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Offline rayleighscatter

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Very very basic question, common sense wise, why get away from the Saturn V design for a rocket going to the moon ?, the blueprints for man's greatest machine surely still exist. The shuttle design booster seems to troublesome, from foam to O rings etc. I suppose I will answer my own question, tooling perhaps ?

Saturn V had a lot of issues and to iron them all out would require an update, essentially, of every piece. And we have a case study on that with J2-X.

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Also, weren't the blueprints for it lost in the 70s?

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Very very basic question, common sense wise, why get away from the Saturn V design for a rocket going to the moon ?, the blueprints for man's greatest machine surely still exist. The shuttle design booster seems to troublesome, from foam to O rings etc. I suppose I will answer my own question, tooling perhaps ?

Saturn V had a lot of issues and to iron them all out would require an update, essentially, of every piece. And we have a case study on that with J2-X.

J-2x had so many changes in part because of the different architecture. For instance,throttling requirements were set so as not to impart too much force on the docking adapter between Orion and Altair in the "1.5 launch" Constellation architecture. If all you wanted to do was build another Saturn V, you wouldn't need to make such changes. You wouldn't need higher isp, nozzle extensions or anything like that.

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Also, weren't the blueprints for it lost in the 70s?

No. NASA still has them. You can buy some of them here:

http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/catalog/drawndoc.htm

Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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It's a many order problem. NASA may have the blueprints, but not the tooling, processes, and skills. To make the tooling may in turn need other tooling that don't exist. That may have been made by a subcontractor that doesn't exist, so any documentation is gone. Using skills that are no longer used in modern manufacturing, so largely don't exist. And you have to do that for all ~3 million parts....

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AIUI, tooling for large projects is usually stored for a certain period of time, and then scrapped when the decision is made that the product will never again be produced.

It's mainly a matter of paying for properly environmentally-controlled storage space.  There is nothing to stop NASA or a contractor from storing the tooling for a major rocket or spacecraft system indefinitely, except for the expense.

As for blueprints, same thing applies.  And storage for the blueprints is rather less of an expense.  I don't imagine any of the blueprints from the Apollo era and on, for launch vehicles or spacecraft, have been lost.  They are useful for historical reasons, if nothing else.
-Doug  (With my shield, not yet upon it)

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TPS application featured in this update video:

Preparing America for Deep Space Episode 18 On The Move

NASA Johnson
Published on Aug 31, 2018

Big progress continues to be made in 2018 for NASA’s Orion, Space Launch System (SLS), and Exploration Ground Systems (EGS) programs. Teams across America and in Europe are developing and building the spacecraft, rocket, and infrastructure necessary to send humans to deep space destinations including the Moon and beyond. Some major milestones include: Orion – Orion tank integration, Engine Gimbal System Test, and Solar Wing Test in Bremen, Germany, Structural Test Article Testing in Littleton, CO, and Exploration Mission-3 Machining in Fountain Valley, CA and Brea, CA. SLS – Application of thermal protection to Launch Vehicle Stage Adapter, Intertank Structural test article lifted to test stand at Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC), Orion stage adapter loaded onto Super Guppy at MSFC and shipped to Kennedy Space Center (KSC). LOX Flight Hardware move to Area 6 at Michoud Assembly Facility and LH2 Structural Test Article move for thermal protection system processing at MAF. EGS – Flame Deflector Installation at Pad 39B (KSC), Crawler-Transporter 2 move to Pad 39B, Crawler lifts the Mobile Launcher, Water Deluge Test at Pad 39B.
For HD copy: https://archive.org/details/ jsc2018m000717_PreparingAmericaforDeepSpaceEpisode18_On The Move_MXF.mxf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezhKIPfEZII?t=001

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