the COVID pandemic. The delays, postponing the VEGA-C Maiden Flight to Q1 2022, with a consequent tight schedule of launches in 2022, made the  launch period of CSG-2 no longer compatible with the needs of the COSMO Mission. Since Arianespace backlog was already full on Soyuz and Ariane systems in 2021, it was not possible to have a European back-up solution compliant with the CSG-2 schedule, thus an alternative solution with the US provider SPACE X has been adopted allowing to keep the CSG-2 launch within the current year. ...



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Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: Rik ISS-fan on 10/03/2021 09:08 pm
AUCH, that's a tough one for ELV/Avio. CSG2 was planned as one of the first payloads for Vega C. ELV/Avio lost this launch because of the mistakes they made with Vega. (VV15 & VV17). Why couldn't Italy wait for half a year longer (H2 2022)?
Arianespace couldn't offer something else, thus SpaceX was the best available solution. (Though painful for European launch industrie)

Can someone explain why CSG-2 launches from Florida instead of from California Vandenberg?
Isn't SpaceX rolling out polar starlink, and couldn't CSG-2 share a launch with several Starlink satellites.
AFAIK; The dogleg maneuver required from Florida reduces the payload capability. So less Starlink satellites can ride along when launching from Florida compared to launching from California. Why is Florida favored anyway?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: gongora on 10/03/2021 09:20 pm
SpaceX has a NASA launch from Vandy in the same timeframe.  Travel to Florida is shorter.  SpaceX has a much higher launch cadence in Florida.  The SSO Starlinks are currently set to launch from Florida.

CSG is going to a higher orbit than Starlink, I really wouldn't want it to be dumping a big payload adapter and tension rods at 600-km for a Starlink rideshare (unless they want to do a 5 burn second stage mission to deploy the rideshares lower).
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: soltasto on 10/03/2021 09:45 pm
I agree with gongora.  It will probably by a mission very similar to SAOCOM 1B: same altitude, same inclination, somewhat lower mass. Actually, it will be part, as the SAOCOM satellites, of the SIASGE constellation (Italian-Argentine System of Satellites for Emergency Management).

I wouldn't be surprised if they will carry some rideshare satellites, maybe even some expected from the Transporter-3 mission if they are ready and want the higher altitude. This would leave more mass for starlinks on Transporter-3 if SpaceX want them on, and will also help with a less crowded deployment.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: baldusi on 10/04/2021 03:39 am
I think that launching from the Cape is easier for foreign officials to get into that base.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: wannamoonbase on 10/04/2021 04:10 am
Short notice get for SpaceX.  Impressive. 

Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: StraumliBlight on 10/04/2021 06:36 am
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03415/13325354

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CSG-2 is the second generation earth observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union. CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET November 2021
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 10/25/2021 06:03 am
Cross-post:
SpX-23           LC-39A    August 29 UTC
Inspiration4  LC-39A    September 16
Crew-3           LC-39A    October 30
CSG-2            SLC-40?  November 18
IXPE               LC-39A    December 9
SpX-24           LC-39A   December 21
Turksat 5B                     late 2021

We're approaching the end of October, with no announcement of the next Florida Starlink launch. 

There is also a lack of launches assigned to SLC-40.

My hypothesis: The next Starlink launch will be NET November, or even later.  The first SLC-40 launch in several months will be the CSG-2 launch.

Further regarding CSG-2 and SLC-40: All (contemporary) Florida polar launches thus far have been aboard Falcon 9's launched from SLC-40.


Is there any indication that CSG-2 has shipped to the Cape?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET November 2021
Post by: lenny97 on 10/25/2021 09:23 pm
Cross-post:
SpX-23           LC-39A    August 29 UTC
Inspiration4  LC-39A    September 16
Crew-3           LC-39A    October 30
CSG-2            SLC-40?  November 18
IXPE               LC-39A    December 9
SpX-24           LC-39A   December 21
Turksat 5B                     late 2021

We're approaching the end of October, with no announcement of the next Florida Starlink launch. 

There is also a lack of launches assigned to SLC-40.

My hypothesis: The next Starlink launch will be NET November, or even later.  The first SLC-40 launch in several months will be the CSG-2 launch.

Further regarding CSG-2 and SLC-40: All (contemporary) Florida polar launches thus far have been aboard Falcon 9's launched from SLC-40.


Is there any indication that CSG-2 has shipped to the Cape?


According to info that ASI has given during a conference in my University here in Italy, COSMO-SkyMed 2 (CSG-2) has been already shipped to the Cape.
I asked some details on that today through Univ. contacts, will let you know if i have some news...
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: lenny97 on 10/25/2021 10:18 pm
AUCH, that's a tough one for ELV/Avio. CSG2 was planned as one of the first payloads for Vega C. ELV/Avio lost this launch because of the mistakes they made with Vega. (VV15 & VV17). Why couldn't Italy wait for half a year longer (H2 2022)?
Arianespace couldn't offer something else, thus SpaceX was the best available solution. (Though painful for European launch industrie)

Can someone explain why CSG-2 launches from Florida instead of from California Vandenberg?
Isn't SpaceX rolling out polar starlink, and couldn't CSG-2 share a launch with several Starlink satellites.
AFAIK; The dogleg maneuver required from Florida reduces the payload capability. So less Starlink satellites can ride along when launching from Florida compared to launching from California. Why is Florida favored anyway?


The real problem has been the first VEGA failure.
After VV15 there were already rumors of the mission being rescheduled on another vehicle.
Shortly after there was VV17, which called into question many, many things about the management of launches in French Guiana.
For the uninitiated, VEGA is assembled there before it is launched, and there have been more discussions about the companies dealing with quality control and safety.
After all, two out of three failed flights would alarm anyone.
After VV17 the launch had to be moved by force (despite political pressure) ESA had no space in the schedule and, much less, a competitive rocket (you probably don't want to launch a 300mln satellite on a 150mln rocket).
With the delays due to Covid, and all this situation, they opted for SpaceX.
But pay attention to one detail: the initial negotiation with SpaceX took place BEFORE VV17... ... ...
It is still obvious that Italy wants to support VEGA & VEGA-C, after all we build them, you cannot but trust your own rocket.
And we do! We trust ASI, we trust AVIO... We know how they works!
BUT: ever wondered how VEGA is handled after manufacturing process?
After being manufactured, VEGA is not like F9. It must be shipped to French Guiana, then assembled, then payload mating, and after that can be rolled out to launch pad. Then FRR and final checks, with safety acceptance review.
And in all of this process: WHO does WHAT? AVIO (the IT manufacturer) is not involved like you could think. But we're going into management, costs and political issues of Arianespace. Imma stop here, each draw their own conclusions...
Long story short: the problems has been launch failures due to "outside companies", delays, and the need to launch right away.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: jeffkruse on 10/28/2021 07:38 pm
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!  It will be at 6:11pm, do you think there will be enough light to see it before the landing burn?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 10/28/2021 08:08 pm
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!
Source?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: jeffkruse on 10/28/2021 09:15 pm
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!
Source?
SpaceXNow


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Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: soltasto on 10/28/2021 09:39 pm
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!
Source?

Even without a source, at 2205 kg, it kinda has to be a RTLS missions. Unless it will have secondary payloads.

Another possibility that also occurred to me is that it's going to fly as the top port payload on Transporter-3, as no FCC permit has been requested yet.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 10/29/2021 02:37 am
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!
Source?
SpaceXNow
Good.  We don't do updates without a source here at NSF, as I hope you noticed.

(If it's a confidential source, then write so.  Or, post in the appropriate thread in L2.  Or message Chris Bergin using the private message function available in his profile.)

So, source: https://spacexnow.com/upcoming.php

However...There is no statement in that CSG-2 launch entry regarding 1st stage landing at all: at sea, return to launch site, or expendable.

In short, we, the spaceflight enthusiast community, don't know yet. The source that you gave is not (yet) an update. It is, at this time, a point of discussion.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: jeffkruse on 10/29/2021 03:28 am
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!
Source?
SpaceXNow
Good.  We don't do updates without a source here at NSF, as I hope you noticed.

(If it's a confidential source, then write so.  Or, post in the appropriate thread in L2.  Or message Chris Bergin using the private message function available in his profile.)

So, source: https://spacexnow.com/upcoming.php

However...There is no statement in that CSG-2 launch entry regarding 1st stage landing at all: at sea, return to launch site, or expendable.

In short, we, the spaceflight enthusiast community, don't know yet. The source that you gave is not (yet) an update. It is, at this time, a point of discussion.
I didn’t see that this was an update thread.  Where does it say that?


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Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: jeffkruse on 10/29/2021 03:31 am
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!
Source?
SpaceXNow
Good.  We don't do updates without a source here at NSF, as I hope you noticed.

(If it's a confidential source, then write so.  Or, post in the appropriate thread in L2.  Or message Chris Bergin using the private message function available in his profile.)

So, source: https://spacexnow.com/upcoming.php

However...There is no statement in that CSG-2 launch entry regarding 1st stage landing at all: at sea, return to launch site, or expendable.

In short, we, the spaceflight enthusiast community, don't know yet. The source that you gave is not (yet) an update. It is, at this time, a point of discussion.
Also I put a ? mark because I was hoping someone would confirm that.


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Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: Orbiter on 10/29/2021 03:54 am
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!  It will be at 6:11pm, do you think there will be enough light to see it before the landing burn?

A 6:11pm launch might produce a "twilight effect" like seen on Inspiration4 and Crew-2 recently too.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: ZachS09 on 10/29/2021 04:02 am
The first stage will be landing at LZ1?!!!  It will be at 6:11pm, do you think there will be enough light to see it before the landing burn?

A 6:11pm launch might produce a "twilight effect" like seen on Inspiration4 and Crew-2 recently too.

At the exact time of 23:11:12 UTC (6:11:12 PM EST), it'll be around 45 minutes after sunset.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: lenny97 on 10/29/2021 01:13 pm

Also I put a ? mark because I was hoping someone would confirm that.


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At the moment, ASI is avoiding any type of comment or reply to questions.

The only response we received on October 27th was: "an update via website article is scheduled for tomorrow".
I have some info from internal sources but it has been pointed out that this is an update thread, so I am waiting for more official info.  :)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: gongora on 10/29/2021 01:17 pm
This is not an updates only thread.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: jeffkruse on 10/29/2021 01:22 pm

Also I put a ? mark because I was hoping someone would confirm that.


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At the moment, ASI is avoiding any type of comment or reply to questions.

The only response we received on October 27th was: "an update via website article is scheduled for tomorrow".
I have some info from internal sources but it has been pointed out that this is an update thread, so I am waiting for more official info.  :)

Please help me understand.  Why are people saying this is an update thread and what I posted is unverified?  The first line of the first post says its a discussion thread.  It usually says UPDATE in the thread title if its a update thread.  Second I put a ? after my statement and wanted to see if others had more information. 
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: gongora on 10/29/2021 01:34 pm
Please help me understand.  Why are people saying this is an update thread and what I posted is unverified?  The first line of the first post says its a discussion thread.  It usually says UPDATE in the thread title if its a update thread.  Second I put a ? after my statement and wanted to see if others had more information.

Your initial statement had a question mark followed by several exclamation points, which made it seem like you were claiming it was an RTLS flight, without giving any source for that information.  zubenelgenubi was pointing out that we like people to give the sources for information that they post.  Everything after that was just people talking past each other.  Let's move on.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET Nov. 2021
Post by: crandles57 on 10/31/2021 12:22 am
Per http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html
30 Oct 2021

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/CosmoSkyMed satellite for Italy on December around 6:11pm EST. [after sunset] Sunset is 5:27pm.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : December 2021
Post by: gongora on 11/04/2021 02:33 pm
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Universal Space Network
Amendment to SES-STA-20210901-01611 LEOP support for CGS-2 spacecraft

SSC Space US (dba Universal Space Network) requests an update to the original date of authority.  The original application described November 18th, 2021 as the start date for the operation for a 30 day period.

Universal Space Network respectfully requests a delayed start of operations date now be coordinated for December 14th, 2021.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : NET December 14, 2021
Post by: StraumliBlight on 11/04/2021 02:52 pm
LaunchPhotography (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html): [Page updated November 4]

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/CosmoSkyMed satellite for Italy on December 14, likely around 6pm EST.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : December 2021
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 11/13/2021 01:50 am
Launch Photography (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html), updated November 12, my bold:

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/CosmoSkyMed satellite for Italy on December around 6:11pm EST.

No longer referencing a specific December date.

It could mean this launch proceeds either before or after the Turksat launch in mid December, also from SLC-40.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : December 2021?
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 11/14/2021 08:54 pm
Launch Photography (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html), updated November 13, my bold:

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/CosmoSkyMed satellite for Italy on December earliest around 6:11pm EST.

Implication that this launch could slip from December into the new year?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : December 2021?
Post by: lenny97 on 11/14/2021 09:02 pm
LaunchPhotography (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html), updated November 13, my bold:

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/CosmoSkyMed satellite for Italy on December earliest around 6:11pm EST.

Implication that this launch could slip from December into the new year?

ASI denied to give to Italian news agencies any further information on the status of the satellite and the launch. They promised back on October 27 "an update via website" that was never published...

They are replying to literally everyone with: "Please wait for information on the official channels."
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : December 2021?
Post by: lenny97 on 11/17/2021 07:37 pm
SFN Confirms the delay.
CSG-2 Now NET Jan. 2022.

"A Falcon 9 launch from Cape Canaveral with an Italian radar remote sensing satellite, originally scheduled for this month, has been delayed to next year."

https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/11/17/spacex-is-about-to-break-its-own-annual-launch-record/
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : early 2022
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 11/17/2021 09:38 pm
SFN Confirms the delay.
CSG-2 Now NET Jan. 2022.
Listed as "early 2022" in the November 17 update of SFN Launch Schedule (https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/).

Also the specific launch complex is not given, nor is the first stage.

The launch is no longer mentioned in the November 17 update of Launch Photography (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html).
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : early 2022
Post by: lenny97 on 12/07/2021 02:03 pm

Listed as "early 2022" in the November 17 update of SFN Launch Schedule (https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/).

The launch is no longer mentioned in the November 17 update of Launch Photography (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html).


