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Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« on: 12/01/2017 05:17 PM »
Yahoo Groups are down or degraded for the past week or more, according to some reports.  I don't use Groups much any more, but I once did and many still depend on them.  This reminds me to fiercely appreciate what Chris has provided. 

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Re: Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« Reply #1 on: 12/01/2017 10:13 PM »
This sort of thing is why I take such an obsessive approach to archival and note-taking. Websites just aren't reliable. NTRS already lost a bunch of stuff in that China thing, "sensitive" stuff have been taken down from reddit and twitter and such before, many corporate/government websites are dead or reorganized, plus loads of stuff just sitting on random 90s-era sites that get 5 visits a year and could go offline at any moment, or on "internal" project websites that could go down as soon as they realize its publicly accessible or as soon as the project ends. At best, you might have a handful of users who may have a fraction of a percent of the content from a given site saved, probably none of which will make an effort at restoring its accessibility. Yes, keeping terabytes of storage on hand is kinda pricey, but I can't trust other users to do this, and places like Archive.org don't get everything (certainly not paywalled content). Sucks to say, but in 20 years, I'd be surprised if this site still exists, and I've no intention of losing that resource

Plus its more searchable that way anyway. I can find, in <5 clicks, pretty much anything even out of tens of thousands of documents and images (though it is quite time consuming to sort everything initially). Google isn't that good, not for very specific searches in very niche topics, and site-specific searches are usually worse

It'd be neat if there was something like bittorrent but for hosting entire websites, it'd be almost impossible for a site to go down permanently if its "seeded" by thousands of volunteers. Plus your hosting costs disappear

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Re: Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« Reply #2 on: 12/01/2017 11:20 PM »
Yahoo Groups are down or degraded for the past week or more, according to some reports.  I don't use Groups much any more, but I once did and many still depend on them.  This reminds me to fiercely appreciate what Chris has provided. 

Don't take it for granted!  Anything on the Internet - including massive two decade-old collections of photos, files, and discussions covering thousands upon thousands of topics, can vanish in an instant.

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Ed, Your so right.  Anything I see or post on NSF that came from YouTube (or some other media site) that I like to keep I also download and store my multiple sets of HD backups.  You can call me "obsessive backupus"
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Re: Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« Reply #3 on: 12/02/2017 12:54 AM »
This sort of thing is why I take such an obsessive approach to archival and note-taking. Websites just aren't reliable. NTRS already lost a bunch of stuff in that China thing, "sensitive" stuff have been taken down from reddit and twitter and such before, many corporate/government websites are dead or reorganized, plus loads of stuff just sitting on random 90s-era sites that get 5 visits a year and could go offline at any moment, or on "internal" project websites that could go down as soon as they realize its publicly accessible or as soon as the project ends. At best, you might have a handful of users who may have a fraction of a percent of the content from a given site saved, probably none of which will make an effort at restoring its accessibility. Yes, keeping terabytes of storage on hand is kinda pricey, but I can't trust other users to do this, and places like Archive.org don't get everything (certainly not paywalled content). Sucks to say, but in 20 years, I'd be surprised if this site still exists, and I've no intention of losing that resource

Plus its more searchable that way anyway. I can find, in <5 clicks, pretty much anything even out of tens of thousands of documents and images (though it is quite time consuming to sort everything initially). Google isn't that good, not for very specific searches in very niche topics, and site-specific searches are usually worse

It'd be neat if there was something like bittorrent but for hosting entire websites, it'd be almost impossible for a site to go down permanently if its "seeded" by thousands of volunteers. Plus your hosting costs disappear

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Re: Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« Reply #4 on: 12/04/2017 02:08 PM »
Burn Photobucket, burn. Burn in hell. 

The Internet archive is an amazing resource for dead websites.

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This sort of thing is why I take such an obsessive approach to archival and note-taking.

Everything I collected over the last decade is stored in my portable HD, with copies in my current computer, in an old USB drive, in my old SD card, in my former computer PC tower, and finally, in my mom computer 100 miles away.

Even if a nuke or an asteroid strike my town, my data will survive (hopefully).  :o   (except an EMP pulse...)
« Last Edit: 12/04/2017 02:14 PM by Archibald »

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Re: Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« Reply #5 on: 12/05/2017 04:43 AM »
Burn Photobucket, burn. Burn in hell. 

The Internet archive is an amazing resource for dead websites.

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This sort of thing is why I take such an obsessive approach to archival and note-taking.

Everything I collected over the last decade is stored in my portable HD, with copies in my current computer, in an old USB drive, in my old SD card, in my former computer PC tower, and finally, in my mom computer 100 miles away.

Even if a nuke or an asteroid strike my town, my data will survive (hopefully).  :o   (except an EMP pulse...)


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Re: Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« Reply #6 on: 12/06/2017 04:39 AM »
You could just support The Way Back Machine.
https://archive.org/web/

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Re: Yahoo Groups, Etc.
« Reply #7 on: 12/06/2017 09:18 AM »
You could just support The Way Back Machine.
https://archive.org/web/
The issue there is that it doesn't archive stuff behind paywalls all that well...
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