Jim - 4/2/2007 9:28 AMQuotewingod - 3/2/2007 11:53 PMlafI guess that is why Pete Worden's former deputy is the head of technology at NRO now.I guess that is why Pete is the head of the independent review team of Orbital Express.Funny how that works.Not Pete but his deputy. Pete never has a similar roleHeads of Review teams are just that figure heads not the hands on workers. It is the same as a celebrity endorsement. He is also a NASA center director, he doesn't have the time to do real work
wingod - 3/2/2007 11:53 PMlafI guess that is why Pete Worden's former deputy is the head of technology at NRO now.I guess that is why Pete is the head of the independent review team of Orbital Express.Funny how that works.
publiusr - 7/2/2007 2:18 PMPete also seems more accepting of Ares V BTW, or so we hope.
publiusr - 7/2/2007 2:18 PM That's why mil-space needs its own Admiral Rickover--its own Billy Mitchell. Peter Worden was to be that man. But he has the Army, Navy, and the Air Force to fight against.
publiusr - 7/2/2007 2:18 PM1. Look, big space-based assets (EELV launched or no, as I've stated above) are like carriers. Before Billy Mitchell, there was "no need," "no demand," "no money" for aircraft carriers. All the usual claims made by entrenched, brass-heavy dullards. It's not that the NAVY hated air power--they loved it....2. Space is thought of similarly today. Do your spy-sat photos, don't ask for anything---and go back in the closet. That's why mil-space needs its own Admiral Rickover--its own Billy Mitchell. Peter Worden was to be that man. But he has the Army, Navy, and the Air Force to fight against.3. -like a Space Based Laser launched by Ares V could do.4. And that's why Pete Worden was unable to get much done--when folks his age or younger wore more stars. Them's the facts.
publiusr - 7/2/2007 2:18 PM Notice how Jim breezed right on past his claim about space based radar not being for ground targets. For someone so familiar with NRO, how did that mistake get past him?
publiusr - 7/2/2007 5:48 PMSo not everybody believes in EELV as the only LV we will need. Just like the AF uses C-5s-- and not just CessenasMike Griffin has written much on the subject of Heavy Lift, and I find him credible.http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/neep533/FALL2001/lecture29.pdf
publiusr - 7/2/2007 5:48 PMMike Griffin has written much on the subject of Heavy Lift, and I find him credible.http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/neep533/FALL2001/lecture29.pdf
publiusr - 10/2/2007 12:42 PMMy point is that I am not the only one who thinks that the proper man with the proper vision can find all sorts of payloads for HLLVs--which is what this thread is about. Airplanes get bigger. Diesel locomotives, ships. But suggest that we have something more than 20 tons to orbit--and watch the fangs come out.
publiusr - 10/2/2007 1:19 PM2.) Culture. NRO/Air Force men don't die, they just join the Aerospace Corp or Futron retirement homes and talk about how craft really don't need to be much bigger than Corona, and grouse. Some are proud of large LVs. I seem to remember a story about the Titan IV and big assets like Lacrosse, Milstar, and what have you.I
publiusr - 10/2/2007 1:19 PMSome tried to say that Energiya broke their budget. But remember, the RD-170 became a good seller, and Energiyas children have brought in money. The 20 billion dollar Baikal Amur Mainline, and the work to convert the entire length of the Tran-Siberian railway to electricity (completed in 2002 after 74 years of work) was what bankrupted the Soviets.That and a costly war--more expensive than any space-shot--that involved fighting Muslims during a stupid war of occupation.Sound familiar?
publiusr - 10/2/2007 1:54 PMNow comparing a railway to rockets my definition of warped thinking. BAM was made due to concerns over China, and it actually works at least. It siphoned money away from spaceflight. A better analogy would be to compare BAM with Space Elevators. But we know the former actually works.I compare Delta IV with your idea of what a flight engineer is.Something that sits around all year and does little or anything.
publiusr - 10/2/2007 3:06 PMBut you are including all D-IV missions, not the D-IV 'heavy' missions in the same payload class as STS. D-IV 'heavy' should be compared with STS.The whole D-IV family hardly compares with Atlas V in any respect.And Ares V won't have that orbiter slowing things down.
ShuttleDiscovery - 17/2/2007 11:09 AMIs it possible to launch an Ares V with an enlarged payload fairing like the ones shown below for a large space station or payload?Thanks