Massimo Claudio Comparini, CEO of the manufacturer of the satellite (Thales Alenia Space, Italy), confirmed in an interview published yesterday that CSG-2 is on track for a launch in January.
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[...] sistema radar per l’Osservazione della Terra Cosmo-SkyMed per l’Italia, oggi alla Seconda Generazione e lanceremo il secondo satellite a gennaio. [...]
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[...] Cosmo-SkyMed Earth Observation radar system for Italy, today in the Second Generation and we will launch the second satellite in January. [...]
Link: https://www.industriaitaliana.it/thales-alenia-space-comparini-leonardo-telespazio-aerospazio-space-economy/ (https://www.industriaitaliana.it/thales-alenia-space-comparini-leonardo-telespazio-aerospazio-space-economy/)
(the interview focus is also on Lunar Gateway and Axiom Station).
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: lenny97 on 12/16/2021 09:32 am

Thanks to Link4Universe, we have a unique view (in 4K) of the COSMO-SkyMed 2nd Gen. CSG-2, in the Testing facility of Thales Alenia Space in Rome (Min. 16:05 of the video).
The satellite was built across the country in Turin, Rome, L'Aquila, Milan.
It's shown in the anechoic chamber, and the footage is not older than a month.
The man on the left is Massimo Claudio Comparini, CEO of Thales.

https://youtu.be/JBQZpH3sjAM?t=968 (https://youtu.be/JBQZpH3sjAM?t=968)

I have read the automatic subtitles and unfortunately in English they are a bit incorrect... But even the satellite view alone is worth it!
However, I suggest you take a look at the entire video: it is an in-depth tour in the Thales factory in Rome: you can also see two satellites of the Sentinel constellation, and another one of the GlobalSat constellation.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 12/17/2021 04:19 am
A CSG satellite in the Thales Alenia Space anechoic chamber.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: eeergo on 12/21/2021 11:53 am
CSG-2 inside its transport container in Rome's main airport, Fiumicino, in preparation for the transatlantic trip to the Cape.

https://twitter.com/Thales_Alenia_S/status/1473274638662787077
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 12/22/2021 12:39 am
CSG-2 inside its transport container in Rome's main airport, Fiumicino, in preparation for the transatlantic trip to the Cape.
<snip>
Late December delivery to launch processing facility (SpaceX facility?) + circa 3 to 4 weeks launch processing + time on the pad = late January launch.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: GWR64 on 12/22/2021 09:01 pm
Spectacular images of our COSMO-SkyMed SG 2 earth observation satellite loaded onto an Antonov cargo plane to be flown to its launch site in Cape Canaveral, Florida.
https://twitter.com/Thales_Alenia_S/status/1473608140319072257
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: gongora on 12/23/2021 02:00 pm
The plane got to KSC last night (around 10pm eastern).
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: Elthiryel on 01/07/2022 08:22 am
This launch is now apparently scheduled for January 24.

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SpaceX is set to launch another Falcon 9 rocket Jan. 24 from pad 40 with the second Italian COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation radar remote sensing satellite, known as CSG 2.
Source: Stephen Clark for SFN (https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/01/06/spacex-deploys-49-more-starlink-satellites-in-first-launch-of-2022/)

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/Cosmo-SkyMed satellite to polar orbit on January 24 around 6pm EST.
Source: Ben Cooper (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : Florida : January 2022
Post by: realnouns on 01/07/2022 01:43 pm
This launch is now apparently scheduled for January 24.

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SpaceX is set to launch another Falcon 9 rocket Jan. 24 from pad 40 with the second Italian COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation radar remote sensing satellite, known as CSG 2.
Source: Stephen Clark for SFN (https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/01/06/spacex-deploys-49-more-starlink-satellites-in-first-launch-of-2022/)

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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/Cosmo-SkyMed satellite to polar orbit on January 24 around 6pm EST.
Source: Ben Cooper (http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html)

NextSpaceFlight has a 23:11 UTC
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/418
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 24 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Orbiter on 01/10/2022 06:35 pm
Sunset is at 22:56 UTC that day, about 15 minutes before launch. I wonder if we'll get that beautiful "twilight phenomenon" during launch, or will the sky be too bright?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 24 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ZachS09 on 01/10/2022 07:45 pm
Sunset is at 22:56 UTC that day, about 15 minutes before launch. I wonder if we'll get that beautiful "twilight phenomenon" during launch, or will the sky be too bright?

Actually, per https://gml.noaa.gov/grad/solcalc/, and using the coordinates for SLC-40 (28.5619644 -80.5772274), sunset is at 22:54 UTC. So, it'll be 17 minutes after sunset. And I'm positive we'll get the "kerolox jellyfish" that night.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 24 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Elthiryel on 01/13/2022 09:13 pm
According to Ben Cooper, the mission got delayed by three days. And we have a confirmation of another RTLS.

http://www.launchphotography.com/Launch_Viewing_Guide.html
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A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the CSG-2/Cosmo-SkyMed satellite to polar orbit on January 27 around 6:11pm EST. Sunset is 5:58pm. The first stage will land back at the Cape about eight minutes after launch.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/17/2022 07:03 am
Cross-post:
From what was known here in Italy, they agreed, of course, to use a re-flown Booster, but someone said that ASI asked a non extremely-used one, that would be a plausible and fair request.

Yet, alas, ASI denied since the day that was discovered the switch from VEGA to F9, to reply to any questions regarding F9 Booster, fairings, mission profile and recovery...
I sent the last request two weeks ago, no info given.

Possible first stages for CSG-2:
1052.3, 1061.6, or 1067.4.

My >guesses< regarding Static Fire or not would be:
Yes, if ASI pays for it, for any one of the boosters.

If the decision is SpaceX's alone:
1052.3 yes, first mission following conversion to single stick.
1061.6 and 1067.4 no.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/17/2022 12:14 pm
Hello guys,
I need to know is LZ-1 cleared for landing or B1058 is still on the pad Or is the LZ-1 pad turnaround good in that case i think CSG-2 RTLS landing might be on LZ-2. In that case will it be first falcon 9 landing on LZ-2?? I don't think it needs significant trajectory and programming changes to shift the landing from LZ-1 to LZ-2. Or is the LZ-2 landing needing a longer boostback burn??
(Below is a falcon heavy trajectory that tells the trajectory for LZ-2)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Orbiter on 01/17/2022 12:23 pm
Hello guys,
I need to know is LZ-1 cleared for landing or B1058 is still on the pad Or is the LZ-1 pad turnaround good in that case i think CSG-2 RTLS landing might be on LZ-2. In that case will it be first falcon 9 landing on LZ-2?? I don't think it needs significant trajectory and programming changes to shift the landing from LZ-1 to LZ-2. Or is the LZ-2 landing needing a longer boostback burn??
(Below is a falcon heavy trajectory that tells the trajectory for LZ-2)

LZ-1 should easily be cleared by CSG-2's launch date. In fact, I would not be surprised if B1058 has already been taken down and moved out from the landing zone.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/17/2022 03:42 pm
Hello guys,
I need to know is LZ-1 cleared for landing or B1058 is still on the pad Or is the LZ-1 pad turnaround good in that case i think CSG-2 RTLS landing might be on LZ-2. In that case will it be first falcon 9 landing on LZ-2?? I don't think it needs significant trajectory and programming changes to shift the landing from LZ-1 to LZ-2. Or is the LZ-2 landing needing a longer boostback burn??
(Below is a falcon heavy trajectory that tells the trajectory for LZ-2)

LZ-1 should easily be cleared by CSG-2's launch date. In fact, I would not be surprised if B1058 has already been taken down and moved out from the landing zone.

Yes, the landing will be in LZ-1 and there are several reasons to justify it:


1. All the equipment and what is needed to support a ground landing is right now at LZ-1.
2. Recovery operations are easier at LZ-1 than at LZ-2.
3. LZ-2 has only been used for landing the Falcon Heavy side boosters and will continue to be used as such.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/18/2022 04:03 pm
Hello guys,
I need to know is LZ-1 cleared for landing or B1058 is still on the pad Or is the LZ-1 pad turnaround good in that case i think CSG-2 RTLS landing might be on LZ-2. In that case will it be first falcon 9 landing on LZ-2?? I don't think it needs significant trajectory and programming changes to shift the landing from LZ-1 to LZ-2. Or is the LZ-2 landing needing a longer boostback burn??
(Below is a falcon heavy trajectory that tells the trajectory for LZ-2)

LZ-1 should easily be cleared by CSG-2's launch date. In fact, I would not be surprised if B1058 has already been taken down and moved out from the landing zone.

Yes, the landing will be in LZ-1 and there are several reasons to justify it:


1. All the equipment and what is needed to support a ground landing is right now at LZ-1.
2. Recovery operations are easier at LZ-1 than at LZ-2.
3. LZ-2 has only been used for landing the Falcon Heavy side boosters and will continue to be used as such.
Any reason why Recovery operations are easier at LZ-1 than at LZ-2. Is it due to larger landing pad available at lz-1 Or something else??
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Vettedrmr on 01/18/2022 04:09 pm
A quick look on Goggle maps shows the additional support equipment that's in place for LZ-1 that has to be brought in to support operations on LZ-2.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/18/2022 04:13 pm
A quick look on Goggle maps shows the additional support equipment that's in place for LZ-1 that has to be brought in to support operations on LZ-2.
That's right, and the road on LZ-1 seems to be easier to transport the booster.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/19/2022 08:15 pm
Cross-post:
From what was known here in Italy, they agreed, of course, to use a re-flown Booster, but someone said that ASI asked a non extremely-used one, that would be a plausible and fair request.

Yet, alas, ASI denied since the day that was discovered the switch from VEGA to F9, to reply to any questions regarding F9 Booster, fairings, mission profile and recovery...
I sent the last request two weeks ago, no info given.

Possible first stages for CSG-2:
1052.3, 1061.6, or 1067.4.

My >guesses< regarding Static Fire or not would be:
Yes, if ASI pays for it, for any one of the boosters.

If the decision is SpaceX's alone:
1052.3 yes, first mission following conversion to single stick.
1061.6 and 1067.4 no.

Edited

Cross-post re: Crew-4; strike 1067.4 for this launch:
Booster 1067-4 (from NAC meeting) [Jan 18]
And a new Crew Dragon

Edit Jan 23: Successful Static Fire.  First stage not yet identified.

Edit Jan 26: 1052.3

Edit Jan 31: Successful launch and LZ-1 landing.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/22/2022 01:29 pm
NGA notices.

Quote from: NGA
220701Z JAN 22
NAVAREA IV 69/22(11,26,27).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
STRAITS OF FLORIDA.
OLD BAHAMA CHANNEL.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   272306Z TO 280004Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   2306Z TO 0004Z DAILY 28 JAN THRU 01 FEB
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35-48N 080-35-01W, 28-37-00N 080-32-00W,
      28-35-00N 080-21-00W, 28-13-00N 080-09-00W,
      28-10-00N 080-15-00W, 28-10-00N 080-24-00W,
      28-26-43N 080-32-41W.
   B. 26-18-00N 079-22-00W, 26-18-00N 079-20-00W,
      25-29-00N 078-43-00W, 25-01-00N 078-44-00W,
      25-00-00N 078-51-00W, 25-28-00N 079-07-00W.
   C. 23-16-00N 079-31-00W, 23-28-00N 079-31-00W,
      23-38-00N 079-25-00W, 23-44-00N 079-13-00W,
      23-43-00N 079-02-00W, 23-38-00N 078-51-00W,
      23-28-00N 078-45-00W, 23-17-00N 078-45-00W,
      23-07-00N 078-51-00W, 23-01-00N 079-02-00W,
      23-01-00N 079-13-00W, 23-06-00N 079-24-00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 020104Z FEB 22.
Quote from: NGA
220733Z JAN 22
HYDROPAC 190/22(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   280041Z TO 280119Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   0041Z TO 0119Z DAILY 28 JAN THRU 01 FEB
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   39-10S 119-01W, 28-43S 117-27W,
   16-15S 114-20W, 03-31S 110-37W,
   03-57S 108-14W, 14-34S 108-52W,
   27-04S 111-28W, 39-42S 115-56W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 010219Z FEB 22.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/23/2022 03:47 pm
Vehicle on the pad venting, firing up at the top of the hour. No payload attached yet.

https://youtu.be/a12sI1qKRig
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: crandles57 on 01/23/2022 04:05 pm
Cleanish so more likely to be 1052.3? Any confirmation of this?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/23/2022 04:07 pm
Static fire complete! Appeared to be around 8 seconds in duration

Credit: Spaceflight Now
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/23/2022 05:33 pm
SFN Launch Schedule (https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/), January 23 update
CSG-2 launch time clarification to the second:
January 27 at 23:11:50 UTC.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/23/2022 08:23 pm
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1485362210935226368
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: leetdan on 01/23/2022 10:33 pm
13 minutes after sunset, with a boostback / RTLS landing?  Yes please!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: wannamoonbase on 01/23/2022 11:49 pm
13 minutes after sunset, with a boostback / RTLS landing?  Yes please!

That's about as perfect in timing that you can get.  Should be some epic pictures.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Comga on 01/24/2022 01:00 am
13 minutes after sunset, with a boostback / RTLS landing?  Yes please!

That's about as perfect in timing that you can get. 
Should be some epic pictures.

But the public weather forecasts are for mostly cloudy weather at that time, and the sky won’t be totally dark, with the Sun less than 3 degrees below the horizon.
Let’s hope for the best.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/24/2022 01:58 pm
L-3 weather forecast.  80% 'Go' for January 27.  70% 'Go' for January 28.  All Additional Risk Criteria are Low for both day.s
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/25/2022 01:06 pm
L-2 weather forecast.  70% 'Go' for January 27.  60% 'Go' for January 28.  Upper-Level Wind Shear risk is Moderate for January 28.  All other Additional Risk Criteria are Low for both days.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/25/2022 06:57 pm
https://twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1486032520609243140
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: edkyle99 on 01/25/2022 07:31 pm
https://twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1486032520609243140
Only one launch has gone "polar", the Transporter 3 flight to 97.5 deg inclination.  The Starlinks went to 53.22 deg, nowhere near the poles.

 - Ed Kyle
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 01/25/2022 09:24 pm
Second departure of the day! Bob is outbound for the CSG-2 mission and heading ~596 km downrange towards Cuba to recover the fairing.

The booster will RTLS to LZ-1 at Cape Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1486098259571576840
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/26/2022 12:32 pm
L-1 forecast is out, and has deteriorated yet again. Weather now only 60% Go, and booster recovery is now listed as a “moderate” risk.

https://www.patrick.spaceforce.mil/About-Us/Weather/
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/26/2022 05:20 pm
https://everydayastronaut.com/csg-2-falcon-9-block-5/
B1052.3 is confirmed
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/26/2022 05:23 pm
https://everydayastronaut.com/csg-2-falcon-9-block-5/
B1052.3 is confirmed

It SHOULD be 1052, but on EDA's website is a guess. Austin, the writer, wrote on twitter earlier that "it seems to be 1052".

