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gladiator1332
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« on: 08/07/2007 06:17 PM » |
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Just a little project I will continue to update
02/17/09: Added the old GEM Solid configuration. I also noted which of the concepts in the image were never baselined.
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« on: 08/07/2007 06:17 PM » |
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hyper_snyper
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« Reply #1 on: 08/07/2007 06:34 PM » |
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Quick question:
Does the new bullet cover do away with the jettison panels that cover the shrunk SM? From the picture above it looks like the bullet cover extends all the way down to the U/S.
Edit: Come to think of it, that would make for one awkward abort. With some length of BPC extending aft of the CM. Which can also contact the left behind SM.
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rsp1202
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« Reply #2 on: 08/07/2007 06:54 PM » |
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Danny Dot
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« Reply #3 on: 08/07/2007 06:58 PM » |
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Can anyone explain about the fairly late addition of the intertank? I had assumed it was simply the structure between the first and second stage. Now it is appearing as a late addition.
Thanks in advance.
Danny Deger
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RedSky
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« Reply #4 on: 08/07/2007 11:46 PM » |
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hyper_snyper - 7/8/2007 1:34 PM
Edit: Come to think of it, that would make for one awkward abort. Probably similar to how the Russians would perform an abort, since the Soyuz is also completely encapsulated in an aerodynamic launch shroud. I would think it would be more complicated for them as the crew cabin/return craft is in he middle of the three modules, and not top-most as in the Orion CM. l
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yinzer
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« Reply #5 on: 08/08/2007 12:00 AM » |
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The picture above is just an impression. The BPC would no doubt attach at the CM/SM joint, as delivering the abort loads through the same paths as the normal ascent loads is part of the advantage it provides. This attachment would then be severed and the LES jettison motor would fire to separate the SM and the LES/BPC combination. SM encapsulation is independent.
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Jim
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« Reply #6 on: 08/08/2007 12:29 AM » |
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It would attach to the forward apex, just like the previous versions and Apollo. This is also the lifting point and parachute attachment
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zerm
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« Reply #7 on: 08/08/2007 12:55 AM » |
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Could someone ask NASA/ Boeing to stop making changes until I run out of parts for the flying kits... I have a whole bag of the balsa 606 Ares I cones and I need to sell them out before the bullet cone becomes public. Of course, the general public isn't watching that close anyhow.... are they? I guess it'd be pretty cool to have all of the vairations in a flying form anyhow. 
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cpcjr
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« Reply #8 on: 08/08/2007 01:39 AM » |
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gladiator1332 - 7/8/2007 2:17 PM
"Bullet" Boost Cover Ares I:
This is a render of what the latest Ares I version might look like. At a Boeing wind tunnel a new bullet shaped boost cover is being tested, as it will cut down on drag and allow more payload capability for the Ares I. At last, a modification that increases Ares I's capacity rather than reducing Orion’s. It does make it look more like a Soyuz which is OK as long as Orion does not become Soyuz on steroids.
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CFE
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« Reply #9 on: 08/08/2007 02:31 AM » |
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zerm - 7/8/2007 6:55 PM
Could someone ask NASA/ Boeing to stop making changes until I run out of parts for the flying kits... I have a whole bag of the balsa 606 Ares I cones and I need to sell them out before the bullet cone becomes public. Of course, the general public isn't watching that close anyhow.... are they?
I guess it'd be pretty cool to have all of the vairations in a flying form anyhow. One of the first things I thought upon reading the Flight International article was "Now Dr. Zooch has to change his kit again!" I also thought about some of the static model ideas I've had on the drawing boards, and how the new BPC actually makes things easier for me (just reuse an Estes model rocket nose cone.) I have to applaud NASA and Boeing for being clever enough to squeeze over one metric ton more performance out of Ares I. Although I've never liked Ares I, I never thought the idea was impossible. It's smart engineering like the new BPC that will make it fly.
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #10 on: 08/08/2007 02:52 AM » |
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CFE - 7/8/2007 10:31 PM
zerm - 7/8/2007 6:55 PM
Could someone ask NASA/ Boeing to stop making changes until I run out of parts for the flying kits... I have a whole bag of the balsa 606 Ares I cones and I need to sell them out before the bullet cone becomes public. Of course, the general public isn't watching that close anyhow.... are they?
I guess it'd be pretty cool to have all of the vairations in a flying form anyhow.
One of the first things I thought upon reading the Flight International article was "Now Dr. Zooch has to change his kit again!" I also thought about some of the static model ideas I've had on the drawing boards, and how the new BPC actually makes things easier for me (just reuse an Estes model rocket nose cone.)
I have to applaud NASA and Boeing for being clever enough to squeeze over one metric ton more performance out of Ares I. Although I've never liked Ares I, I never thought the idea was impossible. It's smart engineering like the new BPC that will make it fly. Wow, I just remembered I made a "sport-scale" version of Ares I awhile back, now sudden;y it is closer to scale because of the nose cone.
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gladiator1332
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« Reply #12 on: 08/16/2007 04:26 PM » |
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renclod - 8/8/2007 9:38 AM
gladiator1332 - 7/8/2007 9:17 PM 1/ You may be interested to take a look to NASA's own requirement for physical models of proposed launch vehicles (nov.2005) here:
http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/models/vault2006/Ares%20Line%20Drawings%20by%20NASA%20%282005%29.pdf
I especially like the roll control fins :laugh: (see jpg attached)
2/ In the case of the ALAS the part of LAS extending outside the bullet must be shorter; total lenght as with LAS (see my post in
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=493&start=556 )
And this post reminded me to post the version of Ares I that had the mesh interstage. I think this is when they were considering the "fire in the hole" technique for stage separation. I am also considering doing a spin off to Ares I Evolution and post some of the rumors that we have seen since Ares I was selected, everything from Stumpy to Ares IV. Should be fun to see some of those ideas side by side. Also, I should ask, has there been anymore "water-cooler" discussion of some of the other rumored changes to Ares I? Is the bullet boost cover officially baseline? And I know there has been talk of going to 4seg + 2x J-2X. This would kill Ares V and degrade safety a bit, but it is agreed that it would fix some of Ares I's problems.
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luke strawwalker
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« Reply #14 on: 08/17/2007 07:23 AM » |
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zerm - 7/8/2007 7:55 PM
Could someone ask NASA/ Boeing to stop making changes until I run out of parts for the flying kits... I have a whole bag of the balsa 606 Ares I cones and I need to sell them out before the bullet cone becomes public. Of course, the general public isn't watching that close anyhow.... are they?
I guess it'd be pretty cool to have all of the vairations in a flying form anyhow. Ain't that the truth!!! Spent the better part of a day machining out the nose cone for my 1/100 scale Ares I from balsa and trying to get all the angles of the spacecraft adapter, the shorty 606 service module, boost protective cover, and LAS adapter cone on top all machined out right, now they're gonna change it again?? LOL:) Well, I guess I could get a ogive BT-70 cone and attach the LAS to it if they do go to the bullet shroud over the capsule. Thought about doing that to make the 'cargo' Ares I I saw online anyway. Glad I looked up the latest specs before I milled my cone; the figures I had used in the drawings were for the 604 or 605 Orion with the longer SM cover panels. Did a new drawing the night before to 606 specs. At least I don't have kits on the shelf becoming obsolete. How about that ant-scale DIRECT/ Jupiter, are ya gonna come out with one of those?? Later! OL JR 
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