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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #60 on: 07/05/2008 11:33 AM »
It looks like Sea Launch has 2 or 3 empty positions for launch in 2009. Which birds may be launched on these seats? Are there any predictions?

Land Launch has 3 planned launches for 2009 and I think this is the max. number for LL.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #61 on: 07/08/2008 03:45 PM »
It looks like Sea Launch has 2 or 3 empty positions for launch in 2009. Which birds may be launched on these seats? Are there any predictions?

Land Launch has 3 planned launches for 2009 and I think this is the max. number for LL.

One could be the Echostar 14 satellite that is scheduled for launch in the second half of 2009 being deployed to the 119 W.L. DBS slot.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #62 on: 07/11/2008 04:42 PM »
It looks like Sea Launch has 2 or 3 empty positions for launch in 2009. Which birds may be launched on these seats? Are there any predictions?

Land Launch has 3 planned launches for 2009 and I think this is the max. number for LL.
My understanding is that Zenit production is still limited to 6 per year and split between LL and SL.  With this contraint it appears that SL is sold out in 2009 unless they get some hardware reallocated.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #63 on: 07/11/2008 04:54 PM »

My understanding is that Zenit production is still limited to 6 per year and split between LL and SL.  With this contraint it appears that SL is sold out in 2009 unless they get some hardware reallocated.

I have never seen any information that Zenit production is limited to 6 per year. I have heard that SeaLaunch missions are constrained by processing and travel times to 6 or 7 per year, and that is why LandLaunch was developed, to allow for additional launches.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #64 on: 07/11/2008 05:05 PM »
http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/content/z10.07.08.shtml
Десяток украинских "Зенитов" будет летать в космос ежегодно

10-12 Zenit in a few years time

So not that many at the moment?

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #65 on: 07/11/2008 07:51 PM »
I have heard that SeaLaunch missions are constrained by processing and travel times to 6 or 7 per year, and that is why LandLaunch was developed, to allow for additional launches.


Confirmed. Believe very much that production can be ramped significantly. More than other vendors, too.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #66 on: 07/12/2008 12:43 AM »
I have heard that SeaLaunch missions are constrained by processing and travel times to 6 or 7 per year, and that is why LandLaunch was developed, to allow for additional launches.


Confirmed. Believe very much that production can be ramped significantly. More than other vendors, too.
Unfortunately SL ramped up sales of SL & LL faster than production could support and then got into ugly fight with LL over hardware allocations.  Many frakked off customers.  They have yet to demonstrate a significately higher production rate and problems still exist.  Maybe in a couple of years this may improve as discussed in the article

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #67 on: 07/12/2008 07:58 AM »
MSV-2 launch will occur in third quarter of 2010.

Source: http://www.msvlp.com/media/press-releases-view.cfm?id=175&yr=2008

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #68 on: 07/12/2008 02:39 PM »

Unfortunately SL ramped up sales of SL & LL faster than production could support and then got into ugly fight with LL over hardware allocations.  Many frakked off customers.  They have yet to demonstrate a significately higher production rate and problems still exist.  Maybe in a couple of years this may improve as discussed in the article

Given that the time from signing a launch contract to actual launch is generally at least two years, and given that in no recent year has SeaLaunch + Land Launch come even close to 6 or 7 launches, the paragraph above makes no sense. Moreover, until recently, Yuzhnoye had extra Zenits lying around with no customers.



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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #69 on: 07/12/2008 02:40 PM »
On the other hand, what could happen is that two customers could want launch in the same month, and that could cause allocation problems.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #70 on: 07/12/2008 02:46 PM »
On the other hand, what could happen is that two customers could want launch in the same month, and that could cause allocation problems.
That is a problem, which can occur with all other launch providers too.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #71 on: 07/12/2008 05:28 PM »

Unfortunately SL ramped up sales of SL & LL faster than production could support and then got into ugly fight with LL over hardware allocations.  Many frakked off customers.  They have yet to demonstrate a significately higher production rate and problems still exist.  Maybe in a couple of years this may improve as discussed in the article

Given that the time from signing a launch contract to actual launch is generally at least two years, and given that in no recent year has SeaLaunch + Land Launch come even close to 6 or 7 launches, the paragraph above makes no sense. Moreover, until recently, Yuzhnoye had extra Zenits lying around with no customers.

The basis of my statement is that prior to the NSS-8 SL failure they had oversold 6 or more SL & LL missions without any hardware.  They were notifying SL & LL customers prior to the NSS-8 failure of the production problems and significant launch delays for these missions.  Obviously having SL grounded for a year due to the NSS-8 failure and losing a couple of customers "helped" the near term production problem.  My understanding is that increasing the production from the historical 3-4 launch rate to 6-7 is reasonable, going to 10-11 is another story.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #72 on: 07/12/2008 08:47 PM »
Afternoon all,

Land Launch utilised a Zenit-2SB60 rocket.

But I stumbled upon references to a 2SB40 and 2SB80. Anyone know what they are for?

Stan

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #73 on: 07/13/2008 08:38 AM »
Land Launch utilised a Zenit-2SB60 rocket. But I stumbled upon references to a 2SB40 and 2SB80. Anyone know what they are for?