All signs are trending towards it, but in lack of HQ pics, (for me) it's not confirmed until SpaceX confirms! 😁
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/26/2022 08:07 pm
Cross-post:
I do know B1052 for CSG-2 is correct, not sure about the booster for this mission tho.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/27/2022 03:30 am
NextSpaceflight (https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/418) says 1052.3.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/27/2022 03:20 pm
Any word on launch attempt today and if the vehicle is on the pad? Under 7 hours and nothing on the SpaceX site as well.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/27/2022 03:22 pm
https://everydayastronaut.com/csg-2-falcon-9-block-5/
B1052.3 is confirmed

It SHOULD be 1052, but on EDA's website is a guess. Austin, the writer, wrote on twitter earlier that "it seems to be 1052".

All signs are trending towards it, but in lack of HQ pics, (for me) it's not confirmed until SpaceX confirms! 😁
https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/01/26/spacex-ready-to-launch-italian-radar-remote-sensing-satellite/ this must suffice your doubts
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/27/2022 03:25 pm
Any word on launch attempt today and if the vehicle is on the pad? Under 7 hours and nothing on the SpaceX site as well.


According to ASI, launch still scheduled for tonight... But only SpaceX has the control.
SpaceX website crew very slow lately  :-X ;D
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Alexphysics on 01/27/2022 03:30 pm
Any word on launch attempt today and if the vehicle is on the pad? Under 7 hours and nothing on the SpaceX site as well.

Rocket is on the pad and vertical
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/27/2022 03:36 pm
Any word on launch attempt today and if the vehicle is on the pad? Under 7 hours and nothing on the SpaceX site as well.

Rocket is on the pad and vertical
https://twitter.com/124970MeV/status/1486735631137054728
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/27/2022 03:40 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFoi68L-GQ&feature=emb_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFoi68L-GQ&feature=emb_title)


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SpaceX is targeting Thursday, January 27 for launch of the COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation FM2 mission to low Earth orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.


The instantaneous launch window is at 6:11 p.m. EST, or 23:11 UTC, and a back up opportunity is available on Friday, January 28 with the same window. The Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously supported the launch of Arabsat-6A and STP-2. After stage separation, Falcon 9 will return to Earth and land on Landing Zone 1 (LZ-1) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.


One half of the fairings supporting this mission previously supported Transporter-1, Transporter-2, and one Starlink mission, and the other half previously supported SAOCOM 1B, Transporter-2, and one Starlink mission.


A live webcast of this mission will begin about 15 minutes prior to liftoff.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/27/2022 03:42 pm
Mision Patch and B1052 confirmed
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/27/2022 03:45 pm
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/27/2022 03:50 pm
Zoomed in version of the above photo from the Home Screen of the SpaceX site.

B1052.3 looking good!  :)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/27/2022 04:00 pm
Zoomed in version of the above photo from the Home Screen of the SpaceX site.

B1052.3 looking good!  :)
For a moment I thought it had no legs.  :o
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Zed_Noir on 01/27/2022 04:16 pm
The SpaceX webcast folks seems to asleep. The youtube webcast page stated that coverage starting at 7PM ET.  :o  Or 6 hours from now (about 12PM ET).
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/27/2022 04:23 pm
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1486751688270630916?s=20[/size]
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/27/2022 04:24 pm
SFN Launch Schedule (https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/), updated January 27:
CSG-2 launch clarified to 23:11:19 UTC.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/27/2022 04:26 pm
The SpaceX webcast folks seems to asleep. The youtube webcast page stated that coverage starting at 7PM ET.  :o  Or 6 hours from now (about 12PM ET).


Fixed.  ;)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/27/2022 04:35 pm
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/01/falcon-9-csg-2/

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1486754459120197637
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/27/2022 04:47 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFoi68L-GQ&feature=emb_title (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFoi68L-GQ&feature=emb_title)


Quote
SpaceX is targeting Thursday, January 27 for launch of the COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation FM2 mission to low Earth orbit from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.


The instantaneous launch window is at 6:11 p.m. EST, or 23:11 UTC, and a back up opportunity is available on Friday, January 28 with the same window. The Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously supported the launch of Arabsat-6A and STP-2. After stage separation, Falcon 9 will return to Earth and land on Landing Zone 1 (LZ-1) at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.


One half of the fairings supporting this mission previously supported Transporter-1, Transporter-2, and one Starlink mission, and the other half previously supported SAOCOM 1B, Transporter-2, and one Starlink mission.


A live webcast of this mission will begin about 15 minutes prior to liftoff.
this is called cost effectiveness we see that SpaceX is saving their upload internet cost can't. they write the line, "The Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously supported the launch of Arabsat-6A and STP-2." I am so shocked a Falcon beast, formerly Falcon Heavy side booster is roaring again in new form as a Falcon 9 after spending about 950 days in storage and conversion.  No reference  of this. they must have written. It must be, "The Falcon 9 first stage booster supporting this mission previously supported the launch of Arabsat-6A and STP-2 as a Falcon Heavy Side booster. They are writing such that those who don't  know Arabsat-6A and STP-2 mission  will trat that it is a Falcon 9 mission. Offah so cost saving lines!!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ZachS09 on 01/27/2022 05:10 pm
Per the mission kit, there are two M-Vac burns leading up to payload separation an hour into the flight.

The typical mass for a COSMO-SkyMed Second Gen satellite is 2,205 kilograms, which should be light enough for both a direct insertion and Stage 1 RTLS.

To add onto that, SAOCOM 1B was 3,000 kilograms and used the very profile I listed in the second paragraph.

What’s the reasoning for the 2-burn profile on this mission?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Spiffles on 01/27/2022 05:33 pm
Per the mission kit, there are two M-Vac burns leading up to payload separation an hour into the flight.

The typical mass for a COSMO-SkyMed Second Gen satellite is 2,205 kilograms, which should be light enough for both a direct insertion and Stage 1 RTLS.

To add onto that, SAOCOM 1B was 3,000 kilograms and used the very profile I listed in the second paragraph.

What’s the reasoning for the 2-burn profile on this mission?

They will likely be inserting the spacecraft directly into its ~620km orbit. I believe it is more efficient to do 2 burns.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: oldAtlas_Eguy on 01/27/2022 05:45 pm
Per the mission kit, there are two M-Vac burns leading up to payload separation an hour into the flight.

The typical mass for a COSMO-SkyMed Second Gen satellite is 2,205 kilograms, which should be light enough for both a direct insertion and Stage 1 RTLS.

To add onto that, SAOCOM 1B was 3,000 kilograms and used the very profile I listed in the second paragraph.

What’s the reasoning for the 2-burn profile on this mission?

They will likely be inserting the spacecraft directly into its ~620km orbit. I believe it is more efficient to do 2 burns.
Initial orbit is elliptical orbit with an apogee at 620km where the second burn after a coast is made once apogee is reached to circularize at 620km.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: SPKirsch on 01/27/2022 06:03 pm
https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1486773893901819906
Quote
Booster 1052 is ready for the lift off of CSG-2 which is set set to launch tonight at 6:11pm ET.

B1052 has completed 2 flights previously, both times being a FH side core.
ArabSat 6A and STP-2.

Kamera: Me for @SuperclusterHQ
https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1486772121690910725
Quote
B1052-3 as it sits at Launch Complex 40 ahead of tonight's CSG-2 launch. This is the first time this core has been used as a Falcon 9 booster and has never seen a water landing.

@NASASpaceflight article: https://nasaspaceflight.com/2022/01/falcon-9-csg-2/
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/27/2022 06:14 pm
Wow still kept octaves markings amazing
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/27/2022 06:34 pm
Wow still kept octaves markings amazing
https://mobile.twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1486772506765807620
More signs of octaweb wowee
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: soltasto on 01/27/2022 07:04 pm
"Press kit" capture with OCR
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: SLEP on 01/27/2022 08:17 pm
I’m here now off of Phillips Pkwy and it is very windy on the ground
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/27/2022 09:13 pm

The weather is bad today, so it is not surprising that there is an attempt to launch tomorrow.https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1486819234881708036
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: SLEP on 01/27/2022 09:30 pm
And now it’s raining
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Orbiter on 01/27/2022 09:32 pm
Windy out here at Jetty. At the very least my streak shot tonight doesn't look very promising.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/27/2022 09:34 pm
Now under T-38 minutes. Poll for prop load should have occurred by now but no SpX Mission Control stream yet, still pouring at the site.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/27/2022 09:35 pm
Now under T-38 minutes. Poll for prop load should have occurred by now but no SpX Mission Control stream yet, still pouring at the site.
https://youtu.be/OyuvK4UNqWo
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/27/2022 09:36 pm
T-35 minutes. Prop load should be starting now but still no word from SpaceX.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/27/2022 09:40 pm
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1486831387336314882?t=wA3rMtmKHyIHjqurmAzMPw&s=19
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: alugobi on 01/27/2022 09:47 pm
Does this affect the attempt to launch Starlink on Saturday?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 27 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/27/2022 09:48 pm
Does this affect the attempt to launch Starlink on Saturday?
For the moment no, we would now have two SpaceX launches in less than 24 hours.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/27/2022 10:56 pm
New L-1 weather forecast, for January 28 only.  70% 'Go'.  Upper-Level Wind Shear risk is Moderate.  All other Additional Risk Criteria are Low.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/28/2022 12:10 am
New cancel-and-replace NGA notices.  Note that in addition to removing today, February 1 has been removed as a Backup Day.

Quote from: NGA
280036Z JAN 22
NAVAREA IV 88/22(11,26,27).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
STRAITS OF FLORIDA.
OLD BAHAMA CHANNEL.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   282306Z TO 290004Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   2306Z TO 0004Z DAILY 29 THRU 31 JAN
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35-48N 080-35-01W, 28-37-00N 080-32-00W,
      28-35-00N 080-21-00W, 28-13-00N 080-09-00W,
      28-10-00N 080-15-00W, 28-10-00N 080-24-00W,
      28-26-43N 080-32-41W.
   B. 26-18-00N 079-22-00W, 26-18-00N 079-20-00W,
      25-29-00N 078-43-00W, 25-01-00N 078-44-00W,
      25-00-00N 078-51-00W, 25-28-00N 079-07-00W.
   C. 23-16-00N 079-31-00W, 23-28-00N 079-31-00W,
      23-38-00N 079-25-00W, 23-44-00N 079-13-00W,
      23-43-00N 079-02-00W, 23-38-00N 078-51-00W,
      23-28-00N 078-45-00W, 23-17-00N 078-45-00W,
      23-07-00N 078-51-00W, 23-01-00N 079-02-00W,
      23-01-00N 079-13-00W, 23-06-00N 079-24-00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 69/22
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 010104Z FEB 22.
Quote from: NGA
280049Z JAN 22
HYDROPAC 231/22(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   290041Z TO 290119Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   0041Z TO 0119Z DAILY 30 JAN THRU 01 FEB
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   39-10S 119-01W, 28-43S 117-27W,
   16-15S 114-20W, 03-31S 110-37W,
   03-57S 108-14W, 14-34S 108-52W,
   27-04S 111-28W, 39-42S 115-56W.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 190/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 010219Z FEB 22.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/28/2022 05:29 am
b1052 or which booster??
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Lewis007 on 01/28/2022 07:48 am
Video of launch scrub

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di2CsrUoaJQ
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Alexphysics on 01/28/2022 01:29 pm
b1052 or which booster??

You have the booster number literally on that picture... and it's NOT the booster for this mission...
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/28/2022 02:10 pm
L-0 weather forecast.  70% 'Go' for January 28.  80% 'Go' for January 29.  Upper-Level Wind Shear risk is Moderate for both days.  All other Additional Risk Criteria are Low.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/28/2022 05:01 pm
b1052 or which booster??

You have the booster number literally on that picture... and it's NOT the booster for this mission...
sorry I thought that the booster behind Kjell Lindgren is B1052 before rollout or in storage never knowing that 67 corresponds to booster no. telling its not B1067
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/28/2022 05:19 pm
b1052 or which booster??

Huh?
Yes, this CSG-2 mission is flying B1052, as can be seen in Julia Bergeron's photo posted above (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54913.msg2335286#msg2335286).  What does that have to do with the photo of Kjell Lindgren standing in front of the clearly labeled Crew-4 booster B1067?

And while we're at it,
Wow still kept octaves markings amazing
...
More signs of octaweb wowee

What?
Are you talking about where they cleaned along the weld lines for inspection?
guys I forgot the word as I had been stating of a thing related to Falcon heavy. I used octaweb as wrong word I was to use the word longerhons. So I meant longerhons attachment points Sorry for the mistake
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Herb Schaltegger on 01/28/2022 06:39 pm
guys I forgot the word as I had been stating of a thing related to Falcon heavy. I used octaweb as wrong word I was to use the word longerhons. So I meant longerhons attachment points Sorry for the mistake

Do you mean "longerons"? You mean the FH side-core mounting points for the longerons?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ddspaceman on 01/28/2022 07:29 pm
https://twitter.com/ken_kremer/status/1487158466796048389

https://www.spaceupclose.com/2022/01/spacex-retargets-italian-earth-observing-satellite-launch-to-jan-28-after-weather-scrub-watch-live-photos/

Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: soltasto on 01/28/2022 08:53 pm
Updated "press kit" capture
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/28/2022 09:15 pm
The weather for today is good, with less than an hour to go before B1052 flies again after a couple of years of inactivity.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/28/2022 09:23 pm
https://youtu.be/OyuvK4UNqWo
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 09:30 pm
Range is RED for weather as announced on the net just now. Taking it down to 2 minutes in the count then final decision will be made. Polling for prop load begins in 3 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Mark McCombs on 01/28/2022 09:32 pm
"Thick Cloud Rule"
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: vaporcobra on 01/28/2022 09:34 pm
Go for prop load w/ a red range.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 09:34 pm
T-38 minutes. Teams just polled go for prop load however range is still RED due to weather.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 09:36 pm
T-35 minutes. Prop load has begun.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 01/28/2022 09:41 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T41rHlpkb7E
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: alugobi on 01/28/2022 09:42 pm
Have a look here on Windy. (https://www.windy.com/-Clouds-clouds?clouds,27.742,-82.090,5)

Doesn't look so good for today.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: daveglo on 01/28/2022 09:46 pm
From the KSC video feeds: https://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/chan1large.jpg

Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 09:46 pm
T-25 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 09:51 pm
T-20 minutes. TE venting as per usual.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 09:56 pm
Spacex live. 15 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 10:02 pm
T-10 minutes. Range red still.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 10:04 pm
HOLD and SCRUB!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 10:06 pm
Scrub due to weather. 24 hour turnaround.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/28/2022 10:07 pm
HOLD and SCRUB!

"Thick Cloud Rule"
The 30% chance of thick cloud rule 100% happened today at launch time.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/28/2022 10:09 pm
https://mobile.twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1487200394337914880?cxt=HHwWgMCo5aG4zKMpAAAA
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: kdhilliard on 01/28/2022 10:39 pm
The good news is that the skies are predicted to be clear for tomorrow's launch attempt, with 1% cloud cover from the Cape all the way down to West Palm Beach, and 3 to 4% for Ft. Lauderdale and Miami.  Should be good viewing weather all down the coast for this launch 12 minutes after sunset, assuming the winds permit it.  It will be on the chilly side for Florida, only 44 °F / 7 °C at the Cape at launch time, dropping to 36 °F / 2 °C later that night.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: kdhilliard on 01/28/2022 11:07 pm
New SpaceX webcast for tomorrow's attempt: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gYmynWbCSps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYmynWbCSps
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/29/2022 12:06 am
New cancel-and-replace NGA notices.

Quote from: NGA
290038Z JAN 22
NAVAREA IV 93/22(11,26,27).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
STRAITS OF FLORIDA.
OLD BAHAMA CHANNEL.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   292306Z TO 300004Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   2306Z TO 0004Z DAILY 30 THRU 31 JAN
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35-48N 080-35-01W, 28-37-00N 080-32-00W,
      28-35-00N 080-21-00W, 28-13-00N 080-09-00W,
      28-10-00N 080-15-00W, 28-10-00N 080-24-00W,
      28-26-43N 080-32-41W.
   B. 26-18-00N 079-22-00W, 26-18-00N 079-20-00W,
      25-29-00N 078-43-00W, 25-01-00N 078-44-00W,
      25-00-00N 078-51-00W, 25-28-00N 079-07-00W.
   C. 23-16-00N 079-31-00W, 23-28-00N 079-31-00W,
      23-38-00N 079-25-00W, 23-44-00N 079-13-00W,
      23-43-00N 079-02-00W, 23-38-00N 078-51-00W,
      23-28-00N 078-45-00W, 23-17-00N 078-45-00W,
      23-07-00N 078-51-00W, 23-01-00N 079-02-00W,
      23-01-00N 079-13-00W, 23-06-00N 079-24-00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 88/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 010104Z FEB 22.
Quote from: NGA
290055Z JAN 22
HYDROPAC 243/22(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   300041Z TO 300119Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   0041Z TO 0119Z DAILY 31 JAN THRU 01 FEB
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   39-10S 119-01W, 28-43S 117-27W,
   16-15S 114-20W, 03-31S 110-37W,
   03-57S 108-14W, 14-34S 108-52W,
   27-04S 111-28W, 39-42S 115-56W.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 231/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 010219Z FEB 22.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/29/2022 12:09 am
New L-1. 80% go with the primary concern being liftoff winds, moderate ULW shear risk.

Delay day is 90+% go

https://www.patrick.spaceforce.mil/About-Us/Weather/
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/29/2022 05:50 am
guys I forgot the word as I had been stating of a thing related to Falcon heavy. I used octaweb as wrong word I was to use the word longerhons. So I meant longerhons attachment points Sorry for the mistake

Do you mean "longerons"? You mean the FH side-core mounting points for the longerons?
yes the structure  getting attached to longerons
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Alexphysics on 01/29/2022 01:34 pm
guys I forgot the word as I had been stating of a thing related to Falcon heavy. I used octaweb as wrong word I was to use the word longerhons. So I meant longerhons attachment points Sorry for the mistake

Do you mean "longerons"? You mean the FH side-core mounting points for the longerons?
yes the structure  getting attached to longerons

Those structures are on the center core not the side boosters. The sides have the conection points for the longerons but the longerons remain on the center core after stage separation and you can see it on the onboard camera views that the side boosters deploy and then the longerons retract against the body of the center core. Also, the forward connection points for the side boosters are on the nosecone, with it being removed and changed by an interstage, there's obviously not gonna be anything like that on the booster.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/29/2022 01:58 pm
guys I forgot the word as I had been stating of a thing related to Falcon heavy. I used octaweb as wrong word I was to use the word longerhons. So I meant longerhons attachment points Sorry for the mistake

Do you mean "longerons"? You mean the FH side-core mounting points for the longerons?
yes the structure  getting attached to longerons

Those structures are on the center core not the side boosters. The sides have the conection points for the longerons but the longerons remain on the center core after stage separation and you can see it on the onboard camera views that the side boosters deploy and then the longerons retract against the body of the center core. Also, the forward connection points for the side boosters are on the nosecone, with it being removed and changed by an interstage, there's obviously not gonna be anything like that on the booster.
but the base longerons connection are on the side booster's octaweb so anything about that. I showed  it in the 3rd and 4th images and I used the image of a core booster as the last image to signify whose release point on the side booster I am asking
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/29/2022 03:44 pm
yes the structure  getting attached to longerons

The first photo is a conduit and not a longerons.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/29/2022 03:46 pm
Those structures are on the center core not the side boosters. The sides have the conection points for the longerons but the longerons remain on the center core after stage separation and you can see it on the onboard camera views that the side boosters deploy and then the longerons retract against the body of the center core.

Those are called struts.    longerons are structures (longitudinal) that run the length of a fuselage.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/29/2022 04:01 pm
Those structures are on the center core not the side boosters. The sides have the conection points for the longerons but the longerons remain on the center core after stage separation and you can see it on the onboard camera views that the side boosters deploy and then the longerons retract against the body of the center core.

Those are called struts.    longerons are structures (longitudinal) that run the length of a fuselage.
so the struts connection points are also removed now??
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 01/29/2022 04:09 pm
It's a clear but chilly morning out at Launch Complex 40 where B1052 is vertical and ready for another launch attempt later today.

Mission: COSMO SkyMed Time: NET 18:11 Eastern @NASASpaceflight overview:

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1487444951856209923
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 01/29/2022 04:36 pm
Think calming thoughts. The current winds are not favorable for a launch much less a landing.

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1487476298540855296
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 29 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/29/2022 05:24 pm
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1487491400870477827
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: DigitalMan on 01/29/2022 06:45 pm
We started getting some gusts last night, we are still getting some. Enough to bring down some branches.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/29/2022 07:36 pm
New cancel-and-replace NGA notices:

Quote from: NGA
291832Z JAN 22
NAVAREA IV 96/22(11,26,27).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
STRAITS OF FLORIDA.
OLD BAHAMA CHANNEL.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   302306Z TO 310004Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   312306Z JAN TO 010004Z FEB
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35-48N 080-35-01W, 28-37-00N 080-32-00W,
      28-35-00N 080-21-00W, 28-13-00N 080-09-00W,
      28-10-00N 080-15-00W, 28-10-00N 080-24-00W,
      28-26-43N 080-32-41W.
   B. 26-18-00N 079-22-00W, 26-18-00N 079-20-00W,
      25-29-00N 078-43-00W, 25-01-00N 078-44-00W,
      25-00-00N 078-51-00W, 25-28-00N 079-07-00W.
   C. 23-16-00N 079-31-00W, 23-28-00N 079-31-00W,
      23-38-00N 079-25-00W, 23-44-00N 079-13-00W,
      23-43-00N 079-02-00W, 23-38-00N 078-51-00W,
      23-28-00N 078-45-00W, 23-17-00N 078-45-00W,
      23-07-00N 078-51-00W, 23-01-00N 079-02-00W,
      23-01-00N 079-13-00W, 23-06-00N 079-24-00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 93/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 010104Z FEB 22.
Quote from: NGA
291936Z JAN 22
HYDROPAC 248/22(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   310041Z TO 310119Z JAN, ALTERNATE
   010041Z TO 010119Z FEB
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   39-10S 119-01W, 28-43S 117-27W,
   16-15S 114-20W, 03-31S 110-37W,
   03-57S 108-14W, 14-34S 108-52W,
   27-04S 111-28W, 39-42S 115-56W.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 243/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 010219Z FEB 22.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/29/2022 07:40 pm
New L-1 weather forecast.  >90% 'Go' for January 30 and January 31.  All Additional Risk Criteria are Low for both days.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Comga on 01/29/2022 08:26 pm
The SpaceX webcast page says
“Live in 25 hours January 30 6:10 PM”
Is that a scrub for today?
Is the launch time slipping to 6:10+25=6:25?
That could make for even better viewing.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: kdhilliard on 01/29/2022 09:15 pm
The SpaceX webcast page says
“Live in 25 hours January 30 6:10 PM”
Is that a scrub for today?

SpaceX tweeted out the slip at 13:22 EST "due to weather in Florida affecting pre-launch operations".  See five posts up (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54913.msg2335824#msg2335824).

Is the launch time slipping to 6:10+25=6:25?
That could make for even better viewing.

Agreed, 18:25 might have made for even better viewing, but no, T-0 is still at 18:11 EST.  That's just SpaceX's sloppily inconsistent setting of the "going live" time for their webcasts.  Sometimes they set it to T-0 even though they go live 10 to 15 minutes before then.  Sometimes they set it to closer to the actual time they go live.  This time they set it to T-1 minute.  Go figure!


Edited to add that we are again expecting clear skies for the launch attempt.  0% cloud cover predicted for the Cape and a good stretch south, 2 to 4% down in Fort Lauderdale and Miami.  (Source: Weather Underground.)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/30/2022 05:25 am
 
but the base longerons connection are on the side booster's octaweb so anything about that. I showed  it in the 3rd and 4th images and I used the image of a core booster as the last image to signify whose release point on the side booster I am asking
modified and

Those are called struts.    longerons are structures (longitudinal) that run the length of a fuselage.

asking for whether these points I was told to be struts connection points are now removed from booster or not
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: soltasto on 01/30/2022 12:59 pm
Once again, the updated "press kit" capture with OCR
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: kdhilliard on 01/30/2022 04:04 pm
Chinakpradhan, your question -- What signs of B1052's previous life as a FH side core are visible in its current incarnation as a F9 single core? -- is an interesting one.  As mentioned above by Alexphysics, its nose cone has been replaced with an interstage, so presumably there won't be any signs up there.  For the lower connections, a good comparison would be with this image (https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Falcon-Heavy-Flight-2-B1052-B1053-B1055-integration-SpaceX-full-res-1-crop-c.jpg) from an April 2019 Teslarati article (https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-heavy-block-5-photos/) on the Arabsat 6A FH mission booster matings.  Unfortunately, Trevor Mahlmann's CSG-2 photos don't show far enough down on the booster to reveal the connection points which are lower than the landing leg pivot hinges and are obscured by the Transporter Erector.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: getitdoneinspace on 01/30/2022 04:24 pm
A question for those that have seen a RTLS. Sitting now on the beach about a half mile south of Cocoa Beach pier. I was thinking of going to the grass plot near the SpaceX control building, but from where I'm sitting I see BO's launch site clearly and some structures looking north along the Coast. Should I stay where I'm at or go up to Port Canaveral? Here obviously has a  clear view over the ocean whereas the grass plot does not. Thanks to anyone that offers their opinion.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 04:52 pm
A question for those that have seen a RTLS. Sitting now on the beach about a half mile south of Cocoa Beach pier. I was thinking of going to the grass plot near the SpaceX control building, but from where I'm sitting I see BO's launch site clearly and some structures looking north along the Coast. Should I stay where I'm at or go up to Port Canaveral? Here obviously has a  clear view over the ocean whereas the grass plot does not. Thanks to anyone that offers their opinion.

Once the vehicle is above the tree line, it doesn't matter where you are with respect to the ocean.  And if you want to be closer, then seeing the ocean really doesn't matter.

I realized I don't need to see the pad, if I am not going to be close like on base.  I routinely watch from my house in Merritt Island. 

In summary, if you want to be close, get as close as possible.  If you don't want to be close, then a mile or two doesn't make much of a difference in watching the vehicle in flight.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Stan-1967 on 01/30/2022 04:55 pm
How about Jetty Park?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rocket Rancher on 01/30/2022 05:32 pm
A question for those that have seen a RTLS. Sitting now on the beach about a half mile south of Cocoa Beach pier. I was thinking of going to the grass plot near the SpaceX control building, but from where I'm sitting I see BO's launch site clearly and some structures looking north along the Coast. Should I stay where I'm at or go up to Port Canaveral? Here obviously has a  clear view over the ocean whereas the grass plot does not. Thanks to anyone that offers their opinion.

It doesn't matter between your 2 choices; but, is this your first launch? Do want the the loudest rumble or just a good view. I have seen a few launches in my day and it never gets old, but I am selective if I'm not out on base. For me with this launch trajectory to the south and a returning booster, I would go north of the Pier but south of the jetties, midway. You will see the vehicle rising once it clears the treeline and fly pass you going south, Then about 8 minutes later you get to see the booster fly back pass you as it lands just on the other side of the BO complex. Best of both worlds in my book. But today I too will be watching from MI.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: nalawod on 01/30/2022 06:44 pm
A question for those that have seen a RTLS. Sitting now on the beach about a half mile south of Cocoa Beach pier. I was thinking of going to the grass plot near the SpaceX control building, but from where I'm sitting I see BO's launch site clearly and some structures looking north along the Coast. Should I stay where I'm at or go up to Port Canaveral? Here obviously has a  clear view over the ocean whereas the grass plot does not. Thanks to anyone that offers their opinion.
I live in Cocoa Beach and have seen RTLS from near and far, from Jetty Park, to boat at sea, to Playalinda Beach. Jetty Park is a bit crowded and too close for my taste. By far my fav view of the RTLS is Cherie Down park, just a little to the south of Jetty Park and not "gate controlled".  You can't see the rocket on the pad and won't see it until it gets about T+ 10 seconds. Very few locations feature a view of the top of the rocket. Cherie Down is close enough to give you great sound and expansive view and very direct view of the landing.  Parking is free but pretty limited so if its full, I'd just park somewhere close and walk out there.
Here's a short vid from the beach the last time I went there: https://youtu.be/XVB2ZXgSHvE
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/30/2022 07:31 pm
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1487885842345508872
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ChrisC on 01/30/2022 08:07 pm
FYI we have a thread specifically about viewing KSC launches here, pinned to top of this section:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=44657.0

Nalawod, I am crossposting your post there.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:15 pm
NSF livestream. Starting in about 15 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMaO47Xylx0
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:17 pm
SpaceX mission audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPghRBrQvNw
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:27 pm
Spacecraft is on internal power.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:32 pm
T-40 minutes. NSF stream has started.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:34 pm
T-38 minutes. Launch director has given the go for propellant loading.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:37 pm
T-35 minutes. "Launch auto sequence has started." I believe this means that propellant loading has begun.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:47 pm
T-25 minutes. Hard to see any vapour from this view.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:52 pm
T-20 minute vent.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:55 pm
T-16 minutes. Second stage LOX loading has begun.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:57 pm
SpaceX webcast has begun.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:58 pm
Cruise liner heading into the no-go zone!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: cpushack on 01/30/2022 09:58 pm
Wayward ship , should be a big fine
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 09:58 pm
Landing zone one.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:02 pm
T-10 minutes. ASI video on payload.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:05 pm
T-7 minutes. Thales Alenia Space video. Engine chill should be starting about now.