Zenit-2SB60 is two-stage rocket for Zenit-3SLB three-stage rocket with DM-SLB upper stage. Zenit-2SB40 is two-stage rocket for Zenit-3SLBF three-stage rocket with Fregat-SB upper stage. I did not see Zenit-2SB80 nowhere.

2008
Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
July 16 Echostar 11 3SL SL 05:21
August 21 Measat-3A 3SLB LL
September Galaxy 19 3SL SL
4Q (TBD) Telstar 11N 3SLB LL (or 2009)

2009
Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
February Eutelsat W2A 3SL SL
2Q Asiasat 5 3SLB LL
2Q Intelsat 15 3SLB LL
3Q Eutelsat W7 3SL SL
3Q AMC 1R 3SLB LL
TBD XM 5 3SL SL

2010
Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
1Q Intelsat 16 3SLB LL
3Q MSV 2 3SL SL

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #74 on: 07/13/2008 07:26 PM »
Land Launch utilised a Zenit-2SB60 rocket. But I stumbled upon references to a 2SB40 and 2SB80. Anyone know what they are for?

Zenit-2SB60 is two-stage rocket for Zenit-3SLB three-stage rocket with DM-SLB upper stage. Zenit-2SB40 is two-stage rocket for Zenit-3SLBF three-stage rocket with Fregat-SB upper stage. I did not see Zenit-2SB80 nowhere.

2008
Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
July 16 Echostar 11 3SL SL 05:21
August 21 Measat-3A 3SLB LL
September Galaxy 19 3SL SL
4Q (TBD) Telstar 11N 3SLB LL (or 2009)

2009
Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
February Eutelsat W2A 3SL SL
2Q Asiasat 5 3SLB LL
2Q Intelsat 15 3SLB LL
3Q Eutelsat W7 3SL SL
3Q AMC 1R 3SLB LL
TBD XM 5 3SL SL

2010
Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
1Q Intelsat 16 3SLB LL
3Q MSV 2 3SL SL

As always Anik you have the answer!

Only found references to 2SB80 with ukrainian spelling of Zenit.

Does raise question about production volumes if they are not using one common Zenit core.

Stan

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #75 on: 07/18/2008 03:06 PM »
In 2007 the contract for launch in 2008 Sicral-1B satellite was signed by Sea Launch as this mission is not compatible with Ariane-5 double launch capabilities in some points. Is it still valid in Zenit manifest?

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #76 on: 07/21/2008 03:45 PM »
In 2007 the contract for launch in 2008 Sicral-1B satellite was signed by Sea Launch as this mission is not compatible with Ariane-5 double launch capabilities in some points. Is it still valid in Zenit manifest?

In the July 14th print edition of SpaceNews, there is an overview on the Sea Launch situation after the replacement of Rob Peckham by former CFO Kjell Karlsen. According to this, Sea Launch plans two more launches in 2008, putting "Galaxy 19" and "Sicral 1B" into orbit. Next year, only two Sea Launch misions are planned due to supply-chain issues and the planned overhaul of the commander ship, which takes two months.

Concerning Land Launch, two more missions are plannes in 2008 and three in 2009. The article does not state individual payload assignments.

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #77 on: 08/04/2008 10:02 AM »
Accordding to http://msdb.honeywell-tsi.com/launches.asp

February launch with Eutelsat W2A is moved to January 2009.

SL-38 mission is shown in July 2009. Probably Eutelsat W7 will be launched on that mission.

2008

Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
August 21 Measat-3A 3SLB LL 22:44
September Galaxy 19 3SL SL
4Q - Sicral 1B - 3SL - SL
4Q (TBD) Telstar 11N 3SLB LL (or 2009)


2009

Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
January Eutelsat W2A 3SL SL
2Q Asiasat 5 3SLB LL
2Q Intelsat 15 3SLB LL
July Eutelsat W7 3SL SL
3Q AMC 1R 3SLB LL
TBD XM 5 3SL SL

2010
Date Satellite(s) Zenit type Organization Time (UTC)
1Q Intelsat 16 3SLB LL
3Q MSV 2 3SL SL

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #78 on: 08/05/2008 04:48 PM »
It looks like Sea Launch has 2 or 3 empty positions for launch in 2009. Which birds may be launched on these seats? Are there any predictions?

Land Launch has 3 planned launches for 2009 and I think this is the max. number for LL.

Directv 12 has been confirmed by the company as being planned for launch in "late 2009" but no launch provider has yet been publicly announced.  It is a virtual triplet of D10 (launched by a Proton M/Briz M in summer 2007) and D11 (launched by Sea-Launch this past March).  Given that Protons appear to be pretty busy for the next year or so and Sea-Launch may have some slots available, I'd suspect that D12 is at least a candidate for whatever openings Sea-Launch may have or be able to create in their schedule.

EDITED TO ADD:  I have also found out that at the time Directv contracted with Sea-Launch in 2005 to launch what turned out to be Directv 11, the contract had an option for a second launch.  I suspect this will be invoked for D12 but have not seen that confirmed.
« Last Edit: 08/07/2008 06:53 PM by Herb Schaltegger »

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Re: Sea/Land Launch schedule
« Reply #79 on: 08/07/2008 09:57 AM »
Galaxy-19 tentative launch date is September 16.

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