Stage 1 RP-1 load is complete.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:07 pm
T-5 minutes. Pressing tanks for strong-back retract.

Strongback retract has started.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:08 pm
T-4 minutes. Arms are retracting.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:09 pm
T-3 minutes. Stage 1 LOX load is complete.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:10 pm
T-2 minutes. Stage 2 LOX load is complete.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:11 pm
T-1 minute.

Hold! Red range.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 30 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:12 pm
Hold was at T-33 seconds due to ship in the range. Will be trying again tomorrow.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:14 pm
Wrapping up web cast.

Next attempt is tomorrow at 6:11:14 pm local (23:11:14 UTC). This will be the last opportunity before NROL 87.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/30/2022 10:15 pm
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1487927141073260548
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/30/2022 10:16 pm
Next launch attempt in 24 hours.
SpaceX webcast ended.



What cruise ship fouled the range?

This never happened on the "Love Boat." 🚢



Perhaps three SpaceX launches in three days?
CSG-2 January 31.
Starlink 4-7 February 1.
NROL-87 February 2.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Crispy on 01/30/2022 10:19 pm
Next launch attempt in 24 hours.
SpaceX webcast ended.



What cruise ship fouled the range?

This never happened on the "Love Boat." 🚢

Looks like Harmony of the Seas or Mardi Gras, going by Marinetraffic

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:372127/zoom:12 (https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:372127/zoom:12)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/30/2022 10:19 pm
Next launch attempt in 24 hours.
SpaceX webcast ended.



What cruise ship fouled the range?

This never happened on the "Love Boat." 🚢
It looks like it was this cruise >:(

https://twitter.com/Noah_Soderquist/status/1487924428751134721 (https://twitter.com/Noah_Soderquist/status/1487924428751134721)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: quagmire on 01/30/2022 10:21 pm
Harmony of the Seas.

Royal Caribbean can probably expect a nice fine and the captain probably fired. No way since they were departing the Port would they not know of the no go zone. It would be like departing DCA and flying straight through P-56 and then go, " What you mean there was a prohibited area?". Can't claim ignorance here......
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/30/2022 10:27 pm
Next launch attempt in 24 hours.
SpaceX webcast ended.



What cruise ship fouled the range?

This never happened on the "Love Boat." 🚢
It looks like it was this cruise >:(

https://twitter.com/Noah_Soderquist/status/1487924428751134721 (https://twitter.com/Noah_Soderquist/status/1487924428751134721)
Another image of the one who took center stage tonight.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Bob Shaw on 01/30/2022 10:29 pm
A gross failure of seamanship from a Captain responsible for a large number of passengers. NOTAMS next to an active set of launch sites are far from unexpected. Really, this is unacceptable - it isn't like a sailing vessel with bad winds or an engine failure or some other issue.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 01/30/2022 10:33 pm
Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad..

Russell Peters - comedian.

Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 10:36 pm

Royal Caribbean can probably expect a nice fine and the captain probably fired. No way since they were departing the Port would they not know of the no go zone. It would be like departing DCA and flying straight through P-56 and then go, " What you mean there was a prohibited area?". Can't claim ignorance here......

nonsense.   The captain will not be fired. 

Also, the port pilot is not blameless.  He is the one navigating.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 10:38 pm
Here's the path the ship took. Two paths are show, one from yesterday and the current path. You can see where the ship turned south at about T-20 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rocket Rancher on 01/30/2022 10:38 pm
A gross failure of seamanship from a Captain responsible for a large number of passengers. NOTAMS next to an active set of launch sites are far from unexpected. Really, this is unacceptable - it isn't like a sailing vessel with bad winds or an engine failure or some other issue.

Whatever happened to innocence until found guilty in a court of law. Lets just wait for the details of the case please.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: hektor on 01/30/2022 10:38 pm
We talk of what…. 7000 to 9000 people in the no go zone. That must be some kind of record.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 10:39 pm
A gross failure of seamanship from a Captain responsible for a large number of passengers. NOTAMS next to an active set of launch sites are far from unexpected. Really, this is unacceptable - it isn't like a sailing vessel with bad winds or an engine failure or some other issue.

the passengers were never in danger
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 10:40 pm
We talk of what…. 7000 to 9000 people in the no go zone. That must be some kind of record.

<5000.  They aren't selling out
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Perchlorate on 01/30/2022 10:42 pm
Here's the path the ship took. Two paths are show, one from yesterday and the current path. You can see where the ship turned South at about T-10 minutes.

Anyone readily able to overlay the restricted zone onto this image?

Looks like maybe USCG got through to them and they were trying to exit, just couldn't in time.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: hektor on 01/30/2022 10:42 pm
Per my book Harmony of the Seas has a crew of 2394 and a capacity of 6687 paying passengers. Business is bad these days?

5000 would mean less than half capacity
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rocket Rancher on 01/30/2022 10:42 pm
We talk of what…. 7000 to 9000 people in the no go zone. That must be some kind of record.

It would definitely beat the record of 4 sleeping shrimpers!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/30/2022 10:46 pm
Tomorrow on the webcast we'll need John Insprucker as a good luck for this flight... Duh... :-\
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: The Roadie on 01/30/2022 10:46 pm
Number of passengers and low probability of incident does not excuse the mariner's incompetence displayed today.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Perchlorate on 01/30/2022 10:47 pm
Per my book Harmony of the Seas has a crew of 2394 and a capacity of 6687 paying passengers. Business is bad these days?

5000 would mean less than half capacity

55% is less than half?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 10:49 pm
Per my book Harmony of the Seas has a crew of 2394 and a capacity of 6687 paying passengers. Business is bad these days?

5000 would mean less than half capacity

COVID is still impacting the industry.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: hektor on 01/30/2022 10:49 pm
I considered the crew as fixed so I considered 5000 meant only less than 3000 paying passengers so less than half capacity.  I do not know about that, is the number of passengers taken into account to determine the number of crew members
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 11:00 pm
if the ship was beyond the 12 mile limit, there is no recourse.  NOTAMS aren't enforceable out there
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: jeffkruse on 01/30/2022 11:00 pm
I still don’t know what ship it was but the one leaving port was so selfish.  I was on the pier and if there was a launch the boat blocked the entire view of the first 10+ seconds of the launch.  It’s towers above you.


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Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Robotbeat on 01/30/2022 11:07 pm
if the ship was beyond the 12 mile limit, there is no recourse.  NOTAMS aren't enforceable out there
sounds like a good way for foreign actors to delay national security launches! :)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/30/2022 11:12 pm
if the ship was beyond the 12 mile limit, there is no recourse.  NOTAMS aren't enforceable out there

I estimate the ship was about 19 km (10 nautical miles) from the shoreline when it turned south, so I believe that put's the ship in US jurisdiction.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: hektor on 01/30/2022 11:13 pm
if the ship was beyond the 12 mile limit, there is no recourse.  NOTAMS aren't enforceable out there
sounds like a good way for foreign actors to delay national security launches! :)

Shhhh someone might read you 🤫
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 11:14 pm
if the ship was beyond the 12 mile limit, there is no recourse.  NOTAMS aren't enforceable out there
sounds like a good way for foreign actors to delay national security launches! :)

always has been
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 01/30/2022 11:16 pm
Aren't sea captains required to read any and all notices that might affect the vessel, such as NOTAMs BEFORE leaving port?

Or

Isn't the Coast Guard notified of any and all vessels leaving port that might infringe on the exclusion zone?

I'm asking because I don't know.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 11:19 pm
also, what says the launch has priority over the ship's schedule?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: rsnellenberger on 01/30/2022 11:20 pm

Royal Caribbean can probably expect a nice fine and the captain probably fired. No way since they were departing the Port would they not know of the no go zone. It would be like departing DCA and flying straight through P-56 and then go, " What you mean there was a prohibited area?". Can't claim ignorance here......

nonsense.   The captain will not be fired. 

Also, the port pilot is not blameless.  He is the one navigating.
Wrong. A ship's master always bears full responsibility for the safe navigation of the ship; a pilot acts (legally) only in an advisory capacity, and the master always has the duty to take control and/or relieve the pilot if circumstances warrant.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/30/2022 11:25 pm

Royal Caribbean can probably expect a nice fine and the captain probably fired. No way since they were departing the Port would they not know of the no go zone. It would be like departing DCA and flying straight through P-56 and then go, " What you mean there was a prohibited area?". Can't claim ignorance here......

nonsense.   The captain will not be fired. 

Also, the port pilot is not blameless.  He is the one navigating.
Wrong. A ship's master always bears full responsibility for the safe navigation of the ship; a pilot acts (legally) only in an advisory capacity, and the master always has the duty to take control and/or relieve the pilot if circumstances warrant.

doesn't change anything.  The captain is not in trouble
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/30/2022 11:29 pm
New SpaceX Livestream.
https://youtu.be/zBxHrNIzp9w
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: haywoodfloyd on 01/30/2022 11:29 pm
also, what says the launch has priority over the ship's schedule?


I think it's more a question of professional courtesy, Falcon 9 has an instantaneous launch time but the ship has at least a little leeway in its schedule. Ship can change its course, while the Falcon 9 can't.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: crandles57 on 01/30/2022 11:30 pm
if the ship was beyond the 12 mile limit, there is no recourse.  NOTAMS aren't enforceable out there
sounds like a good way for foreign actors to delay national security launches! :)

always has been

NOTAMS or NOTMAR?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/30/2022 11:49 pm
Anyone know when the next attempt could be if a scrub happens again tomorrow? Heard something about tomorrow is the last launch attempt.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/31/2022 12:00 am
L-1 weather forecast.  >90% 'Go' for January 31.  90% 'Go' for February 1 (even though SpaceX said that January 31 will be the last attempt until after NROL-87).  All Additional Risk Criteria are Low for both days.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: rsnellenberger on 01/31/2022 12:00 am
also, what says the launch has priority over the ship's schedule?
33 USC section 1 (establishes the authority to regulate navigation in the navigable waters of the United States); sets up

CFR 165.775 (delegates to the Captain of the Port Jacksonville access control over four specific offshore safety zones. If a zone or subset is active, mariners may not transit that area without express permission.); sets up

Local Notice to Mariners (USCG, District 7, Week 04/21, January 25, 2022, pg 5), at the end of the SpaceX-specific note:
All provisions of the safety zone remain in effect; no person or vessel may enter, pass through or remain within the safety zone unless authorized by the Captain of the Port. Mariners are required to contact the Coast Guard via VHF-FM channel 16 to arrange for this authorization.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Hamish.Student on 01/31/2022 12:13 am
if the ship was beyond the 12 mile limit, there is no recourse.  NOTAMS aren't enforceable out there
sounds like a good way for foreign actors to delay national security launches! :)

always has been

NOTAMS or NOTMAR?
 
 
Thankyou. Was going to comment to same. 
NOTAM = Notice to Airmen 
NORMAR = Notice to Mariners 
 
Two seperate, but similar documents. I am surprised to see Jim make the mistake too. In this case, we are talking about NOTMAR not NOTAM.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: AJW on 01/31/2022 12:19 am
I get NOTAMS and TFRs (Temporary Flight Restrictions) in my email, so I can't imagine the cruise companies and their personnel don't receive the NOTMARs and RNAs, which define boundaries for naval restrictions.   I could see that with date changes, someone might have failed to send one out, but I can't imagine them being treated as optional or that a cruise ship has priority over a hazard area.

"Safety Zones (33 CFR Part 165 Subpart C): Generally, a safety zone is an area of water and/or land designated for a certain time for safety or environmental purposes. To protect human safety or the environment, a safety zone will limit public access to the area. Except for those situations where a safety zone is needed around an Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) facility, safety zones may not extend beyond the twelve-mile territorial sea. Regulations governing the establishment of safety zones on the OCS are located in 33 CFR Part 147."
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: JayDean on 01/31/2022 12:25 am
Are the Hazard Areas for the Starlink launch the same as those for the CSG launch today? Is it possible that the ship's crew became confused by all the recent schedule changes?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Zed_Noir on 01/31/2022 12:35 am
Are the Hazard Areas for the Starlink launch the same as those for the CSG launch today? Is it possible that the ship's crew became confused by all the recent schedule changes?
However the port pilot shouldn't be confused by hazard area schedule changes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: markbike528cbx on 01/31/2022 12:47 am
I get NOTAMS and TFRs (Temporary Flight Restrictions) in my email, so I can't imagine the cruise companies and their personnel don't receive the NOTMARs and RNAs, which define boundaries for naval restrictions.   I could see that with date changes, someone might have failed to send one out, but I can't imagine them being treated as optional or that a cruise ship has priority over a hazard area.

"Safety Zones (33 CFR Part 165 Subpart C): Generally, a safety zone is an area of water and/or land designated for a certain time for safety or environmental purposes. To protect human safety or the environment, a safety zone will limit public access to the area. Except for those situations where a safety zone is needed around an Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) facility, safety zones may not extend beyond the twelve-mile territorial sea. Regulations governing the establishment of safety zones on the OCS are located in 33 CFR Part 147."

I was about to ask if the Coast Guard or others could enforce safety zones out to the exclusive economic zone (EEZ), apparently not.  Thanks for the CFR quote (ends discussion of irrelevancies).
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Ken the Bin on 01/31/2022 01:20 am
New cancel-and-replace NGA notices.  Note that February 1 is listed as a backup day even though SpaceX said that January 31 would be the last attempt until after NROL-87.

Quote from: NGA
310047Z JAN 22
NAVAREA IV 106/22(11,26,27).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
STRAITS OF FLORIDA.
OLD BAHAMA CHANNEL.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   312306Z JAN TO 010004Z FEB, ALTERNATE
   012306Z TO 020004Z FEB
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35-48N 080-35-01W, 28-37-00N 080-32-00W,
      28-35-00N 080-21-00W, 28-13-00N 080-09-00W,
      28-10-00N 080-15-00W, 28-10-00N 080-24-00W,
      28-26-43N 080-32-41W.
   B. 26-18-00N 079-22-00W, 26-18-00N 079-20-00W,
      25-29-00N 078-43-00W, 25-01-00N 078-44-00W,
      25-00-00N 078-51-00W, 25-28-00N 079-07-00W.
   C. 23-16-00N 079-31-00W, 23-28-00N 079-31-00W,
      23-38-00N 079-25-00W, 23-44-00N 079-13-00W,
      23-43-00N 079-02-00W, 23-38-00N 078-51-00W,
      23-28-00N 078-45-00W, 23-17-00N 078-45-00W,
      23-07-00N 078-51-00W, 23-01-00N 079-02-00W,
      23-01-00N 079-13-00W, 23-06-00N 079-24-00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 96/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 020104Z FEB 22.
Quote from: NGA
310100Z JAN 22
HYDROPAC 254/22(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   010041Z TO 010119Z FEB, ALTERNATE
   020041Z TO 020119Z FEB
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   39-10S 119-01W, 28-43S 117-27W,
   16-15S 114-20W, 03-31S 110-37W,
   03-57S 108-14W, 14-34S 108-52W,
   27-04S 111-28W, 39-42S 115-56W.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 248/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 020219Z FEB 22.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/31/2022 01:50 am
New cancel-and-replace NGA notices.  Note that February 1 is listed as a backup day even though SpaceX said that January 31 would be the last attempt until after NROL-87.

Quote from: NGA
310047Z JAN 22
NAVAREA IV 106/22(11,26,27).
WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.
STRAITS OF FLORIDA.
OLD BAHAMA CHANNEL.
FLORIDA.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, ROCKET LAUNCHING
   312306Z JAN TO 010004Z FEB, ALTERNATE
   012306Z TO 020004Z FEB
   IN AREAS BOUND BY:
   A. 28-35-48N 080-35-01W, 28-37-00N 080-32-00W,
      28-35-00N 080-21-00W, 28-13-00N 080-09-00W,
      28-10-00N 080-15-00W, 28-10-00N 080-24-00W,
      28-26-43N 080-32-41W.
   B. 26-18-00N 079-22-00W, 26-18-00N 079-20-00W,
      25-29-00N 078-43-00W, 25-01-00N 078-44-00W,
      25-00-00N 078-51-00W, 25-28-00N 079-07-00W.
   C. 23-16-00N 079-31-00W, 23-28-00N 079-31-00W,
      23-38-00N 079-25-00W, 23-44-00N 079-13-00W,
      23-43-00N 079-02-00W, 23-38-00N 078-51-00W,
      23-28-00N 078-45-00W, 23-17-00N 078-45-00W,
      23-07-00N 078-51-00W, 23-01-00N 079-02-00W,
      23-01-00N 079-13-00W, 23-06-00N 079-24-00W.
2. CANCEL NAVAREA IV 96/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 020104Z FEB 22.
Quote from: NGA
310100Z JAN 22
HYDROPAC 254/22(22).
EASTERN SOUTH PACIFIC.
DNC 06.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
   010041Z TO 010119Z FEB, ALTERNATE
   020041Z TO 020119Z FEB
   IN AREA BOUND BY
   39-10S 119-01W, 28-43S 117-27W,
   16-15S 114-20W, 03-31S 110-37W,
   03-57S 108-14W, 14-34S 108-52W,
   27-04S 111-28W, 39-42S 115-56W.
2. CANCEL HYDROPAC 248/22.
3. CANCEL THIS MSG 020219Z FEB 22.

As I understand it, if CSG-2 is not launched tomorrow, Monday, the manifest will look like this


Starlink 4-7 | February 1
NROL-87 | February 2
CSG-2 | February 3/4?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: aviators99 on 01/31/2022 01:53 am
When would it be obvious that the range would not be clear in time for the instantaneous window?  What is the incremental cost to continue LO2 loading after that point (if there was such a point prior to LO2 loads complete)?  Would it have made sense to scrub sooner?

I suppose it's possible that they were kept out of the maritime "loop" and didn't know, but that is also interesting.  It looks to me like there was no way it was going to go green.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/31/2022 03:38 am
Chinakpradhan, your question -- What signs of B1052's previous life as a FH side core are visible in its current incarnation as a F9 single core? -- is an interesting one.  As mentioned above by Alexphysics, its nose cone has been replaced with an interstage, so presumably there won't be any signs up there.  For the lower connections, a good comparison would be with this image (https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Falcon-Heavy-Flight-2-B1052-B1053-B1055-integration-SpaceX-full-res-1-crop-c.jpg) from an April 2019 Teslarati article (https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-heavy-block-5-photos/) on the Arabsat 6A FH mission booster matings.  Unfortunately, Trevor Mahlmann's CSG-2 photos don't show far enough down on the booster to reveal the connection points which are lower than the landing leg pivot hinges and are obscured by the Transporter Erector.
was the lower portion visible then during rollout after conversion to falcon 9
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/31/2022 04:09 am
Chinakpradhan, your question -- What signs of B1052's previous life as a FH side core are visible in its current incarnation as a F9 single core? -- is an interesting one.  As mentioned above by Alexphysics, its nose cone has been replaced with an interstage, so presumably there won't be any signs up there.  For the lower connections, a good comparison would be with this image (https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Falcon-Heavy-Flight-2-B1052-B1053-B1055-integration-SpaceX-full-res-1-crop-c.jpg) from an April 2019 Teslarati article (https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-falcon-heavy-block-5-photos/) on the Arabsat 6A FH mission booster matings.  Unfortunately, Trevor Mahlmann's CSG-2 photos don't show far enough down on the booster to reveal the connection points which are lower than the landing leg pivot hinges and are obscured by the Transporter Erector.
was the lower portion visible then during rollout after conversion to falcon 9
bad luck
I have to wait for the arrival of this booster after it's 1st droneship landing and recovery or a high definition close image of this launch as it is no image of the booster aft till now
For prelaunch I can get to this much only due to transporter erector spoiling the show
https://mobile.twitter.com/therealjonvh/status/1487159000533721091
In the transporting of booster for slc40 we would have seen it if the engines were not covered
https://mobile.twitter.com/HomemDoEspacoBr/status/1486803834714443785
Case left open till launch of B1052.4 if it is a droneship landing
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/31/2022 04:43 am
And i will recommend that since the nearing falcon heavy launches are expendable core-recoverable sides launches, it must be good that the mechanism of this longerons and struts must be divided and launched on side boosters so that the longerons struts system will recoverable and this would good for pyshe-europa clipper side boosters as this mechanism will not then be be allowed for those launches that have recoverable cores.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/31/2022 04:54 am
And i will recommend that since the nearing falcon heavy launches are expendable core-recoverable sides launches, it must be good that the mechanism of this longerons and struts must be divided and launched on side boosters so that the longerons struts system will recoverable and this would good for pyshe-europa clipper side boosters as this mechanism will not then be be allowed for those launches that have recoverable cores.
and will also work on stp 2 like missions where cores landing in terms of trajectory was possible but so hard and challenging with reentry problems that they are not possible to happen
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: DJPledger on 01/31/2022 08:37 am
Royal Caribbean must pay SpaceX for the cost of the launch scrub in full as well as getting fined for the range violation.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: kevinof on 01/31/2022 09:35 am
Don't know if this helps. This is from the U.S. Coast Guard notice to mariners. Basically the V-AIS markers will display on the chart systems on ships/boats and marks each corner of the keep out zone.

This is in addition to the regular text based notices with a lat/long marking the extent of the keep out zone. They would also broadcast on VHF.

https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/lnms/lnm07042022.pdf

"The U.S. Coast Guard has approved the use of a Virtual Automatic Identification System Private Aid to Navigation (V-AIS PATON) to mark a
restricted navigation area during a space launch. The Coast Guard authorized the Space Exploration Technologies Corporation, better known as
SpaceX, to use V-AIS PATONs to inform mariners of non-charted restricted zones around launch areas. While the Coast Guard does not approve
V-AIS PATON for all restricted areas, particularly charted ones, the space launch zones are non-charted, dynamic and temporary. Safety zones
are designed to keep vessels from entering the launch area while an active rocket launch is taking place.
The Captain of the Port Jacksonville may activate one or more of the safety zones described in 33 CFR 165.775, typically 45 minutes prior to the
opening of a scheduled launch window. At that time, SpaceX will transmit V-AIS aids marking the corners of the active safety zone. The V-AIS aids
will remain transmitting until the Captain of the Port Jacksonville has deactivated the safety zone. For example, if zone B as described in 33 CFR
165.775(a)(2) were activated, the V-AIS aids would be labeled:
N 28° 48.8’ W 80° 28.9’ (28.813333 -80.481667) N1*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663027
N 28° 29.7’ W 80° 18.9’ (28.495000 -80.315000) E2*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663028
N 28° 29.7’ W 80° 31.6’ (28.495000 -80.526667) S3*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663029
N 28° 40.1’ W 80° 38.4’ (28.668333 -80.640000) W4*X*33CFR165.775 (A) (2), MMSI# 993663030
If a vessel equipped with AIS is determined to be entering the launch hazard area, an addressed safety message 14 with the text "REGULATED
AREA 33 CFR 165.775 ACTIVE STAY CLEAR" will be transmitted to the vessel. All provisions of the safety zone remain in effect; no person or vessel
may enter, pass through or remain within the safety zone unless authorized by the Captain of the Port. Mariners are required to contact the
Coast Guard via VHF-FM channel 16 to arrange for this authorization"
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/31/2022 10:38 am
Royal Caribbean must pay SpaceX for the cost of the launch scrub in full as well as getting fined for the range violation.
as per the thumb rule, the main issue of launch scrub is propellants. Spacex F9 is a liquid fueled rocket and uses LOX oxidizer and highly expensive RP-1 kerosene fuel both of which are liquid and as liquid rocket propellants cannot be stored. Each scrub destroys or ozers away the fuel stored on earlier launch scrubs rocket was either half full or empty. But on this launch the rocket was fully fueled at T-33s. So a full launch propellants wasted.

I gave preference to propellants since a F9 reused rocket launch costs only a F9 2nd stage and the propellants LOX+RP-1. If Royal Caribbean cannot pay the launch cost and fine pay Spacex the propellants costs.

Am so this launch contained more propellants than any droneship trajectory launch so similarly more costly launch scrub
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: catdlr on 01/31/2022 10:48 am
LInk to the Cruise Critic Internet Forum on this topic with maps.

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2827556-harmony-just-caused-space-x-launch-cancellation/page/2/
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: eriblo on 01/31/2022 11:14 am
Royal Caribbean must pay SpaceX for the cost of the launch scrub in full as well as getting fined for the range violation.
as per the thumb rule, the main issue of launch scrub is propellants. Spacex F9 is a liquid fueled rocket and uses LOX oxidizer and highly expensive RP-1 kerosene fuel both of which are liquid and as liquid rocket propellants cannot be stored. Each scrub destroys or ozers away the fuel stored on earlier launch scrubs rocket was either half full or empty. But on this launch the rocket was fully fueled at T-33s. So a full launch propellants wasted.

I gave preference to propellants since a F9 reused rocket launch costs only a F9 2nd stage and the propellants LOX+RP-1. If Royal Caribbean cannot pay the launch cost and fine pay Spacex the propellants costs.

Am so this launch contained more propellants than any droneship trajectory launch so similarly more costly launch scrub
The propellants are offloaded and used for the next launch. The losses are, in likely order of cost:

Whatever amount of helium that has been used to pressurize the tanks at that point in the loading sequence.
A relatively small amount of oxygen boil off.
Liquid nitrogen or electrical power used for subcooling (might be more than lost LOX cost).

All F9s launch fully loaded as it gives higher margins and any savings are to small to be worth extra analysis  or modifications to procedures.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 01/31/2022 11:36 am
Royal Caribbean must pay SpaceX for the cost of the launch scrub in full as well as getting fined for the range violation.
as per the thumb rule, the main issue of launch scrub is propellants. Spacex F9 is a liquid fueled rocket and uses LOX oxidizer and highly expensive RP-1 kerosene fuel both of which are liquid and as liquid rocket propellants cannot be stored. Each scrub destroys or ozers away the fuel stored on earlier launch scrubs rocket was either half full or empty. But on this launch the rocket was fully fueled at T-33s. So a full launch propellants wasted.

I gave preference to propellants since a F9 reused rocket launch costs only a F9 2nd stage and the propellants LOX+RP-1. If Royal Caribbean cannot pay the launch cost and fine pay Spacex the propellants costs.

Am so this launch contained more propellants than any droneship trajectory launch so similarly more costly launch scrub
The propellants are offloaded and used for the next launch. The losses are, in likely order of cost:

Whatever amount of helium that has been used to pressurize the tanks at that point in the loading sequence.
A relatively small amount of oxygen boil off.
Liquid nitrogen or electrical power used for subcooling (might be more than lost LOX cost).

All F9s launch fully loaded as it gives higher margins and any savings are to small to be worth extra analysis  or modifications to procedures.
thanks
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/31/2022 12:04 pm
Royal Caribbean must pay SpaceX for the cost of the launch scrub in full

No, it doesn't.  Plus it wasn't their ship.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: lenny97 on 01/31/2022 12:07 pm
https://twitter.com/WordsmithFL/status/1488121644161937409
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/31/2022 12:08 pm
]as per the thumb rule, the main issue of launch scrub is propellants. Spacex F9 is a liquid fueled rocket and uses LOX oxidizer and highly expensive RP-1 kerosene fuel both of which are liquid and as liquid rocket propellants cannot be stored. Each scrub destroys or ozers away the fuel stored on earlier launch scrubs rocket was either half full or empty. But on this launch the rocket was fully fueled at T-33s. So a full launch propellants wasted.


Wrong.  All of the RP-1 is reused.  And most of the LOX can be recovered. 
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: crandles57 on 01/31/2022 12:45 pm
The propellants are offloaded and used for the next launch. The losses are, in likely order of cost:

Whatever amount of helium that has been used to pressurize the tanks at that point in the loading sequence.
A relatively small amount of oxygen boil off.
Liquid nitrogen or electrical power used for subcooling (might be more than lost LOX cost).

All F9s launch fully loaded as it gives higher margins and any savings are to small to be worth extra analysis  or modifications to procedures.

Cost of employees' time might figure higher up that list?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jim on 01/31/2022 12:58 pm

Cost of employees' time might figure higher up that list?

They are paid whether it is a launch day or not
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: LouScheffer on 01/31/2022 01:14 pm
LInk to the Cruise Critic Internet Forum on this topic with maps.

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2827556-harmony-just-caused-space-x-launch-cancellation/page/2/
An interesting section from that article on who bears the blame:
Quote
And the USCG?  Unless they were not broadcasting the required "Notice to Mariners" outlining the exclusion zone, which they do every 5 minutes for 2 hours before the exclusion zone became active, on the international distress channel VHF 16, which every ship is required to monitor at all times, then the USCG has no blame.  This falls directly on the Captain of the ship, and no one else.
(bold theirs)  If this is true (I'm not a maritime procedures expert), then this seems a lot less forgivable than missing a notice.  Not listening to, or ignoring, emergency broadcasts could easily escalate into a safety-of-life issue.  Another possible explanation, that they know of the exclusion area, but mis-plotted the zone (or their course) seems not much better.

While the Captain may not be in legal trouble, he had better expect a call from the chief Captain's office. 
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: scr00chy on 01/31/2022 01:26 pm

Cost of employees' time might figure higher up that list?

They are paid whether it is a launch day or not

But they wasted a day's worth of work. That's still value lost.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 01/31/2022 01:41 pm
]as per the thumb rule, the main issue of launch scrub is propellants. Spacex F9 is a liquid fueled rocket and uses LOX oxidizer and highly expensive RP-1 kerosene fuel both of which are liquid and as liquid rocket propellants cannot be stored. Each scrub destroys or ozers away the fuel stored on earlier launch scrubs rocket was either half full or empty. But on this launch the rocket was fully fueled at T-33s. So a full launch propellants wasted.


Wrong.  All of the RP-1 is reused.  And most of the LOX can be recovered.
Also, the protocol is to always try to launch until the last second, it happened yesterday with the violation of the exlusion zone when they tried to launch until T-33 seconds knowing that the cruise would not make it and it happened on Friday when the weather was bad and when there were about T-2 minutes left they decided to cancel the launch when it was known that the weather was in the red a long time before.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: leetdan on 01/31/2022 02:21 pm
Plus it wasn't their ship.

Are you sure about that?  The USCG was heard on VHF communicating with Harmony OTS about the NOTMAR and the ensuing scrub.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: wannamoonbase on 01/31/2022 02:24 pm

Cost of employees' time might figure higher up that list?

They are paid whether it is a launch day or not

But they wasted a day's worth of work. That's still value lost.

Scrubs are part of the business, somedays it's weather, somedays it's a stupid boat.  The ones that hurt are when it's GSE, payload or vehicle related, ones that are in your control.

When I lived at the Cape I went to every possible launch, those were Delta 2's, Atlas 2's and 3's and Shuttle.  I think SpaceX has done an excellent job controlling what they can on their side, they very seldom have vehicle or GSE problems that require a scrub.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Barley on 01/31/2022 04:20 pm

Scrubs are part of the business, somedays it's weather, somedays it's a stupid boat.  The ones that hurt are when it's GSE, payload or vehicle related, ones that are in your control.

That depends on whether you're a GSE engineer, a forecaster or a coastie.

You want everyone to care, even about things that are not yet in their control but might be if they can only figure out how to work smarter.

Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: AC in NC on 01/31/2022 05:06 pm
Royal Caribbean must pay SpaceX for the cost of the launch scrub in full as well as getting fined for the range violation.
as per the thumb rule, the main issue of launch scrub is propellants. Spacex F9 is a liquid fueled rocket and uses LOX oxidizer and highly expensive RP-1 kerosene fuel both of which are liquid and as liquid rocket propellants cannot be stored. Each scrub destroys or ozers away the fuel stored on earlier launch scrubs rocket was either half full or empty. But on this launch the rocket was fully fueled at T-33s. So a full launch propellants wasted.

I gave preference to propellants since a F9 reused rocket launch costs only a F9 2nd stage and the propellants LOX+RP-1. If Royal Caribbean cannot pay the launch cost and fine pay Spacex the propellants costs.

Am so this launch contained more propellants than any droneship trajectory launch so similarly more costly launch scrub
My God.  This is so wrong.  You owe it to the community to edit your post and at least strikethrough what you've got wrong.  It's a disservice to state things so wrong with an air of certitude.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: soltasto on 01/31/2022 05:27 pm
Hoping this is the last one, but here is the updated "press kit" capture with OCR
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ChrisC on 01/31/2022 06:47 pm
Florida Today update confirming that it was Harmony of the Seas, and that the Coast Guard is investigating: https://www.floridatoday.com/story/money/business/2022/01/31/coast-guard-begins-investigation-royal-caribbean-ship-caused-spacex-scrub/9287700002/

FYI, this forum has a user-block feature:  go to YOUR profile, modify, ignore list, add new user.  Occasionally I find it useful when someone is repeatedly making low-quality posts ...
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ZachS09 on 01/31/2022 07:00 pm
I really hope the fifth try will be the charm. Usually, they say it’s the third try, but this is one of those exceptions.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ajmarco on 01/31/2022 07:34 pm
I really hope the fifth try will be the charm. Usually, they say it’s the third try, but this is one of those exceptions.

Its the third third try so we should be all good.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/31/2022 07:38 pm
I really hope the fifth try will be the charm.

SFN, SpaceX preps for launch of spy satellite payload from California this week (https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/01/31/spacex-preps-for-launch-of-spy-satellite-payload-from-california-this-week/), January 31
Quote
Bad weather kept the Falcon 9 rocket on the ground at pad 40 on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, then a cruise ship ventured into the offshore hazard area under the rocket’s flight path Sunday.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Eagandale4114 on 01/31/2022 07:49 pm
Coast Guard confirms it was the Harmony of the Seas

https://twitter.com/emrekelly/status/1488216681109413891?s=21
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:14 pm
NSF Livestream, starting in about 16 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUAW1DT7tY
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:15 pm
SpaceX Mission Control audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDedGNUDawc
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:28 pm
"Spacecraft is on internal power."
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:32 pm
T-40 minutes. NSF stream has started.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:32 pm
Performing propellant loading go/no poll.

T-38 minutes. Launch director should be giving the go for propellant loading about now.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:37 pm
Go for propellant load.

T-35 minutes. Launch auto sequence has started.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:46 pm
T-25 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:52 pm
Stage 2 RP-1 load is complete.

T-20 minute vent.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 09:55 pm
T-16 minutes. Stage 2 LOX load has started.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:00 pm
SpaceX coverage has started.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:02 pm
T-10 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: alugobi on 01/31/2022 10:03 pm
Not a good look there, Roberto.  Unclench a little bit.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:05 pm
T-7 minutes. Engine chill has started.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:05 pm
Stage 1 RP-1 load is complete.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:07 pm
T-5 minutes. Pressing tanks for strongback retract.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:08 pm
T-4 minutes. Clamp arms have retracted.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:09 pm
T-3 minutes. Stage 1 LOX load complete.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:10 pm
T-2 minutes.

Stage 2 LOX load is complete.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:11 pm
T-1 minute. Falcon 9 is in startup.

Go for launch.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:12 pm
Liftoff!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:13 pm
T+1 minute.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:14 pm
T+2 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:14 pm
Separation!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:15 pm
T+3 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:15 pm
Fairing separation.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: LouScheffer on 01/31/2022 10:16 pm
The fairing jettison was really high - about 150 km!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:17 pm
T+5 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:18 pm
Entry burn.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:19 pm
T+7 minutes.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:20 pm
Touchdown!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:21 pm
SECO-1. Nominal orbit insertion.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: webdan on 01/31/2022 10:22 pm
What a great launch.

Watched it going up, separation was wild, boostback burn obvious, thrusters fully visible, and then, the best part, first landing burn all in 7x35... super view from my driveway.

Glad it was super clear. People walking by (with dogs as usual) were quite impressed! (you do have to tell people what you're looking at with binoculars otherwise, well, idiot).

Edit: Typo (duh) and added text.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: JayWee on 01/31/2022 10:22 pm
Did they upgrade the tracking cameras or i didn't notice it earlier? Amazing shots.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Oersted on 01/31/2022 10:22 pm
Separation!

Unbelievable zoom and clarity on that 2nd stage separation!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:22 pm
Expected LOS Cape.

T+10 minutes. Upcoming events.

00:56:01    2nd stage engine restarts
00:56:04    2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2)
01:00:05    COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation FM2 deployment
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: alugobi on 01/31/2022 10:25 pm
At lift off, launch lady said, "In boca al lupo."  Italian for "in the mouth of the wolf", a colloquialism for good luck.  (The satellite is Italian.)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Oersted on 01/31/2022 10:25 pm
Did they upgrade the tracking cameras or i didn't notice it earlier? Amazing shots.

This launch headed straight South so it flew closer to some of the tracking camera stations. Never-before-seen shots.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: pb2000 on 01/31/2022 10:26 pm
Quote from: SpaceX
View of Falcon 9's stage separation from ground cameras
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1488290682364063747
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Lars-J on 01/31/2022 10:26 pm
Did they upgrade the tracking cameras or i didn't notice it earlier? Amazing shots.
Yes amazing shots, but it was probably better than usual for two reasons:
1. The SSO dogleg means that staging happens closer to the coast and camera
2. The light conditions were ideal, with clearer air.

I wish they would have stuck with that tracking shot much longer, so we could have seen the fairing separation.

But I expect there will be several amateur tracking shots being uploaded soon that will show just as good detail.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: freda on 01/31/2022 10:28 pm
Did they upgrade the tracking cameras or i didn't notice it earlier? Amazing shots.

This launch headed straight South so it flew closer to some of the tracking camera stations. Never-before-seen shots.

Yes.  Quite exciting video as it flew down the coast.  I was hoping they would hold that shot to see fairing separation.  Oh well.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Comga on 01/31/2022 10:33 pm
What a great view from southern Florida!!
We saw so much
First stage, MECO, SES-1, boostback burn, the plumes playing against each other, cold gas thrusters, FAIRING SEPARATION, entry burn, and now the remnant smoke ring clouds from the boostback burn!
All by eye!
Fairing separation was close to zenith.
And we had a big crew, eight or more
Such a triumph!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 10:38 pm
AOS.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: pb2000 on 01/31/2022 10:39 pm
Did they upgrade the tracking cameras or i didn't notice it earlier? Amazing shots.

This launch headed straight South so it flew closer to some of the tracking camera stations. Never-before-seen shots.

Yes.  Quite exciting video as it flew down the coast.  I was hoping they would hold that shot to see fairing separation.  Oh well.
They just cut away to a different feed, so the they may still have the footage. Maybe Elon will release it on Twitter.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: erv on 01/31/2022 10:41 pm
There was a short moment with fairing sep as well. Maybe second or two. Impressive!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/31/2022 10:44 pm
I wish they would have stuck with that tracking shot much longer, so we could have seen the fairing separation.
The SpaceX coverage briefly returned to the ground tracking camera a few seconds later.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jeff Lerner on 01/31/2022 10:47 pm
I’m in Boca Raton, Fl….others have said it but the view of the launch was amazing !!…s1/s2 sep was clear as a bell…s2 burning….fairing sep, …I was able to follow s2 for over 5 minutes ..I’m sure I also saw the entry burn…my photo skills are poor …the picture doesn’t due justice as to how clear the viewing was…
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/31/2022 10:48 pm
I believe we've seen 1 second M-Vac burns.
What is the shortest burn possible?
00:56:01    2nd stage engine restarts
00:56:04    2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/31/2022 10:49 pm
I believe we've seen 1 second M-Vac burns.
What is the shortest burn possible?
00:56:01    2nd stage engine restarts
00:56:04    2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2)

Yeah we’ve seen like 1 second burns before.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: RocketLover0119 on 01/31/2022 10:52 pm
Saw it from Tampa! Insanely crazy to see.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: pb2000 on 01/31/2022 11:00 pm
Everyday Astronaut has Tweeted at Elon asking about getting the full footage from the tracking camera and people on his livestream just said that Elon liked the tweet, so there is hope.

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1488291595434799105
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 11:06 pm
AOS Diego Garcia. Engine chill is underway.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 11:07 pm
One minute to ignition.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 11:08 pm
Ignition and cutoff. Good orbit.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 11:09 pm
Three minutes to separation.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 11:11 pm
One minute to separation.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 11:12 pm
Separation!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 01/31/2022 11:13 pm
End of webcast.

Congratulations to SpaceX and ASI for the successful launch!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 01/31/2022 11:15 pm
Thank you, Steven, for your launch thread coverage!

And thank you to our webcast team!



First successful SpaceX launch of a trio!
CSG-2, January 31, from Canaveral SLC-40;

Coming up, NROL-87, February 2, from Vandenberg SLC-4E;

And coming up February 3, Starlink 4-7, from Kennedy LC-39A.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Citabria on 01/31/2022 11:54 pm
Oooooooo! Just saw stage 2 cloud pass by from Michigan in the western sky! Awesome!
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 02/01/2022 12:55 am
Official images of the CSG-2 launch taken from the SpaceX website code.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 02/01/2022 01:17 am
Quote
We demand to see this shot in full resolution from launch through fairing separation!!!

Using please and thank you...
Please, we ask to see this shot in full resolution from launch through fairing separation!!!
Thank you.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/01/2022 01:30 am
First time seen 2nd right till 10 second after fairing deploy clearly amazing I will remember this
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/01/2022 01:44 am
After multiple weather delays and a cruise ship range violation, Falcon 9 has launched the #CSG2 mission. B1052 has officially landed on land three times with this being the first as a Falcon 9.

https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/status/1488304732565344256
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/01/2022 01:48 am
oh, ship yeah
launch, land, and relaunch
@spacex's twilight falcon 9 mission tonight..

https://twitter.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1488293353204719618
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: JuaniX on 02/01/2022 02:12 am
Hi! Here I come with my little times table for this launch.

From this tweet, this in this occasion, for the 'to the second' lift-off time (if you know of a more precise source, I'll be thankful):
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1488273976568725505

And the official livestream:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zBxHrNIzp9w

T+min:sec      UTC         Event
00:00         23:11:14      Lift-off
01:03         23:12:17      Supersonic
01:15         23:12:29      Max Q (moment of peak mechanical stress on the rocket)
02:19         23:13:33      1st stage main engine cutoff (MECO)
02:23         23:13:37      1st and 2nd stages separate
02:28         23:13:42      2nd stage engine starts
02:33         23:13:47      1st stage boostback burn begins
03:25         23:14:39      1st stage boostback burn complete
03:50         23:15:04      Fairing deployment
06:11         23:17:25      1st stage entry burn begins
06:34         23:17:48      1st stage entry burn complete
07:14         23:18:28      Transonic
07:18         23:18:32      1st stage landing burn begins
07:53         23:19:07      1st stage lands on Landing Zone 1
08:51         23:20:05      2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO)
56:04         00:07:18      2nd stage engine restarts
56:09         00:07:23      2nd stage engine cutoff (SECO-2)
60:10         00:11:24      COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation FM2 deployment
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: SPKirsch on 02/01/2022 02:22 am
https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1488294721655029765
Quote
Incredible post-sunset display as SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket performs its boostback burn to return to land at Cape Canaveral after launching the COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation FM2 mission this evening!
https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1488295139483082759
Quote
CSG-2 finally lifts off at 6:11 PM ET from SLC-40!

📷: Me for @SuperclusterHQ
https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1488314935985725440
Quote
CSG-2 launched with booster 1052.
Booster 1052 have now completed 3 flights, landing at LZ-1 every time.

📷: Me for @SuperclusterHQ
@elonmusk
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/01/2022 03:49 am
First time seen 2nd right till 10 second after fairing deploy clearly amazing I will remember this
imagine how tiny this 2205 kg payload is
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: whitelancer64 on 02/01/2022 04:08 am
Is the second stage deorbiting? Or is it venting fuel and passivating?

Lots of pictures of the second stage making a bright spiral in the sky over the US, appearing to vent fuel.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: whitelancer64 on 02/01/2022 04:46 am
https://twitter.com/wxbrad/status/1488323478516289541


Apparently, it was the orbital circularization burn.

Does anyone know, if the second stage is deorbiting sometime later?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/01/2022 06:00 am
bad luck
I have to wait for the arrival of this booster after it's 1st droneship landing and recovery or a high definition close image of this launch as it is no image of the booster aft till now
For prelaunch I can get to this much only due to transporter erector spoiling the show
https://mobile.twitter.com/therealjonvh/status/1487159000533721091
In the transporting of booster for slc40 we would have seen it if the engines were not covered
https://mobile.twitter.com/HomemDoEspacoBr/status/1486803834714443785
Case left open till launch of B1052.4 if it is a droneship landing
though no confirmation through images this article may tell that the struts connections at booster's aft are removed
https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/02/01/italian-radar-satellite-rides-spacex-rocket-into-polar-orbit/
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 02/01/2022 06:53 am
Quote
Pretty cool to see the spiral vapor trail from the orbital burn for COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation satellite over the middle of the U.S.
No, the burn and dump visible over the US Midwest was the deorbit burn.

Orbit circularization occurred half an orbit earlier, followed by spacecraft separation.

See the maps in this post (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54913.msg2334708#msg2334708) up-thread.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/01/2022 08:25 am
Quote
Pretty cool to see the spiral vapor trail from the orbital burn for COSMO-SkyMed Second Generation satellite over the middle of the U.S.
No, the burn and dump visible over the US Midwest was the deorbit burn.

Orbit circularization occurred half an orbit earlier, followed by spacecraft separation.

See the maps in this post (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54913.msg2334708#msg2334708) up-thread.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlteredJamie/status/1488345582523588609
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: jacqmans on 02/01/2022 08:40 am
SpaceX photos
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: jacqmans on 02/01/2022 08:41 am
SpaceX photos
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: CorvusCorax on 02/01/2022 08:41 am
@Chris - where's all that awesome footage you showed during the lifestream? NSF must have had at least 3 cameras pointed at the rocket, but the actual life-stream switched back and forth between them and - due to time lag - missed some of the best moments (for example stage separation had not yet happened in one, and after the cut, S1 was already in boostback burn)

I looked here, I looked in S2, I looked on the NSF youtube channel - but there's nothing. Could you please upload some of that awesome rawfootage to youtube?

Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Semmel on 02/01/2022 09:05 am
Wow, thank you SpaceX team and especially ground camera operator for these stunning views! That was a job well done! I think this was the first time I have seen a fairing separation from the ground.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/01/2022 10:31 am
Wow, thank you SpaceX team and especially ground camera operator for these stunning views! That was a job well done! I think this was the first time I have seen a fairing separation from the ground.
and a exposed Falcon payload
First time seen 2nd right till 10 second after fairing deploy clearly amazing I will remember this
imagine how tiny this 2205 kg payload is
Title: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jakusb on 02/01/2022 10:41 am
https://twitter.com/florida_today/status/1488233132344098823?s=21

Investigation started into incident with cruise ship
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Citabria on 02/01/2022 01:32 pm
My view from Michigan was not spiral but I saw two bright fans spreading from the central spot. My sky was hazy with high cirrus so either I missed the spiral arms, or they hadn't spread yet, or my view was from the side. I guess the two fans are from LOX vents on either side of the stage, so-called non-propulsive vents. As the stage rotates, the fans form a spiral. Anyway, it was pretty cool!

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexDing2/status/1488480123112214528
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Oersted on 02/01/2022 03:00 pm
Quote
We demand to see this shot in full resolution from launch through fairing separation!!!

Using please and thank you...
Please, we ask to see this shot in full resolution from launch through fairing separation!!!
Thank you.

Elon and Tim are pretty close so I think Tim's way of putting it is just humorous and not disrespectful.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 28 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/01/2022 03:12 pm
bad luck
I have to wait for the arrival of this booster after it's 1st droneship landing and recovery or a high definition close image of this launch as it is no image of the booster aft till now
For prelaunch I can get to this much only due to transporter erector spoiling the show
https://mobile.twitter.com/therealjonvh/status/1487159000533721091
In the transporting of booster for slc40 we would have seen it if the engines were not covered
https://mobile.twitter.com/HomemDoEspacoBr/status/1486803834714443785
Case left open till launch of B1052.4 if it is a droneship landing
though no confirmation through images this article may tell that the struts connections at booster's aft are removed
https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/02/01/italian-radar-satellite-rides-spacex-rocket-into-polar-orbit/
https://twitter.com/ABernNYC/status/1488541913426898946?s=20&t=F-NWDWGXfCDK5QYzZ0-fzw h8
https://mobile.twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1488530494786609160
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 02/01/2022 05:13 pm
SpaceX teams have already secured Falcon 9 B1052 before it is brought to the Hangar.
https://twitter.com/FarryFaz/status/1488566925831643140 (https://twitter.com/FarryFaz/status/1488566925831643140)
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: TJL on 02/01/2022 05:39 pm
https://twitter.com/florida_today/status/1488233132344098823?s=21

Investigation started into incident with cruise ship

"Good things come for those who wait".
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: markbike528cbx on 02/01/2022 07:10 pm
LInk to the Cruise Critic Internet Forum on this topic with maps.

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/2827556-harmony-just-caused-space-x-launch-cancellation/page/2/
Thanks for the link.  It is interesting to see non-space nerd perspectives on this happening.
Those people were even more harsh on the captain than the crowd here. 

There was understandable confusion on why SpaceX didn't abort earlier. 
I guess they don't talk about instantaneous launch windows/ subcooled propellant over at cruisecritic  ;-).

I realized Harmony of the Seas was a big (over rowboat sized) but at 226,963 tonnes, it is twice the displacement of a nuclear aircraft carrier.

vesselfinder.com locks the max/min draft values, but maybe the skipper didn't turn due south(ish) from the Port Canaveral Channel due to draft concerns?
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: OneSpeed on 02/01/2022 09:59 pm
Here is a comparison between the webcast telemetry for the Transporter-3 and CSG-2 missions.

1. The boost phases are similar, although CSG-2 spent less time in the throttle bucket for Max-Q.
2. The dip in S2 acceleration for the dogleg manoeuvre is also very similar, but terminal guidance limits CSG-2 to around 3.5g, compared to 4.5g for T-3.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 01:30 am
Bob should arrive back to Port Canaveral tomorrow mid-morning with the fairing from CSG-2.

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1488627927935852544
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 01:31 am
Booster 1052-3 is already being prepped for processing after yesterday’s launch.

https://twitter.com/FarryFaz/status/1488566925831643140
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: catdlr on 02/02/2022 01:43 am
SpaceX - Boost Back-Entry-Landing Burns - CSG2 - Launch thru Landing 01-31-2022

Quote
Incredible sunset launch causing the first stage to put on a real light show! Excellent views thru the 18in. telescope. Difficult to adjust for aperture and shutter speed during fast-changing light conditions.

Start watching at 3:00

https://youtu.be/JXN4CCU7Ucw
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 10:39 am
Best View SpaceX Launch CosmosMed Jan 31 2022

https://youtu.be/x1K8eM1o3us
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 10:44 am
https://twitter.com/Star_Shattered/status/1488579962781245440?s=20&t=GOyPvMQkVGBF6_6vuEghOw
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 10:46 am
https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1488626318594002952?s=20&t=GOyPvMQkVGBF6_6vuEghOw
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 10:47 am
https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1488626852692471812?s=20&t=GOyPvMQkVGBF6_6vuEghOw
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 10:49 am
https://twitter.com/therealjonvh/status/1488705008153595916?s=20&t=GOyPvMQkVGBF6_6vuEghOw
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 10:50 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/SSCspace/status/1488445727395225603
Csg-2 sats working
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 10:51 am
https://twitter.com/baserunner0723/status/1488528353304981516?s=20&t=GOyPvMQkVGBF6_6vuEghOw
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 11:33 am
https://twitter.com/analoguepilot/status/1488572821920010243?s=20&t=Ff_eyzI1gwohABc_JyA5dA
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/02/2022 11:33 am
https://twitter.com/afspacemuseum/status/1488618542597656576?s=20&t=Ff_eyzI1gwohABc_JyA5dA
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 02:44 pm
Bob should arrive at Port Canaveral with the CSG-2 fairing around 11:45am ET this morning.

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1488877159976427520
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: matthewkantar on 02/02/2022 04:14 pm
SpaceX - Boost Back-Entry-Landing Burns - CSG2 - Launch thru Landing 01-31-2022

Quote
Incredible sunset launch causing the first stage to put on a real light show! Excellent views thru the 18in. telescope. Difficult to adjust for aperture and shutter speed during fast-changing light conditions.

Start watching at 3:00

https://youtu.be/JXN4CCU7Ucw

At 20:10 something comes off second stage. Looks too chunky to be the stiffener for the Mvac. Chunk of ice? This video is incredible.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: scr00chy on 02/02/2022 04:18 pm
https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1488923529777233922
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Comga on 02/02/2022 04:21 pm
SpaceX - Boost Back-Entry-Landing Burns - CSG2 - Launch thru Landing 01-31-2022

Quote
Incredible sunset launch causing the first stage to put on a real light show! Excellent views thru the 18in. telescope. Difficult to adjust for aperture and shutter speed during fast-changing light conditions.

Start watching at 3:00

At 20:10 something comes off second stage. Looks too chunky to be the stiffener for the Mvac. Chunk of ice? This video is incredible.

That’s one of the two halves of the second stage MVac bell stiffening ring. (Think “Tin Snips man”)
Others have noted this.
This ring is only centimeters wide
Sunlit against a darkening sky, high magnification, and super tracking contribute to this remarkable detection.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 06:41 pm
Bob has returned to Port Canaveral with 2 intact fairing halves from the beautiful #CSG2 launch.

As always, you can follow all the activity 24/7 via Fleetcam..

https://twitter.com/spacecoast_stve/status/1488942054726111233
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 06:43 pm
Bob offloading a fairing half.

https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1488951731199385601
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 06:44 pm
Bob returns with two fairing halves after CSG-2 mission which launched on Jan 31st.
People for scale.

https://twitter.com/JennyHPhoto/status/1488941301173207047
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/02/2022 06:49 pm
SpaceX Falcon 9 CSG-2: The life cycle of a booster from launch to landing

https://youtu.be/nHgrXRFLrZg
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Rondaz on 02/03/2022 12:19 am
Timelapse! Bob unloading the fairing halves from the CSG-2 mission earlier this afternoon.

https://twitter.com/SpaceOffshore/status/1489000761094778886
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Chinakpradhan on 02/03/2022 06:30 pm
https://twitter.com/chancebelloise/status/1488920111142653953

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-converted-falcon-heavy-booster-recovery/
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Oersted on 02/04/2022 09:27 pm
Would be nice if someone made a motion-stabilised version of the amazing, zoomed-in booster separation footage.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Yiosie on 02/04/2022 10:21 pm
Would be nice if someone made a motion-stabilised version of the amazing, zoomed-in booster separation footage.

Here's one:

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1488324971302633472
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Oersted on 02/05/2022 09:02 am
That's pretty sweet, thank you. Those shots will only get better in the future, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: pb2000 on 02/05/2022 11:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWUv7XXBb2Y
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: ulm_atms on 02/06/2022 12:04 am
Now that is the good stuff above  ;D

Anyone know what they used to shoot that video?  It is just so clear!  That is the most amazing image stabilization I have ever seen....so smooth.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Oersted on 02/06/2022 12:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWUv7XXBb2Y

And the fairing halves coming off! - Gorgeous and frankly unbelievable footage. "It's going to space, man!"
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: pb2000 on 02/06/2022 12:30 am
For anyone wondering, this appears to be somewhere around 3x slow motion video.

Edit: could be closer to 2.5x slower than real time based on the press kit timeline, but not 2x.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Vettedrmr on 02/06/2022 12:53 am
I sped it up 2x and it seemed fairly close.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Comga on 02/06/2022 06:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWUv7XXBb2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWUv7XXBb2Y)

And the fairing halves coming off! - Gorgeous and frankly unbelievable footage. "It's going to space, man!"

Good, yes
What’s astounding is that we had an equally good view of fairing release “with the unaided eye” from eastern south Florida
In our favor was the reduced distance and the better angles, the second stage and the fairings being viewed broadside and near the zenith. It was breathtaking to really see the fairing halves’ shapes as they peeled away from the second stage.
Title: Re: SpaceX F9 : CSG-2 : CCSFS SLC-40 : 31 January 2022 (23:11 UTC)
Post by: Jeff Lerner on 02/08/2022 08:30 pm
Better late then never…my wife took this picture from our Boca Raton community ….good view of the S1/S2 staging ….